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The Cathedral Project’s guiding principles — a thousand-acre, thousand-year silvopasture system governed by three laws: fertility, productivity within ecological limits, and restricted synthetic inputs.
Perimeter and tree lane design — black walnut as the primary tree, supported by thornless honey locust and black locust for nitrogen fixation, chemical buffering, fodder, and craft lumber.
Hedgerows as living fences — dense, hog-tight barriers that control livestock movement, shelter wildlife, produce berries, and support integrated pest management.
Mycorrhizal networks and biochar integration — creating an underground communication, nutrient, and water-transfer system that functions as a living computer and nutrient battery.
Succession management and product diversification — planned harvest cycles for craft wood, nut crops, animal fodder, and premium meat production, with the system functioning as a clock, calendar, and computer.

Part I: Cathedral: One Thousand Acre-Years
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It is 10:36AM   Pacific Daylight Time. It is the thirteenth day. It's what? Wednesday, the thirteenth,   of August twenty twenty five. And this is episode eleven forty six of Bitcoin and we won't be talking about Bitcoin today. This is a Cathedral   episode.   I'm going to do or attempt to do   the second installment of the Cathedral   Project Series   where we are talking about   a thousand year   silvopasture   project.   Yeah, I know. It's not   it's not gonna be Bitcoin And this is a a Bitcoin show, but   there's the the here's the thing about Bitcoin is that without the rest of the world,   Bitcoin doesn't matter. It just   doesn't.  

There are other things. There are people that want to be chefs. There are people that want to be gardeners. There are people that are lawyers and doctors.   And all of us use money. And that includes permaculturists.   That includes silvopasturists.   That includes   ranchers and farmers and agriculturalists.   And all   everybody uses money. Everybody. Right? So without being able to have a stable economic future,   then all of that doesn't matter either.   It takes both things. It takes the things that we do   to make society what it is, but that society and those people   require a good money. And that is actual Bitcoin,   not any of this other crap that's running around.  

But   why does it matter here?   Why does good money matter here?   Because it enables us to be able to dream   once again.   We can dream about things   that honestly nobody would ever waste their time on dreaming about simply because   what's the point?   The money is broken.   And now we've been able to actually   fix the money.   And now we can dream again. And this is   one of the dreams that will not leave me alone.   I'm calling it Cathedral because it reminds me of the way that the old   old world   used to do things.   It used to take centuries   to build a cathedral.  

Let's just think about old Europe, the old European cathedrals.   Whoever it was that commissioned the cathedral   was never going to see its completion,   and they knew it. They weren't fooling themselves.   They weren't lying to themselves. They weren't actually, you know, thinking, oh, I can't wait to see this built. No.   That that's not the way it worked. And it also didn't work for the people that worked on the project, the the stonemasons   and the people that were doing part of the wood framing and   the the guys that handled mortaring, I would have bricklaying, all of those guys. It would take several generations   and many of those people would hand   their brickwork down to their sons   and their sons to their sons. And there it was a legacy of work.  

Everything about a cathedral in Old Europe was legacy based,   and this is no different.   So let's just give you a quick recap in case you haven't heard the first part of the cathedral series. I'm just going to do a quick recap.   The entire   Legacy   Cathedral   that I'm thinking of is based around   three laws.   The first law is that the land must become more fertile,   abundant   and life giving   every single year.   The second law is that every square inch must maximize its productivity   without violating   the first law   that's the caveat right there and that introduces   some interesting potentials into the future   but the third law   is that no synthetic chemistry   may ever be used   unless its absence   would violate   the first   or the second law. So it gets a little bit more interesting, doesn't it? Yes.  

This is a repurposed   form of Isaac Asimov's   three rules of robotics.   Except here,   they they also make a sort of sense.   You've got to have some guiding principles on a legacy project like this, and that's why I've written the rules the way that I've written them. So we are talking about 1,000 acres.   Alright? That that's the plot of land that I'm thinking of. That's about a mile and a half by a mile and a half on a side. That is pretty much 1,000 acres.   It is   the perimeter.   Just think of it as a square for now. Yes. I know a lot of parcels of land are not squarish.   This the way that I'm presenting Cathedral right now is a model and it will have to be   reformatted   given the landscape that it's put on and some landscapes you will just never be able to put this on. You would never be able to do this at the top of a 13,000 foot mountain. You would also not be able to do it in places that are just, I don't know, a swamp or hilly. I mean, there's context here. Right? So just when when I think of this, I think of this as a project   that takes a blown out hay field, something that's been hayed for forty years, has completely destroyed the soil, and this entire system is built to regenerate   that soil   and stay productive and become more productive every year for at least a thousand years.  

So the whole square is wrapped   by a perimeter of trees.   That's the that's the first thing.   There are two there are two main exits or entrances. There's at least one exit and one entrance to the system. One is on the East side and one is on the West side. And the animals that will be grazing in the system   move into the entrance.   They move around   all of the grazing lanes, which we'll get to in a second,   and then exit the system   at the end of the full year.   Right? And they, by that time,   hopefully ready for those that are going to be cold and slaughtered   to be cold and slaughtered, that they're fat enough, that they're big enough, that they're, you know, they've got enough nutrition in them that they can now be harvested   as the meat animals that they are.  

But I'm getting ahead of myself because the interior   is alternating tree lanes that go from north to south, and there's there's a reason for that.   The length of which   is about, like, I think it's 1,700   feet. It's almost almost   these tree lanes go almost to the opposite edge, but they they alternate. Now, again,   this was described   in great detail in the first episode of this series. So if you have not listened to that, I will put   a link in the show notes so that you can go listen to it.   It's like well over an hour long in the description of of the general layout. So if you're confused as to what's going on, go listen to that one first. Now for the rest of us that know what's going on, let's get into   a little bit more detail about the perimeter   and the tree lanes. That's all we're really gonna talk about   is what how are they built? What are they built with? What's their purpose? How do they function? We're gonna talk about all of that.  

Now caveat, I'm working from an outline.   Right? So there may be times when you hear me pause because I'm looking at what the hell's in my outline   and,   well, fabricating a way to impart that to you   here on the fly on the Bitcoin ad podcast.   So let's talk about the perimeter first.   It's the first line of structure.   It's the it's the it's the walls in which the cathedral is built. And and I don't mind thinking about them. This whole thing is sort of a walled garden. Right?   They we need walls.   So at the very edge of the perimeter, if you were to just walk up to this thing and you just walk up from any direction,   the first thing at the property line you're going to see is a dirt road.  

