Who's to Blame for the Obesity Epidemic?
Obesity: Personal Responsibility vs. Systemic Influence
The Weight Debate: Health, Society, and Responsibility
Unpacking the Obesity Crisis: Blame, Solutions, and Controversies
Food, Politics, and Health: Navigating the Obesity Epidemic
Welcome to this episode of Deliberating Dog Face Dudes, where we dive into the complex and controversial topic of personal responsibility in maintaining a healthy weight amidst the obesity epidemic. We begin by reminiscing about past political controversies over food choices, like Barack Obama's arugula moment, and move into more recent debates such as Mike Bloomberg's attempt to regulate soda sizes in New York City. This sets the stage for a broader discussion on who or what is responsible for the obesity crisis: individuals, the food industry, or environmental factors.
Our conversation explores the multifaceted nature of weight management, touching on the roles of gut health, genetics, and the marketing strategies of the food industry. We discuss how antibiotics and other factors beyond our control can influence weight gain, and the societal pressures that shape our perceptions of beauty and health. The debate heats up as we consider the impact of the federal government, the pharmaceutical industry, and the food industry's influence on public health.
We delve into the historical context of dietary guidelines, the role of sugar, and the controversial food pyramid, questioning the motivations behind these public health messages. The conversation also touches on the cultural shifts in body image and the rise of the fat acceptance movement, examining how these trends intersect with the obesity epidemic.
Throughout the episode, we challenge each other to consider the balance between personal responsibility and systemic influences, questioning how individuals can navigate a landscape filled with misinformation and unhealthy options. We also explore potential solutions, from entrepreneurial ventures to community-based approaches, and the role of education in empowering individuals to make healthier choices.
Join us for a lively and thought-provoking debate as we tackle the question: Who's at fault for the obesity epidemic, and how can we address this pressing health issue?
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Unknown:
You win. 34, 321, fight.
[00:00:54] Unknown:
Welcome to this episode of deliberating dog face dudes. Remember when Barack Obama got demolished for mentioning arugula that one time? Even normalizing a tasty salad green was too much for political commentators, and that was back in 2007. Nobody seems to be talking salad greens since. Too politically risky, boring, and I don't know what I believe anymore. In preparation for this topic, I read that Mike Bloomberg tried stopping the sale of super ultra sized sodas in New York City, and then Coca Cola gave the n a NAACP, the n, double a, c p. Is that how we say that?
And the Hispanic Federation a couple of $1,000,000 to lead public opposition to it as an unjustifiable unjustifiable attack on the black and brown communities who rely on sugary drinks for their daily calories. Tonight, we will address a current and complex topic, personal responsibility in maintaining a healthy weight. The obesity epidemic is a very current problem, modern problem, that affects every man, woman, and child, and the debate surrounding it are mind boggling. Who or what is really responsible for this crisis? Maybe it's the individual, the food industry, or the environment including against mankind so that we all get buried and return to the soil.
We will examine these arguments and many others, so fasten your seat belts if you can fit in an airplane seat for reflections at altitude on how sexy celebrities are more important than the intention you pay to your doctor when you decide to talk about weight loss medications. We hear phrases like eat less, move more, but the reality is much more complex. Recent research has shown that factors such as gut health, genetics, and even the marketing strategies of the food industry play an important role in in our relationship with weight. For example, did you know that some antibiotics can lead to weight gain? This is not just a phenomenon observed in animals as it has also been observed in human animals.
This is a reminder that our bodies are influenced by many factors, most of which are beyond our direct control. Mankind is helpless in his modern day food oasis. Examples of excuses include, I'm on a new seafood diet. I see food, and I eat it. I'm in shape. Round is my shape. I won't sweat. I'll sparkle under pressure. In addressing this discussion, let's be open to dialogue and listen to both sides. We will examine the different influences on our health from social pressures and environmental factors to the emotional aspects of weight management. It is important to approach this topic with empathy and understanding, recognizing that each person's journey is unique.
We will explore the complexities of personal responsibility in the context of obesity and inspire a more nuanced conversation about health and well-being. Let's prepare to dive into our exciting debate topic tonight. Who's at fault for all this fat, and how can we take advantage of this obesity opportunity? Gentlemen, what say you?
[00:04:12] Unknown:
I don't recall that last part being part of the debate prop, but how do we take advantage? I'm not sure where that came from. I'm not prepared for this part. Well, I I guess I I don't know. If Ben Ben, if you don't have, an opening statement for you guys' side, I guess I'll I'll start. But if you do go Oh, definitely. We got a I've got an opening statement. I don't know if that I assume that Marcus has one also that was just like the show opener. And he would be starting so that way he could cut it off and clip it for the pod for, you know, the the pod amps and such.
So, yeah, you definitely go ahead and speak, and then I don't know if one of us wants to do an opening and then John and then one of us again.
[00:05:00] Unknown:
That's the debate format, gentlemen.
[00:05:03] Unknown:
So, so I'm I'm I'm side and then our side. Yeah. I'm I'm gonna concede upfront
[00:05:11] Unknown:
that, the individuals have the opportunity to take control of their health. It's a it's an uphill road, and it's something that the vast majority of Americans lack the education, the resources, the time, and the knowledge, how to do. I guess that's redundant because I said education. But having conceded that, there has been a 75 year ongoing war on our gut biome, on our overall health, and it is something that has been levied against the population. The best way that you could find a a corollary, is a war, an ongoing war, on our overall health, the physical, mental, spiritual, and that this is a deliberate attack that has allowed for a much more malleable, much more controllable population, a much more sedentary population to where even if people wanted to, you know, do civil war 2 point o and say if the selection doesn't go their way, they they're going to be less inclined to do that because their brains and their guts have been so loaded down with poison. This is something that started in earnest post World War 2 and has carried on, at increasing levels with increasing different products, Bernesian marketing, allopathic Rockefeller medicine, and poor schooling the entire way. It's not that we're necessarily, you know, all walking victims.
It's that everyone and every institution that we have been traditionally taught to look to for advice on this has been wildly informed, uninformed, bought off, paid for, and incentivized to extort these weapons, of effectively literally mass destruction, against us. I have a number of different things that I am eager to get into to support this claim, but if for the, time being, I I'll yield any of the rest of the time that would have been available for the opening statement. Happy to get into this.
[00:07:46] Unknown:
Go ahead, John. Let's do let's do your side and then our side.
[00:07:51] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I can't put it any more eloquently than Steve just did and has been let you guys know in the the early show. I'm not really prepared with data and all of that. But as a fat man who, has struggled with weight and, has tried to lose it, it gets harder and harder the older I get. And I've come to realize that this is silent weapons for quiet wars. This is the root of it. This combined with medicine. Right? Wasn't it someone who said let the let the medicine be thy food? Well, the food is poisoned, and it's the medicine is there to solve the the symptoms of the poisoning.
You know, Steve tied it into the end of World War 2. I have done a lot of research into hemp and how they made hemp illegal. And, you know, then they subsidized corn, and then we end up with, you know, the, high fructose corn syrup in basically 90% of the products in the store. And another point I wanted to bring up is that, you know, in the seventies when they started, noticing this, epidemic of obesity, which was cross genders, cross ethnicities, The solutions were already set up to come in with the artificial sweeteners and, you know, kind of the government's talking about it, but then someone in the background is giving us more misinformation, more disinformation, more false solutions, which even led to more health issues. So, definitely glad to be here with Steve, who I know is a wealth of information on, like, actual data and facts.
But, I do believe in individual, responsibility ultimately, but we're born into this. It's a drug that we're given from the time we're born, and we're addicted to it, and we don't know how to break free.
[00:10:09] Unknown:
Today, we we debate the obesity epidemic in the United States. Not that it exists with a staggering 42% of adults currently displaying obesity and 20% of children, but what is the root cause of of this? Looking at weight, there are 3 main factors. The amounts of food consumed, the quality of food consumed, and the activity of the person. The American lifestyle style of going fast and consuming convenience fast food is the first driving factor and coupled with the sedentary lifestyle has led to the shocking numbers of obese Americans we see today. Part of this lifestyle change was driven by workforce change.
As manual labor and manufacturing were shipped overseas, in 1990, adult obesity made up 11.6 percent of the population. 30 years later, at 42%, it has risen more than 1% per year. In this same time frame, see we see many cultural shifts dealing with the changing body image of a culture that simultaneously does less movement and consumes degrading quality of sugar laden foods. The fat acceptance movement took root, and rather than counter these changes with healthy changes, we insist we insist on glorifying BBW, big beautiful women, and dad bod's.
According to the CDC, 1 in 4 adults sits for more than 8 hours a day, and the average teenager spends 9 hours a day in front of a screen sitting. For the parents who gave up home time and responsibilities to have a life, screen time becomes an easy an easy babysitter setting the trend for a lifestyle of sitting and watching. The trend started in the 19 nineties and have at having a few after school programs to babysit the latchkey kids in the couple of hours until the parents got home to all day Disney and cartoons. This need to shirk parental responsibility and have the children out of their hair, but not causing trouble, married perfectly with the rise in screen time, style entertainment.
All of this lack of activity has somehow worn the American public out. So to reenergize from not moving, we see the rise of energy drinks primarily containing toxic amounts of sugar and natural uppers. Similar to a car, your body burns fuel according to the workload. Just running burns a certain amount of fuel and for a human that is sugars. The harder you work, the more you burn. So the lack of energy is not lack of fuel, and adding more fuel to a sedentary lifestyle, it only has one place to go. Americans in both the food and and the food they eat and drink they and the and the food and drink they consume and the amount of activity performed choose every day the path to obesity.
Rather than correcting course and switching to a more healthy lifestyle, Americans choose the emperor wears no clothes path and will insist fat is beautiful, plus size is normal and healthy and healthy, and that there is something mean and evil for you to say otherwise. Americans refuse to make the healthy changes they know will lead to a healthy body. Instead, you must just adjust your perception of reality.
[00:14:16] Unknown:
So my intro is a little bit shorter here. Basically, talking from my personal experience as a lifelong thin man. So I will concede that it is difficult in this current modern climate with, you know, frankenfood ingredients, GMOs, and all of that, but it's not impossible. There still exists access to farmers markets, fruits and vegetables, this type of thing. So I argue that we cannot give up and accept, you know, obesity in quotes, whatever obesity means. Is that definition even set in stone at this point? Is it based off of, you know, the BMI, the body mass index? Is that going to change definitions as we've seen with other, so called diseases or pandemics, and they are calling this an epidemic.
So who do I blame for this epidemic? You know, I blame the individual, this idea that man is an island and man is separate from everyone else. The individual is separate and stands apart from the crowd. If the crowd is all going to fast food places, it's difficult for one man to make healthy decisions, to say no to, you know, high carb, pizza dinners and frozen foods and this type of thing. Just just say no. There there is a sizable portion of the population that is into fitness and training and going to the gym. So it might just be a larger segregation, and there's this aspect of a filtering process where, you know, maybe the strong are getting stronger, the healthier are getting healthier.
And then due to unknown circumstances, which will probably present in the argument tonight, there are factors that are attributing to certain people in the population who are suffering worse than others. Are they to be held personally responsible? Yes. Are they to be treated as equal as an adult to say that they are capable of taking personal responsibility? No. But because there's parts of the population that seems to not have personal responsibility and exercise self control, I don't wanna see overstep and overreach in reducing the freedoms of other people who are on good behavior, who do eat well, and occasionally like to have a little bit of a snack.
That's my point.
[00:16:54] Unknown:
Yeah. So so let's let's let's get into some of this. And in order to understand how we got fat as a nation, it's vitally important to understand the role that the federal government has played into this along with some of the more notorious figures throughout history. Least of which, are are John d Rockefeller and what we all recognize as the allopathic model of medicine. When you go to become a doctor, there are 2 things that you spend your entire medical school career on less than everything else. 1 is nutrition. The other is possible adverse effects from vaccines. These are just not discussed at all in medical school. The average med school student spends less than 20 minutes of their entire educational career on nutrition.
So you, me, John, Ben, we know more about nutrition than the average doctor because we've looked into it ourselves, and we've done that research. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans take their kids to a pediatrician where the pediatrician gives them the little pliers test and figures out if they're pudgy or not, determines their, you know, body mass index, this, that, and the 3rd. And then prescribes them varying different medications or a food pyramid schedule that is one of the most nefarious con jobs on a population in history.
The miseducation of the vast majority of the country. And, again, I am I'm gonna concede upfront that there are outliers to this. There are fitness enthusiasts. There are people who go out of their way to try to live a healthy clean lifestyle. But unfortunately, this is an outlier in the overall population because the overall population is effectively subjugated into what amounts to a 60 hour work week where you have very, very little time in your own life to unless you've made a conscious decision to separate yourself from what is considered normal, prepare and cook healthy meals.
The these are de facto outliers for the general population. So the general population since early 19 fifties, but it really started exploding in the 19 sixties and going forward, have been, mass marketed and had forced upon them heavily processed foods, foods that effectively strip healthy fats from them. It's not that fats are bad for you. It's not that meats are bad for you. It's that we have a bastardized food pyramid that is taught in every single school, in every single elementary school. Here's what you need to do. You need 6 to 11,
[00:20:14] Unknown:
units of grains, of bread. Is that still taught in school? I I 100%. Legitimately die. I don't know because I'm down to grandkids. My grandkids are almost in high school now, so I'm not even sure anymore.
[00:20:28] Unknown:
Yeah. So when when my youngest before we got them the fuck out of public school, when my youngest was in public school for a couple of years, they were still teaching the food pyramid. As as fact. And we can get into the history on that, and I'd be happy to do it. But I'm just trying to make a couple of quick points upfront, and then, you know, hopefully, we can have a conversation going forward. So we have been not just mass marketed to, but effectively brainwashed. And then because of the way that has been pointed out, the labor force has shifted over the last 60, 70 years from a significantly less agrarian to a significantly more industrial workforce where people are spending far too much time seated in front of their, you know, in front of their computers or at a cubicle or whatever.
That has resulted in a, you know, a significantly more sedentary population. I would also argue that that is intentional. Let me pull up my notes here real quick so that I can rebut and or refute a couple of these points. Come here. Come here. Oh, so I did we both Ben and Marcus highlighted Sugar. And Sugar is a an international conspiracy that I am, again, more than happy to get into as we further flesh out this conversation. But that is not sugar intake in and of itself is not what is making Americans obese and making them incapable of losing the weight. There are a ton of fat people that go to the gym, that work out, that eat healthy, that proportionally and this is consistent almost across the board. There is very little difference in the actual day to day intake of food between a morbidly obese person and a healthy active fit individual.
The problem is that your body's hormones are what regulate your ability to process or and or store fat. And there is zero education that takes place around this. The, insulin in and of itself is one of the body's most important hormones. And the only time you ever hear it addressed is after the fact when somebody has been diagnosed with diabetes. There are a whole bunch of chemical compounds that make up insulin just like there are a whole bunch, of chemical compounds that make up the other couple of chemicals that regulate whether or not you're able to store fat or process it. There is zero education about this in any American institution outside of quote, unquote, fringe holistic medicine in institutes.
The the fact that this has been kept from the public at large, that you only once a decade get a 60 minutes report on it or something like that in the mainstream media. And it was the mainstream media itself, New York Times in 2011, that came out with a report saying hormone regulation is critical to whether or not you're fat. That is something that gets so swept under the rug. And again, I maintain that, yes, wow, individuals can make a choice to eat better, to exercise more, to dedicate their life to fitness, if they're missing the critical component from their, you know, from their health journey, they're never going to lose the weight. There are people who work out 3, 4, 5 times a week that are in the gym that are just as fat now, maybe £20 less.
Maybe. But if you're morbidly obese, that's not gonna help you any. Yeah. Because they haven't been taught that hormone regulation and your hormones being out of balance are the critical component to your eventual weight loss. And I do maintain that this is a deliberate thing. I do maintain that multiple industries thrive on unhealthy Americans, not just the highly federally subsidized farmers, not just the highly federally subsidized ranchers, but the pharmaceutical industry along with a number of the mega corporations who are in fact just kind of 1 mega corporation that when you break it all down and see who's part of who's board and this, that, and the third, that, would prefer us to be unhealthy, prefer us to be prone to depression, prefer us to be dependent on more and more products from all of these same companies.
[00:25:40] Unknown:
Stelly ovation.
[00:25:43] Unknown:
What Steve said.
[00:25:46] Unknown:
Yeah. I know. Steve's gonna have to learn Steve's gonna have to learn time slots.
[00:25:51] Unknown:
I mean I just wanna say I just wanna add a little something on on top of Steve, because, I mean, again, he's covering everything. But, you know, the process of waking up, I mean, we're born into this world where it's just total illusion fed to us all the time, 247. And, you know, you you as you wake up, a lot of people do wake up through looking at health, and they start discovering all of these things that Steve's talking about. And that kinda leads them to this ultimate conspiracy that's going on, which is to dumb us down, weaken us, make us, you know, just more prepared to go to the slaughter, or just do nothing.
If you add in the the entertainment industry on top of that, it it definitely is coming at us all at once, you know, and it it all seems to be connected that they all all of these, psyops are meant to, attack us and and keep us weak and keep us unable to fight back. So, to try to wake people up, I mean, for me, it's like, yeah. I'm waking up and I'm spiritually awakened and I understand. I kinda see what's going on. But to actually take that next step, to have that self discipline, again, I agree it's all on it is all on the individual, and I think that's the truly the way that we win. But if government is gonna function in a way that can improve it, then, they could start, you know, educating people on this, but, obviously, they won't. This is where I'd like to step in and and recognize that
[00:27:32] Unknown:
all of our backgrounds seem to come from the same place of looking for truth, maybe a truth or movement position, or researching what's behind the news. There's also this added element today of conspiracy content. So we are so entrenched in this conspiracy content even to the point of having, you know, a 2020 hindsight situation where everyone's waking up. We even use the same language over and over again. Everyone's waking up. Everyone can see the conspiracy. Everything is a sigh up. Everything is, you know, it's the elites, the government, the the people at the top of the pyramid, the 1%. They have all the money. They're keeping us dumb and stupid.
Sure. So I want to now push back against that and say, if that is our presupposition, I think we're maybe blind to the situation or we only see this obesity epidemic, this obesity disease as the result of the quiet weapons for was it silent words or something like it? It's a government program that the the military has been designing these soft kill weapons over time to make people stupider, more passive. Okay. Sure. So now I'm gonna just jump in and say, we know that. That information is available to all of us. When I was in elementary school and I realized that there were people in the world who were bullies, that were bigger and stronger than me, and I had to defend myself. I had to become funnier. I had to become sexier. I had to become smarter. If I was gonna get a Valentine from the cutest, blonde haired I think she was Mormon or her parents were some strange religious. It was a mystery to me, and I was ready to conquer that 2 year old, 2nd grader. Not she's not a 2 year old. Now I'm setting traps for myself here. Alright.
So the point being, from a very early age, I discovered that Santa Claus isn't real, that that's a lie. The next thing I realized that there wouldn't be an equal opportunity outcome for every person. This idea that somehow Christians were going to rise above it all and choosing the proper Christian faith and denomination and church would be key to the club. And then I realized, well, there's there's a Mormon church, and there's a church of Scientology. There's other competing churches that have their own self interest in mind. So the point here is that when we find out, when we wake up to the reality that there's a food war happening, that we have frankenfood, and that our diet and nutrition is so important to our survival, we already have the idea of the survival of the fittest.
We recognize that. To be able to push back against, you know, the evolutionary, the social Darwinism, the economic Darwinism, this idea of the best rise to the top, the strongest man gets to marry a woman. Recognize that fact. That's how it works when you test it and function. So to live in a fairy fairy fairy tale world where everybody is beautiful, everyone gets to be accepted for who they are, and we can't have an adult conversation to recognize people's strengths and weaknesses, and that some people have an abundance and overcapacity of strengths, charm, charisma, and the ability to provide for their family.
