24 September 2025
BotC21: Most Events Aren’t Planned: The Anatomy of Phish’s ‘21 Show’ - S1E21
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Intro: Buried Alive - Phish 11/22/94 Columbia, MO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyheX9gJQLY
Outro: September - Earth, Wind & Fire https://open.spotify.com/track/2grjqo0Frpf2okIBiifQKs
Other Mentions:
Fundamentals' "Phish and Bitcoin" Essay https://fundamentals.ghost.io/phish-and-bitcoin-a-continuum-of-genius-network-effects-and-unintentional-foreshadowing/
Most Shows Spell Something https://liveforlivemusic.com/features/phish-dicks-spell/
In this emergency episode, we unpack Phish’s instantly legendary “21 Show” at Hampton—the tour closer that wove the number 21 through nearly every musical and meta choice. From the 21-song setlist and precisely timed 21-minute segments (Mike’s Groove, What’s Going Through Your Mind, and Sense and Subtle Sounds) to first-set winks like First Tube > Twenty Years Later, 2001, Most Events Aren’t Planned, and encore symmetry clocking 21 minutes—this night was deliberate signal, not coincidence. We connect the numerology and cultural resonance to long-running Phish lore (Gamehendge, Golgi, ACDC Bag’s “Mr. Palmer,” sharing in the groove) and to wider cultural currents, including a rising season in Bitcoin culture, unified consciousness, and the idea of artists as vessels channeling something bigger. We also touch on the Hampton parking lot incident contextually, then return to the band’s reply-in-art: closing with Earth, Wind & Fire’s “September” on 9/21—the perfect exhale to a meticulously crafted rite at the Mothership. Resources referenced or related: Golgi apparatus essay (Phish x Bitcoin), prior discussions on Rock Paper Bitcoin and High Hash Rate, numerology threads from the community, and background on Phish era markers (1.0–4.0).
In this emergency episode, we unpack Phish’s instantly legendary “21 Show” at Hampton Coliseum and the uncanny web of 21s woven throughout the night—from 21 total songs and multiple 21-minute jams to setlist choices, numerology, and the encore’s miner tip of the cap. We connect these breadcrumbs to broader cultural currents in Bitcoin, including Rod Palmer’s viral monologue, themes of sharing, unified consciousness, and why Phish so often acts as a vessel for signals they may not consciously intend. Along the way, we revisit key tracks (AC/DC Bag, Golgi Apparatus, Mike’s Groove, What’s Going Through Your Mind, Sense and Subtle Sounds, Ghost, Chalk Dust Torture, Harry Hood), the preshow/exit music Easter egg of Earth, Wind & Fire’s “September,” and the Hampton context—including the shakedown incident and how the band historically “responds” with art.
If you’ve ever wondered how Phish and Bitcoin keep intersecting in symbolism and timing, this tour closer at “the Mothership” is the latest—and perhaps clearest—signal. We make the case for why 21 matters, why it landed on 9/21, and why sometimes “most events aren’t planned”… until they are.
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Unknown:
And we're back on the chain. Back on the chain. How does it feel to be back on the chain so soon?
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Yeah. It didn't take us that long to get back on this train. This is, we are in the,
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this is emergency podcast week for, for me. I just I put one out. Is it was it I don't know if you know if it was yesterday or the day before, but, did our normal rock paper Bitcoin on Saturday and then had to do an emergency podcast on Saturday. Put that one out. Yep. We released the epi the rock paper Bitcoin episode today. And now we had to do an emergency fish podcast episode.
[00:03:00] Unknown:
Yeah. And and before we get into that, tying into what you just said, I woke up today, and I listened to rock paper bitcoin, which was, by the way, likely will go down at least as the best episode you guys have done. Dude, I appreciate that. And I before I
[00:03:19] Unknown:
Just let me just cut you off because that's, like, what I do. But just let me just interject one thing. Yeah. That's what you did. It is the favorite episode I think I've ever done, and I knew how like, it felt like the best episode, like, in the middle of it, and I feel like I said it in the middle of it. I loved it, and it I think it opened my aperture up for whatever made me do the emergency solo rip that day too. I just had it. I I loved it. So I'm sorry to interrupt. Thank you for saying that. I appreciate it. No. No. I appreciate you recognizing.
[00:03:49] Unknown:
Absolutely. No. It's so obvious, and you already see it in the boost. So it's not just me. I guess I want to look at the boost. I don't know. Something's happened. Something's there's a a tipping point has happened in the Bitcoin's space. Because after I listened to rock the excellent rock paper Bitcoin episode, I went right into
[00:04:09] Unknown:
The bugle? Okay. Yeah. The bugle. So there there was a tip. Yes.
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And and that because Rod's monologue believable.
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Rod's monologue was like, imagine like a you know how a lot buried alive is like the song usually that, like, signifies, like, dude, we're we are about to we're about to blast off for fucking you know? Your spaceship is about to blast off. Right? Broad's monologue felt like Yeah. Buried alive. I might have to open the show. We might have to open this show with buried alive. Even though it's not part of the emergency room, I think that's, like, to represent Rod's monologue part of the and how fucking fire that was. And I know which buried alive I wanna do, and I I know which one. Yeah. It's gonna be the five eight ninety three, Buried Alive, if we can find it. Okay.
[00:04:59] Unknown:
So before I was before I was born in Fitch, it was a a pretty amazing birth in Fitch. But Like, clear like, one of the first instances of Buried Alive just signifying
[00:05:11] Unknown:
Oh, and you know what? It's another tour closer, which the show we're talking about is a tour closer. Never miss a fucking tour closer.
[00:05:21] Unknown:
No. Never miss a Sunday show. Never miss a tour closer these days. So, at least in 2020.
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With so you got you felt a little tipped listening to Rod's monologue.
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Yeah. And, you know, I just feel like how do I put this? Because we touched on it at the end of our last rep, episode 20. And we'll get into the significance of, obviously, this being our episode 22. Who knew that it would be an emergency
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episode about the number 21?
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Who knew? What's so funny is I was actually having difficulty coming up with something worthy of being our twenty first episode, and it just fell into our laps. So it's the way the Lord is working. And that's kinda what I'm touching on is, things are coming to fruition in a certain sense. I feel like it's like a new season in Bitcoin as it relates to the culture, which we've we've touched on a little bit. I know you've touched on quite a bit on rock paper Bitcoin, which I assume most of our, dear audience is listening to this is well aware. But in in in the case that there's a few of you that aren't, you should be listening to that podcast as well. But, I gotta give a little bit of credit to, you know, to Greaser too because he immediately, while Rod was giving his five minute monologue, I was like, this sounds a lot like like an Avi sermon from, type chain radio.
And Rod was just one, and and Dick Dick went right into it and pointed that out. And I just thought that was so important. We kinda love Avi and What what I'm seeing QR and
[00:06:58] Unknown:
that group that that that crew. You know? Yep. I'm reading Avi's book too right now. It's pretty fucking awesome.
[00:07:06] Unknown:
It's called 24. His first book.
[00:07:09] Unknown:
I don't Right. Have I talked about it here at all, his book?
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I saw it on your I saw it on your Beautiful, like, purple matte cover book.
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Book is fire.
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And I unfortunately,
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my mind went to, like, the show 24, which is just Yeah. And you know what? It I'm not in the spoiler for anybody, but it's when you realize what 24 means, it's gonna, like, smack you in the face.
[00:07:35] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's good stuff. But, yeah, we touched on this at the end of our last trip, which was, you know, sharing ourselves, our true selves. Like, not just doing the Bitcoin bit or sing you know, saying the the memes, but actually revealing, like, who we are as people. And I feel like that that's just coming to the surface for some reason as a collective unconscious or unified consciousness, depending on which way you look at it. I like I I like unified consciousness because it's, it's affirmative, which we've touched on here. It's an affirmative, unity. But, just wanted to say that. And,
[00:08:14] Unknown:
yeah, let's continue down that down that path Okay. Together. I my only hope for this episode is that it's not it's not gonna be twenty one minutes long. Like, the Encore last night. Supposed to do a rip that short. So, the Encore so last night the Encore. Was, September 21. 09/2125, the day that will go down in infamy. From reasons people don't yet understand, but we just have a lot to talk about. So Fish played their tour closer at the Mecca. I call it The Mecca, Hampton. We've mentioned Hampton in the show before because that is, that is the the venue that they, started the three point o era. They started the Bitcoin era, the 3 Bitcoin era. They started, in Hampton.