And then you're going to see a line of support trees. We'll get to that here in a second.   And then you're going to see the primary trees. And then you're going to walk. So you've walked over the dirt road. You've walked past the first line of support trees. And now you're in the primary trees, which is, in this case, black walnut.   And then you walk further, and there's another line of support trees.   And then you can't walk any further.   Why?   Because there's a hedge   row, a thick hedge row, an animal   tight hedge row. In fact, not just animal tight,   hog type. Because if a hog can't get through that hedge row,   ain't nothing get through and getting through that hedgerow.  

Hog tight is about as tight as you can make anything. But if you were   able to get to the other side of the hedgerow,   you will see   another road.   And the entire interior, all the tree lanes, all the inside perimeter   is wrapped with a secondary perimeter road because access to all parts of this place is critical. If you do not have access,   you cannot manage a thing.   To be able to manage anything, and this is going to be a high intensity management system, you have to have access. So that's why there's so much emphasis   on an exterior perimeter road   and an interior perimeter road.  

So let's   think about the the species of the trees that are in the perimeter.   And this this goes into the tree lanes too, but   black locust trees   thornless honey locust trees those are the two kinds of support trees   so why why a locust species   They do a lot of work.   They're not they're not just there to be pretty. They they're actually going to do a ton of work for us.   For one,   if I were to just plant   black or, black walnut trees   and then try to grow a hedgerow,   even if it's well outside   of its leaf drop zone, it won't work   because juglone.  

It's it is a   it walnut trees, pecan trees, black walnut,   all of these trees   commit   chemical warfare.   They drop   in their leaves and some sometimes in their in their twigs, but not so much in the wood. It's generally in their leaves and especially in the husks   of either the pecan or the walnut, the husks that wrap over the shell of the pecan. When those things and the leaves drop, they carry this chemical called juglone,   and it really inhibits other plants' ability to uptake water.   That's   really the main chemical action of juglone.   And what it's designed to do is to make sure that the walnut and the pecan tree does they don't have any competition.  

They just literally kill everything   that they can drop their leaves on.   So but the leaching of the juglone to the side would would not allow me to be able to grow   anything   at all.   So what I   do   is I use juglone resistant trees on either side   of the black walnut tree so because they don't care.   And they'll they'll just uptake everything. Like, they'll   they will literally soak up all the juglone water. It's not really gonna be able   to get anywhere past   the root masses of the black locust and the honey locust tree.   So it will be a chemical buffer   between the black walnut tree and the hedgerows.  

And that's why I am   positive   that the hedgerows will actually be able to thrive to the point that they are so thick   and so tightly knit   that they will be hogged tight. Now, does that mean that there won't ever have to be maintenance done on them? Yes. There will always have to be. This entire thing   is a management nightmare, and that's one of the reasons why this project fascinates me so much is because   there's a way to manage this. Not by one person. It would it'll take a team of people, but that's for later episodes. We'll talk about management of this entire thing   way later on.  

But for right now, our main tree is a black walnut tree.   Our support trees are honey locust and black locust trees. And then we've got hedgerows. And those black those those locust trees are specifically designed   to be where they are to act as chemical buffers   against the juglone chemical attack from the walnut trees or pecan trees if that's   if if that was a choice.   Now   they also do another thing.   Nitrogen fixation   is part of what a legume does.   What's funny   is that while a black locust tree is a legume,   a honey locust is not.   However, it does have what's called associative   nitrogen fixation.  

It doesn't it's not necessarily a legume,   so it doesn't have the little nitrogen fixation nodules all on its roots,   but it does   help other soil critters   fix nitrogen.   But they're not just there for that. So think about this way.   I got a I got a row of black, black walnut trees. They're at one point or another, they're gonna need to be fertilized.   Well, why not just plant fertilizer   permanently   right next to the root zone of the black walnut tree?   That that that's why these are that's one   of many reasons why these things these black locust and honey locust trees are there. We've already talked about chemical defense. So that's one reason. The other reason is that they're going to actually   dump   plant available   nitrogen   into the soil   right where   the tree that is the black walnut tree needs it, right at its root zone.  

The theory is I'll I'll never ever have to actually   dump chemical   nitrogen fertilizer   on any of these things. The tree lanes themselves will be self fertilizing and there's a couple of other ways to do that again later episodes. But that's one of the other reasons why locust trees are in this particular tree lane.   There's another function here.   Craft lumber and rot resistant posts   and animal fodder. Okay. So let's let's break that down a little bit.   Have you ever seen black walnut wood?   It's gorgeous.   And and just English walnut wood. I mean walnut wood. Go price   it. Go price walnut wood. Go get hit Google or or AI or whatever it is that you wanna hit and go price on a board foot   situation   the price of walnut   and   be amazed at how expensive that shit is. And it's expensive for a lot of reasons. One,   it's hard,   which makes it durable.  

But it's also   fairly easy to craft   from a carpentry standpoint. It's not like working with something like Brazilian ironwood, which literally dulls everything it sees.   So it's gorgeous wood. It's expensive wood, and we're growing   black walnut,   which is   gorgeous,   expensive   wood.   Alright. So but then,   outside of that, we've got honey locust,   thornless   honey locust, by the way, that has to be thornless. Otherwise, it that son of a bitch starts putting out big   Jesus you know, crown of Jesus thorns on it, and that thing needs to come down. It they have to be thornless. Otherwise,   real damage can occur.  

But   both the honey locust   as well as the black locust   also make for high quality craft lumber. It's not anywhere close to as expensive as what you would pay for for black walnut wood,   but it is really high quality wood.   It's the now for the black locust tree in particular,   if you   have   black locust that's grown for four or five years and is relatively straight and most of them are unless they get into a really funky situation,   they grow really long straight   poles.   If you use those poles   in   soil contact, like, let's say, fence posting,   you   Yeah. That's what that's what America was built on. The the the black locust has been known as building   the Early Americas   or at least the the The United States, like, at the time of the settlers and shit like that because those posts   are rot resistant. They actually have a fungicide   as part of their chemical makeup contained in the wood.  

So those posts will last in the ground for anywhere between seventy to a hundred years.   I've seen I've seen people's or I've heard people talk about   black locust wood posts that have lasted in the ground in full soil contact with no protection between the post and the soil   for a hundred years.   Do that find find me any other wood that does that. You won't.   Black locust does it does it in space, but it also makes some really pretty craft lumber. It's hard, but it's easily craftable.   So because it's really hard,   you could actually use it as flooring.  

