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Good morning. This is David Bennett, and this is Bitcoin Ant, a podcast where I try to find the edge effect between the worlds of Bitcoin, gaming, permaculture,   casting, and education to gain a better understanding of all. Edge effect is a concept from ecology describing a greater diversity of life where the edges of two systems overlap. While species from either system can be found at the edge, it is important to note there are species in the overlap that exist in neither system. And that is what I seek to uncover. So join me in discovering the variety of things being created as Bitcoin rubs up against other systems.   It is 10:30 AM Pacific Standard Time.  

It is the 30th day of January 2024.   This is episode   849   of Bitcoin, and we're doing something entirely   different today.   Not gonna be any Bitcoin news at all.   We will talk a little bit about Bitcoin because it's part of the presentation that I'm gonna give you.   But this is going to start either   the first of 3   or possibly   4   shows that are all connected to the same thing.   I'm going to talk about what I've been calling the Forest Walker system   today,   tomorrow, the next day, and possibly Friday, and   next Monday. It depends   on how far I get because I I still wanna keep these shows about an hour. Alright?  

So   we're gonna have to figure out, you know, how far we get today,   but this is an idea   that is   reaching into science fiction   when it comes to   natural resource management   and the use of Bitcoin to do that.   Right? This has always been this show has tried to always be about   Bitcoin and other things. Most of the time it's about Bitcoin news.   But   this one   this one will not get out of my head. This this idea   has been rolling around in my head for well over a year   and if I don't get it out   soon, it's going to drive me insane.   So this is   part of this show or this, you know, interconnected set of shows.  

There will be a companion   article written. I've got most of the actual verbiage written. It's just now in in it's in a draft format   and I've got to edit it down.   I don't I either am I going to just publish it on Nostr or something through like something like ABLA   or I I don't know. I might shop it around to, you know, Bitcoin Magazine or something like that. Will they publish it? I don't know because honestly what I'm about to present to you today   is flat ass crazy.   It's absolutely   insane.   And there's a very, you know, very real possibility that there's no such thing as a return on investment of of this, but I I have this sneaky suspicion   that there could be   depending   on how this is this whole thing is is done. Alright,   so   I've been talking about this and I'm I've I'm   calling it the forest   walker   system.  

No, there's not gonna be a circle p today. We're gonna get right into this thing.   And I'm trying to figure out I mean, I've got a outline up here for, you know, how to do the show and all that kind of stuff.   But I'm, you know, being able to sneak into it   is is kind of an art. When it comes to shows like this, right? Because you don't know what I'm talking about. I know what I'm talking about because I've been thinking about it for well over a year.   You're coming to this with a brand new set of eyes. You have literally no idea   what the hell I'm spouting off.  

And the job today   is to try and figure out a way to get you into a situation where you understand what I'm talking about   even   though it's kind of crazy.   And it very much does reach into the realm   of science   fiction. However, nothing that I present to you today   there's nothing science fiction about it.   Everything that I'm going to explain to you today   could be done.   We have the technology, we have the engineering teams,   none of what I'm going to talk to you today about is impossible.   Yet, it's   it still reaches into the realm of science fiction. We're not gonna be talking about warp drives or black holes or anything like that. I want you to start thinking about being in a forest.   That's where I want you to start.  

If you have to close your eyes and go hamina hamina hamina hamina hamina hamina,   blah blah blah blah blah I'm in a forest And do the meditation trick to   wrap a forest around your mind   with trees   and shrubs   and little critters running through the trees and doing doing the things that all the little critters do, then I need you to do that. And for the guys over in zap.stream,   I'm gonna give you some visual cues. Here it is. Here's a Google search on   and and the search term is, for those that are listening,   high   fuel load   forest.  

Because that's the management I want to talk about today.   The fuel load. What the hell is a fuel load in a forest?   Okay.   We're gonna get into that, and we're gonna get into a little bit of history of the ad council. I know it's it's bizarre. I'm going all it seems like I'm going all over the place, but trust me.   Trust me trust me. I've got a very good reason for doing all of this. Now,   we do   start in the forest and and let's just keep it simple.   We'll start in the American forests.   Not European,   not Thailand,   not Australian forest, not New Zealand, not Brazil,   not Argentina.  

United States.   United States of America   forests handled by the United States Department of the Interior   under the United States Department of Agriculture.   Right? The USDA is underneath   the the secretary of the interior. Alright, so the Secretary of Interior does all the national parks, all the national forests,   all that kind of stuff. That is all Department of Interior. Alright, so   that's where we   begin. Now what what was I talking about when it came to the ad council?   Well let me give you a little bit of of let me give you a little primer of what we're talking about here,   the from the whole shebang, and I need to   need to expand this thing a little bit.  

I'm looking at something on the screen that you can't see.   So just trust me. Trust me. Alright. Let me get that to full screen for the guys over on ZapStream.   And what the guys on ZapStream that what they're looking at is a whole bunch of pictures   of forests.   And   some are on fire, some have already been burned,   some are, you know,   not   haven't been burned, but they're definitely going to get burned at one point or another because of the   the fuel load.   Right? So   I wanna talk about what fuel load is to start this off.   Forests.  

They grow trees.   Sometimes,   the branches on the lower portions of the trees when they get out of sunlight because the forest canopy gets really dark,   they die because they're not needed by the tree.   And then eventually,   they kind of fall to the ground,   right? And so,   that wood that's sitting on the ground,   especially if it remains dry and in places like southwestern Colorado,   which is essentially   given its rainfall   is not that far away from a true desert. Even though there's bunches of trees and forests and stuff like that,   a desert technically only talks about how much rainfall you get.  

A lot of the wood in Colorado   and other forests in the United States, especially in the western states   do they're pretty dry.   Right? So all this fuel that falls out of the trees   because branches are constantly falling   over millions and millions of acres,   right? They're falling to the forest floor and they're staying there and they are dry and they get tender dry. And what happens when you've got a buildup of fuel   anywhere and it catches on fire?   Well, the more fuel that catches on fire the hotter the fire burns.   Nobody gives a shit about a little tiny stick about as big as your pinky burning.  

But you get £5,000   of little sticks that are as big around as your pinky and they're all in a pile and you set that shit on fire. Well, you've got a different deal altogether.   And that's where we are in the United States forests.   Let's take a little history lesson.   In 1944,   the Smokey Bear wildfire prevention campaign began in the United States.   Only you can prevent forest fires.   Remember that? Remember that? It's like if if you were a kid, you've probably still it's still going.   This this ad campaign   has been going strong since 1944.   Only you can prevent forest fires.  

And Smokey the bear with this little forest, you know, ranger hat on and all that kind of shit. Yeah, we thought it was cute.   Right? But   it's actually   rather sinister.   All the best intentions were meant, you know, meant.   But it's turned into something else.   So where did this come from? Well, this came from a place called the Ad Council.   The ad council   is it's actually in this one, this particular   campaign for the ad council   is the longest   running   ad council campaign   that they have ever done.   It the ad council is a United States nonprofit and it was set up by the American Association of Advertising Agencies   and the Association of National Advertisers in 1942,   just 2 years before the the the program came out.  

And it would seem   that the United States Department of Interior was concerned about forest fires and wanted them to stop. So they enlisted   the entirety of the United States population   via   the ad council.   And it worked.   I mean,   forest fires basically just got shut down in the United States.   All of them.   We never I mean, it was policy and still is kind of to this day   for the department of the interior that if a forest fire starts,   we have to shut it down.   The loss of property, the loss of life,   the loss of natural resources we cannot allow it. We just can't.   And so we don't.  

And with the help of the Ad Council   and the most famous bear in the United States, Smokey,  

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This shit worked.   So,   is that good?   No.   No, and I'll tell you why.   Most  

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terrestrial ecologies on the face of the planet are what's called fire ecologies.   They   depend on fire   to survive,   to thrive,   to reproduce.   Yes, I know it sounds weird. How can burning something down   make a forest great again? It's   it sounds counterintuitive, but it's not.   Back in the days before the ad council and before Western or actually humans, doesn't matter whether they were western, eastern, southern hemisphere, doesn't matter.   Before we started meddling around thinking that we knew better than mother nature how to manage   millions upon millions upon millions of acres of natural resources,   mother nature did all that shit by herself.  