Hampton, Virginia, Hampton Coliseum, legendary, iconic. How many times did the dead play there?
[00:09:29] Unknown:
Legend, 21 in total. And how many? I haven't very because I haven't verified that, but that was And what was, Fish's
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count at Hampton prior to last night's show?
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It was 21. 21. And
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Fish decided to do something. Fish does things. We talk we I even mentioned it last week. Well, no. No. It was it was a couple weeks ago when, maybe it was last week we talked about just being in Alabama and making a very subtle reference. They do things like that. Right. But then sometimes they do things sometimes they do things for thirteen nights that encapsulates a big idea. And sometimes they just do things on one night just to make you just to make sure you never stop paying attention.
[00:10:24] Unknown:
Very true. And by the way, I will point out this there was a little bit of a crossover between their twentieth performance at Hampton and their twenty first on the numerology side of things, which is even more fascinating. And I think I have some nuggets that you probably haven't haven't heard of yet. This is being called by Phish fans,
[00:10:46] Unknown:
the 21 show. So now you see why we decided we had to do a emergency podcast here. We have to address so that okay. So let me just rewind the tape for a second. Okay? You know, two to three years ago, I wrote an essay connecting Bitcoin and fish. Okay? And maybe a year ago, I wrote a second essay. And it's it insisted that fish and Bitcoin are connected in some way, and it's probably likely that the band doesn't even know. They're blissfully unaware that the spirits are working through them. And, they've said on numerous occasions that that's the case with music with them, that they're just a vessel. They're just the vessel for by which they're like the Bitcoin miner, you know, that that connects the metaphysical with the physical world.
Okay. Right? And that's all they are. That's all they are. All they are is the only entity on Earth that does this, really, the way they do it. And, you know, you may not like the music. This is Charlie Kirk disclaimer. You may not like them, but you may not agree with everything they do musically, but you have to acknowledge that they are the best at what they do. Right?
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Yeah.
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It only took a week to just, you know anyway, it's it's remark so it's just remarkable what they do. So they do things that transcend the ordinary. They transcend the normal things that are going on. And this is, you know, it restores faith in me. Well, you know, I had mentioned last time that I wasn't sure, you know, I wasn't sure on 2122 if the scene was really gonna be resilient to, the factors that were going on. And, you know, they, in '21, did a very special Halloween. That was the last special Halloween they did. This was sci fi soldier, and we have to do an app we have to, like, at least cover this at some point in time where they played they instead of, like, this Caswell and Vox theme, they they stuck with it, but they basically were a band from the future that came back to the present. And they left all so, like, the four night Halloween run was, like, the first show first night, they were just leaving all these numerical clues, and nobody knew what it was. And it ended up just building to leaving, clues to the year that they came back from the future. And they, you know so Fish was really leaning into, like, fucking with the audience, but really engaging them and saying pay attention. Right?
I wanna go back to this show on 08/30/2013, which, you know, also maybe that's, like, the time that I feel like when I met I think I mentioned, like, I remember the the dicks run. Maybe it was 2012 that they really started to sound good again and sound like sound like them again. But this show this show at DICK'S the next year, you know, that's the one I I don't have it I don't have it up. Is it 2013? Sorry. This particular show at DICK'S, I'm trying to I'm I'm just trying to look up where it was or when it was. It's 2011. Shit.
This is like the first inkling to me that Swordfish was kind of back to some of their old ways. Right? And, it's it's it's it's the most most shows spell something show where the entire set list, the first letter of every song spelled that sentence. Most shows spell something. And it was cool as fucking hell when they did that. Right? Yes. There's certain things there's certain things. Like, everything that they do for me, I compare like, I I have one standard that I compare, like, the fan buzz to, which is ten thirty one ninety four.
I can't describe it to you, Jason. I can't describe to you what it felt like on the like, being on the Internet the next day and feeling the the heat from what happened. It's but, like, if I was able to explain it to you, may then it's like I feel like people might understand why I hold it in such high significance and hold it similarly. I I like, you know, comparatively, the Satoshi releasing the the white paper in, you know, 2008 exactly, you know, fourteen years later. Right? And it's just, it's very interesting that '21 is a multiple of seven, fourteen to multiple of seven. You know? The numerology of this is endless.
Okay? But, like, the everything that the band does, I judge against the energy I felt on, 11/01/1994. So that goes for, that goes for the Baker's Dozen, goes for a cast full of Vox. I'm not saying these were less energetic. I'm just saying that every everything that I ever experienced from the band is measured against that moment. Yeah. Yeah. Because
[00:16:29] Unknown:
mine is, because mine is is you know, that was early in your in your fish journey, right, relatively speaking, within the first year or so. And mine is, 01/01/2000. You know? I was my you know, just I was at Big Cypress, and coming home from that and that energy, I I totally get what you're saying. And that turned out that ended up being the band reference point that and and that actually took them down
[00:16:56] Unknown:
because that became Right. The bar that could never be that could, like, for them, that could never be reached again. They knew it immediately. The crest of the wave. It's another '21 reference. Right? Maybe not. No. That's February. We I'm getting ahead of myself.
[00:17:19] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:17:20] Unknown:
We're getting ahead of ourselves. I'm sure there is, but, like, we're getting ahead of ourselves.
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Yeah. We're staring we've been staring at numbers for a couple hours. Well, okay. So, like, what I wanted to
[00:17:31] Unknown:
I just wanted to cover a couple quick things before we get into the details of this. Why why did the fans call this the 21 show? What the fuck did they do? Right? So this happens at Hampton. Hampton is where they, again, they first played in 2009 when they came back from permanent hiatus, opened the show with Fluffhead, a song about a, you know, strung out guy looking for going to a bank, looking for some money, and the bank says, sorry, we don't have that, but we can we got some drugs to give you. Right? Legendary fluff head. And I it you know, so it did open my it did open my eye that they opened this run with fluff head. So night one, they started with fluff head. Not sure if you noticed that, but pretty cool.
It's like one of those little things you make a mental note. Like, that's kinda cool. I don't even remember the last time they've been to Hampton. Can you maybe I don't know if you were able to look that up. But when's the last time I did look it up. It was actually seven years. Okay. So okay. So I got so we got I got I got I got two things going on now with the numerology.
[00:18:42] Unknown:
It was also '21. It was 10/21
[00:18:45] Unknown:
Jesus. '20 whatever that whatever seven years. So we're talking seven years, which is 10/21. You know, a multiple of 21, a factor of 21. When they returned Yep. On in 02/2009, it was 03/06/2009. Famous three six nine show. Right? But if you 369 Mhmm. Enough, 369121518, you end up at 21. Yep. It's just as it goes. K? So, like, all these little all these little fun little nuggets all these little fun little nuggets are in here. We're also twenty one years removed from 2004 when they did go on permanent hiatus.
[00:19:28] Unknown:
Yes.
[00:19:29] Unknown:
Correct. I know And I just don't know. I look. I I it's like, okay. We're gonna we're gonna come up with so many of these things, and I just wonder how many of these things Trey noticed before he decided to fucking do this.
[00:19:46] Unknown:
Well, if you allow me, check this out. So we're talking about the show that took place yesterday, which was the twenty first. But on the twentieth, which was Saturday, both sets Normally, official, the the second set is significantly longer than the first. And set breaks are, on average, thirty minutes, give or take, roughly. But on Saturday, both sets clocked in per the band's own website and live audio release. One hour and twenty one minutes for both the first set and You're saying that's on the twentieth? And fun fact, on the twentieth. So they were signaling basically what their intention was calling their shot. For Sunday.
And they played the song Isabella, which is a Jimi Hendrix song that they do not play often. And Which is also the name of Trey's being the Trey's daughter. Is she did she turn 21?
[00:20:44] Unknown:
Tell me she turned 21 or something like that. Know he had a
[00:20:48] Unknown:
no. It was the twenty first time they played the song, Isabella.
[00:20:53] Unknown:
Good god. I will say not my favorite Jimi Hendrix song on earth. And I'm a huge Hendrix fan, but Trey brought it in because of that was his you know, he named his daughter same way I named my daughter, you know, after musicians, both my daughters. That meant that meant a lot to me. Wow. That's really fascinating. Pretty cool? So Yes. Okay. So you're saying they called their shot. Right? Mhmm. And then
[00:21:29] Unknown:
Oh, and the set break was twenty one minutes. Sorry. Okay. So Between those first two sets.
[00:21:35] Unknown:
Okay. So this was two night this was the night prior, you're saying?