I I'm just saying these these are all potential products,   but one of the most immediate products that I need   is animal fodder.   Black locust, in particular, its leaves   are really high in nitrogen.   Some people have said anywhere between   2535%   pure nitrogen.   Dry weight. That's   dry weight.   Why would I need that? I I need my animals to have nitrogen. They've gotta be able to build protein.   Nitrogen   is what builds protein,   at least in animals. Well, actually, in in everything, in plants too. Because the amino acids that are part of any protein chain,   they are they are nitrogenous containing. And if you don't have nitrogen,   son, you ain't getting protein.  

So   in and this is gonna go into the management part, which is a a sep gonna be a separate   podcast episode.   We're going to be what's called pollarding   the black locust trees at the top, which means at about six to eight feet up, I'm going to basically delim   the black locust trees   and not all of them all at once.   Right? This is part of the time management   that's going to have to go into the cathedral project. But let's just keep it simple. Just think of   I've got cows that are coming through the grazing lanes which are between each of the tree lanes.   And I will I have not only grazing   material on the ground,   I have   tree fodder.  

Now this is actually a concept that cut that I learned   from   oh, what what's that guy's name? Oh, he wrote the he wrote the book Tree Crops,   and I I am totally fumbling   this guy's name, although I can find it here really quick. Jay Russell Smith.   If you have not picked up Tree Crops and it's an old book, I mean, I think nineteen thirties,   maybe,   something somewhere around   there. It's an excellent book that talks about all manner of different kinds of trees and what they produce and what you can do with it. And in this particular case,   I'm talking about using   using it as a supplemental   fodder especially   nitrogen   rich fodder. So we pollard the trees about anywhere between six and eight foot up   it won't kill the black locust tree especially if you do it at a particular time of year but again that's a management issue. So we take the tops of the trees off.  

We go and we basically lay it into the field and let the cows munch on the leaves, and they will.   They will.   They're they're going to want this stuff. It's it's pretty palatable to animals.   It is a great nitrogen supplement.   So now I've got no not only the grazing alleys   that are feeding the animals.   I've got tree fodder, and I've got thousands of these trees.   Thousands of them. How to manage that is part of the puzzle.   But just for right now, realize that everywhere I go   on this land, there's food   everywhere   for these animals.  

Okay. Now there's another tree that's in the support lanes, aren't there?   That would be the thornless honey locust.   Not really gonna pollard those.   Maybe.   It it depends.   Where they where they shine for animal fodder is not in the leaves.   It's in these very long pods that they grow, and they're rich in sugar.   Not not so much as nitrogen, they're rich in sugars,   which is also a component   that ruminants are looking for. They're not just looking for pure protein. That's why you don't feed ruminants just pure alfalfa, which is high in nitrogen.   You don't feed them just pure clover, which is high in nitrogen.  

They need a mix of carb carbohydrates   with which contain a lot of carbon   and nitrogen.   Without those two things you're not really getting good grades. Okay.   So this part of the support structure   these things put off it at maturity, these things put off hundreds   of pounds of pods.   And I can either give it to the cow directly and they'll just munch the pods, but they have hard seeds so maybe   maybe it goes through a grinder and we pellet we pelletize it and we use that as supplemental feed on the grays.   Okay. So now I've got I've got grazing   from grass,   forbs, and legumes in the grazing lanes.  

I've got a high nitrogen feed   that I can supplement that with, and now I've got a high carbohydrate   feed that I can further supplement the animals with. And, again,   since they are down every single tree lane, these trees are everywhere.   Fodder for the animals   is not only everywhere.   The trees they come from are serving multiple,   multiple   facets.   They defend the hedgerows against chemical attack.   They make great craft wood.   They fix nitrogen   or they fix well, they associate   they allow   the thornless honey locust allow associative   nitrogen fixation, which isn't a legume. It's not direct, but it does impact the amount   of fertility that goes into the soil,   which then feeds the black walnut trees.  

This is all designed to work in concert.   It's all designed to work together.   But there's more functionality   in the perimeter   and the tree lanes.   Your a black locust tree   and a black walnut tree and,   thornless honey locust trees can get really tall.   Now the thornless,   honey locust is gonna be you know, if you just allow these things to go to maturity, which in some cases we do, in some cases we don't, again, a management issue that's for later.   Black walnuts and thornless honey locusts are gonna grow way taller than a black locust tree, but we're not gonna worry about that right now.   Just think of the black walnut tree.  

70 feet high,   80 feet high.   That that's a tall tree.   I've got a lane of them. I've got 23   lanes of these trees   inside the perimeter,   which is also black locust and support trees.   What what does that do?   Wind break.   It protects the animals that are grazing   inside the system.   Winter,   fall, summer,   it it it it doesn't matter.   There the amount of treeage,   if that's an actual word, I don't think it is, but the amount of treeage present   and the way that the lanes are built going north to south and having a complete perimeter around the entire thing is a gigantic   windbreak.  

And one of the things that kills animals, especially in winter,   it's not the cold.   It's the wind   along with the cold. But   in the summer, especially in places like Texas where it gets super freaking hot,   that wind can just   it can just really, really hurt animals.   And those are the two those are the two extremes.   Spring and fall,   not not really not so worried, you know, worried as much about that.   But winter, especially,   will rob an animal of its body heat faster than anything.   But if you've got cows that are completely protected from wind from almost all directions that you can think of except for maybe a downblast,   then these animals will winter a bit better,   burn less calories, at least in theory, because they're not   burning calories because all the wind just keeps robbing their body heat from them. Right? That's that's   that's convection.  

It just robs   heat. But if if there's no wind and the air is still,   it's it can be insulatory, and we don't want wind inside the system. So that's one of the reasons you've got a complete surround   of perimeter trees.   But then   this is one of one of the things that I really like about the system, snow capture   to recharge water in spring.   How does that work? Okay. Middle of winter. It's not it's not there. I mean, even in in a in a blinding snowstorm where it's snowing sideways and all that kind of stuff, it's not doing that inside the system.   The snow that falls into the system is not going to get blown away. It'll just   accumulate and accumulate and accumulate. And, of course, this is in regions where snow actually does fall in some appreciable amount. Like, you're you're   not gonna get snow if you put one of these systems down in, I don't know, somewhere around Big Bend, Texas. It's just not gonna happen. But in Lubbock,   certainly in Amarillo,   in in the the high in the high plains of West Texas   and Eastern New Mexico, oh, shit. Yeah. You're gonna get snow.  

I mean, in some cases, you're gonna get a lot of snow, and none of that snow, once it enters the system, it can't get blown out.   So it just stays there   until it melts, which means that the water that you've been able to trap over the winter   stays where it's put. So that's going to help kick start the whole   system   every spring. Everything's gonna get watered   because you're gonna be able to capture the snow and keep it on-site.   So that's sort of the way that that I'm looking at the tree lanes   and the,   yeah, the perimeter trees.   But   let's focus in on the black walnut tree. This is this is the core of this system. It doesn't have to be a black walnut tree.  