And forest fires range from one end of the globe to the other and most forests   did nothing but benefit from those fires.   And the reason that sounds counterintuitive   is this   When you see news about a forest fire in the at least in the United States, you see utter devastation.   And there's a reason for that.   And that goes back to what we're talking about   the fuel load.   Back before we started thinking we were smarter than mother nature, mother nature would set forest fires by oh, I don't know lightning strikes.   Just let's start there. That's one of the most common ways the forest fire started.  

So lightning strikes in the forest,   starts a fire. Next thing you know, the fuel load that's there burns out.   But because   fires   always burned,   there was never too much of a fuel load   to get to a temperature   that can cause the utter devastation   that you see on the news today.   So what you what's happened to us is we've been programmed through media   to see a forest fire and see nothing but the most heinous devastation.   Whereas, that was never the case before we started mucking around with the forest.   Forest fires   back in the day   didn't do any damage to the living trees.  

Sure. It charred their their bark a little bit   and some trees didn't survive. That is true. And that would be the weakened trees, the trees that maybe had beetle strike,   you know, like pine beetle, beetle or, pine borers and pine beetles and these kind of things that will infest a tree. And those trees would actually just go ahead and and just straight up die and fall over and become fuel for the next season's, you know, forest fire. But by and large, all of the healthy trees that were above a certain   height, like let's say if they were at least 20 feet high, those trees were fine   because the fuel load was never heavy enough to get the fire so damn hot that it would ignite a living tree   because the tree's got what inside of it? A whole bunch of water,   and it's hard to burn wet wood.  

But it's easy to burn wet wood   when you get a fire that's so hot   that it turns the water inside of a living tree   into steam   and all of a sudden that tree turns into a bomb.   Yes, trees explode in forest fires. When the forest fire gets hot enough,   trees will explode   because it just it just   turns all the water into them. It's steam because it just gets to a certain temperature and it just can't   it can't do anything but expand. And you know what happens when you've got steam that expands inside of a pressure vessel. If the pressure vessel cannot take it, that pressure vessel will explode, and so do trees.   That's the devastation   we all see nowadays.  

So therefore we're even more inclined   to take the side of the department of the interior and say no more forest fires.   But   every time that we put out a forest fire, we don't take care of the fuel load in the forest.   And because of that,   the next fire and there always is a next fire   has more fuel to burn.   Until we get to a point where a forest fire ignites   and there's not enough men,   equipment,   water,   or money   that's gonna put that son of a bitch out. And the Yellowstone fires in the or the Yellowstone fire in the early eighties that destroyed   vast   acreages of old you know, really old forest. Now I won't say old growth, but really old forest in Yellowstone National Park.  

That's why.   We kept putting out the fires. The fuel load got heavier,   and finally   it's going to burn and it's going to burn uncontrollably. And we lost   huge major portions   of Yellowstone National Forest.   Okay. So that's the scene. That's what I'm talking about. We need to   I don't want to say it that way.   I was about to say we we need to solve this problem. We need to we need to get rid of the fuel load. Right?  

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I don't want to put couch it that way. I want to look at it as   fuel   load.   What   what is it that we all know and love that uses   fuel?   Especially the kind of fuel   that is not easily, you know, put into one single spot and has a really high density.   Something that we all know and love that that seeks renewable resources,   seeks low density fuel,   seeks fuels in places   that there's not a whole lot of people.   What could that be?   And if you haven't figured it out by now, then you haven't listened to this show   nearly enough.   So   here we go.  

We'll go ahead and say this Bitcoin mining just just so that we can get it off the table. That's what we're looking for. We're looking for a way   for bitcoin miners to be leveraged and utilized   in a way   that makes sense   in the context   of suppressing   future forest fires  

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and doing that by utilizing   the fuel that is already there   in the forest   waiting to be gathered,   right?   How do we do  

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it? Well, what I'm proposing is the creation of the forest walker.   And the forest walker is a machine.   And it's part of a system   of   machines,   Right?   So   what do you what am I thinking of?   And I'm gonna I'm gonna get another, search up here for the guys.   Legged.   Okay. So I put up another set of pictures for the guys in zap.stream   that is showing what something that's called   the legged support system, or actually it's called the legged squad support system.   This was an autonomous   walking   machine   from your friends and mine over at Boston Dynamics. You know, the guys that make scary robots.   The guys that are just one step away from, you know,   arming a bipedal soldier and, you know, throwing it out on the battlefield and, you know, having it kill all you know, we're we're talking about Skynet.  

You know, the Boston Dynamics guys.   We we always give them shit.   But it back in, what was it, 20   15 let me get into my notes so I can find it.   Yeah, about around 2012 to 2013,   Boston Dynamics   in conjunction with   DARPA,   Yeah, another another one of our friends   and the Marine Corps, the United States Marine Corps   built a quadruped   so like, you know, 4 legs   a quad quadruped   robot   and it was about the size of a cow. Okay? Your standard   field cow. You drive in, you know, in Ohio and you see a bunch of cows   and you say moo.   It's about that size. Okay?  

It was designed   to carry about 400   pounds of weight.   Now this thing   was fitted with a motor, a gasoline burning engine   that would in turn power a hydraulic pump,   had onboard computers   and onboard sensors,   and all of that was to do the following:  

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to be fitted   with a whole bunch of equipment  

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like, you know, extra ammo,   water, food,   maybe extra fuel for itself,   but £400   worth   and tasked   to go around and basically be the pack mule for a marine corps squadron   out in the field of battle.   The problem is in 2015,   this thing was scrapped.   The whole project was scrapped. Right? And the reason was because it made a lot of noise.   And if you've got   a squad   of men out there in the field and you don't want the enemy to know what their position is,   you probably don't wanna put something that makes a whole shit ton of noise next to them. Right? Plus, it was a really difficult to repair out in the field. But what it was able to do was all by itself,   without a tether to electricity,   without actually having somebody   having to guide it through the forest all by its lonesome,   it would walk and be able to understand   where the squad was,   stay a certain distance away from the squad,   navigate its own the train all by itself because it had the sensors,   it was had like, you know, well, I guess at that time some version of machine learning   and it was able to completely navigate,   you know, over concrete,   asphalt, but it could also go into forests   and it could walk over branches.  

Right? So it could do all that all by all on its own, but again, they scrapped it.   My what I'm thinking here is that   something like that be built again. Whether getting a hold of the Boston Dynamics guys,   seeing if they want to, you know, crank the whole idea up again. That's not really   I mean I can think about that, but I'm not I don't want to get into how we resurrect that. I'm just saying   that something has already been invented   that actually will walk through a forest all by itself completely unattended   just given a bare amount of instructions, like go over there.  

Right? So let's start with that.   So now we have something that's quadrupedal,   very stable.   It can walk up and down hills. It can actually walk up and down pretty steep hills,   you know, but it it does just fine clearly on on regular flatter land.   So the forest has that. There's valleys and mountains and hills and all kinds of shit to walk over.   There's there's tree stumps that you got to navigate around. There's all kinds of stuff. So we have this system already purpose built that will be able to do that.   Okay. So let's stick 1 in the forest   and add a couple of things to it.  

First,   we gotta add a branch chipper,   You know, small branch chipper.   Doesn't have to be, you know, all that big   because here's the thing with fuel loads   I'm not suggesting that we get rid of whole trees that have fallen in the forest. Why?   Because that should come later.   Plus,   chances that that catches on fire and stays on fire all by itself   is minimal. Why?   Because   the surface the way wood burns,   the surface to volume ratio surface area to volume ratio makes a lot of   impact into whether or not something's going to burn. Like have you ever tried to just start a log on fire with a with like a BIC lighter?   It doesn't work. So what do you do?  

You get kindling.   And you burn the kindling and then you get a little pile and you start it on fire and then you slowly add more and more sticks to it and then bigger sticks and and you have to actually sit there and work it until it gets hot enough that you can put a regular sized log over it and have any hope in hell of getting that log to burn.   So I'm not after the huge, you know, big fallen trees. I don't care. There's enough fuel in the forest without me worrying about big huge massive trees that have fallen over in the forest.   I worry about them catching on fire   through the mechanism of kindling. And that's why I this system, all it really needs to do   is be able to identify   and start getting   and using   small branches that are on the floor.  