[00:21:43] Unknown:
No. This is Saturday. Yes. The night prior on the twentieth. Wow. Calling their shot with basically four instances of 21.
[00:21:52] Unknown:
Wild. Yeah. Okay. So now let's look at, the 21 show. So this was left this was a review on Fishnet, but it's it totally stuck. It's viral. The community already accepts it.
[00:22:12] Unknown:
I mean, half of the responses are, this is what fish fans do. You know, we do post show math and new numbers come up. But Well, let's make the case then. Let's let's just make this case. Situations.
[00:22:24] Unknown:
The I think you and I both know this is no accident. There's no way. Okay? No. There's no way. Did you I'm not a conspiracy. I'm not a new a new I'm not an Oh, I'm gonna say one more thing before you get into this. What do you mean? Yeah. Okay. So, for for Bitcoiners that don't know fish, right, their their character time periods are characterized one point o, two point o, three point o, four point o. They're characterized by their high a their hiate I. So after one point o in February, they went on a little hiatus, came back in o two, lasted two years, went on permanent hiatus, came back, as we said, on the three six nine show. Right? And that was the beginning of three point o.
Right? And then, the COVID bullshit happened, and we called the era they're in now four point o. Okay. Why do I say all this? Okay. One last little one last little connection I'm making I'm gonna make something up and you can tell me whether I'm stupid or crazy. But you might say, okay, I've covered I've covered we did a whole we did the whole joy episode. You know, we believe fish came back after Bitcoin was launched. We think that that that the two of them were on a collision course for the hope of humanity. Right?
And for some reason, whatever the spirits were after, they needed both. Right? Bitcoin got unleashed into the world, and they needed fish to come back and do everything they're doing. Yep. So Bitcoin, you know, Bitcoin's launched on January 3. Right? And then fish comes back in three point o on March 6. So I might argue Yep. That Bitcoin's launch was 2.1. I know it's just tragic. It took me two point one minutes to say that.
[00:24:36] Unknown:
I have a 2.1 stereo systems in front of me.
[00:24:39] Unknown:
Alright, make the case. Let's go. Let's make the case.
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Let's go.
[00:24:46] Unknown:
So I'm seeing here, a, okay, the show was on the show was on November September 21. Right? The '21 show. How many songs did they play in the show? Incredible. 21. Wow. Okay. That's a, you know, that's a little nugget. Open opening song, first tube, second song Mhmm. Twenty years later. Would it that does add up. First tube plus twenty years later adds up to 21. I guess while we're still so while we're in this first set, I did listen to it. It's pretty it's pretty fire. First tube's awesome. Twenty years later, great. I wanna just mention ACDC bag because I actually heard some fish things that I hadn't so ACDC bag is a song that's the third song they played, and that is a song that I've written about. I've written about it almost twice because I have another piece called Highway to Hex that's, like, kind of about ACDC and the fish thing, but also about, you know, hex code hash functions, like and the like. Sure. But, you know, I had Rod Palmer's monologue in my mind as we all did today.
And, you know, ACDC bag opens with a line that I'd never noticed before. Mister Palmer is concerned with the thousand dollar question. Now I I thought I was kinda clever to point out that, you know, they use dollars in Gamehenge because that was the line that would prove that, that song is from the Gamehenge saga. Mister Palmer was Wilson's accountant. Yep. Probably a Jewish accountant. If I mean, I think Rod would like to think that.
[00:26:47] Unknown:
He he would
[00:26:48] Unknown:
tip. Yeah. He would he would come to that. But he was basically, the theme of the song was that, Wilson realized that mister Palmer was siphoning money into the revolution, and the ACDC band was like this it was like this Frankenstein monster that Wilson created to just murder murder someone in a public square. And so Rod not Rod Palmer, mister Palmer was murdered in the public square to make an example out of him. But that was in the moment that turn that was, I guess, the moment that colonel Foreman just said, forget about it. I have to go climb the mountain and handle this.
So ACDC bag, mister Palmer. Is he Rod Palmer? I don't know. But, he is mister Palmer. Could be Robert Palmer. Now Robert Palmer? I wonder if Rod's a big Robert Palmer fan. He must've The thing is, Fish Right? Fish has a has a lyric Robert Palmer, in the song tube. Not first tube, but actual tube. And so they pronounce the name Robert Palmer, not mister Palmer, I think, to distinguish the fact that it's not Robert Palmer. Leaves the door open for it to be Rod Palmer.
[00:28:01] Unknown:
It really does. Who is mister Palmer? He's Wilson's accountant.
[00:28:08] Unknown:
The evil King Wilson's accountant, but secret revolutionary. So, like, you know, there is Rod Palmer vibes there. Right? Like, double double agent little bit of a double agent there. Right?
[00:28:21] Unknown:
That was my weak attempt at, who is Satoshi?
[00:28:24] Unknown:
You know, nobody really knows who he is, but he he is smart enough to be in Wilson's account. Anyhow, what else? You know, ACDC bag has these lyrics, you know, really, like, brain dead and made of money, no future at all. So, like, really alluding again to, like, your time is being stolen. You have no future. And it really it's a weird song that points to the money. It is the money song, right, in this revolutionary saga. Somehow, obviously, Trey knew money. The money had to be involved, and this is the song that did it.
[00:29:11] Unknown:
So Yep. And I I found it very unusual. This is a little bit of a stretch. So for the audience, everything else we're gonna cover is pretty much on the nose 21, but ACDC bag presents an interesting if you were to invert the numerology. So ACDC obviously refers to, electrical Mhmm. Electrical systems, AC being alternating current and DC being direct current. The American standard for both is, you know, home home electricity is a 120 volts. And in your automotive, DC current is typically 12. But if you flip those, you get twenty one and zero two one.
So a bit of a stretch. I like that. I saw someone comment on that on the Internet
[00:30:00] Unknown:
and thought I didn't comment. So, like, there's signal in the first three songs. And then ACDC bag goes in a foam, which is, like, easily one of my favorite fish songs. They never play it. And, we get then we go to life saving gun, rogue gay, or as I like to call it, rut rogue gay. Rut rogue. And then we get 02/2001, which is a '21 reference, seems to be. Right? Yep. 2,001 into meat. Get rid of the zeros. And we get split open and melt, and then we get two songs to close the set that I consider to be very high signal. One is the the key song I wrote about and talked about on a high hash rate the first time, Golgi apparatus.
Go re you can read the essay. We'll attach it to the show notes. You wanna learn all about that. And finally, the song the the set closes with the song called Most Events Aren't Planned. What the fuck, man? They're so damn good at this. It's just insane. And that was it was banging. It was really it really was absolute banging. Loved this set, Particularly, the bookends. First the first two and the most events aren't planned were terrific. Rogay actually was was surprising. Like, normally, I feel like that's a straight up and down pretty boring song. It's nice and all that. But this one, it had a little it had a little extra mustard on it.
[00:31:37] Unknown:
Yeah. The, the split up and the milk got really I mean, it always gets pretty nasty and kinda gnarly at the end, but this one was particularly dark
[00:31:45] Unknown:
and crunchy as the kids like to say. So for the first half of the 21 and so was was there any significance to the timing of these?
[00:31:57] Unknown:
I didn't see any. I I did take one other note that 21 gun salute is a thing, and life saving gun was played in the set. So it said twenty one minute set break. But no. That was actually the night party.
[00:32:13] Unknown:
And now in the second set, we've got a Mike's groove, which was supposedly twenty one minutes. There's no way you could I mean, I'm not gonna say they are not capable of doing that if they want to, but,
[00:32:26] Unknown:
god, that feels like a stretch. Yeah. The mics so the mics groove it's actually the mics
[00:32:32] Unknown:
through We Kapog that adds up to twenty one minutes. Okay. Just wanna make sure you you didn't And, by the way, it's another song I talked about on high hash rate. Mainly, we could pop groove because I talk was talking about the memes. Sharon in the groove. Right? Sharon in the groove is a major fish meme. It's what we do, and it's all about sharing. We just talked about sharing last episode. It's all about doing this together.
[00:32:59] Unknown:
Yeah.
[00:33:00] Unknown:
Yeah. So Mike's group The reason I think they're capable of the the reason I think they're capable of this is because they do it they do it for New Year's every year, Like, where they can pretty much pocket a timing, right, if they want to. And so Yeah. I've been to my share of New Year's where it was Mike's groove into the ball dropping. Right? I mean, they so, like, the Yep. I'm just gonna say it's definitely within their realm. You know?