It could be an English walnut tree. It could be pecans   of   any like, there's Indian pecans.   There's, like, I don't know, something probably there's something called a Bradford pecan. Who knows? There's maybe a Brazos pecan. There's hundreds of different kinds of pecans. Just pick one. It doesn't matter. You could do this with probably chestnut trees.   Right? Yeah. Chestnut trees don't throw off the juglone like pecan and walnut trees, but I would still have the black locust and the thornless,   honey locust there for all the rest of the things that it does. But let's just let's   narrow   in on black walnut.  

So I've already said   that it has a massive amount of juglone production and and   that impacts ecosystems   because it tries to kill everything it touches.   But   we've got that buffered out. So let's move to the next why black walnut.   Black walnuts are disease resistant,   and within a limit, they're fairly drought tolerant. I want that, especially in something like a blown out hay field or an overproduced   cotton field somewhere in the High Plains of West Texas.   Again, it doesn't have to be there. It's just this is where I envision   starting it out.  

But the nut crop.   Oh, the nut crop.   Walnuts are pretty tasty.   Have you ever tasted a black walnut?   It's a richer flavor.   It's it's meat has a market demand.   You know, is yeah. I get like, sure. You can say, well, yeah. Well, walnut prices are depressed right now. Yeah. That's true.   But nobody really sells sacks of black walnut meat.   Right? So there's there's the issue of trying to give the market something different, something you can upsell, something that that sounds fancy. Right?   But black walnut meat, I think, is superior   to English walnut meat. I'm I'm just saying, of course, that's just me. But I like its disease resistance.  

I like its drought tolerance.   So   we talked about craft lumber.   Now let's see here. How do I wanna I wanna approach this one kind of delicately because   this one kind of goes into the management issue. So I think I'm going to hold off on this next thing.   Yeah. Let let let's hold off on this   and just say that yours the the primary crop here   for at least the tree lanes is the nut production   of the black walnut tree or whatever it is tree that that you could, you you know, slip in there like pecan or possibly   American Chinese hybrid chestnut trees.  

Right? So   but   they do so much more for the system. It's not just the nut production.   Cathedral isn't isn't being a nut grove. It's about being a system   that part of it is a nut grove. The other part of it is grazing for animals.   There are other pieces and parts. But if we were to stay in the tree tree lane,   let's look at   the root architecture   in the soil structure   that's in the tree lanes.   What's going on here?   Deep,   deep,   deep   tap roots,   especially   especially   by black locust.   They tap pretty damn deep. It's it's I've I've tried to dig one out as I've tried to dig a small one out,   and it is amazing how deep those roots actually go.  

Then they've got a lot of lateral roots, but that's more   about the honey locust tree and the black walnut tree. So we've got a lot of carboniferous   mass in the soil.   While I'm not using   the trees the support trees for animal fodder, like, I'm not pollarding   at six to eight feet high the very tops of the black locust trees. While those leaves are connected to the tree, they are photosynthesizing.   So what what does that mean?   Well, that means that it's delivering a lot of sugars to all the soil critters   in the soil of the tree lanes.   Now let's let's kind of go   back to how you would kick start the system. You got to plant these trees.  

Somebody's gotta plant them. They're not you're not just gonna conjure them up out of the ground. Somebody   has gotta go out there and dig a hole and plant a sapling. And in this case, it's gonna be several thousand of at least three different kinds of trees. We'll get to some other ones, but for now, we're just focusing on these three kinds of trees.   If you were to   do something like, oh, I don't know,   inoculate the roots of the sapling   with   mycorrhizal fungi, specifically   arbuscular   mycorrhizae,   which is an endomycorrhizae,   and then some ectomycorrhizae.  

Because these these three trees, they're gonna want they're gonna want   thing they're gonna want fungi that coat their roots, but they're also gonna want fungi that go into their roots and penetrate cell walls   and set up shop. And we'll talk about that a little bit more here in a second. But   if I've got an like, a 1,700   foot tree or foot long tree lane,   and there's trees on the left side, trees in the center, and trees on the right side, and let's not forget the hedgerow roots, they're they're all gonna be connected. Alright?   If all of them   are connected   to mycorrhizae   in the soil,   then all of them are connected   as a chemical circuit   and   as a communications   circuit.  

So let's say at the very end of one of these very long, almost mile and a half long   rows of trees,   maybe   maybe something tries to attack one of the black locust trees at the very very end, a insect or maybe some kind of walnut wood board that I don't know about. Right?   That tree is now physically under attack.   Most plants, including trees and bushes and shrubs, will put off chemical signals that they are being attacked.   It's like if you it just it just happens. They exude out through their roots. So   in some cases, there's there's evidence that some of that chemistry gets into the air.   And   if   another tree of the same species   or a re maybe even a related species picks up on that signal but is not yet under attack,   then it can start   forming its defenses   against that attack.  

Now let's go back to the circuitry under the soil.   All these trees are connected.   Three different species,   black walnut,   black locust, and thornless honeylocust.   Right? So   that's honestly   a pretty good that's a pretty good attack vector insofar as surface area is concerned. There's a lot of trees. There's three different kinds. They're all kinda clumped together.   You never know, man.   But all these trees are going to be connected through the or ecto and endomycorrhizal   fungal network that's in the soil.   The tree at the very end   is going to be connected to the next tree   by this particular   fungus.  

That tree is gonna be connected to its neighbor through that same fungus.   The support trees, they will also be picking up the chemical signals of any attack or disease or   whatever.   And all of them are going to be if   they pick up on the signal and can interpret that chemical signal and say, oh, we should probably   gird ourselves for attack,   then they will be able to do that. They will be knowledgeable about what's going on in the ecosystem.   This continues all the way down to the lane   at the very   opposite end where it connect where it connects with the perimeter trees.   Those trees are also likewise connected   because everywhere we planted a tree, we made sure that we were inoculating with mycorrhizal   fungi.  

There's a lot more that goes into this when when you're when we're prepping, but that that's for a later episode. But for right now, just remember   that when you see a row of trees in a forest,   you may not be thinking about what's going on underneath the soil. What's going on   underneath the soil is a gigantic computer circuit   and it is processing   information inputs   like disease,   rain,   temperature.   And I guarantee you that it is formulating   in a very different way than our normal computers would do   calculations   on what to do next.  