Not even like masses of pine needles, just little sticks.   And throwing it into a little chipper shredder   that is on board   of the legged squad support system or at least whatever it is that we read you know, that would be redesigned from that. The chassis is what I'm going to call it from now on. The chassis that we hang all of the rest of this stuff off of is the legged support system. And I'm gonna go back here to these pictures of the forest for the guys over in zaps.stream.   And thank you, kid warp for the 2,100   sats. Thank you, Tim, for 21. And thank you, Yeager, for a 121   Satoshis.  

Alright. So we got a chipper.   And don't worry, because I know some of you are going,   how are you gonna run it? It's all by itself out in the forest. How you gonna run the chipper? We'll get to it. I promise.   I literally I promise we'll get to it.   But we hang a chipper off this thing  

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you this system should be smart enough to identify   and size   appropriate   sticks   that will go into the chipper   and anything larger because this is all pre programmed.   This is all part of our quote, unquote artificial intelligence and machine learning.   This nothing about what I'm saying is impossible, but nothing about what I'm saying is easy either.   Alright. So let's just let's put that on that shit on the back burner.   So I got a chipper.   We take small branches, little tiny sticks, throw it in the chipper, and get this shit milled down   to something   a little bit more   manageable   and easier to work with   size   wise.  

Why?   Well, all of a sudden this is the first component that we need   to be able to manage the fuel load of the forest,   because we're getting it off the forest floor. And guess what? A human is not involved in this.   This is happening all by itself, completely unattended.   Sure. You're monitoring will have to happen.   But the idea is that   humans aren't out in the in the forest doing this.   Right?   This is happening all by the forest walker itself. We just set it and forget it. It just run it goes out there and it starts finding sticks and it starts putting it through its onboard   small branch chipper   slash shredder if you want to use it that way.  

Why?   Because we need to feed   a system   that is also onboard   the chassis   that converts   this   very   undense   fuel   into a more dense fuel.   And that exists.   What I'm about to describe   100%   exists   and it's existed for a very, very, very long time. It's called   gasification.   And what we need to have also   onboard the chassis   along with the chipper shredder   is what's called a gasifier.   Now,   when I first saw   gasification,   I like I saw a video. Somebody had said something about it and I was like, yeah sure.   Running cars off of burning wood.   I called b s like harder than anybody that you've ever heard   call b s something,   because I didn't believe it. It   just it totally doesn't make sense   that you can turn   burning wood   into   a fuel that you use like propane,   like natural gas,   like methane. Right?  

Right? It didn't make any sense to me.   Well,   I was wrong.   Because gasification,   ladies and gentlemen, has actually been around for quite a while.   And let me see if I can if I can find   yeah. I'm here's here's my note the notes that I've been taking.   Is that in this particular case, once we've got this, you know, we've got this thing walking around the forest, we've got it selecting sticks off the ground because it can see it and then has like, you know, the ability to gauge its relative size and diameter,   Says yes and picks it up with a   hydraulic actuated forearm and shoves it into a hopper,   and that hopper leads directly into the chip or shredder because the chipped biomass   will be continually fed into this   gasification process.  

And what it does,   here's what gasification   does: it reacts carbonaceous   material   at high temperatures   in a low or no oxygen environment,   converting the biomass into biochar,  

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wood vinegar,   heat,   and  

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syngas, also known as synthesis gas. We're gonna use syngas for right now. That's the most important part for right now syngas. What is syngas? It's predominantly   hydrogen,   carbon monoxide,   and methane.   All of which are extremely useful fuels. Yes. Carbon monoxide.   They say the old man, you're gonna be carbon monoxide poison. You need a carbon monoxide   monitor. No.   Yes. It will kill your ass deader than a hammer, that's for sure. But what they never say is that carbon monoxide itself   is highly flammable.   It's highly flammable which makes it what it makes it a very useful fuel   hydrogen   hydrogen burns. Did you ever see a picture of what the hell happened to the Hindenburg? If you don't know what happened to the Hindenburg airship, please please please for the love of God go find out what happened to the to the Hindenburg and realize that it was completely filled with hydrogen   to make it lighter than air. Hydrogen itself   is a very useful fuel.  

And then we come to methane.   Methane, as we all know, is natural gas.   And if you are lucky enough to have a natural gas stove,   you've   got   the ability to cook food all the time on very cheap source of fuel. So we get methane, we get carbon carbon monoxide, and we get hydrogen,   all of which we can burn as a fuel in a what?   An internal combustion   engine.   Now,   what's critical is that this is a continuous feed system.   This legged support or the chassis with all of the gear that we're talking about is walking around continuously   in a forest   looking for   not only the most undense fuel you will ever find in your life,   but it's spread out across   many many acres.  

And all this thing does is basically   graze on dead wood.   And as it grazes on that dead wood, it's converting it into fuel. Sounds a lot like what a cow already does.   Except the cow eats grass, this thing actually eats straight up wood. But essentially,   we're doing the exact same thing.   Now,   as the syngas is converted or or is being produced from the gasification   process   Right? Because it does work.   That syngas is then being fed   into   an internal combustion engine.   What do you think the internal combustion engine   is connected to?  

An AC generator.   Well, probably a DC generator with a power inverter on it, but let's just call it an AC generator and just be done with it. It's producing AC electricity   continuously because this thing is continuously grazing on wood in the forest, depleting the forest fuel load, and the ability for kindling   to ignite larger pieces of wood, which then in turn causes the majority of our problems. All we need is the small shed.   So that is that's what it's doing.   So while it's continuously   chipping little branches and that biomass is continuously being fed into a gasification process, and that gasification process   is   an internal combustion engine,   and that internal combustion engine is constantly turning   an AC generator,   we have constant   and consistent   electrical power to run.  

What do you think?   What do you think? What do you think we're gonna run?   What do you think we're gonna run? We're gonna run Bitcoin miners.   That's exactly what we're going to be doing.   But before we even get all the way over there,  

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let's talk about  

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something else. And I want to I want to make sure I'm good on time. Okay. So we're about 34 minutes in, so this   this show that I was planning on doing   for, like, getting through the entirety of how what the system is before we do anything else is probably going to be 2 shows.   So just be prepared, because   the only way that I can really get into this   and really make it plain for everybody   is to go through these components 1 by 1. So where are we at?   We're all we've already got that we've got the chassis,   we've got the chip or shredder,   and we've got we we've we've got the gasification process.  

So, and then we know what happens after the gasification process, but   just before that   I want to talk a little bit more about gasification.   Because it's important to understand   that this is not   something that's science fiction.   In fact,   this shit goes all the way back   to 16/99.   That's right. 16 99. It's very old.   A man   named Dean Clayton.   He first started experiments on gasification in 16/99.   It wasn't until 1901   that gasification   was first used to power a motor vehicle.   And this wasn't just a one off thing either.   By the end of World War 2,   there were   500,000   syngas powered vehicles in Germany alone   due to fossil fuel rationing during the war.  

The global gasification   market was $480,000,000,000   in 2022.   It's projected   to be worth $700,000,000,000   by 20 30.   And this is all according to Vantage Market Research.   So gasification is a proven technology   and it will work just fine   as the conversion   the the the bridge between   a very undense fuel such as wood scattered about on the forest floor   into a much more dense and usable fuel format  

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like syngas, which is hydrogen,   carbon monoxide,   and methane.   And I just   to just to get you understanding how what wood is. See, this is one of the things that  

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I'm always surprised at just how much it is that I don't know about the world around me.   When when wood burns, what do you think is burning?   I that's the question that I started asking myself.   What is it that you think burns?   When you throw wood into a into a fireplace and you start burning that wood for heat,   what do you think is actually igniting?  

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If you tell me well, duh, Dave, it's it's the wood   that's burning.   Kind of.   Kind of.   You're almost there. It took me a long time to get here. It took me a very long time to get here.   The question becomes  

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what the hell is wood made out of?   And that's   where we get   the full understanding that gasification   is not pie in the sky. It's not tinfoil hatchery.   It's not bullshit.   It actually works and has been working for years years years.   Think of wood like a candle.   Okay, a candle like a regular wax candle.   It's got a wick through that like a we'll call it like the the tabletop candles like a you know, the elegant candle that the taper is what they call because they taper. They go they're long and slender and they go up and they're in the little candlestick holders. Yeah. Yeah. That shit. So there's a wick   that goes through the center of it and then the whole thing is encased by wax.  