[00:33:32] Unknown:
It's not unprecedented. And my my deduction is that as you get as we get more into the second set here and when number 21 keeps coming up, somebody had a clock on stage. There's no other way for this to work. Correct.
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By the way, so before we get into that, right, do you know, the story of the man they call Timer? So this is this guy. He goes by Zizix. I used to know him as Zizix. Like, back in the day. Right? Like, way back in the day, he had this website. It was ih0z.com. And he had two things on the website. One was a encyclopedic complete everything you ever wanted to know about the interstate highway system, which, you know, fish fans, I think, generally would find cool because we were on that system quite a bit. Right? And then the other thing he had was, time stamps for pretty much every every song ever. And this was, like, in 1995 where it was very uncommon.
Right? Time stamps were not common. And there's actually a there was a podcast that Tom Marshall did, and he told the story that, Trey actually kicked him out of a show because he was, like, sitting there with his fucking clipboard. And I think, like, Trey got annoyed that he he it looked like he was judging the song lengths. Like you You know, like that he would sit because he's like, you know, he was like this dork, like, Sid standing there with his clipboard, you know, and when whenever the song would end, Trey could actually see him, like, jotting the timestamp down on the clipboard and get annoyed. He Yeah. Yeah. He got annoyed. He basically, you know, had him removed to the point where they had to have, like, a meeting. Like, he, like like, his name is David Steinberg.
Goes by Zizek, but now he like, he used to I remember on the Internet, it was this thing called he had this, like, little thing called time for timer, and he would post all those time stamps and all this stuff. So it's a little funny story. Now it's like That's Now it's so commonplace that we have this twenty one minute you know, now the band kinda knows and seems to wanna lean into it when it suits their purpose, which it seems to suit their purpose right now. Yeah.
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Well, I can understand when it was analog that they were like you know, and Trey was a little more punchy in that Oh, yeah. One point o era. Right? It wasn't quite in like as a wasn't quite bittersweet Motel punchy. He you know?
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No. That's what I was gonna say. This was sober Trey. It's like you guys missed Yeah. Exactly. This is still sober Trey, but he was definitely, he was focused. Let's put this way. I think he was very focused on what he wanted to do. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So we have the twenty one minute Mike's groove, then we get a twenty one minute what's going through your mind. Shout out to that song, which that song has been discussed now in four of our 20 episodes. You got I mean, that's I mean, pretty incredible. Breaking through.
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For a new song.
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Definitely rookie of the year, possibly MVP for this tour. It just seems to be in the mix everywhere where you know? And it's like the the year started with the New Year's gag with what's going through your mind. You gotta you gotta love it. It did. You gotta love the
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And you pointed that out that that the gag a lot of times signals the coming year, what's gonna kind of drive
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drive the, the Did you like how I mentioned the gag in 2019 going into 2020 with, the What was the The business business got brought up to clowns conspiracy. Oh oh, yeah. No. I caught that. Yes. Yes. I was proud of you. I was curious. It's like I didn't brought fish up since I started this podcast. I started this podcast so, like, I would never have to talk about it on rock paper Bitcoin because I know people get so annoyed by it.
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And gotta give credit to business cat because he was, like, well, I would use that word.
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He just he was cool with it.
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He was cool with it. Okay. So but Oh, that's my that's been my word of the year, by the way, comply.
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You you know, I was my my personal trainer, he's he said the greatest thing to me the other day. I walked in. He goes, hey. It's my noncompliant client. And I don't even think he realized how what a great turn of a phrase that was. And I was like, dude, that might be the greatest thing you ever said.
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It's the nicest thing you ever said to me. Like, that is
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like, that's gonna that might be my new Twitter handle, noncompliant client. Pretty good. Actually, that would that kinda summarizes It is good. That summarizes Rod's speech, by the way. Anyway, so we're in the second set. Right? And as we're so the second set, we had three songs. The three song Mike's Groove, twenty one minutes. The next song is What's Going Through Your Mind, which was twenty one minutes. And then the next song, sense and subtle sounds, twenty one minutes. What the fuck?
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I mean, it's it's undeniable.
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It's undeniable that the intent And then the next and right. And then the final three songs are not twenty one minutes, but these are three songs we've either talked about on the podcast or were in my essays. Right? Lonely trip has the lyric about when doors are closed tightly and words are the only keys. You will understand the reason why I'm floating on the breeze. Ghost is something we have to just get into at one point in time, the story of the ghost. Yes. It deserves a whole a whole a whole episode. Ghost represents the nonphysical nature of Bitcoin. You know, that we're gonna get into that at some point in time.
And we cover Chalk Dust Torture in-depth. So that's the set. That's the set. Right? And then the encore the encore is two songs. The encore is twenty one minutes. But also, the encore is a life beyond the dream into Harry hood. And if you Mhmm. If you're a scholar of my essay, the encore of my I write encore, and all I write is thank you, mister miner, which is the lyric in it's like the lyric only lyric in Harryhood. So he mentions a miner. It's actually one of the only songs business cat ever agreed to play as an outro.
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Oh, I didn't know that. Fun fact.
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It's a fun fact. So that's the 21 song. So now did I oh, so we're not even done yet. That's the show. Right? But there's more evidence here for the there's more evidence for the fact that this was planned. Correct? There's a little bit more evidence here, which is you were gonna say, when Phish ends their shows, right, there's always some music that they're playing on the loudspeaker.
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Oh, thank you for helping me out here because I I Queuing you up. I did not jot that down, and you queued me up perfectly. What a great cohost. So and this was at the very, very bottom of the thread that was on that somebody I'm glad I opened up all the comments, the sub comments, because there's actually a really cool for anybody that wants a very eclectic, playlist from Spotify, Look up, fish fish walk in and set break music. And people have curated basically all of this all of the music that fish uses, between sets and for walkouts.
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So before you get into it, right, this was I remember in the early days in the Internet, this was big conversation because this was, like, this was the way Phish never had openers. Like, once the Internet started, right, I wanna say the last time Phish either opened for a band or had an opening act was like the horde tour of nineteen ninety two. I don't think there's ever an opener. So they never had they never had bands they could feature, and they rarely they rarely share the stage. It's like it was very novel if, John Badesky, you know, recently, Billy Strings. It's very, very novel and rare even for them to share the stage with somebody.
So this the music they would have on preshow, separate, and postshow turned out was, like, the music the band really liked, and they wanted us to they just wanted us to hear it. They wanted us to know these other bands. Yep.
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And a great a great example of that early in my in my fish exposure experience was, again, going back to Big Cypress. When the when they played from, you know, just before midnight to sunrise, when the crowd was leaving the field, all 80,000 of us, they played here comes the sun by The Beatles. And everyone that was there will never forget that. And it was it was the song that me and my wife danced to at our wedding for that reason.
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So I remember, like, they would use those they would, fans would pick up, and the band figured out fans were picking up, Halloween teases. So, like, whenever the crowd they whenever people were trying to figure out who they would cover for Halloween, this will be, like, '95, '96, you know, when everyone was so excited about they knew they would cover a band. They would start they would play, you know, they would play Michael Jackson post show to, like, fuck with people. Yes.
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Yeah. They would play they would tease it during a show. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do
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do do do do do
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Yeah. And and and that was the that's that's in reference to the joke from from early early fish. Correct? That all that comes full circle with the ROTC
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where they're get they're playing a party and somebody else Oh, yeah. But, I mean, that was just an example. But, yes, that it is true that it is true that in their first ever show, they were drowned out. They were in a cafeteria, and they just started playing Michael Jackson over the loudspeaker to get them off the stage.
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That is true. Yes. Yeah. They're like, we're done with you. And he's like, okay. By ROTC, you're referring to the
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the ROTC it was like an ROTC event. Yes. ROTC. Maybe some connection with Bitcoin veteran. Maybe Bitcoin veterans would like, like, we'll have, like, a public rock paper Bitcoin listening session and they'll just they'll just drown us out at some, you know, with, with Michael Jackson.
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Really thrilled, man. Anyhow
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anyhow Yeah. So here we are. Outro music. So so and this
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outro music. And this may be a great way to outro this episode, to be frank, because I think this is a great song. And I don't know how many listeners, but when I saw this, how many listeners are are familiar with Earth, Wind, and Fire. But if you are, you've already connected the dots. They have a song called September, and one of the one of the first line one of the early lines of the song is the September. And that's what they played
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after There's a rock paper Bitcoin field there.