That is is that not the American dream that we're living?
[00:31:04] Unknown:
Well, yeah. But these are individual
[00:31:06] Unknown:
characteristics that Dave, we're not at that part yet. It's my turn. Hold your panties. The second hour's rebuttal open like that. Fine.
[00:31:23] Unknown:
Oh, I was ready to kick a hole in that.
[00:31:26] Unknown:
I know. I saw it. You were on fire. So Mar Marcus did a fine job of, displaying the personal accountability portions of that and whatnot, which is our position. So I'm gonna spend my time more kicking a hole in Steve's and John's. And so when we look at, what has happened to the food industry, much of that was driven by the consumers. When the consumers decided that they did not any longer need to take a hand in their own food and the only time that they needed to was when they were gonna eat it, that shifted things to a need for commercial production.
Now I'm gonna use milk as the perfect example because many of us and and we're gonna almost Andrew Wilson the hell out of each other here because we've we all pretty much agree with each other's positions is the worst part. So, you know, we're not conceding out of being dickheads and trying to be him and trying to just use that tactic. We just actually agree with each other. It's hard to argue some of these things. And these fuckers keep bringing up pharmaceuticals, and I can't argue the intentionality of that at all. That's not the food industry.
But, when you look at milk, everybody will say, and and rightly so, that milk is dead. That they pasteurize it, that it's now a dead product. Now now it does not contain the things that are gonna help your gut biome process it. Because of that, as Steve rightly pointed out, he didn't point this out with milk, but rather than with milk, like what he was talking about with stripping out the fats and things like that, milk now instead of giving you, nourishment and starts stripping calcium because it's trying to bind up the things to cover the dead things. And so you can look at that as a very intentional evil thing. Now here's where the problem comes in. When we all still want milk but we don't wanna have a cow, I personally have cows.
And I go down and I milk my cow. And then I bring my milk up in a nice little bucket and we strain it and put it in the fridge. Without pasteurization, about 4 days later, that milk is funky. Nobody likes funky milk. So for me to take and get that milk from the the cow through the bottling plant, because we're gonna skip pasteurization, we're gonna say that part's out, Through the bottling plant, distributed to the stores. It sits in the store for a few days before it hits your fridge. And you want it to sit in your fridge for at least a few days before it turns into freaking, you know, tasting more sour than buttermilk.
So this desire of the consumers to still have this thing, but not take the responsibility that is required to have that good thing. There's there was a need to account for that. And that's that expanded across most industries. When people say things like organic food shouldn't be more expensive than these foods they're using all these processes and chemicals on. That's just not having ever farmed. As an organic farmer, I have to go out and buy hand deal with any kind of plants that I don't want in certain areas because I permaculture grow.
It's not monocropped, which is part of this whole deal because we're doing monocropping in order to be able to take something like a combine and whip it down a field and harvest an entire field in a day. Something that by hand would take weeks for many many people. Weeding takes weeks for many many people. If I mono crop and I commercial grow, I can whip down that field with a plane. I can do all the fields I own and have the neighbor pay me to do his. It's that much faster and that much easier to get you people the food you refuse to take responsibility for.
I know growing food is hard, but you can. And then we let things like city councils push us around, and we stay in these city laden areas. Well, guess what? Living in the country is cheap. Always has been. You can own a plot of land for a fraction of what you pay for rent in the apartment in the city. You go down to the bay, 2 months apartment rent or buy your own land. Live in a shithole for a little while. Build it up. Have some gumption. Have some self control. It's all your choice, but people don't want that. They want the ramen beep beep beep in the microwave. Boom.
Boom. They want it to say weight watchers. It's healthy. I'm eating healthy. Boom. In the microwave. Beep beep beep. I can't help that, and that's all entirely self responsibility.
[00:37:12] Unknown:
I'll just say real quick. When you say consumer driven, I would just argue that that's driven by propaganda and false information from
[00:37:22] Unknown:
government and health officials. Did that propaganda make you want milk when we've had milks in our whole entire in the entirety of society?
[00:37:31] Unknown:
It does a body good.
[00:37:34] Unknown:
There's milk cows have been part of society always. That's that's a traditional thing that's always happened. Every family had one. That's what an oxen actually was. The definition of an oxen is typically a milk cow. Why did so many people have oxen? Because they had milk cows sitting around. Because of milk in all kinds of cows in all kinds of traditions is is, one of the very first animals that are known to be interacting and living symbiotically with man. So the government didn't make you want the milk. That's always been a thing. You gave up the cow, but still wanted the milk, but want me to respect that that's not on you.
[00:38:24] Unknown:
Okay. So let's let's unpack a little bit of this. And and firstly, you know, there's the reality that the human body is much more attuned to process goat milk than cow's milk in the first place. The the cow's milk has been something that has only in the last, I don't know, like, what, 8 1000 years or so. Remember that scene in lock stock in 2 smoking barrels when they're in the car? Oh. They're talking about it. He ends up throwing the freaking thing on the thing. And You need more study on milk, bro. You're wrong. I have. I've I've looked at a number of studies on milk, and I looked at a handful of you're talking about is a one milk.
[00:39:05] Unknown:
What you're talking about is a one milk, the commercialization.
[00:39:08] Unknown:
Argue that a two milk isn't superior. A two milk is definitely superior. I will agree with you on that. But you're The reality though is that the vast majority of the population lives in a heavily urban area because that's where the jobs are. Ben says, just go buy land. Do you have the credit to do that? Can you get the loan approval to do that? Whose banks do you have to go through before you're able to get that loan processed? Most Americans can't do that because we've been saddled with debt from basically birth. It is incredibly hard for you as just a random schmo who doesn't have family that can cosign, who doesn't have somebody who can put up a little bit of nut for the property in the 1st place in order to help you facilitate that. If you're fortunate enough at 22 years old to have been working since you were 12, 14, something like that, and stocked away a little bit of cash for a down payment, good on you, you're winning.
I celebrate that. I encourage that, and I would love for more people to be taught fiscal responsibility at a young age so that's something that they could prepare for, but that's not the reality that we live in. And we do live in a reality of instant gratification culture, which again is something that has been imposed on the population as opposed to something that the population would have selected had they been given an opportunity. Now the there's a couple of different things here. Let me pull up my notes. I'm trying to keep notes while we're doing all of this. Let's see.
The consumers opted out of a traditional model. No. The traditional model was removed from the consumers. Once people, were effectively forced into large urban populations because that's where all of the work was. All of the work, not just some of the work because clearly, there there's a a portion of the population that is state and rural areas and does rural jobs and farms and drives trucks and bales hay and all of that. So there's still a, yeah, a portion of the population that does that. But if you want to sustain yourself, if you want to be able to make an income, if you want to be able to have a family, the vast majority of your opportunities lie in urban populations. If you're going to take that route where you want to be able to to make an income, you are de facto effectively forced into an urban environment.
I will grant upfront that there are farmers markets that take place in in major cities everywhere. There are. They're, ridiculously expensive, and they're we can get into why they're ridiculously expensive if you want to at some point in the conversation. But the economic reality is that the vast majority of Americans have been pushed into a situation where it's not even the grocery store, it's Dollar General. This is anecdotal, okay, and I'll grant that this is anecdotal, but we're the part of Gold Country where my ex wife and my kids currently live.
There are 3 grocery stores in the area. You have to travel, 45 minutes one direction before you get to a quote unquote hippie grocery store where even what passes as organic has changed dramatically over the last 15 years. And what qualifies technically as organic ain't. It is also incredibly, inhospitable soil without massive augmentation, which comes at a significant cost, which most of the people in that community can't afford in the first place in order to augment their soil to the point to where they could be able to grow quality organic vegetables.
The 3 grocery stores are Walmart, Dollar General, and Safeway. That's it. There may be an organic section in those grocery stores, but again the requirements for what is and isn't organic have changed so dramatically that you're allowed a certain amount of arsenic in your food, and it still qualifies as organic. Ben is highly fortunate
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in that Organic just means carbon bearing.
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Yeah. That's all it is. No. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. But, Ben is highly fortunate in that he'd had the opportunity to secure a property in California. He turned that property into a couple of more and is fucking doing absolutely incredible only through grit, determination, hard work, and, fucking, fuck you attitude towards anyone or everyone who would try to interfere with that. That's a rarity. It used to be a commonality, but it's currently a rarity. And I I do. I've got nothing but love and respect for Ben for doing that and for showing people that it can be done if the cards fell your way in the first place in order for this to happen.
Again, the vast majority of the population doesn't have, a, those opportunities, b, those resources, c, the education necessary to do it, we could. Again, my whole half of my whole point here is that the miseducation of the country is what is allowed for this to proliferate in the first place. So there's, you know, all different kinds of avenues that we can go down, and I am 100% for individuals making individual choices to better themselves. You need to have the the wherewithal in the first place to understand that you've been lied to. I think we would all agree that we are America's biggest minority in the quote unquote truth community.
There are far less of us that have really freaking deep dived on this shit in order to try to get to the heart of the matter Then there are people who have been pushed into a situation where it's work, check out for the day because that's the only coping mechanism that you have. Even if that even if your check out for the day is I'm gonna go to the gym for an hour and a half. If you don't have whole health knowledge, you're not gonna lose any weight. You may gain some strength. You may gain some endurance, but you're not gonna lose the weight. The subject of the night, the prompt is obesity.
If you don't have your hormones regulated and imbalanced, and I would I would be shocked if 10% of the country knew that fat storage is regulated solely by or predominantly by hormones rather than any other aspect of diet, exercise, the good food, this that. It's down to hormones. And I I would basically promise you that less than 10% of the country is aware of that. We've been shown a false food pyramid. We've been shown, false, you know, the got milk campaign, where they're trying to push pasteurized a one milk on absolutely everyone as a subsidized governmental policy nationwide, not just through advertising and marketing, but at elementary school and on.
The school lunch program is probably one of the driving factors of the obesity epidemic. And it doesn't matter what Big Mike tried to do when you know Herbich was president, it doesn't matter the the oh let's do healthy foods, no you're subcontracting with quote unquote organic farmers that are putting crap pesticides into their food that get to deplete the the nutrients inside of the food. There's no education around on what makes food healthy and what makes food healthy once it gets into your body. We have been deliberately put into this position, and if you want any evidence of that, there are 92 countries right now that won't let Monsanto operate in their country.
There's only a couple of countries on the planet that will accept Monsanto products, the United States being the biggest one. Certainly, there's a concerted effort on the part of our homegrown oligarchy to make us this way. And when we have potential for diabetes, when we have potential for heart failure, when in and if we really get into sugar and or aspartame, you guys are gonna get cooked because it's been a 100% deliberate effort to put these products and chemicals and poisons into not just us, but our children, into our parents.
I'm gonna go ahead and and say that the baby boomers are the dumbest and most destructive generation that this country has ever seen, and the the fact of the matter is that most of these food based quote unquote conspiracies, but really you know psychological and physical warfare operations started post World War 2, really kicked into high gear as the baby boomers were coming, of age. Prior to that, we were a much more rural population. Yeah. In fact, when I was the first house that I grew up in, in Kendallville, Indiana, I had an icebox, and we had a milkman.
And the icebox had a door that opened up to the outside of the house so that the milk man could come by and put quality a 2 milk into the ice box. And that that was a thing at least up until 1981, but it ceased to be a thing post 1981. And there has been a signal I have got all kinds of graphs and stuff like that if I'm allowed to share screen at some point, I could show you the various different times through throughout the last 65, 70 years where all of these things really came into effect. And, again, I wanna make it perfectly clear that I do concede that the individual has a responsibility for their own health and any individual can take responsibility for their own health. It is the deliberate miseducation, the deliberate propaganda, and the deliberate weaponization of various different chemicals in various different foods along with people being forced into food desert communities where there's no such thing as a farmer's market for 15 miles.
And if you're locked into a situation through circumstance or through birth where you're not physically capable to go and, get yourself to an organic grocery store, you are by default subjected to the food that is being served in front of you. Format.
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Since Steve's not used to the debate format.
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We don't have a moderator with a timer. Have a timer. If we had a timer, I'd be way I'd be way better about that. You tell me I got 2 minutes, I can gauge that in my head. We're letting you go. Figure about 5 is usually what we always go. I we forget this is only your 2nd week, Steve. I don't think I want more than 5 minutes on that. Oh, no. You you're you're, like, 10
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minutes. It's fucking late. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. Little over 5. A little over 5. A little over 5, Riley.
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Yeah. But like Marcus said, we're letting them letting them cook. You know? Yeah. Cook. He's getting it. He's getting it. Cooking his own food.
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So I I jump in there and say, you know, I hear blame Monsanto, blame Walmart, blame Safeway, blame Dollar General, blame the soil. Steve and John, do you argue that modern urban city, suburban living is the cause of obesity? And will you concede that not everyone in America will succeed to reach their ideal body shape and and weight and measurement, and not everyone's gonna get to that moderate BMI range. So statistics be damned. It's just the healthy living. So so the healthy living ideal might not be available to every person. Is is that what we're talking about here? And if you're arguing that the USA, America, the government is to blame for allowing Monsanto free range over Americans, Is this just another argument to state that it's the personal responsibility of the of the individual to recognize this and then leave the SIOP states of America and go to some place where they can grow their own food?
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I would just argue that you when when you wake up and you realize there's a problem, you realize you're at war, you're in, like, in debt, and you're in a place where, yeah, I'd like to leave, but I've got a lot of things here keeping me here and making it much more difficult to actually get up and go. So yeah. I mean, I would say that the modern cities probably add to that. Like, look at Ben's situation. I mean, he was raised in a specific way where he had these skills. I wasn't. You know? I was raised in the suburbs, in the city. I wasn't taught the value of those things. So now as an adult learning that I need to develop these skills, it's a much more uphill battle to just say, oh, yeah, individual discipline or I gotta get up and go. And, you kinda like 1 foot in, 1 foot out. You know, I mentally see the issue, but I'm also stuck in the midst of it, in the muck of it. And, so yeah. I mean and and again, we're a small percentage of people that are waking up. We go try to tell people this stuff, and they say, well, you're not a doctor.
Right? And then we look here 19 twenties, Edward Bernays got hired by, beech nut packing company because they wanted to sell more bacon. Well, bacon isn't just a normal thing. We just want for breakfast. Actually, back then, we didn't even really eat breakfast. So Bernays said, well, 45,000 physicians urge Americans to eat heavy breakfast to improve their health. Well, back then, I guess we were, like, intermittent fasting, and we were actually breaking our fast, you know, past noon. So that's not a normal occurring thing. That's something that they used the the medical industry to influence people to think that this was the right thing for your health.
I don't think it was, the the public just wanting that. It was clearly put there to make us unhealthy, make us consume more, maybe help them make more money. I'm sure that's a big part of it too. But it seems more nefarious than that when you put everything together.
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Now I'm afraid to talk.
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No. We'll move to the back and forth after I get done. Because this is basically we did the opening statements, and now this round, sometimes we do a 3rd round. But, this is part of why I love having Steve here, though. Because, like, even though Steve and I basically agree with everything the other one's saying, it still seems like a fucking fight. Yeah. But Steve and I don't know how to fight. It
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has the it has the the bite to it. We have to defend our positions even if we don't want to defend them.
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And so going where, Steve did with using a a personal more personal situations, both Steve and I have made it to the positions of speakers that get to go out and, be in the public, and we're known people. And so we get the opportunity to be behind the scenes, get to meet people. They share their lives with us. We meet the other speakers. And if what Steve said held true, I would find that all the speakers, especially myself being a being an alchemist, so making a lot of natural medicines, that you would find that all the speakers in the natural health community would be very fit people. And that is not the case.
When, they talk about when Steve talks about you need to move into the city to have to try and have kids and and yada yada, poor people have more kids than wealthy people. Poor people have more kids than middle class people. You move out to these rural areas, they're punching out the mostest kids. You like, that was me. And so the this life where where Steve said that, I was in the right position, I really didn't. I was a dumb shit a lot, but I just refused to give. I had a kid by the time I was 17 with my then high school girlfriend.
I was barely 17 when that kid came out. I joined the army. I was so far ahead of my high school credits that I was able to choose to go to Votec, and I could have either had half the day off of school or go to Votec and and gain an automotive degree. And I chose to get the automotive degree, then I chose to join the army. And when I was 17, I worked 2 jobs and went to high school. And I was in the army, and I went to boot camp between my junior and senior year. So part of that deal included having to have grades that were substantial enough to justify me being in high school and doing this.
And so I had to carry a grade level that was substantial enough. Then after high school, yeah, I did the what Steve said. I busted ass. It was, you know, I've been to prison. I've, I grew up extremely poor. I had no money. I was given the same propaganda. I'm not sure that I would put a strong did they know better? Because here's a fact with the with the world today. If Christy and I followed the same diet, we would not do well. Now there isn't a lot of people that are out of real privy to the blood type diet, but, specifically, I don't do well eating meat. I'm a vegetarian. A lot of people wouldn't guess that about me, but I and I don't do well eating meat.
My body as a a as an a blood type, I don't produce the the pieces that that are required to digest heavy meat. And if I eat that, a blood types are more prone to gout. This isn't something that was known, and even today, it's not commonly known. Now my wife, when we met, she was a vegetarian. She ended up her nails got thin. Her hair was falling out. She had super thin hair. Her teeth were falling out, breaking off in pieces. She had to move, and she now eats meat. And not anywhere near what the food pyramid tries to claim that that was insanity. I don't disagree that the cattle ranchers, association, had a lot to do with that particular thing.
But once again, as Marcus pointed out, we're given all kinds of misinformation. Some of it intentional, some of it not. It is on you. It's the it's this idea that we get to push an autopilot button and let everybody else make our choices for us is where we're at a strong impasse here. Because you're saying, oh, it's not our fault, but also somebody else do it for me. And the two things can't exist at the same time.
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Well, I'd like to point out and make the argument for, you know, people with diabetes or other health issues. They recognize they need to monitor their blood levels. I think everybody needs to monitor their blood levels. Everybody needs to know what's going in, what it's doing, and how it's going out. That's personal responsibility. The hell are you monitoring in your blood levels? What what are you talking about right now? Okay. Test strips. Test strips. Am I misunderstanding what a test strip does when people go and prick their finger? They test the glucose. I would prick my finger. I'm not saying you need to prick your finger. But the point is there are people that have medical conditions and their requirements for, you know, pricking their finger, testing their blood, taking their insulin shot, maintaining these types of things.
Question is, how is that any different from an individual who discovers that their body mass index or BMI is above the target level, and now the doctor says your goal is to reduce that. So if it's monitoring a caloric intake, is that the solution? Other health can other health people, you know, I don't know if I'd call them disabled or whatever. The they have a chronic condition. They have a condition. The doctors recognize that they have a condition. Their family recognizes they have a condition. They buy their groceries based off of what the dietary restrictions are, and then they have to test, for example, glucose levels. We mentioned hormones and those types of things. Are there tests for regulating the harm for determining where the hormone levels are? And if not, is that an opportunity for some new business to sprout up and say, hey. There's a there's an obesity opportunity here.
Businesses, I don't care if they're in China or anywhere, can recognize that, hey. Americans have a need. This is a serious thing. Right? This is free enterprise. Let the business determine the solution, and then people can make money out of this thing.
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Well, the the money has all been incentivized to the pharmaceutical industry to treat symptoms and to mitigate, further symptoms rather than cure or solve any problems. I think we could all agree that we don't have a health care industry. We have a sick care industry. And the immediate side effect or the immediate effect of that is a focus on treatment rather than solution. Because if you can continue treatment, you have a permanent customer base. If you have people that are making informed decisions on their own without propaganda influence, then you lost a customer.