What burns?   Is it the wick?   No.   If it was only the wick that   burned, well, you'd have a shitload of melted wax underneath that son of a bitch and it would happen really really quick   because the wick doesn't have that much mass to actually burn.   That's not what's going on here.   When you light the wick, it burns the wick up into the point   that it melts the wax closest to it, and then that wax gets hot enough to do what vaporize.   What's in that wax is hydrocarbons.   And it's the hydrocarbons   that are burning, but they're only burning because they are volatilized   by the action of heat. You need heat to start the chain reaction. So you light the wick and for a little bit the wick burns that's why it turns black.  

But after that, it's not burning the wick anymore.   The wax that's melting is coming up the wick and then is vaporizing   and now you've got volatilized hydrocarbons   like natural gas. Of course, in wax the the hydrocarbons are heavier,   but they still burn.   But they won't burn as a solid mass like a log of wood.   They have to be brought up to temperature like a log of wood, which is why you use kindling.   In wood,   we have the same thing. But think of it think of a log of wood as not only the wick   of the candle,   but also all of the wax all at the same time. It's all together.  

It is struck it's like it has a structure of wick, but that wick itself carries all the fuel.   And that fuel is in the form of like lignin and all kinds of other large hydrocarbon   compounds.   And just like wax,   when they get brought up to temperature,   they become combustible and that's exactly what happens. They combust.   And that's why the gasification   process works.   But in this case, the gasification process doesn't use open fire on the fuel.   It heats up fuel to   up to temperature but once you get it there   it starts producing syngas and then you can pipe that shit right to an internal combustion engine.   Like like you've seen people convert gasoline engines that work on butane or propane or methane.  

It's the same thing.   There are there are whole conversion kits that are not it's not that hard   to   to turn over   an entire gasoline generator to using Syngas and people are doing that and have been doing that for years. And they're running whole generators   off of biomass.   And not CalFART biomass, I'm talking like straight up wood.   And you would, you know, chip the wood down, you get it up to temperature, it starts to gasify.   Now you've got syngas.   So I'm hoping that what I've been able to do right there is get you to get over the hump   of the thought that you there's no way   that you can burn a log of wood and run a car. Yes, you can.  

They did it 500000   times in Germany   back in World War 1 which was before you were born   and the very first experiment with all this shit  

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was 1699.  

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So this is very old and tried and true technology.   And yes, it will work   as a fuel source   as a fuel converter   for the forest walker system.   But there's another situation that's going on in the forest that that causes really bad forest fires to happen.   Sure, there's fuel on the ground.   It's all over the place.   But there's also fuel   in the trees that are living   that would not normally be affected by a mild forest fire,   but they have what sticking out of them   that haven't fallen to the ground yet?   Dead branches.   And this causes 2 problems.  

1,   it has   you've got trees   that from ground all the way to crown, or where all their leaves are, you've got a ladder of fuel. We call it fuel laddering.   So you've got a forest fire comes through. It's burning stuff on the ground and all of a sudden it sees this tree that's got these dead branches hanging off the side and it says yum.   And it starts feeding on that fuel too. And then that heats up the branches above it. And then they ignite. And then that heats up even faster, the branches above that. And blah blah blah, snickety stackety stack and you're into the living   tree   crown. And if you're in a pine tree crown, that shit's really ignitable,   especially if it's the drier forest.  

But because that shit shouldn't be there in the first place for various reasons that I'll get into   we now have a path   from the fire   on the ground   to the fire in the crown and I was gonna put up a picture of it,   for the guys over at zap.stream.   That's when you get into some serious shit because once you get a crown fire going on,   that's when   all the really bad stuff starts happening. That's when tree when trees start dying,   start exploding.   That's when a whole different weather patterns can be made because the just sheer amount of heat being generated from these fires.   That's what I'm talking about. Okay?  

So why is it that those things are still   there? Why why is it that you see dead branches in in next time you go to a forest start looking for this stuff. Start looking how much dead fuel is on the ground? How many dead branches are coming out of the sides of trees?   That's those dead branches in those trees should not be there.   But why are they there today?   Why weren't they there a 100, 200, 300, 400 years ago?   Because in North American forests,   we had what was called   macrofauna.   Great big creatures like the giant beaver, which was as big and I shit you not   as a grizzly bear.  

We had great big armadillos.   We had mastodons   running through the forest.   We had giant elk. We had giant   probably badgers.   There's I mean, the let's see if I can actually hold on for a second. Let me see if I can get to   another part of my notes   and see if I can get a I think I've got a list here.   Yeah,   here's the list   of   during the last ice age in North America.   The we were there was a population of these giant   step bison. There were caribou. There was musk ox. There was giant   beavers.   There were camels here.   Giant camels. Great big camels.   There were gigantic ground dwelling sloths. There was something called a glyptodon,   which was a basically looks like a freaking huge armadillo.  

And there were dire wolves and they were everywhere.   And it's just like could you imagine a 12 foot tall,   you know, woolly mammoth   or a 12 foot tall we'll call it a 12 foot tall,   short faced bear and a 15 foot tall mastodon and or woolly mammoth gets scared and they're next to a forest and they run into the forest. Do you think   that they're not going to completely   cleave off all the dead branches   in that are on these trees   as the years progress.   Every single thing on the side of these trees is going to be cleaved off to a height of about what?   20   feet.  

Well, now a fire can come in and burn just the ground and it's 20 feet away   from the next source of fuel.   So that's why there weren't crown fires back in the day.   As long as   there wasn't enough fuel   to actually ignite a living tree, in which case that's a different story. But we've lost all these mammals   across the world, but we're still talking about just North American   forest. So now our forests are filled with not only a shit ton of fuel on the forest floor that we gotta do something with, otherwise, forests are just gonna continue to burn down to ash and become a moonscape.   Now we've got fuel on the sides of every single freaking tree.  

And that's a laddering event   for a fire to go from the ground   to the crown.   And like I said, that's bad. So what do we do about that shit?   Well, branch drones.   The branch drones is part of the Forest Walker system.   And all it is is a heavy enough drone   that whether or not it continuously flies or it's a drone that can cling to the side of a tree,   identify a dead branch,   and use an implement to saw it off and let it fall to the ground,   I don't care. I don't care if it flies. I don't care if it crawls. I don't care if it swings through the trees.   But again, this is not impossible.  

Doesn't mean it's easy,   but it's   not impossible   to do what I'm saying. So, where does it get its power from?   Is it got like, you know, I mean, does it have its own engine? Nope. It's got a battery.   Well, where does it charge up at?  

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The forest walker   lands on the back of the forest walker,  

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plugs into a charging port. Because the forest walker has an AC generator,   it can charge   batteries,   which be converted to DC, but whatever. You get my point. There's electricity on board.   So as these things are flying around it says, oh, God. I got I got   20% electricity.   So it goes back finds the nearest forest walker because it knows where it is because this is all computer controlled,   lands on the back plugs in,   recharges its batteries,   and each forest walker should carry like, you know, 2 or 3 of these things.   And they just continuously fly through the forest   and they literally prune   all the dead wood off the tree from ground level  

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all the way up to 20 feet just like it used to be.   What about all that dead wood? Isn't that part of the forest?   Isn't that part of the forest thing?   Hold on.  

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Yes.   But what system do we have?   We've got the forest walker that's already around there trying to identify   branches that it can put into the chipper   and take it through the gasification process   to turn it into fuel to feed an internal combustion engine that in turn rotates a generator that makes electricity.   And that electricity   powers the hydraulic pumps on the Forest Walker system.   It charges the batteries   of all the drone or the   what I'm calling the branch drones that all they do is seek out branches that are sticking out that are dead and sticking out on the side of these trees and saw them off.   And it's just a continuous   feeding frenzy.  

So   we've got a forest walker. We've got 2 or 3 of these drones that are walking around.   And if you have a low time preference   and just let this thing do its job   in the little tiny area that it does its job in,   it cleans up all the wood.   All the wood off the side of the trees.   Except for like the great the biggest branches, you know, that's   when you know if it's like the size of you know, oh, I don't know like a   I'm trying to say like as big around as your thigh, probably not. We'll probably leave that on and I think that that would be okay. We really just need to get the majority of this stuff off.   But all of this undense fuel is now being converted to a much denser form of fuel and being utilized to make electricity that drives all the computers.  