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Yeah. I wanna say you guys did a you did a a AI song or something. Some all all my podcasts blend together, but I remember I gave you a little comment. It's like earth, wind, and fire feel on that, music. But, yeah, it's got a rock I think it was rock paper Bitcoin.
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So okay. So they this is selected by the band. And it's once again the September, which, you know, like, that that's something the band would select without caring about the number 21. It just happened to be the September, and it makes sense that they would do that. I don't I'm having a hard time remembering, Fish rarely plays this time of year. Correct? Yeah. Good point. So in three point o, it's always been Dick's Labor Day run, and that was it. Right? I'm trying to, like, really I mean, I maybe 2,000, maybe 99. Like, it's, like, really not This this is like a limp it's a really good point. This is a limbo run. This is not a Yeah. So there's not a lot. So if they ever, like, had this idea that they wanted to do this on September 21, you know, they probably finally saw it on the schedule and said, alright. This is our tour closer. Let's just fucking do it.
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Yeah. We're we're doing the 21 show. That's a really good point. That's a it's not a mathematical proof, but it's I'm satisfied. That's that's my version. That's how I do math proofs. I'm not a I'm I'm like I just like
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we're good here. Right? Very good. I'm not a QED guy. You know? I'm just more like, do you get this? Right? You do get what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I would start a podcast to do a proof.
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Get out
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of
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here. You got you well, let me know when you get it. Let me just know. Well, I did. I have a math podcast, by the way.
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Check it out. You should check that out too.
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And we did we did episode 21 there and didn't even know. I kept calling it episode 19 because I was confusing it with this podcast the whole time.
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Oh. Yeah. Nothing but problems. Exactly.
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So okay. So it's a rarity that they play this time of year, and they maybe they really you know, they got excited to see this date on the calendar. But guess what? It's clearly the '21 show.
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Clearly. Undeniably.
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In the mothership.
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And maybe it takes these assholes
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Should we tell a story about the mothership. Should we tell a story about shakedown? Should we just talk about that?
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I'm gonna let you go ahead because I haven't done any verification. Either have I. This is gonna be like the proof.
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But Okay. Well okay. Look. So first night, there was, there was a story of a stabbing that took place, and nobody really knew. They were very scant. They were scant details, but from what people could put together, it sounded like nitrous mafia. There was a stabbing in the parking lot during the show at around 09:30. So, like, at 09:30, everyone's in the show. Nobody nobody nobody is in the fucking parking lot. You know, dude, I used to go I remember going to dead shows around Philly, and there were shows I didn't get into, and the parking lot was madhouse the whole time. Like, the people didn't even go to go to the show. They went to just hang out and party.
Nobody does that at fish shows. People don't linger around parking lots. Yeah. You know, I was I remember, Hershey twenty twenty one night I think it was night two. Yeah. It was night two. I had to leave early. There was an emergency at home. I had to, like, get in my car and run home. I'm an hour it was, like, an hour and a half away. Gotcha. And my car was not in the parking lot. My car was in a hotel parking lot, and I had to get an Uber to get to it. So it was just like a long thing. Right? Dude, the parking lot was so empty that, like, a security guy found me looking for, like, the Uber pickup, and he was like, dude, do you need a ride? I mean, it was just like there was nobody else around. And so, yeah, I ended up riding with the security guy in his golf cart to, like, the Uber pickup. But this is all to say that parking lots at fish shows are you know, no one's in them. So when we I found one you know, when you saw the story that there's a stabbing in the fish parking lot in the you know? You know, it takes me back to Camden night two twenty eight night one twenty eighteen where during the show, it just so happened that two cops were killed in their cars.
I don't know if you remember this, but, like, it was the next day, dude. It she was some lockdown shit in Camden. Had nothing to do with Phish, the show, or anything like that. Run. Yeah. But you couldn't you know, this is what happens when I mean, we're talking these events happen in two fucking worst neighborhoods that Fish decides they love to play in. Yeah. It it really is. Those are the two words. You know, it wouldn't upset me if they never played in Camden again and wouldn't upset me. It honestly wouldn't upset me if they didn't play Hampton again. And I Yeah. They probably won't play Hampton again. Think they're going to after what happened here. But, like, the thing is so, like, I just want a couple of things. Right? So on Wednesday night was it Wednesday? No. Sorry. It was, Friday night.
It was it it seemed pretty clear that it was some kind it was probably either some local. Most people thought it was, like, nitrous mafia shit, like, just jockeying for territory and dude, there's weird shit that goes on in fish parking lots. It's got nothing to do with the fans, the band. It's just a bunch of scummy scummy drug dealers that follow the scene around. I do remember my a friend, shout out, Asher, sends a text. He's like, I don't know what the hell happened here, but the band put a statement out, dude. They're gonna they're gonna do something special. Like, then this is, like, what happens. Like, Fish responds.
Fish always responds just by doing something super super special when these types of things happen. Even though, like, it it had you know, really does have nothing to do with oh, so you remember, The Gorge 2019? Or, like, somebody got somebody got somebody got somebody got hit in the head with a fucking rock. Really? Oh my god, dude. People were making, like, face plant inter rock jokes. Oh, I remember those jokes. Somebody just and it was like sup you know, like, at the time, it was like, fucking, some white supremacist. And, you you know, like, at the time, that's what it was being that's the story that was being told. These things sometimes happen. They happen so seldomly that I have I can encyclopedically remember them all.
Right. I wonder if Phish basically decided they're never playing in Hampton again and just went fucking just went balls out on this one.
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Yeah. Yeah. Whether it's them flubbing lyrics early in a song, you can expect a really good jam after after a mistake or, like, something like this. They always kinda rise to They saw 22, and they're like, this is it. There ain't gonna be a 23.
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And let's just fucking go all out here. I think we're gonna have Asher on the show at some point.
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Can't wait.
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So, yeah, I wanted to just tell that story. This was, you know, it supposedly happened in the shakedown street. And now so okay. So, like, the details that have come out now are that, it appears that, like, the it was a vendor that was attacked by a local, and the vendor basically stabbed them, like, stabbed the guy in self defense. And so these people fucked around a little bit and found out about, you know, you who would have thought these fish vendors who don't go into the show are, you know, little piece mix. Maybe they are, but they, you know, they they they came to Hampton ready. Okay? I can tell you that much.
Yeah. Hampton's fucked. Yeah. It's fucked up. It's a fucked place.
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Bad. It's violent. So bad. Yeah. They probably thought they were sitting ducks. Right? Just a bunch of no. But people that go on tour, they're they're a lot harder than I don't think I coulda handled, like,
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like, another attack like this. I don't I still don't think I I'm, like, I'm glad it turned out that way. It's because I just honestly, like how much fucking how much shit can we handle here? Exactly. So anyway, there we have it, dude. 21 show I mean, so let's just cap this off by saying, it's not Fish's job to know that 21 is associated with Bitcoin. It's the same way it's not their job to know that looking into a finance box just to check their status is associated with Bitcoin. It's not their job. It's my job. And you're now it's your job. You're now like, it was my job when I wrote about it. Now it's our jobs. We are carrying this baton. I found it so funny. I was, like, on I was reading, like, you know, all these threads today about this to see if anybody mentioned it whatsoever. Right? And all I kept seeing was, like, what does the 21 even mean? And then I see, like, 54 replies and I click on it and it's just nothing.
Nothing. Nothing. That's how I know we got this. I just know we got this. And, you know, one day, I feel like we're gonna start seeing Bitcoin associated with this and we'll be like, you know, we can we we might be able to move on. We might be able to find a way of closure. But, like, none no one's even suggesting it. And so, like, the reason I love this is, first of all, a lot of Bitcoin, my friends in Bitcoin think I'm batshit crazy, but you should know that I come from this group of people. The they are crazy. Right? I come from this group of people. I come from the land of lizards who sit there and time fucking shows and are looking for connections all the time. And the connections to what? I don't know. But it made sense that when I got into Bitcoin, I would be making these connections. It just makes sense. Of course, just like, of course, that's how it is. Right? And Jason appears to have done the same thing since entering my orbit. He's like, okay. Yeah. I can't fucking ignore this shit. Yes.
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No. They're both they're both way too important to not be somewhat connected.
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And the again, the fish doesn't have to know. They're it's not their job. Their job is to be the vessel that sends the signal. The conduit. And our job is to make the connection. That's right. Any parting thoughts? Because that would it was a great place to cut it. But, like, if you have any parting thoughts No. We'll cut it there.