If an entire community does that, you lost an entire customer base. So because of the public private partnership that exists currently, there is, again, it's outliers that walk away from this system. Even the people who are out here promoting various different diets never talk I've never heard a health and fitness influencer mention ghrelin as one of the key hormones in your body that regulates fat storage. Not once, not ever. I have heard them discuss cortisol, I have heard them discuss insulin. You know, so I'll even grant that 2 thirds of the hormones that are necessary for fat storage or that regulate fat storage do get discussed, but ghrelin is more important than cortisol in terms of fat storage, never mentioned.
And I don't know if that's deliberate on health influencers or if they lack the exact same education that 99.9 percent of Americans also lack in this aspect. I maintain also lack in this aspect. I maintain that that is something that has been deliberately eliminated from the conversation in order to keep us in this condition. There there's, man. It it's crazy to me to to have this conversation in general without discussing the impact or I know that I know that I brought it up, but without discussing the impact that hormone regulation necessitates and drives your ability to actually lose weight. You can spend I don't I don't deny that though.
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But it your hormones would be right if you ate right.
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I could care less what's going on with my hormones because I eat good food. So let me paint a picture for you then. Let me paint a picture for you then because the even if you're even if you're quote unquote eating good food, your body may not be processing it correctly because your hormones are out of balance. You can have a minor magnesium deficiency and your body won't process food in the same way that it would be if your magnesium levels weren't up. All of these various hormones, insulin, cortisol, ghrelin, they are all made up of various different nutrients. If you're nutrient deficient in any way, shape, or form, it's going to dysregulate your body's ability to process food.
This requires
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I'm not like you're talking about being an adult and watching you're regulating your intakes of things and watching what's going on. Okay. So what tools are available
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to the average American in order for them to regulate their macrominerals, their microminerals, their macronutrients, their micronutrients, what education is being given to people in order to have this, you know,
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what you I guess you would consider base general knowledge. I hear you, Steve, and that sounds to me like an opportunity for people who have Internet. You talked earlier about how people have to get jobs, and all the jobs are in the city. Balderson over here lives in the middle of nowhere. He has Internet can work from home. So maybe Balderson needs to create a course where he teaches when We've established that he's an outlier, though. Well, he is, but I'm talking specifically No. I like it. The argument that people have to get jobs and they have to drive to work in a building in a city. That's been disproven with the whole work from home thing where people have home offices, computers, Internet access, and create the exact, education that you're saying doesn't exist, and they can become wealthy by creating the curriculum, selling the curriculum.
And then also, if this is more a diagnostic problem, then scientists and technology entrepreneurs can create test strip programs at home. We discover, hey. There's lead in the water. Now we can go test the lead in the water. I can get a blood, test kit at home and determine what my blood type is. More of these types of tests and diagnostic stuff so more medicine can be done at home. That's a solution. I'm talking solutions. Yeah. I'm asking you, who are you blaming for the obesity epidemic in America. I'm not concerned about solutions at this point. I'm specifically focusing on who do we blame. And per our last discussion last week, we discovered that using a court system to sue or bring McDonald's to court for their quality of food or not labeling it properly or having secret ingredients. If KFC has secret ingredients in the chicken recipe for their drumsticks, and we don't know what that is, and that's the cause of obesity, and we can bring them to court and sue them, then we can hold them personally responsible as a corporation.
Who do we blame and what how do we blame someone and then get some reimbursement, some,
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what's the word, you know, get a check money in the mail? I don't know if we get reparations for it, Marcus. I don't. I I really don't. However, we there there are a couple individuals we can blame. We can blame a man named Ancel Keys. K? Ancel Keys is the guy who came up with the food peer pyramid. Let me is it okay if I share screen? Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. Let me let me get make sure I'm on the right tab. I got, like, 8,000 tabs open. Here we go. Alright. So let's get into this a little bit. Alright? And before we get into Ancel Keys, you know, there's there's some decent, you know, cursory information.
Backdrop to the story of the food pyramid begins in post war 19 fifties America. Deaths from competing causes, namely war and infection, have drastically reduced. You can also point that to an increase in what is known as, a judge trauma and field medicine, which is what makes up the bulk of allopathic western medicine. It's immediate, let's just stop the bad, the biggest bad, and then we'll figure the rest out as we go.
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Same time trying to argue with you on medicine at all, bro. I'm not even trying to argue with you on it. The snake and that more people listen to the snake oil salesman than not, that's still on them. We used to know people used to know better than the than to take the snake oil. So let's well, the the
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proliferation of that particular type of propaganda wasn't available. It wasn't that they didn't know better. It's that they weren't being given a different line of bullshit in order to be sold on. The with the rise of mass media, with the rise of television, with the rise of commercials that drove television, you got more exposure to this particular type of propaganda. So again, it's not that they didn't it's not that everybody knew better. But during the same, did an equal rise of education availability
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not happen?
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One more time. I'm sorry.
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During the same periods, I I don't deny what you just said. During the same exact periods did an equal opportunity of education rise
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happen. And I
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of education? I e, when I was a little kid, because a lot of this we can pin down in our lifetimes. When I was a little kid, trying to find any odd information included me sitting over a fish tape for 4 hours to hopefully find something that might still be there in the spot that it says it's gonna be in. You know, pray the the the the book gods. And now today, very poor people get these things. They call them Obama phones. And and and you go like this, and they have the they have this thing, like Marcus mentioned, the Internet, where I can find
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anything in the world. Yeah. But how deep do you have to dig, though? Right? And how manipulated are information is not
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are Google search results, how manipulated are Yahoo search results, Bing, this, it it it does it still takes digging. If it didn't take digging, we wouldn't be considered French for our opinions, for our research, for all of the things that we cite. They wouldn't be as batted back immediately as tinfoil hat, batcheddery, cuckoo, suede science like they still are in the mainstream each and every day. And I will I'll I'll concede again that there is a multibillion dollar industry that exists to guarantee that all of these viewpoints are considered French. What was considered common sense a 150 years ago is considered crazy today. The
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So why do the people why do the people who know who you and I are contemporaries, why do they still live like shit? Why do they still eat like shit? Why did I hate to use the the some of my friends as an example, but, like, a couple years ago, this whole crew got together, including, mister Billy and Crow and and, Jason and all them. And it literally looked like they were gonna eat Mark Valley, you know you know, freaking Mark. Why is that? They are dispensers of the information and don't apparently live by it. So how am I supposed to not see that as a personal self control issue? Because I know they have the information.
[01:14:30] Unknown:
Well, okay. If you look at it at an individual to individual basis and, again, I can see that this upfront. Part of my opening statement was conceding that there is an individual element of responsibility to maintain your personal health or to get you know, do everything that you can to be the healthiest individual that you are. My contention is that there are multiple, multibillion dollar industries that go out of their way to prevent people from accessing this information, to limit the scope of their education. And on top of that, at least in 2024, it is for the average person. Because, again, we're not talking about people in this community right now. We're talking about America as a nation.
There's been a deliberate concerted effort to remove what has been traditional knowledge, to remove what has been common sense, to eliminate critical thinking from kindergarten or preschool all the way through your postgraduate degree as a doctor where you spend less than 20 minutes on nutrition. These are efforts that have permeated the culture and de facto recent history, if we're gonna look at the last 50 or 60 years as recent history, the onset of not just sugar as a highly addictive substance that was introduced into I've well, I think at this point, it's 80 or 85% of the products that exist at the grocery store, including all of your breads, and even a whole bunch of products that you wouldn't think of. You guys, I have a dude, named Texas Slim who comes on to AM wake up at least a couple obesity?
Pardon? Are you blaming Texas Slim for obesity? I am not, dude. He is in fact slim. He's very slim. He's very slim individual. He's a fit guy. Okay. Yeah. No. It's not like one of those ironic nicknames where you call the 6 foot 7, 345 pound guy tiny. It's not like that. K? He he's actually slim. And he's on a mission to reintroduce Americans to their local rancher. He has a thing called the beef initiative. It's honestly one of the coolest projects that I've been fortunate enough to kind of be attached to over the last several years.
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Sounds like it's arguing my point of entrepreneurials. With the spirit of this entrepreneurialism, meeting the obesity, opportunity,
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face on, and then creating solutions to And I I again, I'll grant that. I will grant that. Slim is also an outlier. Slim is someone who lived out of his truck for the last 3 years because he put literally everything that he had into
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this particular business venture. Yeah. He was to be, like, people who work harder
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get greater rewards down the road. So So let me let let hang on real quick real quick. Yeah. Because this is an important component of the story. Slim was in the the tech industry for 25, 30 years. That's that's where he was, and he was, basically given a death sentence. Had some significant health issues, and, and had, effectively what we would colloquially refer to as a come to Jesus moment. K? No offense to the oldness or or anybody else. You know? Just want you know? The in the vernacular, it was a come to Jesus moment. And so not only did you have come to take moment.
Right? Right? Right? Well, yeah. So I guess, effectively, it might have been more of a Hindu thing where he came to the cow. K? But but, he had to fire absolutely every aspect of education that he had received up to that point. He had to go seek out new information. He had to relearn what his grandparents knew before his parents were subjugated to an onslaught of Bernesian propaganda through new emergent forms of media that nobody could have really fucking seen coming. K? The and this is one of the main cruxes of the argument is that, yes, I grant you that individuals do have the ability and the capability to take control of their situation, but it requires such a drastic and such a massive shift, not just in their own lifestyle, but in the culture around them.
And they have to deal with all of the pushback from everybody, from every facet of their lives, from their doctor to their priest or their, you know, freaky pastor or their coworkers in order to make that happen. You have to become a deliberate minority in this country in order to get yourself some remedial food education, to say nothing of the fact that once you finally crack that nut and you get into it a little bit, you realize that the first couple of different things that you've been taught about your quote unquote healthy lifestyle are also bullshit.
The it is a it's an intentional, deliberate process that people have to select to go through rather than a fact of life that is part of your everyday education from birth going forward, including your schools. And so that's the hurdle that you have to overcome.
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And I just wanna say the education expansion that Ben is talking about is actually the expansion of the Prussian education system, which is just there to make us good citizens,
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follow orders. That wasn't what I was talking about. We're following orders from people
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who are purposely lie purposefully lying to us. So what is the expansion of education that you're talking about? What what other education was there?
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The availability of personal education. A 100 years ago, 200 years ago, you couldn't hardly get a book. Then all of a sudden, yes, the Prussian education system with it, guess what else came with it? The printing press. Guess what came next? Libraries. Things that you could personally go educate yourself. There has always been countereducation. It wasn't what you were spoon fed. I'm sorry that what you were spoon fed wasn't the greatest. You had to take some personal accountability into it and go get the thing that is good for you, not good for them. Now here's here's where the big problem with what, Steve is saying, especially in the sugar market. You can say sugar is evil, but sugar isn't evil. It's just a thing. And here's the problem.
If I put some sugar on something, people like it more than they liked it before. If I put more sugar on it, they like it more than they liked it before that. They have the availability for non sweetened, non sugared product. It usually sits right next to the product that contains vast amounts of sugar. Which one did they go to? Here's one that's healthy and good for me. Here's the one that's not. But it tastes good. I can't help that people don't wanna control themselves, and neither can anybody else. If they want to shove their face full of corn syrup because they think it tastes good, that's on them. They know the difference.
[01:23:18] Unknown:
Are you interested in the argument for addiction? If are we talking about sugar addiction and food addiction in general at this point? Well, interestingly,
[01:23:26] Unknown:
high fructose corn syrup, as a a byproduct or a primary product in foods peaked in 1999. There's been a significant reduction of high fructose corn syrup syrup in all of these products over the last, what is that, 25 years? So that's a solid generation and a little bit more where HCFC hasn't been a major component of food. Now sugar is a highly addictive substance. So Ben just basically said, if you sprinkle a little cocaine on it, maybe it'll be fun for you. Maybe it'll be alright. Let's let's go ahead and drop a little heroin on it. Remember Dave Chappelle? Sprinkle some crack on it. You know? Yeah. It did. Yeah. Let's let's do that. Sure. And then once they get addicted to it, what's your fault for being an addict? Yes. We made sure that this product was in your food. Yes. We made sure that this product was on your table.
Yes. We made sure that local
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alcohol Are you making beverages. For me are you arguing for making sugar illegal on the say in the same, style that they have in methamphetamines or heroin?
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Classified sugar drugs. Specifically prescribed to elementary school age children as Ritalin and Adderall? No. I'm not arguing for that. No. I'm not. Because the moment that you start to make people aware of what the substance is, the pharmaceutical industry steps in and says, hey. We have a product that is exactly like this, but has a long complicated name and a couple of other chemicals that we can throw into it to make it seem like it's different. What I'm advocating for overall, which ironically supports your argument, is that people do need to take time out of their lives that most people don't have in order to find out about this shit. Time is all I have.
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Time is That's fucking fortunate, man, dude. I work 19 hours a day. I have no fucking time. Right. But time is all that you have, and you're chosen to join us tonight for this stream, for this education, for this debate. Yeah. I am. This is proof of the education. We're making it available. There's no such thing. Boy.
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You punched out some kids. You had to pay for them. That took jobs. That was a choice. You chose to get laid. Consequently, I made a decision. Yes. Set people
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behind in a timeline. Understand that. Yep.
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I I think that there is, an epigenetic and biologic need to procreate. K? So the you you know, choice, sure. You select your mate. You don't select the epigenetic or biologic need to procreate. I'm glad we're going in every human being. We we mentioned BBWs. We mentioned curvaceous women
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and the signs of a fertile women. How does this relate to our argument? I'm being deadly serious here.
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Well okay. So before we got on, and, interestingly, as America was getting progressively obese, the idea of the twig model was immediately fostered onto the public. Prior to the 19 late sixties and then into the seventies, what your top tier female looked like was a very curvaceous lady. Yeah. You know, Betty Page, Marilyn Monroe, all these types that that had like, they were thick. They were, boy. They was thick. And fucking the when you smack them on the ass, there was a nice little fucking wave and you went, oh, yeah. You know? And then all of the sudden, we, were shown via marketing propaganda and advertising, your Twiggies and all of these people who were rail thin to the point where you had Kate Moss who had more prominent freaking hip bones than she did tits.
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Well, you're gonna you're gonna get you're you're gonna we're gonna end up dragging this far afield, though, because that entire that entire trope is due to feminism, bro. Straight out. Hey. Look. I had no argument there. Right. Like, they were trying to push the, not to use the Christian terminology, but just for again, like Steve said, because that's what people recognize. They basically tried to push the horror of Babylon as the the primary figure that women should try and achieve as opposed to, back in the other days. It was the the, the mother figure. When you look at the mother goddess figures, they're always a thicker figure.
They have larger, fuller breasts that are saggy. They they have the thicker hips, the thicker you know, it's not the skinny, the horror of Babylon type figure. And feminism culturally pushed that entire trope. So that that's coupled with a weird, desire for women to be the horror of Babylon rather than be the loving mother figure. And and so that's a whole weird thing that I don't know what to say about with
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that. I mean, now the culture is pushing, fat acceptance. Right? So
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Right. And that's, Well, now they're fat horse at the same time.
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We kept the whore and and went to the fat. They they didn't get they they dumped the loving mother out of the equation. They're like, yeah. But we like the whore and the fat parts. We like those two things. Sure. That that is an entirely separate debate. Oh, I'd like to talk about mother Russia at this point and China and Russia. If they're doing it better, if they have better nutrition, if they have better armies, if they have more fit young soldiers ready to fight and defend their influence in the world. It might just be a point where the controlled demolition of America and the western ideal is happening. We've discovered that. We've dug that up a little bit. We're kind of in agreement with that. So now I'm just thinking in my own mind with all that I've heard tonight that this obesity epidemic in America will self correct over time as stronger Russian men and stronger Russian Chinese due to their eugenics and breeding program will self determinately raise their own master race.
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So oh, okay. Well, let's I mean, the this, you know, as fucking silly as that is, let's go ahead and fucking get into that for a minute.
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Didn't see that coming, did you, bro? I I demand respect for all my arguments and to be taken seriously.
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Russia banned genetically modified foods, over 14 years ago. Russia banned Monsanto from operating in its country. China has banned Monsanto. China has banned
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genetically modified foods. Tell the whole story as you're telling this.
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Well, I okay. In your opinion, what is the whole story that he's going to The
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the the the Paul Harvey, this is the rest of the story. This entire, that entire operation was coupled with having young couples go take responsibility for themselves and grow their own food and start organic small organic farms. Small.
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But it was small. That's a government action though. Right? That's a government It was a government mandate.
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That was not in What do you want me to say?
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That was not in that was not individually simultaneously waking up across the nation. That was the state saying we are forcing you to do this. And that while we could argue whether or not the state forcing you to grow your own food is a good thing, I do think we would all agree that force and think you would do anything. Yeah. From what we did, actually. They we're here. They dissuade you. But Here, they dissuade you from doing it. I didn't think I would see Ben come down on the side of of, state mandates tonight, but, you know,
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what's it's interesting. Well, I'm even leaning towards the supremacy of Orthodox
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Christian Christians. Stupid people that refuse to eat organic. How else do you get stupid people that refuse to eat organic? At this point, if you try to offer them a nice oat bar with peanuts and honey in it or a Snickers, 99.9
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of them are taking the Snickers and spin back the item of them. I can back that up. You I go to food reclamation and I can back that up. I go to food reclamation and distribution center for many years. I volunteered. I've been in line. I've received. I've handed stuff out. There's always a supply of food that is overproduced in America. We get the the lowest quality Franken foods with, like, jalapeno added and everything, and spicy is terrible, sugar is bad stuff. And then all the baked bread items, the cookies, all the cakes, the the donuts, that stuff. That's all overproduced. But then on the other side, there's also potatoes and tomatoes and rutabaga and strange Asian vegetables that I have no idea what the name is, and they look so Okay. Let's And I can bring them home and make a soup. But what my point here is that the people again, education, if they knew how to, you know, make some bok chow and make a sauerkraut and whatever it was with the fresh vegetables, they could do that. The people that I see at the reclamation reclaim the donuts first. They get in line early to get tickets to be the 1st person to reclaim the chicken, the pizza, and the donuts.
Let let me They leave they leave the fresh there's garden variety vegetables that are harvested from local farms that provide to this food pantry to food pantry. Organic.
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Let me let me let me go ahead and and interject an entirely new subject into a related conversation because there's an element that we haven't discussed tonight yet. And that is since the since the 19 forties, there has been a nationwide project to fluoridate the weather. Now all of the mass produced and the vast majority of, quote, unquote, organic tomatoes, your organic bok choy, your organic lettuce, Barack Obama's arugula, all of that has been Nobody likes arugula, Barack. With with yeah. Arugula is shit. You know, that's it's it really is. It's garbage. But it's been nurtured with fluoridated water.
If we eliminated that component alone from our mass agricultural system and even our solo at home from your hose or even your filtered water, which doesn't remove fluoride, we would be in a significantly better spot nationwide, guaranteed 100%.
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Less than your food is getting grown with fluoride than what you're making out by far. You even take you even take California where we live. It's all irrigation out of that canal that's floating out of the that's floating It's all treated. It it's not been treated until it goes to human consumption. It doesn't get treated at all until it's until it's time for human consumption.
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The vast majority of the people that water unless they have a tank, and you can guarantee that your tank is non fluoridated, then you are watering your crops with fluoridated water. When people in the Midwest, when people in North Dakota and South Dakota water their crops, they're watering their crops with Florida. Yes. They are. Go look it up right now.
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No. Web water doesn't use fluoride. That's a it's that's a that's a city program, bro. The web water in them, I know personally. I was on web water. They don't fluoridate their water.