Like, for instance, drought hits on   like, it doesn't rain for whatever reason and and this happens.   It doesn't rain for all year long on one side of this mile and a half wide system.   Happens.   I mean, there's farmers that that that, you know, they they look at their neighbors just across the road and their neighbors continuously get rain. But just on the opposite side of the road where they are, no rain for all year happens.   So one side of the system is dry.   Hell, it's not just chemical signals that are transmitted   through the mycorrhizal fungi.  

Nutrients are transmitted.   Water   is transferred,   not transmitted. Transmitted is a bad word. Transferred.   Physically transferred.   Nitrogen   goes from trees that have more nitrogen   than they know what to do with to trees that are nitrogen poor. Same for phosphorus, same for potassium, same for any of the micronutrients   that you might find. But also   water molecules   travel   through the mycorrhizal fungi   from trees that have enough water to trees that don't have enough water.   Now go back and think about this from above. There's a complete row   of there's a complete border of perimeter trees that form a box.  

Half of the interior tree lanes connect to the south side of the box, and the other half   of the tree lanes connect to the north side of the box.   All of the tree lanes are connected to all of the perimeter trees.   Every tree   has an information   and transfer or rather a shipping lane open to them from the extreme northeast   corner of the system all the way to the Southwest corner of the system. Water can freely flow.   Nitrogen, potassium,   phosphorus,   calcium,   any of the micronutrients   can freely   flow   throughout the entirety of the system. So things that are   rich in water or nutrients or what have you are able to   shuttle that physically   to where they are poor and the whole system   equals out.  

As long as you don't do something stupid like use   pesticides or herbicides   or, God forbid, fungicides. As long as you have   healthy soil,   then all these trees   should have a communications   and shipping lane network   that rivals Walmart.   That's another reason the system is designed the way it is.   Now,   why the hedgerows?   Why?   Why? Why? Why the hedgerows?   Why are they animal or why are they hog tight?   Two reasons.   One,   I don't want the cows getting into the tree lanes.   I   I I don't. I really don't want the cows in there. They'll loaf in there. They'll sit under the shade. They won't graze. They'll be lazy. You'll get loafers.   No rancher wants a loafing cow. They want them out in the pasture eating. Right? So that's one thing. It's containment for the grazing animals.  

Because it's not just cows that are gonna be in in the grays. There's there's chickens that come after. But, again, that's we'll talk about that on another episode when we just talk specifically about grazing lanes. This is about the tree lanes.   But maybe I wanna keep some animals in.   There's there's an animal that I'm thinking of in my mind that is a forest creature,   and it's   tasty.   But it's   a forest creature. It's not a pasture creature. It's it was never really built to be out in the sun all day long. It wasn't really built to to eat grass   all day long.  

So what animal might I be thinking of?   A hog. That's right. Pigs. Pigs and hogs. They're forest animals.   They're not pasture animals. Yes. You can pasture pork.   Yes. You can do I mean, yes. I could I could feed cows   in in the tree lanes, keep them shaded and just truck in hay, but, that's not very efficient. It's very expensive.   So that, you know, grazing animals should be grazing.   Forest animals should be in the forest.   I've got 23   forests plus a perimeter forest.   So if I've got really tight, animal tight hedgerows   all around all the perimeters,   then I can now start treating the interior   of the tree lanes   to raise hogs and pork.  

Right?   So how would I do that? I might rotationally   graze   the pigs. Well, you really wouldn't be grazing them because there's probably not a lot of grass underneath that canopy.   So we would actually be having to truck in feed or or   or   let them eat black walnut.   Maybe I'm just finishing the the hogs in the tree lanes. Maybe I just pick one tree lane   that is not going to be harvested for its black walnut. We just shake the black walnut tree. We let the black walnuts fall to the ground.   Hogs will eat them, especially if you if you do it if you do them right, maybe   dehusk   the walnuts.  

But there's I'm thinking of Portugal   and parts of Spain   where they raise hogs   in a silvopasture   that is predominantly   cork oak tree   and grass. That's that's definition of silvopasture. You got trees and pasture,   but they finish the hogs. They let the hogs graze and then when the acorns come in   on the cork oak,   then they just let they just basically shake the tree and let the the acorns fall to the ground and the hogs just go freaking nuts on acorns, which is,   you know, pretty high in tannins.   Not as high as, like, live oak, but still there's there's tannic acid and stuff that is there's a reason that humans don't really get into, like, making acorn flour because it's really hard to do. But hogs love it. They get their stomachs get along fine with it. There's nothing you gotta worry about with these hogs.   These   hogs make some of the most sought after   hams   and prosciutto's   and, you know, cured meats of evil.  

It's   they're really famous.   Really famous pork fetches a really high quality price at, you know, the supermarket if you if you can find it because there's I mean, this is this is imported.   You gotta go to it. You gotta go to a high end   grocery store in The United States to find this stuff. Right?   But let's go back to black walnut or pecan or chestnut.   What would it be worth to be able to tell your customers that you have   chestnut finished pork?   My pork is finished on black walnut.   My my pork is finished off on pecans.   So you get them you get them to a good weight, then you get into the fall, you've got your your nut drop, you've sacrificed   one one full   mile and a half long lane or maybe not even that. Depends on how many hogs do you want to finish in one of these lanes.  

Alright.   Half of it? Use some electro netting or, well, electro fencing. And, yes, you'll want, like, a double layer of that stuff because hogs well,   hogs are hogs. I won't get into it, but they're they're they're pretty ornery animals. Anyway,   how many hogs do you wanna finish? And you've only got, like, you've only you've only have to string   a fence, an electric an electric fence,   a 100, maybe, you know, a 130 feet long   because everything else is contained by the hedgerows.   Hogs can't get out. Besides, if they're eating a bunch of walnuts that they wanna wanna eat, they don't wanna get out. They wanna eat and they're gonna poop. They're gonna poop right there, which is one of the reasons you kinda don't wanna do this   in all of your lanes   because the USDA has got regulations as to animal manure   on the ground if you're harvesting a nut crop   off of the ground, which like pecans. You shake the tree, the nuts fall to the ground, you get a sweeper, you sweep up the pecans, and that's how you do it. But the USDA   and health agencies really don't like the thought of, you know, these pecans or or walnuts being on the ground and landing in pig manure and then being sold to the public. See how that works? And it's probably not a bad idea anyway,   either event.  

That's why you would maybe just do   half a lane, a quarter of a lane, one full, you know, lane, and then all the nuts in there basically go to finish the hogs.   What if I wanted to use   the forest canopy of the tree lanes to raise hogs year round?   Well,   you're gonna need to feed them something, so you're gonna be trucking in food. They're gonna be pooping all over the place and urinating, which is going to add   manure   and urine or high nitrogen   to the soil, so you're getting a hell of a lot of fertilizer.   You're also getting a hell of a lot of gut bacteria that is gonna replenish the bacteria in the soil.   And honestly,   it's a it's not a terrible way to go.  