It drives the hydraulic pump system so that the thing can walk around.   It's charging batteries so that the branch drones can get all of its charge so that it can go do its thing and it's a continuous   feeding   mechanism   in the forest. It does it all by itself.   It continuously   gathers the fuel and converts it into things that cannot burn or doesn't burn very well because it's taken all the fuel out of it already   and used it to do all the other stuff.   So   but we're going to have electricity that's left over.   Because this thing's not running through the forest. It's like a cow.   It slowly walks. So   to we don't need that much hydraulic pump activity.  

We really don't. And because of that, we it's not going to be sucking down a shit ton of electricity.   The branch drones would probably be using more electricity than the actual forest walker and its chassis walking around the forest   Because it's not it's going to have to take some time on station   to get all this stuff actually chipped up and sent through the system and then it just   slowly   moses its way through the forest.   And as it does so, there's less fuel   load behind it   than there is in front of it. And that's what we're after because now we've managed the forest.   We've helped   manage the forest. We've done the Department of Interior's work for them.  

And what what else happens after that?   Now   now the forest is in a much better condition   to be able to take on a forest fire   and not have a catastrophic outcome   because there's not branches in the tree that allows laddering to the crown.   There's not enough fuel on the ground   to start a bigger fire with the great big massive logs that are on the ground that we're not going to worry about. We're just worried about the small branches.   This is the most undense fuel anybody has ever seen.   Let's see, we're now   just checking to see where we're at. Okay.   Okay. So   that's   sort of the outline of the system,   but there's questions.  

There's a lot of questions about this whole system. I can feel you with your questions.   If you have questions and you're listening in zap.stream,   feel free to drop a question into the chat   because I know you have questions.   Because I still have ongoing questions as to how to make the rest of this thing work.   I'm not done by any stretch of the imagination with this, by the way.   I'm literally not done. I'm just saying that I want to take a pause   and I want to collect my thoughts. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm going to pause the audio for the guys that are going to be listening to this   as a podcast on the Bitcoin and podcast.  

And then I'm gonna jump in here in a few seconds.   Okay. So I'm back. I just needed to take a little bit of a breather.   I found while I was gone,   I found a a really good picture   of what I was talking about. Of course, you guys that are just listening to audio audio only are going to be able to see it, so I'll describe it. But for the guys over at zap.stream, they can see this thing.   And it's basically showing a picture of a forest and it's just like, you know, a few trees in the forest. It's sort of like you're kind of in the thick of things.   But all the trees   that are being shown   from ground   to crown   are ringed with multiple layers of small branches that are frickin dead.  

Dead, dead, dead. Not because the tree's dead,   but because as the forest canopy, you know, starts getting thick denser and denser and less and less light can penetrate into the forest,   trees aren't capricious. They're not just going to let something live that it that's not producing any sugars out of photosynthesis,   so it essentially   kills that branch.   And it was up to the mastodons and woolly mammoths to take that shit out, but in this particular picture,   it they're all over the place.   They're   just waiting for a fire   to say, hey, come come ladder up into my crown and let's let's get this party started.  

And none of that shit should be there. It's completely, completely unnatural.   Because all of the big massive macrofauna   that we used to have, they're all dead.   So now we got to take the place of this shit.   Now I'm not saying that from a, you know, ecological   greeny   left leaning, I believe in, you know, we're all gonna die because of carbon dioxide. You know me. I don't believe in any of that crap.  

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I see an opportunity.  

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And that's what I'm describing to you right now is there's an opportunity   to take advantage of this very undense fuel   and at the same time,   make forests more resilient and put them back on the path to be able to experience   a forest fire because they have to for reasons I'll get to here in a sec. They have to have a fire,   right? But   let's get to the Bitcoin mining portion of this   which I'm actually happy to say   is not the major reason for this system.   It's part   of how this system works,   But it doesn't necessarily   need to be there for this system to work.  

I just don't think that there is a way that I could utilize all the energy   of all the dead crappy wood in a forest, given the description I've just given you,   just by driving hydraulic pumps and charging batteries for these little drone guys to run around and find dead branches on sides of trees   and prune them off.   We're going to have an excess of electricity. We're going to have an electricity   budget.   And I don't think for a second   that the systems involved   in this in the Forest Walker system without Bitcoin mining   make up a majority of all the electricity that can be produced.  

So therefore, we have an excess of electricity being generated.   What do we do with excess   electricity?   We mine Bitcoin.   And your first question should be   anybody in the,   anybody in the zap.stream   chat wanna   chime in, I'll give you I'll give you a couple of hint. I'll give you a hint.  

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We're out in the middle of a forest.   Mining Bitcoin.   Yep. That's right. We're   we're we're a 100 miles away   a 100 miles away from civilization   Anybody?   Anybody?   Nope? Okay.   How you gonna get the data?  

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You're in the middle of a forest.   Shit. You're probably   these things can operate deeper into a forest   than you've ever gone hunting if you're a hunter.   And they can stay there for weeks weeks weeks weeks.   How are they gonna get their internet connection?  

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How are they gonna get their Internet connection?   They're not.   There's no Internet connection.  

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And for those of you say, well, I'm sure at one point another cell phone coverage. No. You know, forget about that shit.   That that   no. No. No. No. No.   Right?   We've got a situation where we can mine Bitcoin,   but we're going to need hold on for a second. I got something weird happened. We're going to need a way to get the block data.   We're we need the chain.   Okay. So   each one of these is fitted out with a minor.   Maybe 2. I don't want to get into the into the how much wattage are we gonna use, how much wattage can we generate. I don't want to do that right now, right? Because that's   that's for that's for later on down the road. But these things can be fitted out with miners. Yes, we can generate enough electricity   depending on the generator size and how much it weighs. We can do at least a couple. And if we do it the right way, we may be able to do even more hash power.  

But we'll get to that I'll think about that one way later.   But for now,   so we've got these, you know, this thing fitted out the forest walker's walking around,   its guy is is,   its guys   its guy is, you know, this guy is already walking around, it's converting fuel,   and   it needs to be able to get a hold of chain data.   And the grinder   basically answers the question, satellite connection.   Correct.   That's absolutely correct.   And it's already used for container mining. Again, the grinder gives that to me. That's also correct.   Right.  

So I've got this thing, it's walking around the forest,   it's chomping down the fuel load of the forest,   and it's mining   bitcoin because we have satellite connection.   Okay, I buy all of that,   except for the major question  

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that comes right now.   How much effect do you think one of these things is going to have?   None,   which is why we need 500   or 5000   a herd.   The Forest Walker system   is a system.   It's not a single individual thing.   It has to be a system.  

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It has to be a networked   herd   of forest walkers   in order for   a) this to do   anything at all when it comes to affecting   the outcome in the future of American or worldwide   forests   by reducing the fuel load because we've changed our environment so much over the past 500 years   Actually, the past 10,000 when you think about it. We're we are talking about these critters that were walking around cleaning off all these branches. That was the last ice age. What was that? 12000 years ago? Somewhere around there? Yeah. We've changed our environment in the last 12000 years. I guarantee it. Be that as it may,   one of these things does not work.  

It takes 100. And of course, you'll get well, and I'm thinking about this too. How much is this shit gonna cost? I don't know dude.   And because I don't know,   there's a problem with what's the return on investment. I don't know. But what I do have is some revenue models, we'll talk about that later. But for right now, we've got one,   We need many.   We've got one that mines bitcoin. We've got one that has a satellite connection, and therefore it can get it can download,   and upload chain data.   Okay, so   we can do that.   And that's not easy, by the way, it's not.  

If you're in a forest,   how you know, depending   on the density of the canopy,   just how much   satellites do you think you're going to be able to see because that's how that shit works, it's line of sight.   Okay?   So now we've we've got another problem on our hands. Now we're now that we've gone up from just having one to having   2 or hopefully   1,000   walking around in the same area,   really actually doing a physical   job of cleaning up and getting rid of all this fuel,   we need a way for all of them to talk together.   We need all of them to be able to share the Bitcoin chain data.  

We need all of them to be able to   circulate   the chain data between themselves and we need to be able to get their hashes back   and back up to the chain,   so that they have a hope in hell of being able to solve   well, not solve. There is no solving.   They're out there flipping coins   to try to find the hash that actually is is a functional hash that will actually get them the coins. Right?  