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Web water. In Sonora, they don't fluoridate their water either where my kids are, but it's also chock full of fucking iron and arsenic and all kinds of shit that you Well, I ain't gonna say it's not chock full of iron and shit and arsenic. Those are natural minerals. Yeah. But to a toxic level. Mhmm.
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Yes. Nice. I can't I can't say that either because the problem is is that a lot of those things, are due again to commercial farming, which if we grew our own food here's a fact, Steve. Out of my out of my tiny garden, which is no bigger than somebody's backyard in the city at this point, Next year, it'll be about 5 times bigger. But right now, about the size of a city backyard. I'm pulling £25 of tomatoes on average a day, just in tomatoes. And people in this anybody could do that. They could choose to do that short of living in an apartment complex. Again, that's that's these people's choices. When I was 17, I decided I didn't wanna live like that. And I wanted a fucking house. I had a house by the time I was 21. It wasn't given to me. My parents handed me 0 monies. I even was paying for a kid and managed to wrangle up enough money to fucking buy, to put down a down payment to buy a house. Not because I was from some fantastic family or had some fantastic background. I was from a broke ass family. When I was 18, because I'd already been through 2 mechanic schools, I was working at Interstate Detroit Diesel making 7.50 or 12.50 an hour. My dad was making 7.50 as a welder.
Mhmm. Like, I didn't come from nothing. And it I wrangled up enough money for a down payment. And funny enough, when you have a bunch of money to put down, they give you a house or land. And you get to choose where it is you purchase that. That that's the funny thing about America. You get to go buy go choose wherever you want any of these states here. And and approval
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with loan guarantees and credit checks and all kinds of other hurdles that you have to jump through. Let's not pretend like you can just be like, hey. I wanna buy that place. And somebody will be like, okay. There's no way you can do it.
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Paid up money, which usually includes having worked hard at a job and maintained a job and and shown progress and shown that you are a responsible person. And then, yes, at that point in time, when you've shown that, then typically, yeah, you can get you can get credit.
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So that's, like, the hurdle that is necessary. And the the credit system, there's there's this necessary hurdles to figure out how people are gonna live. If everyone was given the same amount of money, well, people would spend it on Nike shoes, PlayStation fives, and mansions, and cars, that sort of thing. So this is the argument I've heard again and again. And maybe a side debate topic for another time would be the topic of motivation. If primary motivation in our current climate economic is to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, first, put on a car of boots. 1st, second, get a get some good straps, and 3rd, pull yourself up. I mean, it's kind of the recipe for success.
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Coastline for you. Yeah.
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Well, you know, we're there's also philanthropy. So these trust fund kids who want likes and clout, you get something like mister Beast who is very popular on YouTube. And what does he do? He gives all his money away to people, and then people give him more money to do it again.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well yeah. Yeah. Me mister Beast does philanthropy. He also hires pedophile trainings.
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So it's a they're a mixed bag. It's a mixed bag. Well, he gives away some money, and then he has some private proclivities. Okay? We're not we're not arguing the quality of character of the philanthropist. I'm not saying philander. I'm saying philanthropic care. Was a philanthropist. Right.
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I think the argument with Steven then made it. I think the the Rothschild
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family are philanthropists.
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I mean, the you know? Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Sure. They did a couple terrible things with, you know, some inject candy shot. What whatever it was,
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but they're giving their money away. Yeah. So now we can say is usually a philanthropic model in words. Crimes. If they want to pay for their free ads, and we're gonna argue that I would argue that charity is substantially different than philanthropy. Okay. And philanthropy
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is and maybe we could do that, as a a separate debate. Well, I Because know, at this point, I would change my argument to blame the church for their inability to provide food for the poor. So missionary work, philanthropy work, these these types of organizations that have nonprofit, like the tax stuff. I'm being serious here. The tax thing. There are churches in small towns who have large property. And one of the benefits of being in the congregation and having a church membership is they will give you a little plot of land in their backyard to grow your vegetables over the summer. A lot of all the elderly people like to go, and they're retired, and they go, and they like to garden, and they can drink tea and play scrabble, and then prune weeds, and you look at their vegetables grow, and then they give that food back to the community in the form of, you know, feeds and fest fest days and potluck dinners on Sunday. And then they have an abundance, and they so there are methods to get good quality food and fellowship and that spiritual connection you're looking for. So that's a working model. If people's atheism and their inability to accept that faith based communities are strong, they they they marry people, they they keep people tight knit, and you grow up in a church and peep you you know these people in your community. You're really in your community.
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It that about luck. Man, I'm I'm never going to argue that the severing of, yeah, any kind of spiritual or, you know, faith based organization, the removal of that from society at large has been an extreme detriment, it doesn't necessarily matter which stripe of faith based, you know, community you're going to. The replacement of the state as the ultimate spiritual advisor has been a huge detriment to society. The fact that religion has been replaced by government and worship of the state has is part and parcel of what it is what's put us in this position right now.
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As long as we continue to live in America, we've decided we don't wanna move to Russia or China. We wanna remain in the US of a. There still is a separation of church and state. I would expand my argument to say, yes. Personal responsibility is great, and living in a community of people who all recognize the importance of personal responsibility. I mean, that's the whole sin model. You win against nature. You win against non god, you get punishment, and they recognize that. So they say, you know, you learned your lesson. We're gonna forgive you. We're gonna educate you further. Now come and join us on Sunday for the potluck dinner and eat some quality food that we grew ourselves.
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We are we are in agreement, though, that separation of church and state isn't in the constitution. That was the 1782
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letter to from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist. I'm just The only time that it just ends Yeah. And it didn't even recognize me. What they it didn't even really mean what people try and make it out to mean. It it it it's people have to take into account the that during that time period, the pilgrims are pilgrims that founded the country. They did so because the king of England had, written his own bible, the king James bible, and forced it out. Anglican bible. And so they were saying, you can't, by law, tell us religious things. And that's all that they were saying. They weren't they weren't saying that you can't be a religious person, that your your religion isn't gonna somehow, flavor all your decisions.
They were saying you can't make religious
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laws. And I'm I'm fine with arguing that enlightenment principles as a foundation
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for a republic are inherently destructive to that republic. That's a lot of education. I'm I'm okay with more education. My final point for tonight in this, epidemic debate and who we blame, we're all to blame because before each meal, we're supposed to take the time to lower our head, close our eyes, and bless the food. We're not blessing our food. Seriously, we're not blessing our food. We're not considering what's going into our mouth, and this is a personal responsibility to say, brother, sister in Christ, you know, you've had one slice of bread.
Share the wealth. You know, maybe don't have that extra cookie crumble. I I wanna bring up even the Mormon church and their, new business venture where they're making these really delicious cookies. They have this whole model where we used to call it a bakery, but now they're taking over. It's crumble without an e at the end of it. Have you heard of this? So, I mean, there's there are churches, and then there are churches. Some serve crumble cookies and use Panera Bread. But, really, it's ultimately the responsibility of the individual. And he all humor aside, it truly is the responsibility of the individual to choose if they go to church or not. If they if they play with a group of people who have like minded interests, and the interest is, hey. We're hungry, and we wanna eat food. If people don't go to the community meals because it's at a church, then they're missing out on a huge part of life. And
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I'll I'll say this Go ahead. I'll say my as my my final point is that well, first of all, I think Steve kind of really highlighted the fact that it's it's really chemical warfare, and it's coming from a lot of directions, and it is affecting our hormones. And that probably has more to do with why we don't burn the fat than, genetic or exercise or what we're doing or, you know, how we're eating. I would say that to show that it's a clear psyop is that they put out misinformation. First, they said it was fat, then they said it was carbohydrates, all under the guise of the government is doing something. So when you go look for information, oh, I need to stop eating less fat. I need to do the you know? By the time you figure out what it actually is,
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it's That's a pretty heavy presupposition
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that they knew that it wasn't fat that makes you more fat. But they did, and we can we can prove that. They knew, and we can prove that. I the there are multiple you know what? Here. Let me
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it, it it You want me to share that same one? For a moment. No. The same one or a different one? It's a a different screen. Let me I guess I can't help with the food pyramid. That was put together by a cattleman. I I get what that I I can't I can't defend against the food pyramid. You still get to you you know, and that's not what Steve's pulling up here. But No. The the the office equipment put that together. Like, if you if if you if I if you ask me to put together a health plan and it it's a, yeah, dab every day, all day.
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Yeah. This is from, James Corbett from 7 years ago, where they looked at a new study in PLOS biology, confirms three things that independent health researchers have been saying for years, sugar heavy diets are worse for you than fat heavy diets. Researchers have known this fact for decades. Now here's the thing. Let me, switch screens here real quick. This for decades. Yeah. I've known So there was a study that took place. It was a 3 year study, 1969, 1970, 1971. This is when they figured this out. The sugar was the, a major detriment to everyone's health. It is we're now, what, 55 years removed from that information.
This is something that has been proliferating throughout the scientific community. This here is a graph of sugar consumption over the last, 100 years. Okay? In 8 in 18/20, the average person consumed £20 of sugar on a year. In 2012, that's gone up to a £130 of sugar a year. These are things that we can actually track with data. So it's not a supposition. It's not a a fringe concept. I'd say for you telling me the part where they shoved it down people's throats, where the government where the people They didn't have to shove it down people's throats, Ben. What they did is they made it the majority share of everything that people consume.
Whether or not there was consent, whether or not there was information, they made it the basic working model for how society functioned. And that's something that is deliberate on the part of the state, the public private partnership. 0 citizens had an opportunity for public comment. 0 citizens had the opportunity to take it to their legislature to say, no. I don't want this. And in fact, when they did, they were shunned as tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.
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When, during this same time period, World War 2, like I said, you know, it's interesting how, you know, the that's just how the world works with the rise of one thing. You see the rise of another. While you're saying that they did this rise of this one thing, which I agree, I seem to recall during World War 2, this other popular program that the government, almost required, called the victory garden. And where the government very heavily said that, you need to grow your own food. That in fact, I believe that there was advertisements that went around that said all good Americans have backyard chickens. All those things were propagated, to the American people by the government.
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Yes. For 3 years, and they walked that back immediately. But, yes, you're you're absolutely right. As gardens or or chickens?
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It's getting close with chickens.
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Yeah. They're going to be the ponds and I think I think chickens are the gateway to conspiracy theory. Okay. You're right. I I think I think if you go and get a couple of chickens, you are immediately going to be like, why the heck are these eggs so much better than the eggs that I get at the store? How come the eggs at the store look like this? How come the food at the store looks like this? I can only encourage chicken ownership. I really can. I you'd never gonna get an argument from me on that. We did have we had a hemp for victory campaign during World War 2 as well, and that turned into a multinational, conglomeration of freaking drug lords that decided to take away your liberty, your individual rights, your freedom on the back end of that because as soon as the government promotes something that actually benefits the people, they get negative repercussions from it.
So once the government realizes that promoting individual liberty is going to backfire on them, they immediately go to war against it. So what did the government do in light of the on the back end of Victory Gardens? They said, no. We're going to have mass grocery stores. We're going to have a unified subsidized by the federal government farming system that eliminates the need for individual gardens, that eliminates the desire, that eliminates the individual
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responsibility on that level. Know that you're misrepresenting the subsidies quite a bit. Right? So the subsidized system that you're that you're that you're against actually, was I'm not I'm not gonna say that it worked out exactly the way they wanted to, but what the subsidies are what the purpose and the methodology behind it is supposed to be is that if that it the every market is gonna go through fluctuations. It's just how it is. And if the small farms, they go under during those fluctuations. And the large farms then rise during those fluctuations.
And so, in a very short time, you end up with a bunch of very large farms and no small farms. So the way those subsidies were intended to operate was it stabilized the market. So that way small farms always were able to keep to continually, stay in business and continually keep a decent price on their products. Where then the and the large farms, they were always gonna be able to
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work with the market. You know, you're my brother, but that's bullshit.
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That's absolutely true. That is the way that is the way that those were set up and the reasoning behind why they were set up. What subsidies
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did and what they were always intended to do was create a cartel of producers that would only buy out and absorb small independent farmers. I grew up in central Indiana. When I was a very young kid, there were multiple independently owned and operated farms all around my neighborhood. By the time that I graduated high school they all had the exact same corporate name under them because the subsidies for the big farmers is what allowed for them to absorb the smaller farmers. The smaller farmers couldn't compete, they couldn't take product to market except for having a little standout which I drove by on my bike every day when I rode to fucking grade school.
And I got instructions and $3 from my mom to make sure I brought back 18 years of corn, of freaking, like, sweet corn. Good. Indiana sweet corn. And that was the only place that you could get it was those last few remaining small independent farms. The rest of them had GMO Monsanto corn seed. The rest of them were subsidized to the hilt to where they didn't even really have to to work as hard as they had to do to create their crop because the crop That's not even subsidies, though. That's the GMC
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out. That's the GMC
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out. Put up the money on the back end in order to guarantee the subsidies.
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To to get it kick started, that but that's not something that was a running program. Like, the the the recent national policy, and it still is to this day. People went to Monsanto is because it's easy it's easy farming. It's you make the most money, and it's the easiest. Like, you can Subsidizing
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subsidizing would work if they were subsidizing healthy foods that sustained us. Moderator says
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subsidies and Monsanto are kind of a side argument maybe for another Tuesday. That's fair.
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Who made you the moderator?
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I did. I took personal custody and became the moderator. That's how that works.
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Oh, okay. I get it. I have the power. I love I love tonight because we've got Ben Balderson arguing on the side of the state and federal subsidies at 2 different occasions. This is fantastic.
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Well, I gotta disagree with you somehow. You know, that's the worst part. Alright. It's, you know, the the fact is is I don't disagree with anything, Steve's saying. I also don't disagree with my position that, entirely, but I don't disagree with his. Like like I said, I was I was obese at one point in time, and that was entirely, because of the pharmaceutical industry. And as soon as I bumped that off and started using natural medicine, I e switched over to cannabis to control my seizures rather than, using, Klonopin and Seroquel.
I immediately started dumping the weight off. So that was distinctly a medically driven weight gain. And not you know, the vast majority of America is on some pill of some sort, which has a a laundry list of side effects. I can't even for one second defend against the freaking pharmaceutical
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industry. They're just We can blame them right now for the obesity, the side effects of weight gain, to so many of these drugs that are prescribed to young children, children even?
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Ugh. Dude, I'm a skinny guy, and I and like I said, I went up to 200 I think I at the top of it, I was almost £265, And I usually run about a 150. And it's not like I eat, you know, like, I just got done having cookies and milk, and I eat a lot, but I eat healthy stuff that we grew. And I have my own milk cows, which, that one is definitely a point in contention. You boys are just straight wrong about that. Everybody's had milk cows all through history. It's it the a 2 a one milk cow is a new thing. And no. Nobody keeps an a one milk cow in their yard. A fucking Holstein's huge.
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Now Lola We all can see that by point. Steve knows
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Milk. Milk is racist. Milk is racist. Lola's Lola's downright pleasant. She comes up. She's a giant she's a oversized milk dog. Yeah. Lola is a big one. Consume cheese. We haven't even broke the topic of what people groups. I don't know what the word is. I don't think we say race anymore, but there's different people who look very different. And you could put them into certain groups to say, well, here's a group of people from this land, this geographical region, and they look different from this other group of people. And these different groups of people have different dietary restrictions because, for example, if they eat cheese, they die. I mean, is that terrible for them? They they their body can't process cheese. Other groups of people have different,
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diet. Call those people Jews.
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Yeah. Those are weak people, and they should have died.
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Well, I guess that's the end of the debate. We said the word and the people,
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and we got to the
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and we got to the final solution plan for this. Right? Yep. More cheese. More like those. The tables the tables have turned. I don't know any skittish, kiddish, kaboo, skibbity toilet, or any of the the new Zoomer words to bypass the sensors for saying these things. But, really, you know, the the children are the future,
[02:01:19] Unknown:
and we're gonna feed them right. Okay. But real quick, man. I just found out that one of the upstairs neighbors are directly across the hall called my dog skinny because my dog is not morbidly obese. Mhmm. You can see his hips and he is muscular as fuck.
[02:01:40] Unknown:
Dude, Gomez is a monster. Gomez is a monster. Like, that dude like, you could see when he the videos that Steve posts where he walks, you could see the muscles ripple underneath the skin just like Yeah.
[02:01:53] Unknown:
He eats, like, 2 thirds of a pound, if not a full pound of ground beef or some sort of meat every single day with potatoes and carrots and asparagus that I hand chop for him because I don't want to feed him fucking dog food.
[02:02:11] Unknown:
That's a debate topic you just touched on. We have that plan. We have many more debate topics
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in the works. Do we wanna move to the debrief and kinda Yeah. Let's do that. Thoughts? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But feed your dog raw meat every day. Do that, kids. It's good to know. And if you're gonna feed them dog food, which I do supplement with dog food, my dogs get what Steve's talking about. I can't get my dogs to eat asparagus. They won't eat it. Even the pig loves it, dude. Dude, even my pig won't you know what? It's weird because Scotty well, they take turns. Sometimes they'll like cauliflower. Sometimes they'll like broccoli. 1 of them will like cauliflower. 1 of them will like broccoli. It it's the weirdest shit, but never ever do any of them like asparagus.
Like and and we love asparagus here, and even the pig won't eat asparagus. Gomez goes fucking nuts for asparagus, dude. It's crazy. It's like his favorite thing. Canned or pickled?
[02:03:05] Unknown:
No. It's raw beef. Yeah. Raw. The he gets raw food every day, twice a day, and it's, look, probably close to, you know, £3 overall between either white sweet potatoes or some rice or something like that, carrots, asparagus, some other vegetable, and then raw meat. Yeah. I I
[02:03:29] Unknown:
Yeah. That's just They got this dog food called, there's an Arcana and another one, and it's just freeze dried animal organs pretty much. Are we arguing that? When you open the bag, it stinks so bad, but my dogs love it so much. Because they already had become that some people
[02:03:49] Unknown:
feed their pets, cats, or dogs better quality food 100%. Than they feed themselves? Definitely.
[02:03:56] Unknown:
Oh, then they feed themselves for sure.
[02:03:58] Unknown:
Yeah. They'll eat McDonald's while giving their dog what Steve's talking about.
[02:04:02] Unknown:
Yep. I've seen that. I've I've seen dogs on, diabetic medicine, insulin injections.
[02:04:11] Unknown:
What the fuck?
[02:04:12] Unknown:
Yeah. I knew a lot of
[02:04:14] Unknown:
people are gonna have a lot of dogs. Diabetic pets. Yes. He is. Wow. Yeah. They medic pets.
[02:04:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Diabetic pets.
[02:04:21] Unknown:
My my family for for, like until my dad started coming out to California and visiting me, the family the family rumor on my family was that I'm on meth because I'm so skinny. They're like and I'm like, I'm not so skinny. I have, like, fucking I have very large arms, and I'm very muscular. I'm just not fat. Like, I'm not, you know, a giant guy, but I'm just not fat. I'm like, I don't know anything about that. Do people,
[02:04:50] Unknown:
average Americans on the street, have an idea of what a healthy person, not on pharmaceutical medication, not, addicted to sugar and eating fast food, what an actual natural organic living man looks like and what that body shape looks like and its variations. We see Hollywood again with the Ozempic thing that South Park special was Yeah. Hilarious. Great. Hilarious. Watch that. Beautiful stuff.
[02:05:23] Unknown:
And then they tried to bring back like eating your own animals. Like, you know, all that whole thing with eating cats and everybody got all mad. Can't eat the,
[02:05:32] Unknown:
like, the pond ducks. Like the Haitian pond ducks.
[02:05:38] Unknown:
Nobody wants to eat you, you stinky shit.