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I really don't. I really don't. Sweet. We'll cut it
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right there.
And we're back on the chain. Back on the chain. How does it feel to be back on the chain so soon?
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Yeah. It didn't take us that long to get back on this train. This is, we are in the,
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this is emergency podcast week for, for me. I just I put one out. Is it was it I don't know if you know if it was yesterday or the day before, but, did our normal rock paper Bitcoin on Saturday and then had to do an emergency podcast on Saturday. Put that one out. Yep. We released the epi the rock paper Bitcoin episode today. And now we had to do an emergency fish podcast episode.
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Yeah. And and before we get into that, tying into what you just said, I woke up today, and I listened to rock paper bitcoin, which was, by the way, likely will go down at least as the best episode you guys have done. Dude, I appreciate that. And I before I
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Just let me just cut you off because that's, like, what I do. But just let me just interject one thing. Yeah. That's what you did. It is the favorite episode I think I've ever done, and I knew how like, it felt like the best episode, like, in the middle of it, and I feel like I said it in the middle of it. I loved it, and it I think it opened my aperture up for whatever made me do the emergency solo rip that day too. I just had it. I I loved it. So I'm sorry to interrupt. Thank you for saying that. I appreciate it. No. No. I appreciate you recognizing.
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Absolutely. No. It's so obvious, and you already see it in the boost. So it's not just me. I guess I want to look at the boost. I don't know. Something's happened. Something's there's a a tipping point has happened in the Bitcoin's space. Because after I listened to rock the excellent rock paper Bitcoin episode, I went right into
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The bugle? Okay. Yeah. The bugle. So there there was a tip. Yes.
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And and that because Rod's monologue believable.
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Rod's monologue was like, imagine like a you know how a lot buried alive is like the song usually that, like, signifies, like, dude, we're we are about to we're about to blast off for fucking you know? Your spaceship is about to blast off. Right? Broad's monologue felt like Yeah. Buried alive. I might have to open the show. We might have to open this show with buried alive. Even though it's not part of the emergency room, I think that's, like, to represent Rod's monologue part of the and how fucking fire that was. And I know which buried alive I wanna do, and I I know which one. Yeah. It's gonna be the five eight ninety three, Buried Alive, if we can find it. Okay.
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So before I was before I was born in Fitch, it was a a pretty amazing birth in Fitch. But Like, clear like, one of the first instances of Buried Alive just signifying
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Oh, and you know what? It's another tour closer, which the show we're talking about is a tour closer. Never miss a fucking tour closer.
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No. Never miss a Sunday show. Never miss a tour closer these days. So, at least in 2020.
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With so you got you felt a little tipped listening to Rod's monologue.
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Yeah. And, you know, I just feel like how do I put this? Because we touched on it at the end of our last rep, episode 20. And we'll get into the significance of, obviously, this being our episode 22. Who knew that it would be an emergency
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episode about the number 21?
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Who knew? What's so funny is I was actually having difficulty coming up with something worthy of being our twenty first episode, and it just fell into our laps. So it's the way the Lord is working. And that's kinda what I'm touching on is, things are coming to fruition in a certain sense. I feel like it's like a new season in Bitcoin as it relates to the culture, which we've we've touched on a little bit. I know you've touched on quite a bit on rock paper Bitcoin, which I assume most of our, dear audience is listening to this is well aware. But in in in the case that there's a few of you that aren't, you should be listening to that podcast as well. But, I gotta give a little bit of credit to, you know, to Greaser too because he immediately, while Rod was giving his five minute monologue, I was like, this sounds a lot like like an Avi sermon from, type chain radio.
And Rod was just one, and and Dick Dick went right into it and pointed that out. And I just thought that was so important. We kinda love Avi and What what I'm seeing QR and
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that group that that that crew. You know? Yep. I'm reading Avi's book too right now. It's pretty fucking awesome.
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It's called 24. His first book.
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I don't Right. Have I talked about it here at all, his book?
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I saw it on your I saw it on your Beautiful, like, purple matte cover book.
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Book is fire.
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And I unfortunately,
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my mind went to, like, the show 24, which is just Yeah. And you know what? It I'm not in the spoiler for anybody, but it's when you realize what 24 means, it's gonna, like, smack you in the face.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's good stuff. But, yeah, we touched on this at the end of our last trip, which was, you know, sharing ourselves, our true selves. Like, not just doing the Bitcoin bit or sing you know, saying the the memes, but actually revealing, like, who we are as people. And I feel like that that's just coming to the surface for some reason as a collective unconscious or unified consciousness, depending on which way you look at it. I like I I like unified consciousness because it's, it's affirmative, which we've touched on here. It's an affirmative, unity. But, just wanted to say that. And,
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yeah, let's continue down that down that path Okay. Together. I my only hope for this episode is that it's not it's not gonna be twenty one minutes long. Like, the Encore last night. Supposed to do a rip that short. So, the Encore so last night the Encore. Was, September 21. 09/2125, the day that will go down in infamy. From reasons people don't yet understand, but we just have a lot to talk about. So Fish played their tour closer at the Mecca. I call it The Mecca, Hampton. We've mentioned Hampton in the show before because that is, that is the the venue that they, started the three point o era. They started the Bitcoin era, the 3 Bitcoin era. They started, in Hampton.
Hampton, Virginia, Hampton Coliseum, legendary, iconic. How many times did the dead play there?
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Legend, 21 in total. And how many? I haven't very because I haven't verified that, but that was And what was, Fish's
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count at Hampton prior to last night's show?
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It was 21. 21. And
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Fish decided to do something. Fish does things. We talk we I even mentioned it last week. Well, no. No. It was it was a couple weeks ago when, maybe it was last week we talked about just being in Alabama and making a very subtle reference. They do things like that. Right. But then sometimes they do things sometimes they do things for thirteen nights that encapsulates a big idea. And sometimes they just do things on one night just to make you just to make sure you never stop paying attention.
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Very true. And by the way, I will point out this there was a little bit of a crossover between their twentieth performance at Hampton and their twenty first on the numerology side of things, which is even more fascinating. And I think I have some nuggets that you probably haven't haven't heard of yet. This is being called by Phish fans,
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the 21 show. So now you see why we decided we had to do a emergency podcast here. We have to address so that okay. So let me just rewind the tape for a second. Okay? You know, two to three years ago, I wrote an essay connecting Bitcoin and fish. Okay? And maybe a year ago, I wrote a second essay. And it's it insisted that fish and Bitcoin are connected in some way, and it's probably likely that the band doesn't even know. They're blissfully unaware that the spirits are working through them. And, they've said on numerous occasions that that's the case with music with them, that they're just a vessel. They're just the vessel for by which they're like the Bitcoin miner, you know, that that connects the metaphysical with the physical world.
Okay. Right? And that's all they are. That's all they are. All they are is the only entity on Earth that does this, really, the way they do it. And, you know, you may not like the music. This is Charlie Kirk disclaimer. You may not like them, but you may not agree with everything they do musically, but you have to acknowledge that they are the best at what they do. Right?
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Yeah.
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It only took a week to just, you know anyway, it's it's remark so it's just remarkable what they do. So they do things that transcend the ordinary. They transcend the normal things that are going on. And this is, you know, it restores faith in me. Well, you know, I had mentioned last time that I wasn't sure, you know, I wasn't sure on 2122 if the scene was really gonna be resilient to, the factors that were going on. And, you know, they, in '21, did a very special Halloween. That was the last special Halloween they did. This was sci fi soldier, and we have to do an app we have to, like, at least cover this at some point in time where they played they instead of, like, this Caswell and Vox theme, they they stuck with it, but they basically were a band from the future that came back to the present. And they left all so, like, the four night Halloween run was, like, the first show first night, they were just leaving all these numerical clues, and nobody knew what it was. And it ended up just building to leaving, clues to the year that they came back from the future. And they, you know so Fish was really leaning into, like, fucking with the audience, but really engaging them and saying pay attention. Right?
I wanna go back to this show on 08/30/2013, which, you know, also maybe that's, like, the time that I feel like when I met I think I mentioned, like, I remember the the dicks run. Maybe it was 2012 that they really started to sound good again and sound like sound like them again. But this show this show at DICK'S the next year, you know, that's the one I I don't have it I don't have it up. Is it 2013? Sorry. This particular show at DICK'S, I'm trying to I'm I'm just trying to look up where it was or when it was. It's 2011. Shit.