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Or we can just plug the whole thing into a pool, we can do that too.   But we've got 1,000.   So   and and most of them are gonna be under canopy.  

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But every forest,   and especially depending   on how we start looking at this, let's say we've got 500 of these critters that are walking around doing their job.   What we really need is one specialized   forest walker   that is the communications walker.   And that's the one whose programming   is different.   It's not looking for wood.   It's not point, you know, it's not hosting, you know, drones or whatever.   What its job is is to find   parts in the forest   that have the most access to line of sight to the sky   and it is the one that actually   communicates   heard data   to and well,   it hurt it to   it becomes the conduit   between the satellites in the sky and the data that's offered there   and the herd.  

Takes data from the herd and throws it up into the sky looking at the satellite because that's its job is to find a break. That's all it does.   And it continuously   stays as close to the herd as possible. And the herd,   in turn, stays as close to the communications   walker as possible.   They work in tandem. But how do you connect all these things that are in the forest?  

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You're not running wires between them.  

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Mesh network.   This is where mesh network shit comes in.   Each one of these critters is fitted   with something like the oh, I got it. Should have I should have had it up. Let me see if I can   get a couple of names.   I'm looking for a brand name here.   Oh, come on.   I'm not getting the one that I want.   I'm not getting the one that I want. I'm not getting the one that I want. There there are there are actually several systems. The one that I'm,   actually, hold on. I got one I got a trick up my sleeve. Hold on. Let me let me look at one thing here.   Well, I'm looking for something here.  

Multivoice   is 1. Gotenna. That's the one I was thinking of. If you you've probably heard of Gotenna   because back in the day a bit you know, back in a few years ago in Bitcoin, the CEO of Gotenna was a pretty heavy Bitcoiner.   I don't know if she still is. I haven't heard from her in a long time.   But   we were starting to talk about the possibility of sending transactions via net mesh network.   That idea has never left my head.   And   now, this is the perfect place   for this idea to be installed.   So all these things, they have electricity, so therefore they can power   a little Gotenna. They're not big. They don't take a lot of power.  



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And all it does  

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is connect   every single unit to every other single unit or at least to like maybe 3 or 4   in a mesh network very much like think of how the   communications   walker   That is always in communication   with satellite.   And if, like for instance, like let's say I don't know let's say something happens and and the communications walker   somehow or another loses   connectivity   to the satellite.   Well, a   break mining   command is sent to the entire field and they stop mining.   So that they don't put too much tax, you know, any taxation   on the miners if they're not going to be able to communicate their their data.  

These are the ways that we start to think about systems   level thinking.   That's what this is. It's systems.   It's easy to think about 1,   but one doesn't ever really do anything. You need 100 of either   these things or 100 of people cleaning up a beach in case of an oil spill, whatever it is. Not just one person or one entity can   the blockchain. It's around Bitcoin mining and it's around being in communication with a satellite because they're off in the middle of nowhere doing their thing   all by themselves.   Maybe every once in a while somebody who is a human being and actually hired and this is their job and they love being in a forest and they love hanging out with mechanical critters,   goes out and checks on them. Maybe fixes some stuff because things are going to break.  

Yeah, Anand says Gotena. There he is.   So this is   the way that we coordinate 100 of these things. Now that we're up to the scale of 100, if not maybe a1000,   we really do need to start looking at cost  

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and ROI.   Right? I mean, we we can't just   be all science fiction all damn day long.   Now, again,   there's no way to know how much this shit costs.   This is an idea.   This isn't something that I'm pitching to a VC.   This isn't something I'm pitching to 10:31.  

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This is an idea and it's the whole thing about this. The the reason I even bring it to you is like you're like going, David, why are you even wasting your fucking time? Because this is the way that we need to start thinking about   extraordinary   use cases for Bitcoin.   Not just let's go over to the African village and give them light because they've got a river and a waterfall.   Listen,   natural   gas I mean, I'm not saying that all these ideas are dumb. None of them are. They're all wonderful ideas.   But one one of the things that I've noticed is that bitcoin mining has gone   started from the most dense   energy   usage points   straight up grid infrastructure.  

Back in the day, people plugging in a 1000000 laptops into their, you know, their AC outlets at home, and they were mining   bitcoin.   But they were coming straight from the grid. It was the like some of the most dense energy usage that you'll ever see.   Since then,   bitcoin has sought   more actually the least how to say   this? Less dense fuel sources   year over year over year over year. And now we're firmly planted into the renewable resources, like 56% of Bitcoin mining uses renewable energy.   Hydroelectric,   solar,   wind,   you name it.  

But, you know, mining like natural gas off of the gas produced inside of a landfill.   We're getting into some very undense territory. And my   how do how does David react?   David does this, how   least can we find the most least   dense   energy source on the face of the planet?   I found it.   Deadwood in a forest scattered over 1,000,000 of acres. Nobody wants to do that shit.   The Department of Interior is not going to hire a whole bunch of prisoners to go through a forest and clean it up.   That's that has never happened. It's never going to happen, which is one of the reasons why when all these people say the following,   they're gonna robots and AI's gonna take our jobs. This has never been a job.  

This has never been even in the days of the Public Works Administration   in the freaking Depression of the United States was this ever a job.   But it could hire a couple of people to go out and take care of these critters.   That's a job that was never there before.   Nobody ever was paid to walk through the forest and pick up dead wood.   Because before first of all, before we started messing with the forest, we didn't have to. But now that we've been messing with the forest,   somebody's gonna need to. But nobody's gonna pay anybody to do it. And nobody out of their altruistic,   good natured, self, you know, respecting thing is going to go out all by themselves and do it. And if they did, they're wasting their time because there's not enough people to actually do it.  

So we build a system   that has multiple potential revenue models   that can operate all by themselves   to go out   and do this shit for us.   And that's the forest walker system. And again, the whole reason to even bring you this is   how can we start   using our imaginations   to think of the most wild,   outlandish ways   to combine Bitcoin mining as a potential revenue stream   into other systems   that without that one piece   might not ever have a hope in hell of ever being profitable.   And this would be one of them.   Because there are other there are other revenue streams   as far as this is concerned.  

And let's I before we end today, I've got I would be remiss if I didn't at least come up with a couple of things as to how can this possibly   make any money whatsoever because you're not   you're not making   all your money on bitcoin mining. If you've got 2,000 of these things. Why? You're   if you're able to carry   4 or 5   ASIC mining or mining rigs worth of ASICs on each one of these critters,   unless you've got 2,000 of them, you're not going to be able to compete very well.   To build 4 or 5000 of these things? Holy shit.   Talking about some serious upfront capital capital expenditures.  

So there has to be   other things   that you can get money for.   In this particular system,   I've got a couple.  

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1, and fur this is first and foremost,  

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is working   a contract   with the United States Department of Interior   to do forest fuel load management.   You go up to them and you say, hey, look,   I'm not gonna bend you over a barrel but we, you know,   I'm gonna, you know, I'm offering a service   that will allow   you guys to not have as many forest fires.   And the forest fires that do break out   are forest fires that you don't really have to worry about other than, you know, possibly containing it, so that it doesn't burn through you know people's you know neighborhoods.   Instead of like dropping people into the center of you know,   mountain Rocky Mountain National Forest   in the middle of nowhere and they're parachuting in and trying to fight this thing  

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out in the middle of nowhere,  

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that's a lot of money. That's a lot of fuel expenditure. But if we can start getting the fuel loads   squelched down   and have a low time preference to do it, then maybe I can go and sell the whole project   to the Department of Interior and say this system will   help manage fuel loads to the point   that forest fires won't be scary and dangerous and catastrophic.   I bet you   bet you those contracts would be worth price of admission to this system all by itself.   2nd,   I glanced over it at the beginning of the show.   But after   this thing   is running through the, like, all the, you know, 5 let's say let's just keep it to a1000. A1000 of these things   running, you know, walking through the forest,   grazing on the wood, turning it to syngas,   bitcoin mining, and doing all the other neat things that it does.  

It produces   something called biochar,   not just the syngas.  