[02:05:41] Unknown:
If illegal immigrants come to our country and service our own pets, then maybe that's what we deserve. Because our personal responsibility was so lax that it took the Haitians and their voodoo
[02:05:56] Unknown:
to overcome the feminists who were feeding us pumpkin spice. Look. If we get to a point where it's Haitians versus feminists, I'm totally supporting the Haitians.
[02:06:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I can't do the danger hair side. How do we get in how do we get in with them to get them into some debates?
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The absurdity will have to self correct itself. But for now, we continue to bait and enrage individuals to join us on deliberating dog face dudes to debate us face to face.
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Yep. Alright, guys. Good good talk. Have a good night.
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Love you, guys. Leave some comments on these videos, folks. Let us know when you're watching. To debate. You other people out here to debate.
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Welcome to this episode of deliberating dog face dudes. Remember when Barack Obama got demolished for mentioning arugula that one time? Even normalizing a tasty salad green was too much for political commentators, and that was back in 2007. Nobody seems to be talking salad greens since. Too politically risky, boring, and I don't know what I believe anymore. In preparation for this topic, I read that Mike Bloomberg tried stopping the sale of super ultra sized sodas in New York City, and then Coca Cola gave the n a NAACP, the n, double a, c p. Is that how we say that?
And the Hispanic Federation a couple of $1,000,000 to lead public opposition to it as an unjustifiable unjustifiable attack on the black and brown communities who rely on sugary drinks for their daily calories. Tonight, we will address a current and complex topic, personal responsibility in maintaining a healthy weight. The obesity epidemic is a very current problem, modern problem, that affects every man, woman, and child, and the debate surrounding it are mind boggling. Who or what is really responsible for this crisis? Maybe it's the individual, the food industry, or the environment including against mankind so that we all get buried and return to the soil.
We will examine these arguments and many others, so fasten your seat belts if you can fit in an airplane seat for reflections at altitude on how sexy celebrities are more important than the intention you pay to your doctor when you decide to talk about weight loss medications. We hear phrases like eat less, move more, but the reality is much more complex. Recent research has shown that factors such as gut health, genetics, and even the marketing strategies of the food industry play an important role in in our relationship with weight. For example, did you know that some antibiotics can lead to weight gain? This is not just a phenomenon observed in animals as it has also been observed in human animals.
This is a reminder that our bodies are influenced by many factors, most of which are beyond our direct control. Mankind is helpless in his modern day food oasis. Examples of excuses include, I'm on a new seafood diet. I see food, and I eat it. I'm in shape. Round is my shape. I won't sweat. I'll sparkle under pressure. In addressing this discussion, let's be open to dialogue and listen to both sides. We will examine the different influences on our health from social pressures and environmental factors to the emotional aspects of weight management. It is important to approach this topic with empathy and understanding, recognizing that each person's journey is unique.
We will explore the complexities of personal responsibility in the context of obesity and inspire a more nuanced conversation about health and well-being. Let's prepare to dive into our exciting debate topic tonight. Who's at fault for all this fat, and how can we take advantage of this obesity opportunity? Gentlemen, what say you?
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I don't recall that last part being part of the debate prop, but how do we take advantage? I'm not sure where that came from. I'm not prepared for this part. Well, I I guess I I don't know. If Ben Ben, if you don't have, an opening statement for you guys' side, I guess I'll I'll start. But if you do go Oh, definitely. We got a I've got an opening statement. I don't know if that I assume that Marcus has one also that was just like the show opener. And he would be starting so that way he could cut it off and clip it for the pod for, you know, the the pod amps and such.
So, yeah, you definitely go ahead and speak, and then I don't know if one of us wants to do an opening and then John and then one of us again.
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That's the debate format, gentlemen.
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So, so I'm I'm I'm side and then our side. Yeah. I'm I'm gonna concede upfront
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that, the individuals have the opportunity to take control of their health. It's a it's an uphill road, and it's something that the vast majority of Americans lack the education, the resources, the time, and the knowledge, how to do. I guess that's redundant because I said education. But having conceded that, there has been a 75 year ongoing war on our gut biome, on our overall health, and it is something that has been levied against the population. The best way that you could find a a corollary, is a war, an ongoing war, on our overall health, the physical, mental, spiritual, and that this is a deliberate attack that has allowed for a much more malleable, much more controllable population, a much more sedentary population to where even if people wanted to, you know, do civil war 2 point o and say if the selection doesn't go their way, they they're going to be less inclined to do that because their brains and their guts have been so loaded down with poison. This is something that started in earnest post World War 2 and has carried on, at increasing levels with increasing different products, Bernesian marketing, allopathic Rockefeller medicine, and poor schooling the entire way. It's not that we're necessarily, you know, all walking victims.
It's that everyone and every institution that we have been traditionally taught to look to for advice on this has been wildly informed, uninformed, bought off, paid for, and incentivized to extort these weapons, of effectively literally mass destruction, against us. I have a number of different things that I am eager to get into to support this claim, but if for the, time being, I I'll yield any of the rest of the time that would have been available for the opening statement. Happy to get into this.
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Go ahead, John. Let's do let's do your side and then our side.
[00:07:51] Unknown:
Yeah. I mean, I can't put it any more eloquently than Steve just did and has been let you guys know in the the early show. I'm not really prepared with data and all of that. But as a fat man who, has struggled with weight and, has tried to lose it, it gets harder and harder the older I get. And I've come to realize that this is silent weapons for quiet wars. This is the root of it. This combined with medicine. Right? Wasn't it someone who said let the let the medicine be thy food? Well, the food is poisoned, and it's the medicine is there to solve the the symptoms of the poisoning.
You know, Steve tied it into the end of World War 2. I have done a lot of research into hemp and how they made hemp illegal. And, you know, then they subsidized corn, and then we end up with, you know, the, high fructose corn syrup in basically 90% of the products in the store. And another point I wanted to bring up is that, you know, in the seventies when they started, noticing this, epidemic of obesity, which was cross genders, cross ethnicities, The solutions were already set up to come in with the artificial sweeteners and, you know, kind of the government's talking about it, but then someone in the background is giving us more misinformation, more disinformation, more false solutions, which even led to more health issues. So, definitely glad to be here with Steve, who I know is a wealth of information on, like, actual data and facts.
But, I do believe in individual, responsibility ultimately, but we're born into this. It's a drug that we're given from the time we're born, and we're addicted to it, and we don't know how to break free.
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Today, we we debate the obesity epidemic in the United States. Not that it exists with a staggering 42% of adults currently displaying obesity and 20% of children, but what is the root cause of of this? Looking at weight, there are 3 main factors. The amounts of food consumed, the quality of food consumed, and the activity of the person. The American lifestyle style of going fast and consuming convenience fast food is the first driving factor and coupled with the sedentary lifestyle has led to the shocking numbers of obese Americans we see today. Part of this lifestyle change was driven by workforce change.
As manual labor and manufacturing were shipped overseas, in 1990, adult obesity made up 11.6 percent of the population. 30 years later, at 42%, it has risen more than 1% per year. In this same time frame, see we see many cultural shifts dealing with the changing body image of a culture that simultaneously does less movement and consumes degrading quality of sugar laden foods. The fat acceptance movement took root, and rather than counter these changes with healthy changes, we insist we insist on glorifying BBW, big beautiful women, and dad bod's.
According to the CDC, 1 in 4 adults sits for more than 8 hours a day, and the average teenager spends 9 hours a day in front of a screen sitting. For the parents who gave up home time and responsibilities to have a life, screen time becomes an easy an easy babysitter setting the trend for a lifestyle of sitting and watching. The trend started in the 19 nineties and have at having a few after school programs to babysit the latchkey kids in the couple of hours until the parents got home to all day Disney and cartoons. This need to shirk parental responsibility and have the children out of their hair, but not causing trouble, married perfectly with the rise in screen time, style entertainment.
All of this lack of activity has somehow worn the American public out. So to reenergize from not moving, we see the rise of energy drinks primarily containing toxic amounts of sugar and natural uppers. Similar to a car, your body burns fuel according to the workload. Just running burns a certain amount of fuel and for a human that is sugars. The harder you work, the more you burn. So the lack of energy is not lack of fuel, and adding more fuel to a sedentary lifestyle, it only has one place to go. Americans in both the food and and the food they eat and drink they and the and the food and drink they consume and the amount of activity performed choose every day the path to obesity.
Rather than correcting course and switching to a more healthy lifestyle, Americans choose the emperor wears no clothes path and will insist fat is beautiful, plus size is normal and healthy and healthy, and that there is something mean and evil for you to say otherwise. Americans refuse to make the healthy changes they know will lead to a healthy body. Instead, you must just adjust your perception of reality.
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So my intro is a little bit shorter here. Basically, talking from my personal experience as a lifelong thin man. So I will concede that it is difficult in this current modern climate with, you know, frankenfood ingredients, GMOs, and all of that, but it's not impossible. There still exists access to farmers markets, fruits and vegetables, this type of thing. So I argue that we cannot give up and accept, you know, obesity in quotes, whatever obesity means. Is that definition even set in stone at this point? Is it based off of, you know, the BMI, the body mass index? Is that going to change definitions as we've seen with other, so called diseases or pandemics, and they are calling this an epidemic.
So who do I blame for this epidemic? You know, I blame the individual, this idea that man is an island and man is separate from everyone else. The individual is separate and stands apart from the crowd. If the crowd is all going to fast food places, it's difficult for one man to make healthy decisions, to say no to, you know, high carb, pizza dinners and frozen foods and this type of thing. Just just say no. There there is a sizable portion of the population that is into fitness and training and going to the gym. So it might just be a larger segregation, and there's this aspect of a filtering process where, you know, maybe the strong are getting stronger, the healthier are getting healthier.
And then due to unknown circumstances, which will probably present in the argument tonight, there are factors that are attributing to certain people in the population who are suffering worse than others. Are they to be held personally responsible? Yes. Are they to be treated as equal as an adult to say that they are capable of taking personal responsibility? No. But because there's parts of the population that seems to not have personal responsibility and exercise self control, I don't wanna see overstep and overreach in reducing the freedoms of other people who are on good behavior, who do eat well, and occasionally like to have a little bit of a snack.
That's my point.
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Yeah. So so let's let's let's get into some of this. And in order to understand how we got fat as a nation, it's vitally important to understand the role that the federal government has played into this along with some of the more notorious figures throughout history. Least of which, are are John d Rockefeller and what we all recognize as the allopathic model of medicine. When you go to become a doctor, there are 2 things that you spend your entire medical school career on less than everything else. 1 is nutrition. The other is possible adverse effects from vaccines. These are just not discussed at all in medical school. The average med school student spends less than 20 minutes of their entire educational career on nutrition.
So you, me, John, Ben, we know more about nutrition than the average doctor because we've looked into it ourselves, and we've done that research. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Americans take their kids to a pediatrician where the pediatrician gives them the little pliers test and figures out if they're pudgy or not, determines their, you know, body mass index, this, that, and the 3rd. And then prescribes them varying different medications or a food pyramid schedule that is one of the most nefarious con jobs on a population in history.
The miseducation of the vast majority of the country. And, again, I am I'm gonna concede upfront that there are outliers to this. There are fitness enthusiasts. There are people who go out of their way to try to live a healthy clean lifestyle. But unfortunately, this is an outlier in the overall population because the overall population is effectively subjugated into what amounts to a 60 hour work week where you have very, very little time in your own life to unless you've made a conscious decision to separate yourself from what is considered normal, prepare and cook healthy meals.
The these are de facto outliers for the general population. So the general population since early 19 fifties, but it really started exploding in the 19 sixties and going forward, have been, mass marketed and had forced upon them heavily processed foods, foods that effectively strip healthy fats from them. It's not that fats are bad for you. It's not that meats are bad for you. It's that we have a bastardized food pyramid that is taught in every single school, in every single elementary school. Here's what you need to do. You need 6 to 11,
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units of grains, of bread. Is that still taught in school? I I 100%. Legitimately die. I don't know because I'm down to grandkids. My grandkids are almost in high school now, so I'm not even sure anymore.
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Yeah. So when when my youngest before we got them the fuck out of public school, when my youngest was in public school for a couple of years, they were still teaching the food pyramid. As as fact. And we can get into the history on that, and I'd be happy to do it. But I'm just trying to make a couple of quick points upfront, and then, you know, hopefully, we can have a conversation going forward. So we have been not just mass marketed to, but effectively brainwashed. And then because of the way that has been pointed out, the labor force has shifted over the last 60, 70 years from a significantly less agrarian to a significantly more industrial workforce where people are spending far too much time seated in front of their, you know, in front of their computers or at a cubicle or whatever.
That has resulted in a, you know, a significantly more sedentary population. I would also argue that that is intentional. Let me pull up my notes here real quick so that I can rebut and or refute a couple of these points. Come here. Come here. Oh, so I did we both Ben and Marcus highlighted Sugar. And Sugar is a an international conspiracy that I am, again, more than happy to get into as we further flesh out this conversation. But that is not sugar intake in and of itself is not what is making Americans obese and making them incapable of losing the weight. There are a ton of fat people that go to the gym, that work out, that eat healthy, that proportionally and this is consistent almost across the board. There is very little difference in the actual day to day intake of food between a morbidly obese person and a healthy active fit individual.
The problem is that your body's hormones are what regulate your ability to process or and or store fat. And there is zero education that takes place around this. The, insulin in and of itself is one of the body's most important hormones. And the only time you ever hear it addressed is after the fact when somebody has been diagnosed with diabetes. There are a whole bunch of chemical compounds that make up insulin just like there are a whole bunch, of chemical compounds that make up the other couple of chemicals that regulate whether or not you're able to store fat or process it. There is zero education about this in any American institution outside of quote, unquote, fringe holistic medicine in institutes.
The the fact that this has been kept from the public at large, that you only once a decade get a 60 minutes report on it or something like that in the mainstream media. And it was the mainstream media itself, New York Times in 2011, that came out with a report saying hormone regulation is critical to whether or not you're fat. That is something that gets so swept under the rug. And again, I maintain that, yes, wow, individuals can make a choice to eat better, to exercise more, to dedicate their life to fitness, if they're missing the critical component from their, you know, from their health journey, they're never going to lose the weight. There are people who work out 3, 4, 5 times a week that are in the gym that are just as fat now, maybe £20 less.
Maybe. But if you're morbidly obese, that's not gonna help you any. Yeah. Because they haven't been taught that hormone regulation and your hormones being out of balance are the critical component to your eventual weight loss. And I do maintain that this is a deliberate thing. I do maintain that multiple industries thrive on unhealthy Americans, not just the highly federally subsidized farmers, not just the highly federally subsidized ranchers, but the pharmaceutical industry along with a number of the mega corporations who are in fact just kind of 1 mega corporation that when you break it all down and see who's part of who's board and this, that, and the third, that, would prefer us to be unhealthy, prefer us to be prone to depression, prefer us to be dependent on more and more products from all of these same companies.
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Stelly ovation.
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What Steve said.
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Yeah. I know. Steve's gonna have to learn Steve's gonna have to learn time slots.
[00:25:51] Unknown:
I mean I just wanna say I just wanna add a little something on on top of Steve, because, I mean, again, he's covering everything. But, you know, the process of waking up, I mean, we're born into this world where it's just total illusion fed to us all the time, 247. And, you know, you you as you wake up, a lot of people do wake up through looking at health, and they start discovering all of these things that Steve's talking about. And that kinda leads them to this ultimate conspiracy that's going on, which is to dumb us down, weaken us, make us, you know, just more prepared to go to the slaughter, or just do nothing.
If you add in the the entertainment industry on top of that, it it definitely is coming at us all at once, you know, and it it all seems to be connected that they all all of these, psyops are meant to, attack us and and keep us weak and keep us unable to fight back. So, to try to wake people up, I mean, for me, it's like, yeah. I'm waking up and I'm spiritually awakened and I understand. I kinda see what's going on. But to actually take that next step, to have that self discipline, again, I agree it's all on it is all on the individual, and I think that's the truly the way that we win. But if government is gonna function in a way that can improve it, then, they could start, you know, educating people on this, but, obviously, they won't. This is where I'd like to step in and and recognize that
[00:27:32] Unknown:
all of our backgrounds seem to come from the same place of looking for truth, maybe a truth or movement position, or researching what's behind the news. There's also this added element today of conspiracy content. So we are so entrenched in this conspiracy content even to the point of having, you know, a 2020 hindsight situation where everyone's waking up. We even use the same language over and over again. Everyone's waking up. Everyone can see the conspiracy. Everything is a sigh up. Everything is, you know, it's the elites, the government, the the people at the top of the pyramid, the 1%. They have all the money. They're keeping us dumb and stupid.
Sure. So I want to now push back against that and say, if that is our presupposition, I think we're maybe blind to the situation or we only see this obesity epidemic, this obesity disease as the result of the quiet weapons for was it silent words or something like it? It's a government program that the the military has been designing these soft kill weapons over time to make people stupider, more passive. Okay. Sure. So now I'm gonna just jump in and say, we know that. That information is available to all of us. When I was in elementary school and I realized that there were people in the world who were bullies, that were bigger and stronger than me, and I had to defend myself. I had to become funnier. I had to become sexier. I had to become smarter. If I was gonna get a Valentine from the cutest, blonde haired I think she was Mormon or her parents were some strange religious. It was a mystery to me, and I was ready to conquer that 2 year old, 2nd grader. Not she's not a 2 year old. Now I'm setting traps for myself here. Alright.
So the point being, from a very early age, I discovered that Santa Claus isn't real, that that's a lie. The next thing I realized that there wouldn't be an equal opportunity outcome for every person. This idea that somehow Christians were going to rise above it all and choosing the proper Christian faith and denomination and church would be key to the club. And then I realized, well, there's there's a Mormon church, and there's a church of Scientology. There's other competing churches that have their own self interest in mind. So the point here is that when we find out, when we wake up to the reality that there's a food war happening, that we have frankenfood, and that our diet and nutrition is so important to our survival, we already have the idea of the survival of the fittest.
We recognize that. To be able to push back against, you know, the evolutionary, the social Darwinism, the economic Darwinism, this idea of the best rise to the top, the strongest man gets to marry a woman. Recognize that fact. That's how it works when you test it and function. So to live in a fairy fairy fairy tale world where everybody is beautiful, everyone gets to be accepted for who they are, and we can't have an adult conversation to recognize people's strengths and weaknesses, and that some people have an abundance and overcapacity of strengths, charm, charisma, and the ability to provide for their family.
That is is that not the American dream that we're living?
[00:31:04] Unknown:
Well, yeah. But these are individual
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characteristics that Dave, we're not at that part yet. It's my turn. Hold your panties. The second hour's rebuttal open like that. Fine.
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Oh, I was ready to kick a hole in that.
[00:31:26] Unknown:
I know. I saw it. You were on fire. So Mar Marcus did a fine job of, displaying the personal accountability portions of that and whatnot, which is our position. So I'm gonna spend my time more kicking a hole in Steve's and John's. And so when we look at, what has happened to the food industry, much of that was driven by the consumers. When the consumers decided that they did not any longer need to take a hand in their own food and the only time that they needed to was when they were gonna eat it, that shifted things to a need for commercial production.
Now I'm gonna use milk as the perfect example because many of us and and we're gonna almost Andrew Wilson the hell out of each other here because we've we all pretty much agree with each other's positions is the worst part. So, you know, we're not conceding out of being dickheads and trying to be him and trying to just use that tactic. We just actually agree with each other. It's hard to argue some of these things. And these fuckers keep bringing up pharmaceuticals, and I can't argue the intentionality of that at all. That's not the food industry.