Do you wanna do it for all 23 lanes? Well, no. You're I mean, you'd have to pull the hogs off like oh, what is it? Like, I think it's ninety days.   You can't have you can't have manure on the ground,   like, something like for thirty days   before you do a nut harvest. It's something like that. There's there's an amount of days. And that gives if you take them off three months before you harvest, that gives you two months for the manure to break down and wash into the soil, get, you know, get the ground cleaned up, and then your nuts can drop, and you'll you'll be fine.   But if you were that's why you don't do all you know, you wouldn't do every single lane on this. Right? That's I mean, honestly, it's the management on that alone is just kind of scary.  

But sacrificing one lane for hogs   and be able to say, hey.   Black walnut finished ham.   Black walnut finished bacon. You're you're gonna be able to set a premium price   for your hog products. So the animal can be in the tree lane   and the animals can be outside the tree lane and neither the tween shall meet because you've got a big thick, and I'm talking five foot thick   to 10 foot thick hedgerow. What else can you do with the hedgerow?   Berries,   like   raspberries.   That's part if you've ever tried to, you know,   handle   a raspberry bush, you know that they're kind of thorny.  

You got a bunch of them in a hedgerow along with some maybe some other things that might be thorny,   well, you got yourself a you picket   situation   that you can get your clients can come to the farm and you give them a basket and say, it's $10 a pound for raspberries and you pick all you want. That way, you don't have to shell out the labor of of picking them. And then when the raspberries go away, whatever.   It it doesn't matter. But the the   the hedgerows are also there   for critters, for birds to nest in.   That's and that ends up being part of of something else that I wanna get into later when we get into integrated pest management.  

But let me just say it this way.   Birds, especially certain kinds, really like to eat flies.   And what what what is a problem with cows?   You get fly strike.   You get fly strike and it's not good. It's not fucking not pretty, man. Especially if they get really hardcore hit by a bunch of flies.   You know why they get hit by flies?   Because in 1973,   mister Butts, the secretary of agriculture at the time, told everybody to rip out everything. When he said plant   fence row to fence row,   what he was actually telling people to do is that   those trees that buffer your land, you need to get rid of them so you can have extra acres.  

That's what he meant by fence row to fence row. And that's why when you drive through Iowa, you don't see trees. And guess what happens without trees?   Well, you don't get birds. That's what happens. And what do birds eat? Insects.   They like insects.   Some birds really like flies.   And they would eat the flies off the back of a cow if they had a place to raise their babies,   which in the middle of corn country, like Iowa   or the Panhandle Of West Texas, which is cotton country,   there there's not a lot of trees, not not out not out in the fields.   So that's why there's no birds.  

And that's why you get massive fly pressure   on grazing animals.   Let's reverse that.   Let's give them a place to live.   Let's encourage the birds. Let's encourage the little, I don't know, little hedgehogs and and other critters. Let's do that   by giving them this massive hedgerow that acts as protection,   nesting places, food sources.   And at the same time, we'll have that hedgerow keep the cows where the cows need to be and the hogs where the hogs need to be. Keep the chickens where the chickens need to be and the llamas where the llamas need to be. It depends on what kind of livestock we're talking about. Right? But it is a fence.   It is a home.  

It is an attractant to the things that will help you   manage   insect   pests   on this particular system.   So   let's I I do wanna talk about biochar   as a core element here for a couple of seconds.   This is nonnegotiable.   Biochar   has to be involved in this system, not only in the tree lanes, but everywhere,   except the perimeter roads. I'm not gonna waste I'm not gonna waste my time putting biochar on a road. That's not what it's for. But in the grazing lanes   and in the tree lanes,   biochar   has to happen.   Why?   Water retention during the dry months.   If if I've got biochar, which is simply just think of it as charcoal,   the kind of charcoal you don't want to use on your grill, but it's got a lot of surface area. If you look at it under a microscope or like a scanning electron microscope,   it's   nothing but a bunch of holes   it just it's just filled with air   that's why it's so light right so   what fills those holes water gets in there and adheres to the to all the surface area. In fact, if you get a gram   of biochar and you were to smash it all out to where it was nothing but a two dimensional surface,   it would be as large as an NBA   official sized basketball   court. That's a lot of surface area.  

And at a molecular level,   water   basically glues itself   to that surface.   And the only way that it's coming off is not through evaporation.   A tree or a plant or some living   thing has to chemically   strip it off.   And that means that the water retention of biochar is absolutely critical   in the soil during dry months so that it remains   as a reservoir of underground water sources for all of the trees and all of the hedgerows and all of the grasses and everything.   But it also stores nutrients.   Nutrients are also   chemically glued to the surface of biochar.   So it acts as a   it acts as a battery,   another reservoir   for nutrients.  

So it completely buffers water. It completely buffers nutrition,   and it also provides a massive home for fungus, which is   we've already talked about how critical that is.   And the fact that, like, if a fungus filament,   you know, like a yeah. Fungus filament attaches   to a bunch of biochar that has water molecularly stored on it, and the other end of that is connected to trees that need water, guess what's going to happen?   That that mycorrhiza is going to be able to displace that water molecule,   throw a proton on there to, you know, to make sure it's okay because you need like you can't just strip something off without putting something back on. So it will throw a proton on there, and then it will take that water molecule and it will give it to the tree in exchange for what? Sugar.   For sugar.  

I I love everything about this system.   Then then   the carbon storage   aspect of this   will speak to the   more hysterical   parts of the climate change crowd. Now I don't I don't want to pick on them. I don't. Not right now because they have this idea of having   a situation where if I can prove that I stored a ton of carbon into the ground, they will give me a $100.   I'm talking about storing millions of tons of carbon in the system   to the point that I will not stop putting carbon in the form of charcoal into this soil for all the cool shit that it does,   which I would do anyway,   by the way,   until it hits to somewhere between 3540%   carbon.  

If I were to take it to a soil soil, you know, analysis lab and say, how much carbon is in the soil? When they say 35%,   that's when I start considering   not putting any more carbon in the soil.   And by that time, that system is completely drought tolerant to the point   that it may actually survive   two full seasons without any rain whatsoever   as long as all of the biochar   that comp or all of the carbon that comprises 35%   of the soil to a depth of, like, let's say, I don't know, I wanna go deep, 24,   36 inches,   maybe four feet,   maybe five. It depends on how far down I can get it. I want   I want I would want 10 feet of 35%   to 45 or to 40% carbon   every square inch of the soil   because of the amount of nutrients it can hold and buffer, the amount of water it can hold and buffer.  