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In the gasification   process,  

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one of the outcomes   of gasification   after all of the heavy hydrocarbons have been, you know, melted out of it and turned to vapor and used as fuel.   There's one thing that's left behind and that's the carbon skeleton of the wood.   Now,   if I have a pound of wood oh, actually, let's say I have   let's say I have one for let's make it metric, so I can do a 100. Let's say that I've got a 100 grams of wood   and I convert   as much of the hydrocarbons in that wood to volatilized   fuel that I then use as in an internal combustion engine,   4 grams   all the way up to possibly 20 grams,   depending on the gasification   process   will be left over as pure carbon.  

No hydrocarbons   because that would be hydrogen and carbon like gas or oil. No. This is just carbon very much more like the charcoal that you use for a grill except that the charcoal you use for your grill   has a lot more hydrocarbons in it than you might imagine and that's why it burns for so long. If you were to take this bio char which is charcoal and light it on fire and try to cook a steak,   you'd light this thing on fire, you would walk inside your the house to go get the steak that you want to grill and you would come outside and you would have no fire because it would be that quick.   There's no hydrocarbons in it.  

Structurally,   biochar does some really cool shit.   But in this particular   revenue model case, we're looking for carbon credits.   Right now,   everybody and and I'm talking Greta Thunberg   and the guys at the UN and all the people that are hysterical   about how we're all going to die   because carbon dioxide is the most evil thing on the planet,   they're talking about a carbon credit and the the nature of that is carbon markets. And I know we're all laughing about all this, but if these guys are going to be stupid enough to do this,   I'm going to be smart enough to take advantage of it.  



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Now,   I'm going to do it in a way, and I'm about to describe it to you, that kind of makes sense.   Right?   But   I'm not going to not take their money.   Now, how much is a carbon credit?  

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What   what's been bandied about and sort of seems to be settled on over the last 2 years   is that if I can prove to   Greta Thunberg   that I was able to completely sequester   1 ton of carbon.   And that it's not going to be burned and I can prove it. And it's not going to get out in the atmosphere and I can prove it. And somehow or another, it's going that one ton of carbon will stay one ton of carbon   and not convert to anything, any other gaseous forms, and I can do that for at least 10 years or something, I think it's somewhere around 10 years,   then I get $100.  

The Forest Walker system with a 1,000 of these critters walking around,   you're talking about   tons per hour   of carbon.   You're talking about $100   bills being printed per hour.   Now, if if and only if we can actually engage with the carbon markets   and our sales and our our provable   production of carbon and sequestration of that carbon can be proven. And they say, yes we'll do business with you because I don't I kind of suspect that it's gonna be at, you know, like a good old boys club.   But if we can,   then we're printing $100 bills,   many of them,   every single day   along with   the contracts   for the Department of Interior.  

So what what the the way that this my the way that my thinking is built is   I'm going to tell the department of interior I'm going to handle their fuel loads and they give me a contract to do it. It. That fuel load, I can then convert into carbon in which I'm going to go to a different set of people   and tell them, hey,   I can prove that I'm sequestering tons of carbon in pure carbon format per day. I want my carbon credit money. And then they give me the carbon credits as money in which I can trade on the open market. I can sell them to other people who need them. Yes. That system is dumb, but if I get money out of it and they're dumb enough to do that, I'm going to take their money.   Don't think for a second that I am like a 100%   halo wearing angel.  

I will take their money.   I don't think these people need to be in existence,   but if as long as they are   and as long as they're gonna hold out their hand with money and as long as I can take that money I'm going to take the money.   So that's 2 revenue streams. Department of Interior contracts   and those contracts can extend because chances are good there might be a problem with the Department of Interior even allowing this to happen, which we'll get into later. But for now, let's say they do. That's one way to make money.   And private   forestry services, there's private forest land. They need management too. They'll pay more   to make sure that that Weyerhaeuser,   their forests don't burn down before they can cut all the trees down and make paper out of it. They're going to pay me money to do this shit. They don't want their forest to burn.  

They're gonna want management.   So even if the Department of Interior says screw   off, we don't want that system walking through our forest. I guarantee you I can find some private forest that will and there will be enough fuel there to make it worth my while.   Now, 3, Bitcoin mining.   Because all the time that this is going on,   Bitcoin is being mined in the background.   How   much? I don't know.   We this is where we I I sit down and actually do numbers.   Of course, I might find out that none of this shit works,   but I'll bet it does.   Because that's the 3rd revenue source and I'm not done. I'm not done by a long shot with revenue models.  

And I don't really need to explain the revenue model of Bitcoin mining other than the fact that maybe   maybe we could consider this machine to machine payment system.   Maybe what if   I may what if this system makes so damn much money   that I don't have to care about the Bitcoin mining? And then all of a sudden I set it up to where maybe I've got a machine like another machine that actually goes out and fixes   all of the forest walkers. Now we're getting a little bit into science fiction but   not for much longer. Machines are going to start fixing machines. Machines have been building cars for years,   right? This isn't impossible. It's just   maybe a little bit more improbable,   but still how do they pay for that repair work? Maybe they pay them maybe they pay the repair machine that walks around in Bitcoin.  

I don't know.   But this is a way to start thinking, how do we fit Bitcoin   with some of the most, you know, your depths of imagination.   How can Bitcoin fit into that? This is how Bitcoin fits into that. This is a 3rd   revenue generating model, and it also soaks up all of the excess electricity budget that these things will and I guarantee they will produce more energy than they actually use. I gotta funnel that energy somewhere. Gonna be bitcoin mining.  

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Dataset sales.  

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Datasets.   I've got a 1,000 critters walking through a forest.   How about I fit them with lidar?   Every single one of them.   Lidar.  

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Light detection and ranging,   like radar.   It's just a laser,  

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except that it can detect the return of that laser and it can paint a 3 d picture of what's going on.   So what would I get out of a 1,000   lidar, you know, enabled critters   that are all walking in the same patch of land and they're all basically their lidars are crossing over each other I'm getting a full   360   degree   three d representation   of the size   of all of the woods.   Why does that matter? Well, if I was hired by Weyerhaeuser,   they would want to know how many board feet of lumber they have at any given time. I can map the whole son of a bitch for them.   And that's already being done.  

North, was it Inland Northwest Forest Management Company   up here where I'm living, they do that with a drone   already. They just fly it over and they make a three-dimensional map. But I've got 1,000 of these critters on the ground, so I'm getting hyper accurate data of natural   resources.   Even the Department of Interior might want to know how much board feet of lumber they have.   That would because they could put that shit on their books. They've never been able to put that   shit on their books. They've never been able to really assess and   value   how much this shit would be sold on for the open market, but that's not all. I'm not done.  

Topography.   Hyper   accurate topographic maps.   Those can be sold too. Why? Because they're scanning the ground. Not only are they scanning each other in the trees and all that kind of shit, they're scanning everything.   360   degrees   and by 360 degrees,   I'm getting a complete picture of what the hell is going on   from a 1,000 different data points continuously.   See?   So you would see what I'm getting at?   Now I have hyper accurate topographical   maps,   which I won't directly get into how that can actually be used, but   let's say forest runoff or like like heavy floods   can cause serious erosion,   these types of maps can kind of forecast where you might see heavy erosion in different rain events even in deep forest.  

This is part of a natural resource management plan, and nobody's been able to do this because nobody's ever had the wherewithal to put a 1,000 different data points that are just continuously roaming the forest   because there's no money in it. I think we just found a way to put money into it because   I can sell those datasets to who? The Department of the Interior,   through the USDA,   the Department of Agriculture, and the Forest Service. They're gonna wanna know.   And we don't have to pay we don't have to, you know, charge them a goddamn arm and a leg either,   but enough to keep the system running and a little bit more to pay the people that actually put the whole thing together. I don't see anything wrong with that. And if they wanna pay more than that, all power to them.  



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I don't give a shit   because I'm not done.   I've got a 1,000   roving   points of data collection.  

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What else can I collect? Weather data,   Pressure,   temperature,   and even in a forest, you might want to know where the winds blowing.   Because a forest, you know, a forest weather ecoculture   or,   ecology is completely different than what's going on above the ground.   Nobody's ever done that before either. That might be worth something. You could sell that shit.  

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Now,  

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along with the Department of the Interior and its fuel mitigation contracts   and the private concerns   also wanting fuel mitigation contracts, guess what else wants fuel mitigation?  

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And that they cannot get anybody to actually do it.   Townships.  