This is like the first inkling to me that Swordfish was kind of back to some of their old ways. Right? And, it's it's it's it's the most most shows spell something show where the entire set list, the first letter of every song spelled that sentence. Most shows spell something. And it was cool as fucking hell when they did that. Right? Yes. There's certain things there's certain things. Like, everything that they do for me, I compare like, I I have one standard that I compare, like, the fan buzz to, which is ten thirty one ninety four.
I can't describe it to you, Jason. I can't describe to you what it felt like on the like, being on the Internet the next day and feeling the the heat from what happened. It's but, like, if I was able to explain it to you, may then it's like I feel like people might understand why I hold it in such high significance and hold it similarly. I I like, you know, comparatively, the Satoshi releasing the the white paper in, you know, 2008 exactly, you know, fourteen years later. Right? And it's just, it's very interesting that '21 is a multiple of seven, fourteen to multiple of seven. You know? The numerology of this is endless.
Okay? But, like, the everything that the band does, I judge against the energy I felt on, 11/01/1994. So that goes for, that goes for the Baker's Dozen, goes for a cast full of Vox. I'm not saying these were less energetic. I'm just saying that every everything that I ever experienced from the band is measured against that moment. Yeah. Yeah. Because
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mine is, because mine is is you know, that was early in your in your fish journey, right, relatively speaking, within the first year or so. And mine is, 01/01/2000. You know? I was my you know, just I was at Big Cypress, and coming home from that and that energy, I I totally get what you're saying. And that turned out that ended up being the band reference point that and and that actually took them down
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because that became Right. The bar that could never be that could, like, for them, that could never be reached again. They knew it immediately. The crest of the wave. It's another '21 reference. Right? Maybe not. No. That's February. We I'm getting ahead of myself.
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Yeah.
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We're getting ahead of ourselves. I'm sure there is, but, like, we're getting ahead of ourselves.
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Yeah. We're staring we've been staring at numbers for a couple hours. Well, okay. So, like, what I wanted to
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I just wanted to cover a couple quick things before we get into the details of this. Why why did the fans call this the 21 show? What the fuck did they do? Right? So this happens at Hampton. Hampton is where they, again, they first played in 2009 when they came back from permanent hiatus, opened the show with Fluffhead, a song about a, you know, strung out guy looking for going to a bank, looking for some money, and the bank says, sorry, we don't have that, but we can we got some drugs to give you. Right? Legendary fluff head. And I it you know, so it did open my it did open my eye that they opened this run with fluff head. So night one, they started with fluff head. Not sure if you noticed that, but pretty cool.
It's like one of those little things you make a mental note. Like, that's kinda cool. I don't even remember the last time they've been to Hampton. Can you maybe I don't know if you were able to look that up. But when's the last time I did look it up. It was actually seven years. Okay. So okay. So I got so we got I got I got I got two things going on now with the numerology.
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It was also '21. It was 10/21
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Jesus. '20 whatever that whatever seven years. So we're talking seven years, which is 10/21. You know, a multiple of 21, a factor of 21. When they returned Yep. On in 02/2009, it was 03/06/2009. Famous three six nine show. Right? But if you 369 Mhmm. Enough, 369121518, you end up at 21. Yep. It's just as it goes. K? So, like, all these little all these little fun little nuggets all these little fun little nuggets are in here. We're also twenty one years removed from 2004 when they did go on permanent hiatus.
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Yes.
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Correct. I know And I just don't know. I look. I I it's like, okay. We're gonna we're gonna come up with so many of these things, and I just wonder how many of these things Trey noticed before he decided to fucking do this.
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Well, if you allow me, check this out. So we're talking about the show that took place yesterday, which was the twenty first. But on the twentieth, which was Saturday, both sets Normally, official, the the second set is significantly longer than the first. And set breaks are, on average, thirty minutes, give or take, roughly. But on Saturday, both sets clocked in per the band's own website and live audio release. One hour and twenty one minutes for both the first set and You're saying that's on the twentieth? And fun fact, on the twentieth. So they were signaling basically what their intention was calling their shot. For Sunday.
And they played the song Isabella, which is a Jimi Hendrix song that they do not play often. And Which is also the name of Trey's being the Trey's daughter. Is she did she turn 21?
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Tell me she turned 21 or something like that. Know he had a
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no. It was the twenty first time they played the song, Isabella.
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Good god. I will say not my favorite Jimi Hendrix song on earth. And I'm a huge Hendrix fan, but Trey brought it in because of that was his you know, he named his daughter same way I named my daughter, you know, after musicians, both my daughters. That meant that meant a lot to me. Wow. That's really fascinating. Pretty cool? So Yes. Okay. So you're saying they called their shot. Right? Mhmm. And then
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Oh, and the set break was twenty one minutes. Sorry. Okay. So Between those first two sets.
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Okay. So this was two night this was the night prior, you're saying?
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No. This is Saturday. Yes. The night prior on the twentieth. Wow. Calling their shot with basically four instances of 21.
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Wild. Yeah. Okay. So now let's look at, the 21 show. So this was left this was a review on Fishnet, but it's it totally stuck. It's viral. The community already accepts it.
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I mean, half of the responses are, this is what fish fans do. You know, we do post show math and new numbers come up. But Well, let's make the case then. Let's let's just make this case. Situations.
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The I think you and I both know this is no accident. There's no way. Okay? No. There's no way. Did you I'm not a conspiracy. I'm not a new a new I'm not an Oh, I'm gonna say one more thing before you get into this. What do you mean? Yeah. Okay. So, for for Bitcoiners that don't know fish, right, their their character time periods are characterized one point o, two point o, three point o, four point o. They're characterized by their high a their hiate I. So after one point o in February, they went on a little hiatus, came back in o two, lasted two years, went on permanent hiatus, came back, as we said, on the three six nine show. Right? And that was the beginning of three point o.
Right? And then, the COVID bullshit happened, and we called the era they're in now four point o. Okay. Why do I say all this? Okay. One last little one last little connection I'm making I'm gonna make something up and you can tell me whether I'm stupid or crazy. But you might say, okay, I've covered I've covered we did a whole we did the whole joy episode. You know, we believe fish came back after Bitcoin was launched. We think that that that the two of them were on a collision course for the hope of humanity. Right?
And for some reason, whatever the spirits were after, they needed both. Right? Bitcoin got unleashed into the world, and they needed fish to come back and do everything they're doing. Yep. So Bitcoin, you know, Bitcoin's launched on January 3. Right? And then fish comes back in three point o on March 6. So I might argue Yep. That Bitcoin's launch was 2.1. I know it's just tragic. It took me two point one minutes to say that.
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I have a 2.1 stereo systems in front of me.
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Alright, make the case. Let's go. Let's make the case.
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Let's go.
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So I'm seeing here, a, okay, the show was on the show was on November September 21. Right? The '21 show. How many songs did they play in the show? Incredible. 21. Wow. Okay. That's a, you know, that's a little nugget. Open opening song, first tube, second song Mhmm. Twenty years later. Would it that does add up. First tube plus twenty years later adds up to 21. I guess while we're still so while we're in this first set, I did listen to it. It's pretty it's pretty fire. First tube's awesome. Twenty years later, great. I wanna just mention ACDC bag because I actually heard some fish things that I hadn't so ACDC bag is a song that's the third song they played, and that is a song that I've written about. I've written about it almost twice because I have another piece called Highway to Hex that's, like, kind of about ACDC and the fish thing, but also about, you know, hex code hash functions, like and the like. Sure. But, you know, I had Rod Palmer's monologue in my mind as we all did today.
And, you know, ACDC bag opens with a line that I'd never noticed before. Mister Palmer is concerned with the thousand dollar question. Now I I thought I was kinda clever to point out that, you know, they use dollars in Gamehenge because that was the line that would prove that, that song is from the Gamehenge saga. Mister Palmer was Wilson's accountant. Yep. Probably a Jewish accountant. If I mean, I think Rod would like to think that.
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He he would
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tip. Yeah. He would he would come to that. But he was basically, the theme of the song was that, Wilson realized that mister Palmer was siphoning money into the revolution, and the ACDC band was like this it was like this Frankenstein monster that Wilson created to just murder murder someone in a public square. And so Rod not Rod Palmer, mister Palmer was murdered in the public square to make an example out of him. But that was in the moment that turn that was, I guess, the moment that colonel Foreman just said, forget about it. I have to go climb the mountain and handle this.