And if I do that, the amount of raw tons of carbon that we're talking about,   if you're if you want to start adding up the numbers, that's gonna be another episode. But we're talking millions of dollars,   like, millions of dollars on, you know, two, three years, maybe 250,000   a year as extra income   just for putting something in your soil that's going to do nothing but help your production later.   That's how we think about cathedral.   That's the way that I want to think about cathedral.   It's a carbon   landfill.   I would literally actually put that on a brochure   if I wanted to sell this particular deal to somebody who is a climate hystericist.  

I got a I got an idea for a carbon landfill, and here's how it's gonna work. I don't even need to tell them about   harvesting nuts and feeding hogs and doing grazing. I don't need to tell them any all I need to tell them is how much carbon, physical carbon, I'm going to sequester in the soil for a thousand years or more. Most   more more likely about ten to twenty thousand years, that carbon is never leaving that soil.   I can get all the carbon. I can sell all the carbon credits I want.   I'm not leaving that money on the table   just because   it's bullshit.  

I I I wholeheartedly   believe   that the climate change hystericists   are doing nothing but damage.   But if they're gonna pay me to put raw carbon into the ground   and I know what that carbon can do for soil, yes, I'm going to do it. And I'm going to take their money all the way to the bank, and I'm going to skip there while I'm smiling   and laughing   because I just don't care anymore. I would put that carbon in the soil   anyway.   So it's an ongoing   integration,   periodic additions of carbon   over decades,   decades and decades and decades.   Just   let's let's get off there because I I can go on and on and on about carbon.  

So   we've talked about livestock and wildlife in the tree lane systems. We've talked about hedgerows as living fences with a few hidden jobs.   We've talked about fungal sir, circuitry.   Let's talk a little bit about long term succession   and revenue stability.   So   what are we getting out of the tree lanes? Let's not talk about grazing.   Let's not talk about, you know, get harvesting meat.   Let's not talk about   anything other than what's going on inside the tree lanes.   We have planned   harvest cycles   for craft lumber. That's number one. Right? So that that's one of the other products that we can get. And I've touched on that,   but let me kind of fill that in for you.  

There's a couple of different ways to imagine cathedral.   One is at the end of its life, which is I think would be ten thousand years. I don't even I don't I don't even think you'd actually have to kill it. I think you'd have to be hit by a meteor.   It'd be so productive. Why would you want to tear everything out and build a mall on it? Right?   Okay. So   ten thousand years in the future, we don't need to worry about.   But   there's two other ways to think of it.   One, when you're looking at the blown out hayfield that's got nothing on it, how do you start? Oh, shit. That's   that's several other podcast episodes. Well, I'm not even gonna touch that.  

But one of the other ways to think about it is everything worked. Everything's fine. Yes. I know. We live in the real world. Everything's not gonna be fine, but we gotta start somewhere.   So let's talk about   cathedral at 75   years old, and every tree is mature   and at maximum height,   what should I do? Do I keep it the same?   Nope.   Because   eventually,   all of those all of those black walnut trees or pecan trees, whatever nut bearing tree, they're going to decline   in productivity   of their nut harvest.   Why keep them?   Cut them down.  

That's what we're gonna do. We're going to   deforest   everything. We're going to kill all the trees. All these trees that that I've spent so much time telling you about how much how cool they are and how much I love them. I'm going to kill them.   Not not all of them not all well actually all of them   but not all at once and that's the key.   So how does this work?   The way this works is I envision   Cathedral's nut production,   just the nut production,   at only ever achieving   92 to 95%   of its potential.   How how does that work? Because we're gonna be cutting down some trees.   So let's say   I've got 1,700   linear feet   of black walnut trees.  

I've got 23 lanes.   How many trees do I cut down   that   cause me to reach   ninety five   ninety yeah. Let's say 95%   production. I've got to take 5% of my trees away. And I'll start like like, let's say, we'll start at the the furthest western   lane lane of trees, the interior lanes. Start at the furthest west one and start at the very, very   end, you know, where it's almost touching the other side, but there's that that place where the cows can move from one pasture lane to the other pasture lane, so it kind of terminates right there. We'll cut   those enough of those trees down to where the entire system is only producing 95%   of its potential nut drop.  

Oh, okay. So we've cut those trees down. Yay. We've we've we've cut them down.   What do why? Well,   the wood.   Craft lumber.   Hell, even I mean, even if I just sell   just not vertically integrated at all. I don't have my own wood mill, let's say. I don't have any other way to treat that wood other than to hire somebody   who wants the wood because they know it's precious. They know they're gonna make a shit ton of money on it, and they pay me a shit ton of money to take that tree away. Maybe they'll even cut it down and do it in a way that that doesn't damage the system.   Right?  

So they paid me a lot of money. In fact, I might be able to get paid   about $200,000   for the amount of trees that I'm thinking of cutting it down.   Well,   you gotta replace those trees.   So what do you do? Again, this goes into the management system, but and we'll I'll talk about that in another episode,   but I do I don't wanna leave you hanging off the cliff. I've got a bunch of   I've got a bunch of stumps   in that tree lane, and I have no nut production.   I want I'm gonna want nut production. So there's a couple of things that I do.   I make sure that I treat the tree the black walnut tree stumps   with   something like drilling holes into them   and packing those holes full of, like, oyster mushroom spawn or something that's going to degrade that wood,   that entire stump over time   all the way down back to soil and possibly possibly   give me a mushroom yield that I would be able to sell in the farmer's market, which is also part of the system. We won't get to it right now.  

I've gotta replace those trees.   So just so happens   that part of the cathedral system includes its very own greenhouse   because you're constantly going to be growing saplings because you need to constantly be replacing trees that you cut down   so that you can harvest it for wood and sell it and   rejuvenate   on a continual   basis   your nut production with new trees.   So you plant those trees   in between   the stumps of the black walnut trees that you just cut down.   You did not cut down and hopefully did not damage, but even if you did, you could always replant the honey locust and black walnut trees that will now serve to shade   the baby tree.  

They'll the the canopy will start growing in, and dappled shade is part of what   honey locust and black locust provide.   It's not full shade. It's partial shade.   And black walnuts do not like being in full sun. Oh my god. We've just got yet one more function   for the black walnut tree or for the black yeah. Black locust and the honey locust trees   acting as support trees.   Nitrogen fixation,   you know,   animal fodder,   craft lumber   helps with the windbreak and now it's going to shade our brand new baby trees   that we just inoculated with yet more fungus   put into the ground in between   the stumps where   the other trees were.  