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There's a little town that I go to.   Yeager, we'll get to the permaculture thing. I promise.   Townships.   There's a little town that I go to every year in Southwest Colorado   and the fuel load in the forests that are right next to $1,000,000   homes is exquisite,   and I don't mean that in a good way.   I mean, this is a force that is already freaking   burned.   I mean cat cat cat catastrophic   burn. Not lightly burned, not a mild burn, not the burn that I'm talking about, like, you know, before the last ice age when we had like macrophon and shit like that. No no no no.   No, I'm talking about the bad kind of exquisite fuel load. And it's it's   bad.  

And all these people almost lost their homes once and it took   100 of 1,000,000 of dollars worth of firefighting   for that shit to be mitigated and all they did was save the town.   That's all they did.   System like this   because it, you know, just runs around takes a long time to do it.   You wouldn't have needed   you would not have needed the kind of fire suppression   that you need that they needed when the Missionary Ridge fire happened   in what was it 2,004?   Well no, 2001. It was like 2,012,002   somewhere around there Missionary Ridge Fire in Durango or around Durango, Colorado. Look it up. Look how bad that thing was.   There's a whole bunch of townships that would also enter into   contractual agreements as long as it wasn't onerous and you weren't trying to just bend them over a barrel.  

They would love to have your services   come through   and take all the deadwood from around the town and then maybe even get into the   town. Right? That that's another way to actually make money.   Now, going back to Yeager when he says what does this mean for permaculture?   The biochar by itself   is is an issue because here's here's what we got.  

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We've   got a critter walking around inside of a forest that's grazing on wood,  

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converting it to fuel, and it's   shitting biochar   and pissing wood vinegar, which I have not got into wood vinegar yet.   I'm going to do an entirely separate show just on biochar   as it pertains to this system.   Then I'm going to do a completely separate show   just on wood vinegar as it pertains to this system.   But for now, all you need to know   is that biochar in the soil   does a couple of things.   It will suck up   7 times its weight in water and hold on to it. Which means that wherever biochar is and the more of it that's there, the more and more drought resilient that land becomes.   It has to be in the soil   but there's a lot of soil life in forest that all you really have to do   is after these things come through and they continuously   shit out their little pellets of biochar is just to leave it on the ground.  

Duff and earthworms and squirrels   and all kinds of stuff are eventually going to turn that under into the first inch or half inch of soil and as long as it's covered,   you're going to get the benefits of that. And the other thing that gets benefits of biochar being in the soil is all the microfauna   and flora like   mycorrhizal fungi,   all kinds of bacteria that fix nitrogen for trees to eat because you don't always need mycorrhizal   fungi. That's not the only thing that does it. There's bacteria that do it too.   Does it.  

They find a place to live, to take shelter.   It also acts as a nutrient battery, not just a water battery, so it soaks up nitrogen   and it clings onto it.   It buffers pH.   It does a whole bunch of shit. And again, I'll get into that. I'll get into all that in a completely different show that's coming up for this. But this show   is simply to talk about   how the system works,   what it's supposed to do,   kind of what it looks like,   and how its revenue models   might work. It doesn't mean that they will work, but it does mean that they might work.   So biochar   gives me the capacity   to make a forest   water resilient.  

Nutrient resilient because it's buffered.   PH resilient because it's pH buffered because of this.   The amount of critters, the little tiny microscopic critters that can now find shelter   where they because we you we've been depleting our soils of carbon for a long time. It's time to put the carbon back. That's honestly where the ship belongs. Because it does so much when it's there. I don't need to worry about us dying because of carbon dioxide for me to love be in love with carbon. It's my favorite element in the periodic table and always has been because it's just freaking incredible.   But it's not poison. It's not dangerous.  

You need to have it. You need to have it to live and so does the earth. And we need more carbon in the actual   soil   to retain water and nutrients and buffer pH.   Buffer salts   allow your critters to have homes and so they can reproduce and and become, you know, extraordinarily   prolific again like they used to be. And the soil will end up doing things you've never imagined.   And that means being able to infiltrate   10 times more water than we can see soils today infiltrate   because we destroyed this. That's what was supposed to happen in the forest fires. There was supposed to be a whole bunch of carbon left over too. That doesn't happen because shit burns so hot that it burns the carbon directly all the way to carbon dioxide so you can't retain it.   Now we don't even get that. So forest soils have been depleted of their carbon as well. We can put all that shit back.  

We put all that shit back. The amount of freaking research grants that can be written   to make this shit work,   to study the effects of it long term,   by itself makes it   a profitable endeavor.   I'm not talking about getting yachts like   Jeff Bezos. I'm not talking about flying around the world in 10 different fucking planes. You I mean, if you really want that, you're gonna have to do something else. But this can make money   and it can do it in a way that   anybody attached to it will be able to say, I'm carbon neutral.   See how I'm helping. I don't care if they do that.  

As long as they give me money, I don't give a shit. And as long as I get to actually do what needs to actually be done instead of get having to go to a party and, like, hang out with Greta Thunberg,   then I'm good. I'll take their money. I don't give a shit. I really don't. I want I'd love to see this thing in action.   Because the more carbon that you can put in the soil the better off it gets. I'll do a whole show about that. I've got one already prepped.   Now wood vinegar is the pea   because it's liquid.   It is the excrement from this system   that is the liquefied form of the gasification   process because there's 2 2 there's 4 byproducts. There's syngas, there's heat, there's biochar, there's wood vinegar.  

Wood vinegar   is a growth stimulant and   a whole lot more.   But I'm not going to talk about that because I need to actually draft the whole show for wood vinegar, but that comes out of this system too.   So let's just let's end here by saying this.   Think of a cow.   A cow goes around and it eats grass.   It doesn't have to be directed.   It knows where to go get the grass   and it eats the   grass. It has an entire system internalized to itself that takes that grass   and ferments it into vitamins   and fats   and proteins   and all kinds of stuff that the cow needs to live.   After all that systematic work is done,   the cow does 2 things.  

It poops out   all the grass that it cannot use anymore because it's been fermented to the capacity of its rumen   that its rumen allows.   And it's no longer it needs to be gotten rid of it's now excrement.   So it poops it out.   What does manure do to ground? Have you ever gone   and bought manure?   Right?   The other thing that a cow excretes after   just as a matter of course of it doing there is urine,   which is filled with what?   Nitrogen,   which is what?   A fertilizer   and also a gross stimulant.   The forest walker system   will work because it mimics a natural system that's already been proven.   It's already been proven. The cow is the model for this system.  

It's just that cows cannot eat wood.   They have to eat grass.   This   eats the wood.   It fills a gap.   The fact that humans had to, like, you know, have to actually build this thing, to me, I'm not upset about that.   I'm not upset that God didn't make something that ate wood, produced syngas, mined Bitcoin, shat   biochar and pissed wood vinegar. I don't need to. I don't need to be upset that that doesn't exist. Why? Because humans exist.   And it's our imagination   and our ability to come up with some of the most outlandish   things ever and figure out ways to make them fucking work.  

The fact that we're here fills that gap.  

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So,   the next shows are gonna be about biochar   and wood vinegar.   And maybe we'll do another one that touches on some of the things, like if you have quite actually, that's what I want. The 4th show needs to be y'all's questions.   So you need to get a hold of me,  

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and you can do so. I'll give you my email. Fuck it. David   dotbennett.c   atgmail.com.   That that's my that's the email that I use basically for all subscriptions and stuff like that. Right? I've got another email that I don't give out, but I'll give out my gmail account. It's david.bennett.c   atgmail.com.   That's david.bennett.c   Send me your questions. And not just questions.   Tell me why it won't work.   I need to know why you think it won't work. Don't be rude. Just say, hey, it's not gonna work because of this. And until that shit is fixed,   you you you've got nothing but an, you know, you've got nothing but a bad idea. I want to hear those. What I don't want to hear is bitcoin sucks therefore all this shit's stupid. I'm not even gonna respond.  

But if you've got a really good argument as to why this shit won't work, or something else, something that you're like, I   now I've got an idea. Well, then tell it to me. I promise I don't steal people's ideas. I don't do that shit.   In fact, if I had been real smart, I would have kept this one to myself. But   an idea that you never let anybody else know about   is as good as the idea that you never had.   I'll see you on the other side.   This has been Bitcoin, and and I'm your David Bennett. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and hope to see you again real soon.   Have a great day.