But, when you look at milk, everybody will say, and and rightly so, that milk is dead. That they pasteurize it, that it's now a dead product. Now now it does not contain the things that are gonna help your gut biome process it. Because of that, as Steve rightly pointed out, he didn't point this out with milk, but rather than with milk, like what he was talking about with stripping out the fats and things like that, milk now instead of giving you, nourishment and starts stripping calcium because it's trying to bind up the things to cover the dead things. And so you can look at that as a very intentional evil thing. Now here's where the problem comes in. When we all still want milk but we don't wanna have a cow, I personally have cows.
And I go down and I milk my cow. And then I bring my milk up in a nice little bucket and we strain it and put it in the fridge. Without pasteurization, about 4 days later, that milk is funky. Nobody likes funky milk. So for me to take and get that milk from the the cow through the bottling plant, because we're gonna skip pasteurization, we're gonna say that part's out, Through the bottling plant, distributed to the stores. It sits in the store for a few days before it hits your fridge. And you want it to sit in your fridge for at least a few days before it turns into freaking, you know, tasting more sour than buttermilk.
So this desire of the consumers to still have this thing, but not take the responsibility that is required to have that good thing. There's there was a need to account for that. And that's that expanded across most industries. When people say things like organic food shouldn't be more expensive than these foods they're using all these processes and chemicals on. That's just not having ever farmed. As an organic farmer, I have to go out and buy hand deal with any kind of plants that I don't want in certain areas because I permaculture grow.
It's not monocropped, which is part of this whole deal because we're doing monocropping in order to be able to take something like a combine and whip it down a field and harvest an entire field in a day. Something that by hand would take weeks for many many people. Weeding takes weeks for many many people. If I mono crop and I commercial grow, I can whip down that field with a plane. I can do all the fields I own and have the neighbor pay me to do his. It's that much faster and that much easier to get you people the food you refuse to take responsibility for.
I know growing food is hard, but you can. And then we let things like city councils push us around, and we stay in these city laden areas. Well, guess what? Living in the country is cheap. Always has been. You can own a plot of land for a fraction of what you pay for rent in the apartment in the city. You go down to the bay, 2 months apartment rent or buy your own land. Live in a shithole for a little while. Build it up. Have some gumption. Have some self control. It's all your choice, but people don't want that. They want the ramen beep beep beep in the microwave. Boom.
Boom. They want it to say weight watchers. It's healthy. I'm eating healthy. Boom. In the microwave. Beep beep beep. I can't help that, and that's all entirely self responsibility.
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I'll just say real quick. When you say consumer driven, I would just argue that that's driven by propaganda and false information from
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government and health officials. Did that propaganda make you want milk when we've had milks in our whole entire in the entirety of society?
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It does a body good.
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There's milk cows have been part of society always. That's that's a traditional thing that's always happened. Every family had one. That's what an oxen actually was. The definition of an oxen is typically a milk cow. Why did so many people have oxen? Because they had milk cows sitting around. Because of milk in all kinds of cows in all kinds of traditions is is, one of the very first animals that are known to be interacting and living symbiotically with man. So the government didn't make you want the milk. That's always been a thing. You gave up the cow, but still wanted the milk, but want me to respect that that's not on you.
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Okay. So let's let's unpack a little bit of this. And and firstly, you know, there's the reality that the human body is much more attuned to process goat milk than cow's milk in the first place. The the cow's milk has been something that has only in the last, I don't know, like, what, 8 1000 years or so. Remember that scene in lock stock in 2 smoking barrels when they're in the car? Oh. They're talking about it. He ends up throwing the freaking thing on the thing. And You need more study on milk, bro. You're wrong. I have. I've I've looked at a number of studies on milk, and I looked at a handful of you're talking about is a one milk.
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What you're talking about is a one milk, the commercialization.
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Argue that a two milk isn't superior. A two milk is definitely superior. I will agree with you on that. But you're The reality though is that the vast majority of the population lives in a heavily urban area because that's where the jobs are. Ben says, just go buy land. Do you have the credit to do that? Can you get the loan approval to do that? Whose banks do you have to go through before you're able to get that loan processed? Most Americans can't do that because we've been saddled with debt from basically birth. It is incredibly hard for you as just a random schmo who doesn't have family that can cosign, who doesn't have somebody who can put up a little bit of nut for the property in the 1st place in order to help you facilitate that. If you're fortunate enough at 22 years old to have been working since you were 12, 14, something like that, and stocked away a little bit of cash for a down payment, good on you, you're winning.
I celebrate that. I encourage that, and I would love for more people to be taught fiscal responsibility at a young age so that's something that they could prepare for, but that's not the reality that we live in. And we do live in a reality of instant gratification culture, which again is something that has been imposed on the population as opposed to something that the population would have selected had they been given an opportunity. Now the there's a couple of different things here. Let me pull up my notes. I'm trying to keep notes while we're doing all of this. Let's see.
The consumers opted out of a traditional model. No. The traditional model was removed from the consumers. Once people, were effectively forced into large urban populations because that's where all of the work was. All of the work, not just some of the work because clearly, there there's a a portion of the population that is state and rural areas and does rural jobs and farms and drives trucks and bales hay and all of that. So there's still a, yeah, a portion of the population that does that. But if you want to sustain yourself, if you want to be able to make an income, if you want to be able to have a family, the vast majority of your opportunities lie in urban populations. If you're going to take that route where you want to be able to to make an income, you are de facto effectively forced into an urban environment.
I will grant upfront that there are farmers markets that take place in in major cities everywhere. There are. They're, ridiculously expensive, and they're we can get into why they're ridiculously expensive if you want to at some point in the conversation. But the economic reality is that the vast majority of Americans have been pushed into a situation where it's not even the grocery store, it's Dollar General. This is anecdotal, okay, and I'll grant that this is anecdotal, but we're the part of Gold Country where my ex wife and my kids currently live.
There are 3 grocery stores in the area. You have to travel, 45 minutes one direction before you get to a quote unquote hippie grocery store where even what passes as organic has changed dramatically over the last 15 years. And what qualifies technically as organic ain't. It is also incredibly, inhospitable soil without massive augmentation, which comes at a significant cost, which most of the people in that community can't afford in the first place in order to augment their soil to the point to where they could be able to grow quality organic vegetables.
The 3 grocery stores are Walmart, Dollar General, and Safeway. That's it. There may be an organic section in those grocery stores, but again the requirements for what is and isn't organic have changed so dramatically that you're allowed a certain amount of arsenic in your food, and it still qualifies as organic. Ben is highly fortunate
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in that Organic just means carbon bearing.
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Yeah. That's all it is. No. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. But, Ben is highly fortunate in that he'd had the opportunity to secure a property in California. He turned that property into a couple of more and is fucking doing absolutely incredible only through grit, determination, hard work, and, fucking, fuck you attitude towards anyone or everyone who would try to interfere with that. That's a rarity. It used to be a commonality, but it's currently a rarity. And I I do. I've got nothing but love and respect for Ben for doing that and for showing people that it can be done if the cards fell your way in the first place in order for this to happen.
Again, the vast majority of the population doesn't have, a, those opportunities, b, those resources, c, the education necessary to do it, we could. Again, my whole half of my whole point here is that the miseducation of the country is what is allowed for this to proliferate in the first place. So there's, you know, all different kinds of avenues that we can go down, and I am 100% for individuals making individual choices to better themselves. You need to have the the wherewithal in the first place to understand that you've been lied to. I think we would all agree that we are America's biggest minority in the quote unquote truth community.
There are far less of us that have really freaking deep dived on this shit in order to try to get to the heart of the matter Then there are people who have been pushed into a situation where it's work, check out for the day because that's the only coping mechanism that you have. Even if that even if your check out for the day is I'm gonna go to the gym for an hour and a half. If you don't have whole health knowledge, you're not gonna lose any weight. You may gain some strength. You may gain some endurance, but you're not gonna lose the weight. The subject of the night, the prompt is obesity.
If you don't have your hormones regulated and imbalanced, and I would I would be shocked if 10% of the country knew that fat storage is regulated solely by or predominantly by hormones rather than any other aspect of diet, exercise, the good food, this that. It's down to hormones. And I I would basically promise you that less than 10% of the country is aware of that. We've been shown a false food pyramid. We've been shown, false, you know, the got milk campaign, where they're trying to push pasteurized a one milk on absolutely everyone as a subsidized governmental policy nationwide, not just through advertising and marketing, but at elementary school and on.
The school lunch program is probably one of the driving factors of the obesity epidemic. And it doesn't matter what Big Mike tried to do when you know Herbich was president, it doesn't matter the the oh let's do healthy foods, no you're subcontracting with quote unquote organic farmers that are putting crap pesticides into their food that get to deplete the the nutrients inside of the food. There's no education around on what makes food healthy and what makes food healthy once it gets into your body. We have been deliberately put into this position, and if you want any evidence of that, there are 92 countries right now that won't let Monsanto operate in their country.
There's only a couple of countries on the planet that will accept Monsanto products, the United States being the biggest one. Certainly, there's a concerted effort on the part of our homegrown oligarchy to make us this way. And when we have potential for diabetes, when we have potential for heart failure, when in and if we really get into sugar and or aspartame, you guys are gonna get cooked because it's been a 100% deliberate effort to put these products and chemicals and poisons into not just us, but our children, into our parents.
I'm gonna go ahead and and say that the baby boomers are the dumbest and most destructive generation that this country has ever seen, and the the fact of the matter is that most of these food based quote unquote conspiracies, but really you know psychological and physical warfare operations started post World War 2, really kicked into high gear as the baby boomers were coming, of age. Prior to that, we were a much more rural population. Yeah. In fact, when I was the first house that I grew up in, in Kendallville, Indiana, I had an icebox, and we had a milkman.
And the icebox had a door that opened up to the outside of the house so that the milk man could come by and put quality a 2 milk into the ice box. And that that was a thing at least up until 1981, but it ceased to be a thing post 1981. And there has been a signal I have got all kinds of graphs and stuff like that if I'm allowed to share screen at some point, I could show you the various different times through throughout the last 65, 70 years where all of these things really came into effect. And, again, I wanna make it perfectly clear that I do concede that the individual has a responsibility for their own health and any individual can take responsibility for their own health. It is the deliberate miseducation, the deliberate propaganda, and the deliberate weaponization of various different chemicals in various different foods along with people being forced into food desert communities where there's no such thing as a farmer's market for 15 miles.
And if you're locked into a situation through circumstance or through birth where you're not physically capable to go and, get yourself to an organic grocery store, you are by default subjected to the food that is being served in front of you. Format.
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Since Steve's not used to the debate format.
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We don't have a moderator with a timer. Have a timer. If we had a timer, I'd be way I'd be way better about that. You tell me I got 2 minutes, I can gauge that in my head. We're letting you go. Figure about 5 is usually what we always go. I we forget this is only your 2nd week, Steve. I don't think I want more than 5 minutes on that. Oh, no. You you're you're, like, 10
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minutes. It's fucking late. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. Little over 5. A little over 5. A little over 5, Riley.
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Yeah. But like Marcus said, we're letting them letting them cook. You know? Yeah. Cook. He's getting it. He's getting it. Cooking his own food.
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So I I jump in there and say, you know, I hear blame Monsanto, blame Walmart, blame Safeway, blame Dollar General, blame the soil. Steve and John, do you argue that modern urban city, suburban living is the cause of obesity? And will you concede that not everyone in America will succeed to reach their ideal body shape and and weight and measurement, and not everyone's gonna get to that moderate BMI range. So statistics be damned. It's just the healthy living. So so the healthy living ideal might not be available to every person. Is is that what we're talking about here? And if you're arguing that the USA, America, the government is to blame for allowing Monsanto free range over Americans, Is this just another argument to state that it's the personal responsibility of the of the individual to recognize this and then leave the SIOP states of America and go to some place where they can grow their own food?
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I would just argue that you when when you wake up and you realize there's a problem, you realize you're at war, you're in, like, in debt, and you're in a place where, yeah, I'd like to leave, but I've got a lot of things here keeping me here and making it much more difficult to actually get up and go. So yeah. I mean, I would say that the modern cities probably add to that. Like, look at Ben's situation. I mean, he was raised in a specific way where he had these skills. I wasn't. You know? I was raised in the suburbs, in the city. I wasn't taught the value of those things. So now as an adult learning that I need to develop these skills, it's a much more uphill battle to just say, oh, yeah, individual discipline or I gotta get up and go. And, you kinda like 1 foot in, 1 foot out. You know, I mentally see the issue, but I'm also stuck in the midst of it, in the muck of it. And, so yeah. I mean and and again, we're a small percentage of people that are waking up. We go try to tell people this stuff, and they say, well, you're not a doctor.
Right? And then we look here 19 twenties, Edward Bernays got hired by, beech nut packing company because they wanted to sell more bacon. Well, bacon isn't just a normal thing. We just want for breakfast. Actually, back then, we didn't even really eat breakfast. So Bernays said, well, 45,000 physicians urge Americans to eat heavy breakfast to improve their health. Well, back then, I guess we were, like, intermittent fasting, and we were actually breaking our fast, you know, past noon. So that's not a normal occurring thing. That's something that they used the the medical industry to influence people to think that this was the right thing for your health.
I don't think it was, the the public just wanting that. It was clearly put there to make us unhealthy, make us consume more, maybe help them make more money. I'm sure that's a big part of it too. But it seems more nefarious than that when you put everything together.
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Now I'm afraid to talk.
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No. We'll move to the back and forth after I get done. Because this is basically we did the opening statements, and now this round, sometimes we do a 3rd round. But, this is part of why I love having Steve here, though. Because, like, even though Steve and I basically agree with everything the other one's saying, it still seems like a fucking fight. Yeah. But Steve and I don't know how to fight. It
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has the it has the the bite to it. We have to defend our positions even if we don't want to defend them.
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And so going where, Steve did with using a a personal more personal situations, both Steve and I have made it to the positions of speakers that get to go out and, be in the public, and we're known people. And so we get the opportunity to be behind the scenes, get to meet people. They share their lives with us. We meet the other speakers. And if what Steve said held true, I would find that all the speakers, especially myself being a being an alchemist, so making a lot of natural medicines, that you would find that all the speakers in the natural health community would be very fit people. And that is not the case.
When, they talk about when Steve talks about you need to move into the city to have to try and have kids and and yada yada, poor people have more kids than wealthy people. Poor people have more kids than middle class people. You move out to these rural areas, they're punching out the mostest kids. You like, that was me. And so the this life where where Steve said that, I was in the right position, I really didn't. I was a dumb shit a lot, but I just refused to give. I had a kid by the time I was 17 with my then high school girlfriend.
I was barely 17 when that kid came out. I joined the army. I was so far ahead of my high school credits that I was able to choose to go to Votec, and I could have either had half the day off of school or go to Votec and and gain an automotive degree. And I chose to get the automotive degree, then I chose to join the army. And when I was 17, I worked 2 jobs and went to high school. And I was in the army, and I went to boot camp between my junior and senior year. So part of that deal included having to have grades that were substantial enough to justify me being in high school and doing this.
And so I had to carry a grade level that was substantial enough. Then after high school, yeah, I did the what Steve said. I busted ass. It was, you know, I've been to prison. I've, I grew up extremely poor. I had no money. I was given the same propaganda. I'm not sure that I would put a strong did they know better? Because here's a fact with the with the world today. If Christy and I followed the same diet, we would not do well. Now there isn't a lot of people that are out of real privy to the blood type diet, but, specifically, I don't do well eating meat. I'm a vegetarian. A lot of people wouldn't guess that about me, but I and I don't do well eating meat.
My body as a a as an a blood type, I don't produce the the pieces that that are required to digest heavy meat. And if I eat that, a blood types are more prone to gout. This isn't something that was known, and even today, it's not commonly known. Now my wife, when we met, she was a vegetarian. She ended up her nails got thin. Her hair was falling out. She had super thin hair. Her teeth were falling out, breaking off in pieces. She had to move, and she now eats meat. And not anywhere near what the food pyramid tries to claim that that was insanity. I don't disagree that the cattle ranchers, association, had a lot to do with that particular thing.
But once again, as Marcus pointed out, we're given all kinds of misinformation. Some of it intentional, some of it not. It is on you. It's the it's this idea that we get to push an autopilot button and let everybody else make our choices for us is where we're at a strong impasse here. Because you're saying, oh, it's not our fault, but also somebody else do it for me. And the two things can't exist at the same time.
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Well, I'd like to point out and make the argument for, you know, people with diabetes or other health issues. They recognize they need to monitor their blood levels. I think everybody needs to monitor their blood levels. Everybody needs to know what's going in, what it's doing, and how it's going out. That's personal responsibility. The hell are you monitoring in your blood levels? What what are you talking about right now? Okay. Test strips. Test strips. Am I misunderstanding what a test strip does when people go and prick their finger? They test the glucose. I would prick my finger. I'm not saying you need to prick your finger. But the point is there are people that have medical conditions and their requirements for, you know, pricking their finger, testing their blood, taking their insulin shot, maintaining these types of things.
Question is, how is that any different from an individual who discovers that their body mass index or BMI is above the target level, and now the doctor says your goal is to reduce that. So if it's monitoring a caloric intake, is that the solution? Other health can other health people, you know, I don't know if I'd call them disabled or whatever. The they have a chronic condition. They have a condition. The doctors recognize that they have a condition. Their family recognizes they have a condition. They buy their groceries based off of what the dietary restrictions are, and then they have to test, for example, glucose levels. We mentioned hormones and those types of things. Are there tests for regulating the harm for determining where the hormone levels are? And if not, is that an opportunity for some new business to sprout up and say, hey. There's a there's an obesity opportunity here.
Businesses, I don't care if they're in China or anywhere, can recognize that, hey. Americans have a need. This is a serious thing. Right? This is free enterprise. Let the business determine the solution, and then people can make money out of this thing.
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Well, the the money has all been incentivized to the pharmaceutical industry to treat symptoms and to mitigate, further symptoms rather than cure or solve any problems. I think we could all agree that we don't have a health care industry. We have a sick care industry. And the immediate side effect or the immediate effect of that is a focus on treatment rather than solution. Because if you can continue treatment, you have a permanent customer base. If you have people that are making informed decisions on their own without propaganda influence, then you lost a customer.
If an entire community does that, you lost an entire customer base. So because of the public private partnership that exists currently, there is, again, it's outliers that walk away from this system. Even the people who are out here promoting various different diets never talk I've never heard a health and fitness influencer mention ghrelin as one of the key hormones in your body that regulates fat storage. Not once, not ever. I have heard them discuss cortisol, I have heard them discuss insulin. You know, so I'll even grant that 2 thirds of the hormones that are necessary for fat storage or that regulate fat storage do get discussed, but ghrelin is more important than cortisol in terms of fat storage, never mentioned.
And I don't know if that's deliberate on health influencers or if they lack the exact same education that 99.9 percent of Americans also lack in this aspect. I maintain also lack in this aspect. I maintain that that is something that has been deliberately eliminated from the conversation in order to keep us in this condition. There there's, man. It it's crazy to me to to have this conversation in general without discussing the impact or I know that I know that I brought it up, but without discussing the impact that hormone regulation necessitates and drives your ability to actually lose weight. You can spend I don't I don't deny that though.
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But it your hormones would be right if you ate right.
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I could care less what's going on with my hormones because I eat good food. So let me paint a picture for you then. Let me paint a picture for you then because the even if you're even if you're quote unquote eating good food, your body may not be processing it correctly because your hormones are out of balance. You can have a minor magnesium deficiency and your body won't process food in the same way that it would be if your magnesium levels weren't up. All of these various hormones, insulin, cortisol, ghrelin, they are all made up of various different nutrients. If you're nutrient deficient in any way, shape, or form, it's going to dysregulate your body's ability to process food.