And those will take, like, anywhere between four and seven years to come into nut production.   And even   then even then, they will not be at full nut production.   Right? So   now we start having to ask ourselves the question, how many trees do we cut down to maintain between 9295%   nut production   when   we have to wait   four to seven years   for any nut production on new trees?   And then,   what percentage   of the new nut tree   is nut production compared to when it's going to be   mature?   It's going to be different. There's gonna be more limbs when it's older. Right? There's gonna be more   flower buds. There's gonna be more places for walnuts to form on a mature tree than a young tree. So now we start getting we start having to look   at   the future as a fluid thing.  

Like, what what will it produce this year? What will it produce next year? What will it produce next year? When will it start getting   to   a mature   status   of harvest   in tonnage or   or or bushels of nuts? Right.   That's at that point, we have to sit down and do some real math   because the very next year, I'm cutting down more trees   in that same tree lane.   And then I'm gonna do the same thing. I'm gonna treat those stumps with something like oyster mushrooms to break it down. I'm going to plant new black walnuts in between the stumps.   And the canopy of the nurse trees are going to cover it, and there's going to shade it and going to provide it nitrogen and do all the fun things that we've already talked about. And then   I'm gonna do it the next year, and I'm gonna make $200,000   more if if depending on what would cost at that time or what I can sell it for, and walnut always fetches a pretty good price. And then I'm gonna do it again, And then I'm gonna do it again. And then I'm gonna do it again. And here's where the scale of management   starts to creep in to how this system actually works because it's not designed to be static. This is a dynamic system. It moves through time like it is itself a time machine, and you have to start thinking,   how do we time this?  

And the same is true for pollarding the black locust to pick where are the cows, what's what season is it, how much nitrogen is in the leaves. This   ends up being a theme   all the way through cathedral.   That's why I call it a clock.   Cathedral is more than a church that you go pray in. It's more than a legacy for not only your family, but for multiple families.   It's it's it's way more than that.   If you look at if you look at it from above,   by where the trees are being felled and the new trees, how tall are they, how how old are they,   you you start getting a sense that the entire system is a gigantic   century   clock.  

By the end of a hundred years, you should have killed or cut down every single tree and replaced   it. Replaced it every hundred years. So you would be able to walk through cathedral   and know   what's what year it is without looking at a calendar, without having to remember it in your head.   But by where the cows are, you could tell what day of the month it is.   Clearly, by where the sun is in the sky and the color of leaves and all that kind of stuff, You know what season you're in. But, really, you'd be able to tell you were it was June 2 rather than June 1. So not only is it a clock, cathedral is also a calendar,   if it's managed right.  

But now flip it upside down.   Let's look at it from underneath. It's a giant computer circuit.   Every tree is connected to every other tree.   Every grass plant is connected to every other grass plant. All the grass plants are also all connected to the trees through the circuitry of mycorrhizal fungi.   1,000   acres   completely interconnected   by every species   on cathedral.   Every tree, every bush, every grass, every legume, every forbe.   It's all connected together.   It's a gigantic   processing unit. And what does it process?   Ecosystem data.  

Temperature,   time of year,   moisture,   nutrients.   What does it do with that information?   Logistics.   It moves water to where it needs to be moved to.   It moves nutrients where they need to be moved to.   It's a communications   network   that allows   things that are being attacked by either disease or insects   to relay that message to everything else in the system, which it will, because we know it happens.   We have evidence.   Not only a little bit of scientific evidence,   a lot of scientific evidence that that is exactly what's happening. It's going to take   chemicals produced by trees under attack or grasses under attack or forbs under attack by insect or disease,   it's going to shuttle that chemistry that says I'm being attacked   to all the rest of the plants on the this in the system. And each one of those plants that can identify that particular molecule as, oh, shit. My cousin's under attack. I better start producing   this other kind of chemistry so that the grasshopper that's eating him won't eat me.  

And that grass that transmitted that emergency message may not directly be attached to the cousin.   Maybe it bounced the message went through one of the black walnut trees and then bounced off a thornless honey locust and then bounced back to a forb in the grays. And then in the same grazing lane, right next door to it is the same kind of grass plant that says, I know that molecule. That is not a good molecule.   I better start girding my loins. The entire system is a clock, a calendar, and a computer.   This is the way that I think about cathedral.  

So   those that that sort of recapping   to, you know, what what's happening today. I do   want to go ahead and end here because we are at seventy three minutes in, and there's no re I've I've   I'm nowhere close   to exhausting how this system works.   Nowhere close.   Right? So don't worry. This is not the last time we're gonna be talking about cathedral.   I do want to remind everybody   that my Comfrey owner's manual has now dropped. It is at bitcoinshow.com.   That's bitcoinshow.com.   Let me actually just pull it up. I wanna make sure that it's gonna be in the, it's gonna be in the, show notes. I guarantee it. And hold on here. Let's see. I need to go to the confre owners manual.   So it will be   bitcoin and show.com forward slash the confre owners manual is here. That that's about as good as I could do it. Just search, you know, Bitcoin and there's a little search function. Just type in confre's owner confre owners manual and you'll get to the page. You gotta sign up. All I want is your email. You have a selection of either the free tier or paid tier.  

It'd be nice if you did the paid tier and support what it is that I'm doing here, but you'll be able to get the conferee owner's manual if you do the free tier. That's okay. It will require your email. Alright? So, yes, I'm doing it. I'm doing the thing where I where you give me your email.   I get it. For all of you that really don't like that, I understand. And I'm not gonna berate you for it. I get it.   But this is the situation we live in. Right? You know? I I want people to have this free owner's manual because it tells you what to do with comfrey. It tells you where to go get your comfrey. It tells you the little bit of the history behind comfrey. It tells you how to make liquid fertilizer out of comfrey. It tells you what other   wonderful things it does.  

And comfrey   is going to play a huge part   inside Cathedral.   I haven't even gotten there yet. I haven't I haven't gotten there yet. We've talked about biochar for a long time and and charcoal in the ground and what it can do.   I haven't even talked about the system that produces it and what its inputs are and all of that is part of Cathedral.   I call it the carbon group, but it's all part of Cathedral.   So   I just wanna leave with you understanding, go to bitcoinandshow.com.   That's bitcoinandshow.com.   Sign up. Get the ComFree owner's manual for free and learn about ComFree because it's probably gonna be a major section   of one of the cathedral episodes that is coming up.  

And when that time does come up, I will see you on the other side.   This has been Bitcoin and and I'm your host David Bennett. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and hope to see you again real soon. Have a great day.