This requires
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I'm not like you're talking about being an adult and watching you're regulating your intakes of things and watching what's going on. Okay. So what tools are available
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to the average American in order for them to regulate their macrominerals, their microminerals, their macronutrients, their micronutrients, what education is being given to people in order to have this, you know,
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what you I guess you would consider base general knowledge. I hear you, Steve, and that sounds to me like an opportunity for people who have Internet. You talked earlier about how people have to get jobs, and all the jobs are in the city. Balderson over here lives in the middle of nowhere. He has Internet can work from home. So maybe Balderson needs to create a course where he teaches when We've established that he's an outlier, though. Well, he is, but I'm talking specifically No. I like it. The argument that people have to get jobs and they have to drive to work in a building in a city. That's been disproven with the whole work from home thing where people have home offices, computers, Internet access, and create the exact, education that you're saying doesn't exist, and they can become wealthy by creating the curriculum, selling the curriculum.
And then also, if this is more a diagnostic problem, then scientists and technology entrepreneurs can create test strip programs at home. We discover, hey. There's lead in the water. Now we can go test the lead in the water. I can get a blood, test kit at home and determine what my blood type is. More of these types of tests and diagnostic stuff so more medicine can be done at home. That's a solution. I'm talking solutions. Yeah. I'm asking you, who are you blaming for the obesity epidemic in America. I'm not concerned about solutions at this point. I'm specifically focusing on who do we blame. And per our last discussion last week, we discovered that using a court system to sue or bring McDonald's to court for their quality of food or not labeling it properly or having secret ingredients. If KFC has secret ingredients in the chicken recipe for their drumsticks, and we don't know what that is, and that's the cause of obesity, and we can bring them to court and sue them, then we can hold them personally responsible as a corporation.
Who do we blame and what how do we blame someone and then get some reimbursement, some,
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what's the word, you know, get a check money in the mail? I don't know if we get reparations for it, Marcus. I don't. I I really don't. However, we there there are a couple individuals we can blame. We can blame a man named Ancel Keys. K? Ancel Keys is the guy who came up with the food peer pyramid. Let me is it okay if I share screen? Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. Let me let me get make sure I'm on the right tab. I got, like, 8,000 tabs open. Here we go. Alright. So let's get into this a little bit. Alright? And before we get into Ancel Keys, you know, there's there's some decent, you know, cursory information.
Backdrop to the story of the food pyramid begins in post war 19 fifties America. Deaths from competing causes, namely war and infection, have drastically reduced. You can also point that to an increase in what is known as, a judge trauma and field medicine, which is what makes up the bulk of allopathic western medicine. It's immediate, let's just stop the bad, the biggest bad, and then we'll figure the rest out as we go.
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Same time trying to argue with you on medicine at all, bro. I'm not even trying to argue with you on it. The snake and that more people listen to the snake oil salesman than not, that's still on them. We used to know people used to know better than the than to take the snake oil. So let's well, the the
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proliferation of that particular type of propaganda wasn't available. It wasn't that they didn't know better. It's that they weren't being given a different line of bullshit in order to be sold on. The with the rise of mass media, with the rise of television, with the rise of commercials that drove television, you got more exposure to this particular type of propaganda. So again, it's not that they didn't it's not that everybody knew better. But during the same, did an equal rise of education availability
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not happen?
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One more time. I'm sorry.
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During the same periods, I I don't deny what you just said. During the same exact periods did an equal opportunity of education rise
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happen. And I
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of education? I e, when I was a little kid, because a lot of this we can pin down in our lifetimes. When I was a little kid, trying to find any odd information included me sitting over a fish tape for 4 hours to hopefully find something that might still be there in the spot that it says it's gonna be in. You know, pray the the the the book gods. And now today, very poor people get these things. They call them Obama phones. And and and you go like this, and they have the they have this thing, like Marcus mentioned, the Internet, where I can find
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anything in the world. Yeah. But how deep do you have to dig, though? Right? And how manipulated are information is not
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are Google search results, how manipulated are Yahoo search results, Bing, this, it it it does it still takes digging. If it didn't take digging, we wouldn't be considered French for our opinions, for our research, for all of the things that we cite. They wouldn't be as batted back immediately as tinfoil hat, batcheddery, cuckoo, suede science like they still are in the mainstream each and every day. And I will I'll I'll concede again that there is a multibillion dollar industry that exists to guarantee that all of these viewpoints are considered French. What was considered common sense a 150 years ago is considered crazy today. The
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So why do the people why do the people who know who you and I are contemporaries, why do they still live like shit? Why do they still eat like shit? Why did I hate to use the the some of my friends as an example, but, like, a couple years ago, this whole crew got together, including, mister Billy and Crow and and, Jason and all them. And it literally looked like they were gonna eat Mark Valley, you know you know, freaking Mark. Why is that? They are dispensers of the information and don't apparently live by it. So how am I supposed to not see that as a personal self control issue? Because I know they have the information.
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Well, okay. If you look at it at an individual to individual basis and, again, I can see that this upfront. Part of my opening statement was conceding that there is an individual element of responsibility to maintain your personal health or to get you know, do everything that you can to be the healthiest individual that you are. My contention is that there are multiple, multibillion dollar industries that go out of their way to prevent people from accessing this information, to limit the scope of their education. And on top of that, at least in 2024, it is for the average person. Because, again, we're not talking about people in this community right now. We're talking about America as a nation.
There's been a deliberate concerted effort to remove what has been traditional knowledge, to remove what has been common sense, to eliminate critical thinking from kindergarten or preschool all the way through your postgraduate degree as a doctor where you spend less than 20 minutes on nutrition. These are efforts that have permeated the culture and de facto recent history, if we're gonna look at the last 50 or 60 years as recent history, the onset of not just sugar as a highly addictive substance that was introduced into I've well, I think at this point, it's 80 or 85% of the products that exist at the grocery store, including all of your breads, and even a whole bunch of products that you wouldn't think of. You guys, I have a dude, named Texas Slim who comes on to AM wake up at least a couple obesity?
Pardon? Are you blaming Texas Slim for obesity? I am not, dude. He is in fact slim. He's very slim. He's very slim individual. He's a fit guy. Okay. Yeah. No. It's not like one of those ironic nicknames where you call the 6 foot 7, 345 pound guy tiny. It's not like that. K? He he's actually slim. And he's on a mission to reintroduce Americans to their local rancher. He has a thing called the beef initiative. It's honestly one of the coolest projects that I've been fortunate enough to kind of be attached to over the last several years.
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Sounds like it's arguing my point of entrepreneurials. With the spirit of this entrepreneurialism, meeting the obesity, opportunity,
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face on, and then creating solutions to And I I again, I'll grant that. I will grant that. Slim is also an outlier. Slim is someone who lived out of his truck for the last 3 years because he put literally everything that he had into
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this particular business venture. Yeah. He was to be, like, people who work harder
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get greater rewards down the road. So So let me let let hang on real quick real quick. Yeah. Because this is an important component of the story. Slim was in the the tech industry for 25, 30 years. That's that's where he was, and he was, basically given a death sentence. Had some significant health issues, and, and had, effectively what we would colloquially refer to as a come to Jesus moment. K? No offense to the oldness or or anybody else. You know? Just want you know? The in the vernacular, it was a come to Jesus moment. And so not only did you have come to take moment.
Right? Right? Right? Well, yeah. So I guess, effectively, it might have been more of a Hindu thing where he came to the cow. K? But but, he had to fire absolutely every aspect of education that he had received up to that point. He had to go seek out new information. He had to relearn what his grandparents knew before his parents were subjugated to an onslaught of Bernesian propaganda through new emergent forms of media that nobody could have really fucking seen coming. K? The and this is one of the main cruxes of the argument is that, yes, I grant you that individuals do have the ability and the capability to take control of their situation, but it requires such a drastic and such a massive shift, not just in their own lifestyle, but in the culture around them.
And they have to deal with all of the pushback from everybody, from every facet of their lives, from their doctor to their priest or their, you know, freaky pastor or their coworkers in order to make that happen. You have to become a deliberate minority in this country in order to get yourself some remedial food education, to say nothing of the fact that once you finally crack that nut and you get into it a little bit, you realize that the first couple of different things that you've been taught about your quote unquote healthy lifestyle are also bullshit.
The it is a it's an intentional, deliberate process that people have to select to go through rather than a fact of life that is part of your everyday education from birth going forward, including your schools. And so that's the hurdle that you have to overcome.
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And I just wanna say the education expansion that Ben is talking about is actually the expansion of the Prussian education system, which is just there to make us good citizens,
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follow orders. That wasn't what I was talking about. We're following orders from people
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who are purposely lie purposefully lying to us. So what is the expansion of education that you're talking about? What what other education was there?
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The availability of personal education. A 100 years ago, 200 years ago, you couldn't hardly get a book. Then all of a sudden, yes, the Prussian education system with it, guess what else came with it? The printing press. Guess what came next? Libraries. Things that you could personally go educate yourself. There has always been countereducation. It wasn't what you were spoon fed. I'm sorry that what you were spoon fed wasn't the greatest. You had to take some personal accountability into it and go get the thing that is good for you, not good for them. Now here's here's where the big problem with what, Steve is saying, especially in the sugar market. You can say sugar is evil, but sugar isn't evil. It's just a thing. And here's the problem.
If I put some sugar on something, people like it more than they liked it before. If I put more sugar on it, they like it more than they liked it before that. They have the availability for non sweetened, non sugared product. It usually sits right next to the product that contains vast amounts of sugar. Which one did they go to? Here's one that's healthy and good for me. Here's the one that's not. But it tastes good. I can't help that people don't wanna control themselves, and neither can anybody else. If they want to shove their face full of corn syrup because they think it tastes good, that's on them. They know the difference.
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Are you interested in the argument for addiction? If are we talking about sugar addiction and food addiction in general at this point? Well, interestingly,
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high fructose corn syrup, as a a byproduct or a primary product in foods peaked in 1999. There's been a significant reduction of high fructose corn syrup syrup in all of these products over the last, what is that, 25 years? So that's a solid generation and a little bit more where HCFC hasn't been a major component of food. Now sugar is a highly addictive substance. So Ben just basically said, if you sprinkle a little cocaine on it, maybe it'll be fun for you. Maybe it'll be alright. Let's let's go ahead and drop a little heroin on it. Remember Dave Chappelle? Sprinkle some crack on it. You know? Yeah. It did. Yeah. Let's let's do that. Sure. And then once they get addicted to it, what's your fault for being an addict? Yes. We made sure that this product was in your food. Yes. We made sure that this product was on your table.
Yes. We made sure that local
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alcohol Are you making beverages. For me are you arguing for making sugar illegal on the say in the same, style that they have in methamphetamines or heroin?
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Classified sugar drugs. Specifically prescribed to elementary school age children as Ritalin and Adderall? No. I'm not arguing for that. No. I'm not. Because the moment that you start to make people aware of what the substance is, the pharmaceutical industry steps in and says, hey. We have a product that is exactly like this, but has a long complicated name and a couple of other chemicals that we can throw into it to make it seem like it's different. What I'm advocating for overall, which ironically supports your argument, is that people do need to take time out of their lives that most people don't have in order to find out about this shit. Time is all I have.
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Time is That's fucking fortunate, man, dude. I work 19 hours a day. I have no fucking time. Right. But time is all that you have, and you're chosen to join us tonight for this stream, for this education, for this debate. Yeah. I am. This is proof of the education. We're making it available. There's no such thing. Boy.
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You punched out some kids. You had to pay for them. That took jobs. That was a choice. You chose to get laid. Consequently, I made a decision. Yes. Set people
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behind in a timeline. Understand that. Yep.
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I I think that there is, an epigenetic and biologic need to procreate. K? So the you you know, choice, sure. You select your mate. You don't select the epigenetic or biologic need to procreate. I'm glad we're going in every human being. We we mentioned BBWs. We mentioned curvaceous women
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and the signs of a fertile women. How does this relate to our argument? I'm being deadly serious here.
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Well okay. So before we got on, and, interestingly, as America was getting progressively obese, the idea of the twig model was immediately fostered onto the public. Prior to the 19 late sixties and then into the seventies, what your top tier female looked like was a very curvaceous lady. Yeah. You know, Betty Page, Marilyn Monroe, all these types that that had like, they were thick. They were, boy. They was thick. And fucking the when you smack them on the ass, there was a nice little fucking wave and you went, oh, yeah. You know? And then all of the sudden, we, were shown via marketing propaganda and advertising, your Twiggies and all of these people who were rail thin to the point where you had Kate Moss who had more prominent freaking hip bones than she did tits.
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Well, you're gonna you're gonna get you're you're gonna we're gonna end up dragging this far afield, though, because that entire that entire trope is due to feminism, bro. Straight out. Hey. Look. I had no argument there. Right. Like, they were trying to push the, not to use the Christian terminology, but just for again, like Steve said, because that's what people recognize. They basically tried to push the horror of Babylon as the the primary figure that women should try and achieve as opposed to, back in the other days. It was the the, the mother figure. When you look at the mother goddess figures, they're always a thicker figure.
They have larger, fuller breasts that are saggy. They they have the thicker hips, the thicker you know, it's not the skinny, the horror of Babylon type figure. And feminism culturally pushed that entire trope. So that that's coupled with a weird, desire for women to be the horror of Babylon rather than be the loving mother figure. And and so that's a whole weird thing that I don't know what to say about with
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that. I mean, now the culture is pushing, fat acceptance. Right? So
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Right. And that's, Well, now they're fat horse at the same time.
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We kept the whore and and went to the fat. They they didn't get they they dumped the loving mother out of the equation. They're like, yeah. But we like the whore and the fat parts. We like those two things. Sure. That that is an entirely separate debate. Oh, I'd like to talk about mother Russia at this point and China and Russia. If they're doing it better, if they have better nutrition, if they have better armies, if they have more fit young soldiers ready to fight and defend their influence in the world. It might just be a point where the controlled demolition of America and the western ideal is happening. We've discovered that. We've dug that up a little bit. We're kind of in agreement with that. So now I'm just thinking in my own mind with all that I've heard tonight that this obesity epidemic in America will self correct over time as stronger Russian men and stronger Russian Chinese due to their eugenics and breeding program will self determinately raise their own master race.
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So oh, okay. Well, let's I mean, the this, you know, as fucking silly as that is, let's go ahead and fucking get into that for a minute.
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Didn't see that coming, did you, bro? I I demand respect for all my arguments and to be taken seriously.
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Russia banned genetically modified foods, over 14 years ago. Russia banned Monsanto from operating in its country. China has banned Monsanto. China has banned
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genetically modified foods. Tell the whole story as you're telling this.
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Well, I okay. In your opinion, what is the whole story that he's going to The
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the the the Paul Harvey, this is the rest of the story. This entire, that entire operation was coupled with having young couples go take responsibility for themselves and grow their own food and start organic small organic farms. Small.
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But it was small. That's a government action though. Right? That's a government It was a government mandate.
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That was not in What do you want me to say?
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That was not in that was not individually simultaneously waking up across the nation. That was the state saying we are forcing you to do this. And that while we could argue whether or not the state forcing you to grow your own food is a good thing, I do think we would all agree that force and think you would do anything. Yeah. From what we did, actually. They we're here. They dissuade you. But Here, they dissuade you from doing it. I didn't think I would see Ben come down on the side of of, state mandates tonight, but, you know,
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what's it's interesting. Well, I'm even leaning towards the supremacy of Orthodox
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Christian Christians. Stupid people that refuse to eat organic. How else do you get stupid people that refuse to eat organic? At this point, if you try to offer them a nice oat bar with peanuts and honey in it or a Snickers, 99.9
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of them are taking the Snickers and spin back the item of them. I can back that up. You I go to food reclamation and I can back that up. I go to food reclamation and distribution center for many years. I volunteered. I've been in line. I've received. I've handed stuff out. There's always a supply of food that is overproduced in America. We get the the lowest quality Franken foods with, like, jalapeno added and everything, and spicy is terrible, sugar is bad stuff. And then all the baked bread items, the cookies, all the cakes, the the donuts, that stuff. That's all overproduced. But then on the other side, there's also potatoes and tomatoes and rutabaga and strange Asian vegetables that I have no idea what the name is, and they look so Okay. Let's And I can bring them home and make a soup. But what my point here is that the people again, education, if they knew how to, you know, make some bok chow and make a sauerkraut and whatever it was with the fresh vegetables, they could do that. The people that I see at the reclamation reclaim the donuts first. They get in line early to get tickets to be the 1st person to reclaim the chicken, the pizza, and the donuts.
Let let me They leave they leave the fresh there's garden variety vegetables that are harvested from local farms that provide to this food pantry to food pantry. Organic.
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Let me let me let me go ahead and and interject an entirely new subject into a related conversation because there's an element that we haven't discussed tonight yet. And that is since the since the 19 forties, there has been a nationwide project to fluoridate the weather. Now all of the mass produced and the vast majority of, quote, unquote, organic tomatoes, your organic bok choy, your organic lettuce, Barack Obama's arugula, all of that has been Nobody likes arugula, Barack. With with yeah. Arugula is shit. You know, that's it's it really is. It's garbage. But it's been nurtured with fluoridated water.
If we eliminated that component alone from our mass agricultural system and even our solo at home from your hose or even your filtered water, which doesn't remove fluoride, we would be in a significantly better spot nationwide, guaranteed 100%.
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Less than your food is getting grown with fluoride than what you're making out by far. You even take you even take California where we live. It's all irrigation out of that canal that's floating out of the that's floating It's all treated. It it's not been treated until it goes to human consumption. It doesn't get treated at all until it's until it's time for human consumption.
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The vast majority of the people that water unless they have a tank, and you can guarantee that your tank is non fluoridated, then you are watering your crops with fluoridated water. When people in the Midwest, when people in North Dakota and South Dakota water their crops, they're watering their crops with Florida. Yes. They are. Go look it up right now.
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No. Web water doesn't use fluoride. That's a it's that's a that's a city program, bro. The web water in them, I know personally. I was on web water. They don't fluoridate their water.
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Web water. In Sonora, they don't fluoridate their water either where my kids are, but it's also chock full of fucking iron and arsenic and all kinds of shit that you Well, I ain't gonna say it's not chock full of iron and shit and arsenic. Those are natural minerals. Yeah. But to a toxic level. Mhmm.
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Yes. Nice. I can't I can't say that either because the problem is is that a lot of those things, are due again to commercial farming, which if we grew our own food here's a fact, Steve. Out of my out of my tiny garden, which is no bigger than somebody's backyard in the city at this point, Next year, it'll be about 5 times bigger. But right now, about the size of a city backyard. I'm pulling £25 of tomatoes on average a day, just in tomatoes. And people in this anybody could do that. They could choose to do that short of living in an apartment complex. Again, that's that's these people's choices. When I was 17, I decided I didn't wanna live like that. And I wanted a fucking house. I had a house by the time I was 21. It wasn't given to me. My parents handed me 0 monies. I even was paying for a kid and managed to wrangle up enough money to fucking buy, to put down a down payment to buy a house. Not because I was from some fantastic family or had some fantastic background. I was from a broke ass family. When I was 18, because I'd already been through 2 mechanic schools, I was working at Interstate Detroit Diesel making 7.50 or 12.50 an hour. My dad was making 7.50 as a welder.
Mhmm. Like, I didn't come from nothing. And it I wrangled up enough money for a down payment. And funny enough, when you have a bunch of money to put down, they give you a house or land. And you get to choose where it is you purchase that. That that's the funny thing about America. You get to go buy go choose wherever you want any of these states here. And and approval
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with loan guarantees and credit checks and all kinds of other hurdles that you have to jump through. Let's not pretend like you can just be like, hey. I wanna buy that place. And somebody will be like, okay. There's no way you can do it.
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Paid up money, which usually includes having worked hard at a job and maintained a job and and shown progress and shown that you are a responsible person. And then, yes, at that point in time, when you've shown that, then typically, yeah, you can get you can get credit.
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So that's, like, the hurdle that is necessary. And the the credit system, there's there's this necessary hurdles to figure out how people are gonna live. If everyone was given the same amount of money, well, people would spend it on Nike shoes, PlayStation fives, and mansions, and cars, that sort of thing. So this is the argument I've heard again and again. And maybe a side debate topic for another time would be the topic of motivation. If primary motivation in our current climate economic is to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, first, put on a car of boots. 1st, second, get a get some good straps, and 3rd, pull yourself up. I mean, it's kind of the recipe for success.
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Coastline for you. Yeah.
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Well, you know, we're there's also philanthropy. So these trust fund kids who want likes and clout, you get something like mister Beast who is very popular on YouTube. And what does he do? He gives all his money away to people, and then people give him more money to do it again.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well yeah. Yeah. Me mister Beast does philanthropy. He also hires pedophile trainings.
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So it's a they're a mixed bag. It's a mixed bag. Well, he gives away some money, and then he has some private proclivities. Okay? We're not we're not arguing the quality of character of the philanthropist. I'm not saying philander. I'm saying philanthropic care. Was a philanthropist. Right.
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I think the argument with Steven then made it. I think the the Rothschild
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family are philanthropists.
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I mean, the you know? Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Sure. They did a couple terrible things with, you know, some inject candy shot. What whatever it was,
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but they're giving their money away. Yeah. So now we can say is usually a philanthropic model in words. Crimes. If they want to pay for their free ads, and we're gonna argue that I would argue that charity is substantially different than philanthropy. Okay. And philanthropy
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is and maybe we could do that, as a a separate debate. Well, I Because know, at this point, I would change my argument to blame the church for their inability to provide food for the poor. So missionary work, philanthropy work, these these types of organizations that have nonprofit, like the tax stuff. I'm being serious here. The tax thing. There are churches in small towns who have large property. And one of the benefits of being in the congregation and having a church membership is they will give you a little plot of land in their backyard to grow your vegetables over the summer. A lot of all the elderly people like to go, and they're retired, and they go, and they like to garden, and they can drink tea and play scrabble, and then prune weeds, and you look at their vegetables grow, and then they give that food back to the community in the form of, you know, feeds and fest fest days and potluck dinners on Sunday. And then they have an abundance, and they so there are methods to get good quality food and fellowship and that spiritual connection you're looking for. So that's a working model. If people's atheism and their inability to accept that faith based communities are strong, they they they marry people, they they keep people tight knit, and you grow up in a church and peep you you know these people in your community. You're really in your community.
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It that about luck. Man, I'm I'm never going to argue that the severing of, yeah, any kind of spiritual or, you know, faith based organization, the removal of that from society at large has been an extreme detriment, it doesn't necessarily matter which stripe of faith based, you know, community you're going to. The replacement of the state as the ultimate spiritual advisor has been a huge detriment to society. The fact that religion has been replaced by government and worship of the state has is part and parcel of what it is what's put us in this position right now.
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As long as we continue to live in America, we've decided we don't wanna move to Russia or China. We wanna remain in the US of a. There still is a separation of church and state. I would expand my argument to say, yes. Personal responsibility is great, and living in a community of people who all recognize the importance of personal responsibility. I mean, that's the whole sin model. You win against nature. You win against non god, you get punishment, and they recognize that. So they say, you know, you learned your lesson. We're gonna forgive you. We're gonna educate you further. Now come and join us on Sunday for the potluck dinner and eat some quality food that we grew ourselves.
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We are we are in agreement, though, that separation of church and state isn't in the constitution. That was the 1782
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letter to from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist. I'm just The only time that it just ends Yeah. And it didn't even recognize me. What they it didn't even really mean what people try and make it out to mean. It it it it's people have to take into account the that during that time period, the pilgrims are pilgrims that founded the country. They did so because the king of England had, written his own bible, the king James bible, and forced it out. Anglican bible. And so they were saying, you can't, by law, tell us religious things. And that's all that they were saying. They weren't they weren't saying that you can't be a religious person, that your your religion isn't gonna somehow, flavor all your decisions.
They were saying you can't make religious
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laws. And I'm I'm fine with arguing that enlightenment principles as a foundation
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for a republic are inherently destructive to that republic. That's a lot of education. I'm I'm okay with more education. My final point for tonight in this, epidemic debate and who we blame, we're all to blame because before each meal, we're supposed to take the time to lower our head, close our eyes, and bless the food. We're not blessing our food. Seriously, we're not blessing our food. We're not considering what's going into our mouth, and this is a personal responsibility to say, brother, sister in Christ, you know, you've had one slice of bread.
Share the wealth. You know, maybe don't have that extra cookie crumble. I I wanna bring up even the Mormon church and their, new business venture where they're making these really delicious cookies. They have this whole model where we used to call it a bakery, but now they're taking over. It's crumble without an e at the end of it. Have you heard of this? So, I mean, there's there are churches, and then there are churches. Some serve crumble cookies and use Panera Bread. But, really, it's ultimately the responsibility of the individual. And he all humor aside, it truly is the responsibility of the individual to choose if they go to church or not. If they if they play with a group of people who have like minded interests, and the interest is, hey. We're hungry, and we wanna eat food. If people don't go to the community meals because it's at a church, then they're missing out on a huge part of life. And
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I'll I'll say this Go ahead. I'll say my as my my final point is that well, first of all, I think Steve kind of really highlighted the fact that it's it's really chemical warfare, and it's coming from a lot of directions, and it is affecting our hormones. And that probably has more to do with why we don't burn the fat than, genetic or exercise or what we're doing or, you know, how we're eating. I would say that to show that it's a clear psyop is that they put out misinformation. First, they said it was fat, then they said it was carbohydrates, all under the guise of the government is doing something. So when you go look for information, oh, I need to stop eating less fat. I need to do the you know? By the time you figure out what it actually is,
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it's That's a pretty heavy presupposition
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that they knew that it wasn't fat that makes you more fat. But they did, and we can we can prove that. They knew, and we can prove that. I the there are multiple you know what? Here. Let me
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it, it it You want me to share that same one? For a moment. No. The same one or a different one? It's a a different screen. Let me I guess I can't help with the food pyramid. That was put together by a cattleman. I I get what that I I can't I can't defend against the food pyramid. You still get to you you know, and that's not what Steve's pulling up here. But No. The the the office equipment put that together. Like, if you if if you if I if you ask me to put together a health plan and it it's a, yeah, dab every day, all day.
[01:48:27] Unknown:
Yeah. This is from, James Corbett from 7 years ago, where they looked at a new study in PLOS biology, confirms three things that independent health researchers have been saying for years, sugar heavy diets are worse for you than fat heavy diets. Researchers have known this fact for decades. Now here's the thing. Let me, switch screens here real quick. This for decades. Yeah. I've known So there was a study that took place. It was a 3 year study, 1969, 1970, 1971. This is when they figured this out. The sugar was the, a major detriment to everyone's health. It is we're now, what, 55 years removed from that information.
This is something that has been proliferating throughout the scientific community. This here is a graph of sugar consumption over the last, 100 years. Okay? In 8 in 18/20, the average person consumed £20 of sugar on a year. In 2012, that's gone up to a £130 of sugar a year. These are things that we can actually track with data. So it's not a supposition. It's not a a fringe concept. I'd say for you telling me the part where they shoved it down people's throats, where the government where the people They didn't have to shove it down people's throats, Ben. What they did is they made it the majority share of everything that people consume.
Whether or not there was consent, whether or not there was information, they made it the basic working model for how society functioned. And that's something that is deliberate on the part of the state, the public private partnership. 0 citizens had an opportunity for public comment. 0 citizens had the opportunity to take it to their legislature to say, no. I don't want this. And in fact, when they did, they were shunned as tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.
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When, during this same time period, World War 2, like I said, you know, it's interesting how, you know, the that's just how the world works with the rise of one thing. You see the rise of another. While you're saying that they did this rise of this one thing, which I agree, I seem to recall during World War 2, this other popular program that the government, almost required, called the victory garden. And where the government very heavily said that, you need to grow your own food. That in fact, I believe that there was advertisements that went around that said all good Americans have backyard chickens. All those things were propagated, to the American people by the government.
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Yes. For 3 years, and they walked that back immediately. But, yes, you're you're absolutely right. As gardens or or chickens?
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It's getting close with chickens.
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Yeah. They're going to be the ponds and I think I think chickens are the gateway to conspiracy theory. Okay. You're right. I I think I think if you go and get a couple of chickens, you are immediately going to be like, why the heck are these eggs so much better than the eggs that I get at the store? How come the eggs at the store look like this? How come the food at the store looks like this? I can only encourage chicken ownership. I really can. I you'd never gonna get an argument from me on that. We did have we had a hemp for victory campaign during World War 2 as well, and that turned into a multinational, conglomeration of freaking drug lords that decided to take away your liberty, your individual rights, your freedom on the back end of that because as soon as the government promotes something that actually benefits the people, they get negative repercussions from it.
So once the government realizes that promoting individual liberty is going to backfire on them, they immediately go to war against it. So what did the government do in light of the on the back end of Victory Gardens? They said, no. We're going to have mass grocery stores. We're going to have a unified subsidized by the federal government farming system that eliminates the need for individual gardens, that eliminates the desire, that eliminates the individual
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responsibility on that level. Know that you're misrepresenting the subsidies quite a bit. Right? So the subsidized system that you're that you're that you're against actually, was I'm not I'm not gonna say that it worked out exactly the way they wanted to, but what the subsidies are what the purpose and the methodology behind it is supposed to be is that if that it the every market is gonna go through fluctuations. It's just how it is. And if the small farms, they go under during those fluctuations. And the large farms then rise during those fluctuations.
And so, in a very short time, you end up with a bunch of very large farms and no small farms. So the way those subsidies were intended to operate was it stabilized the market. So that way small farms always were able to keep to continually, stay in business and continually keep a decent price on their products. Where then the and the large farms, they were always gonna be able to
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work with the market. You know, you're my brother, but that's bullshit.
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That's absolutely true. That is the way that is the way that those were set up and the reasoning behind why they were set up. What subsidies
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did and what they were always intended to do was create a cartel of producers that would only buy out and absorb small independent farmers. I grew up in central Indiana. When I was a very young kid, there were multiple independently owned and operated farms all around my neighborhood. By the time that I graduated high school they all had the exact same corporate name under them because the subsidies for the big farmers is what allowed for them to absorb the smaller farmers. The smaller farmers couldn't compete, they couldn't take product to market except for having a little standout which I drove by on my bike every day when I rode to fucking grade school.
And I got instructions and $3 from my mom to make sure I brought back 18 years of corn, of freaking, like, sweet corn. Good. Indiana sweet corn. And that was the only place that you could get it was those last few remaining small independent farms. The rest of them had GMO Monsanto corn seed. The rest of them were subsidized to the hilt to where they didn't even really have to to work as hard as they had to do to create their crop because the crop That's not even subsidies, though. That's the GMC
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out. That's the GMC
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out. Put up the money on the back end in order to guarantee the subsidies.
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To to get it kick started, that but that's not something that was a running program. Like, the the the recent national policy, and it still is to this day. People went to Monsanto is because it's easy it's easy farming. It's you make the most money, and it's the easiest. Like, you can Subsidizing
[01:57:20] Unknown:
subsidizing would work if they were subsidizing healthy foods that sustained us. Moderator says
[01:57:28] Unknown:
subsidies and Monsanto are kind of a side argument maybe for another Tuesday. That's fair.
[01:57:35] Unknown:
Who made you the moderator?
[01:57:36] Unknown:
I did. I took personal custody and became the moderator. That's how that works.
[01:57:43] Unknown:
Oh, okay. I get it. I have the power. I love I love tonight because we've got Ben Balderson arguing on the side of the state and federal subsidies at 2 different occasions. This is fantastic.
[01:58:00] Unknown:
Well, I gotta disagree with you somehow. You know, that's the worst part. Alright. It's, you know, the the fact is is I don't disagree with anything, Steve's saying. I also don't disagree with my position that, entirely, but I don't disagree with his. Like like I said, I was I was obese at one point in time, and that was entirely, because of the pharmaceutical industry. And as soon as I bumped that off and started using natural medicine, I e switched over to cannabis to control my seizures rather than, using, Klonopin and Seroquel.
I immediately started dumping the weight off. So that was distinctly a medically driven weight gain. And not you know, the vast majority of America is on some pill of some sort, which has a a laundry list of side effects. I can't even for one second defend against the freaking pharmaceutical
[01:58:58] Unknown:
industry. They're just We can blame them right now for the obesity, the side effects of weight gain, to so many of these drugs that are prescribed to young children, children even?
[01:59:11] Unknown:
Ugh. Dude, I'm a skinny guy, and I and like I said, I went up to 200 I think I at the top of it, I was almost £265, And I usually run about a 150. And it's not like I eat, you know, like, I just got done having cookies and milk, and I eat a lot, but I eat healthy stuff that we grew. And I have my own milk cows, which, that one is definitely a point in contention. You boys are just straight wrong about that. Everybody's had milk cows all through history. It's it the a 2 a one milk cow is a new thing. And no. Nobody keeps an a one milk cow in their yard. A fucking Holstein's huge.
[01:59:53] Unknown:
Now Lola We all can see that by point. Steve knows
[01:59:57] Unknown:
Milk. Milk is racist. Milk is racist. Lola's Lola's downright pleasant. She comes up. She's a giant she's a oversized milk dog. Yeah. Lola is a big one. Consume cheese. We haven't even broke the topic of what people groups. I don't know what the word is. I don't think we say race anymore, but there's different people who look very different. And you could put them into certain groups to say, well, here's a group of people from this land, this geographical region, and they look different from this other group of people. And these different groups of people have different dietary restrictions because, for example, if they eat cheese, they die. I mean, is that terrible for them? They they their body can't process cheese. Other groups of people have different,
[02:00:42] Unknown:
diet. Call those people Jews.
[02:00:45] Unknown:
Yeah. Those are weak people, and they should have died.
[02:00:50] Unknown:
Well, I guess that's the end of the debate. We said the word and the people,
[02:00:56] Unknown:
and we got to the
[02:00:58] Unknown:
and we got to the final solution plan for this. Right? Yep. More cheese. More like those. The tables the tables have turned. I don't know any skittish, kiddish, kaboo, skibbity toilet, or any of the the new Zoomer words to bypass the sensors for saying these things. But, really, you know, the the children are the future,
[02:01:19] Unknown:
and we're gonna feed them right. Okay. But real quick, man. I just found out that one of the upstairs neighbors are directly across the hall called my dog skinny because my dog is not morbidly obese. Mhmm. You can see his hips and he is muscular as fuck.
[02:01:40] Unknown:
Dude, Gomez is a monster. Gomez is a monster. Like, that dude like, you could see when he the videos that Steve posts where he walks, you could see the muscles ripple underneath the skin just like Yeah.
[02:01:53] Unknown:
He eats, like, 2 thirds of a pound, if not a full pound of ground beef or some sort of meat every single day with potatoes and carrots and asparagus that I hand chop for him because I don't want to feed him fucking dog food.
[02:02:11] Unknown:
That's a debate topic you just touched on. We have that plan. We have many more debate topics
[02:02:18] Unknown:
in the works. Do we wanna move to the debrief and kinda Yeah. Let's do that. Thoughts? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But feed your dog raw meat every day. Do that, kids. It's good to know. And if you're gonna feed them dog food, which I do supplement with dog food, my dogs get what Steve's talking about. I can't get my dogs to eat asparagus. They won't eat it. Even the pig loves it, dude. Dude, even my pig won't you know what? It's weird because Scotty well, they take turns. Sometimes they'll like cauliflower. Sometimes they'll like broccoli. 1 of them will like cauliflower. 1 of them will like broccoli. It it's the weirdest shit, but never ever do any of them like asparagus.
Like and and we love asparagus here, and even the pig won't eat asparagus. Gomez goes fucking nuts for asparagus, dude. It's crazy. It's like his favorite thing. Canned or pickled?
[02:03:05] Unknown:
No. It's raw beef. Yeah. Raw. The he gets raw food every day, twice a day, and it's, look, probably close to, you know, £3 overall between either white sweet potatoes or some rice or something like that, carrots, asparagus, some other vegetable, and then raw meat. Yeah. I I
[02:03:29] Unknown:
Yeah. That's just They got this dog food called, there's an Arcana and another one, and it's just freeze dried animal organs pretty much. Are we arguing that? When you open the bag, it stinks so bad, but my dogs love it so much. Because they already had become that some people
[02:03:49] Unknown:
feed their pets, cats, or dogs better quality food 100%. Than they feed themselves? Definitely.
[02:03:56] Unknown:
Oh, then they feed themselves for sure.
[02:03:58] Unknown:
Yeah. They'll eat McDonald's while giving their dog what Steve's talking about.
[02:04:02] Unknown:
Yep. I've seen that. I've I've seen dogs on, diabetic medicine, insulin injections.
[02:04:11] Unknown:
What the fuck?
[02:04:12] Unknown:
Yeah. I knew a lot of
[02:04:14] Unknown:
people are gonna have a lot of dogs. Diabetic pets. Yes. He is. Wow. Yeah. They medic pets.
[02:04:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Diabetic pets.
[02:04:21] Unknown:
My my family for for, like until my dad started coming out to California and visiting me, the family the family rumor on my family was that I'm on meth because I'm so skinny. They're like and I'm like, I'm not so skinny. I have, like, fucking I have very large arms, and I'm very muscular. I'm just not fat. Like, I'm not, you know, a giant guy, but I'm just not fat. I'm like, I don't know anything about that. Do people,
[02:04:50] Unknown:
average Americans on the street, have an idea of what a healthy person, not on pharmaceutical medication, not, addicted to sugar and eating fast food, what an actual natural organic living man looks like and what that body shape looks like and its variations. We see Hollywood again with the Ozempic thing that South Park special was Yeah. Hilarious. Great. Hilarious. Watch that. Beautiful stuff.
[02:05:23] Unknown:
And then they tried to bring back like eating your own animals. Like, you know, all that whole thing with eating cats and everybody got all mad. Can't eat the,
[02:05:32] Unknown:
like, the pond ducks. Like the Haitian pond ducks.
[02:05:38] Unknown:
Nobody wants to eat you, you stinky shit.
[02:05:41] Unknown:
If illegal immigrants come to our country and service our own pets, then maybe that's what we deserve. Because our personal responsibility was so lax that it took the Haitians and their voodoo
[02:05:56] Unknown:
to overcome the feminists who were feeding us pumpkin spice. Look. If we get to a point where it's Haitians versus feminists, I'm totally supporting the Haitians.
[02:06:06] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I can't do the danger hair side. How do we get in how do we get in with them to get them into some debates?
[02:06:15] Unknown:
The absurdity will have to self correct itself. But for now, we continue to bait and enrage individuals to join us on deliberating dog face dudes to debate us face to face.
[02:06:28] Unknown:
Yep. Alright, guys. Good good talk. Have a good night.
[02:06:33] Unknown:
Love you, guys. Leave some comments on these videos, folks. Let us know when you're watching. To debate. You other people out here to debate.
[02:06:46] Unknown:
You're metal, dude. Dudes, 9,
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38, 7,
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38, 5, 43,
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2, 1, fight.
Introduction and Political Commentary
The Obesity Epidemic: Personal Responsibility
Complex Influences on Health
Debate Format and Opening Statements
Factors Contributing to Obesity
Government's Role in Public Health
Conspiracy Theories and Health
Consumer Choices and Food Industry
Education and Access to Healthy Living
Hormones and Weight Regulation
Entrepreneurial Solutions to Obesity
Cultural Shifts and Body Image
Community and Spirituality in Health
Subsidies and Agricultural Policies
Final Thoughts and Debrief