So ACDC bag, mister Palmer. Is he Rod Palmer? I don't know. But, he is mister Palmer. Could be Robert Palmer. Now Robert Palmer? I wonder if Rod's a big Robert Palmer fan. He must've The thing is, Fish Right? Fish has a has a lyric Robert Palmer, in the song tube. Not first tube, but actual tube. And so they pronounce the name Robert Palmer, not mister Palmer, I think, to distinguish the fact that it's not Robert Palmer. Leaves the door open for it to be Rod Palmer.
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It really does. Who is mister Palmer? He's Wilson's accountant.
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The evil King Wilson's accountant, but secret revolutionary. So, like, you know, there is Rod Palmer vibes there. Right? Like, double double agent little bit of a double agent there. Right?
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That was my weak attempt at, who is Satoshi?
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You know, nobody really knows who he is, but he he is smart enough to be in Wilson's account. Anyhow, what else? You know, ACDC bag has these lyrics, you know, really, like, brain dead and made of money, no future at all. So, like, really alluding again to, like, your time is being stolen. You have no future. And it really it's a weird song that points to the money. It is the money song, right, in this revolutionary saga. Somehow, obviously, Trey knew money. The money had to be involved, and this is the song that did it.
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So Yep. And I I found it very unusual. This is a little bit of a stretch. So for the audience, everything else we're gonna cover is pretty much on the nose 21, but ACDC bag presents an interesting if you were to invert the numerology. So ACDC obviously refers to, electrical Mhmm. Electrical systems, AC being alternating current and DC being direct current. The American standard for both is, you know, home home electricity is a 120 volts. And in your automotive, DC current is typically 12. But if you flip those, you get twenty one and zero two one.
So a bit of a stretch. I like that. I saw someone comment on that on the Internet
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and thought I didn't comment. So, like, there's signal in the first three songs. And then ACDC bag goes in a foam, which is, like, easily one of my favorite fish songs. They never play it. And, we get then we go to life saving gun, rogue gay, or as I like to call it, rut rogue gay. Rut rogue. And then we get 02/2001, which is a '21 reference, seems to be. Right? Yep. 2,001 into meat. Get rid of the zeros. And we get split open and melt, and then we get two songs to close the set that I consider to be very high signal. One is the the key song I wrote about and talked about on a high hash rate the first time, Golgi apparatus.
Go re you can read the essay. We'll attach it to the show notes. You wanna learn all about that. And finally, the song the the set closes with the song called Most Events Aren't Planned. What the fuck, man? They're so damn good at this. It's just insane. And that was it was banging. It was really it really was absolute banging. Loved this set, Particularly, the bookends. First the first two and the most events aren't planned were terrific. Rogay actually was was surprising. Like, normally, I feel like that's a straight up and down pretty boring song. It's nice and all that. But this one, it had a little it had a little extra mustard on it.
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Yeah. The, the split up and the milk got really I mean, it always gets pretty nasty and kinda gnarly at the end, but this one was particularly dark
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and crunchy as the kids like to say. So for the first half of the 21 and so was was there any significance to the timing of these?
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I didn't see any. I I did take one other note that 21 gun salute is a thing, and life saving gun was played in the set. So it said twenty one minute set break. But no. That was actually the night party.
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And now in the second set, we've got a Mike's groove, which was supposedly twenty one minutes. There's no way you could I mean, I'm not gonna say they are not capable of doing that if they want to, but,
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god, that feels like a stretch. Yeah. The mics so the mics groove it's actually the mics
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through We Kapog that adds up to twenty one minutes. Okay. Just wanna make sure you you didn't And, by the way, it's another song I talked about on high hash rate. Mainly, we could pop groove because I talk was talking about the memes. Sharon in the groove. Right? Sharon in the groove is a major fish meme. It's what we do, and it's all about sharing. We just talked about sharing last episode. It's all about doing this together.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So Mike's group The reason I think they're capable of the the reason I think they're capable of this is because they do it they do it for New Year's every year, Like, where they can pretty much pocket a timing, right, if they want to. And so Yeah. I've been to my share of New Year's where it was Mike's groove into the ball dropping. Right? I mean, they so, like, the Yep. I'm just gonna say it's definitely within their realm. You know?
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It's not unprecedented. And my my deduction is that as you get as we get more into the second set here and when number 21 keeps coming up, somebody had a clock on stage. There's no other way for this to work. Correct.
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By the way, so before we get into that, right, do you know, the story of the man they call Timer? So this is this guy. He goes by Zizix. I used to know him as Zizix. Like, back in the day. Right? Like, way back in the day, he had this website. It was ih0z.com. And he had two things on the website. One was a encyclopedic complete everything you ever wanted to know about the interstate highway system, which, you know, fish fans, I think, generally would find cool because we were on that system quite a bit. Right? And then the other thing he had was, time stamps for pretty much every every song ever. And this was, like, in 1995 where it was very uncommon.
Right? Time stamps were not common. And there's actually a there was a podcast that Tom Marshall did, and he told the story that, Trey actually kicked him out of a show because he was, like, sitting there with his fucking clipboard. And I think, like, Trey got annoyed that he he it looked like he was judging the song lengths. Like you You know, like that he would sit because he's like, you know, he was like this dork, like, Sid standing there with his clipboard, you know, and when whenever the song would end, Trey could actually see him, like, jotting the timestamp down on the clipboard and get annoyed. He Yeah. Yeah. He got annoyed. He basically, you know, had him removed to the point where they had to have, like, a meeting. Like, he, like like, his name is David Steinberg.
Goes by Zizek, but now he like, he used to I remember on the Internet, it was this thing called he had this, like, little thing called time for timer, and he would post all those time stamps and all this stuff. So it's a little funny story. Now it's like That's Now it's so commonplace that we have this twenty one minute you know, now the band kinda knows and seems to wanna lean into it when it suits their purpose, which it seems to suit their purpose right now. Yeah.
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Well, I can understand when it was analog that they were like you know, and Trey was a little more punchy in that Oh, yeah. One point o era. Right? It wasn't quite in like as a wasn't quite bittersweet Motel punchy. He you know?
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No. That's what I was gonna say. This was sober Trey. It's like you guys missed Yeah. Exactly. This is still sober Trey, but he was definitely, he was focused. Let's put this way. I think he was very focused on what he wanted to do. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So we have the twenty one minute Mike's groove, then we get a twenty one minute what's going through your mind. Shout out to that song, which that song has been discussed now in four of our 20 episodes. You got I mean, that's I mean, pretty incredible. Breaking through.
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For a new song.
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Definitely rookie of the year, possibly MVP for this tour. It just seems to be in the mix everywhere where you know? And it's like the the year started with the New Year's gag with what's going through your mind. You gotta you gotta love it. It did. You gotta love the
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And you pointed that out that that the gag a lot of times signals the coming year, what's gonna kind of drive
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drive the, the Did you like how I mentioned the gag in 2019 going into 2020 with, the What was the The business business got brought up to clowns conspiracy. Oh oh, yeah. No. I caught that. Yes. Yes. I was proud of you. I was curious. It's like I didn't brought fish up since I started this podcast. I started this podcast so, like, I would never have to talk about it on rock paper Bitcoin because I know people get so annoyed by it.
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And gotta give credit to business cat because he was, like, well, I would use that word.
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He just he was cool with it.
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He was cool with it. Okay. So but Oh, that's my that's been my word of the year, by the way, comply.
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You you know, I was my my personal trainer, he's he said the greatest thing to me the other day. I walked in. He goes, hey. It's my noncompliant client. And I don't even think he realized how what a great turn of a phrase that was. And I was like, dude, that might be the greatest thing you ever said.
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It's the nicest thing you ever said to me. Like, that is
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like, that's gonna that might be my new Twitter handle, noncompliant client. Pretty good. Actually, that would that kinda summarizes It is good. That summarizes Rod's speech, by the way. Anyway, so we're in the second set. Right? And as we're so the second set, we had three songs. The three song Mike's Groove, twenty one minutes. The next song is What's Going Through Your Mind, which was twenty one minutes. And then the next song, sense and subtle sounds, twenty one minutes. What the fuck?
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I mean, it's it's undeniable.
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It's undeniable that the intent And then the next and right. And then the final three songs are not twenty one minutes, but these are three songs we've either talked about on the podcast or were in my essays. Right? Lonely trip has the lyric about when doors are closed tightly and words are the only keys. You will understand the reason why I'm floating on the breeze. Ghost is something we have to just get into at one point in time, the story of the ghost. Yes. It deserves a whole a whole a whole episode. Ghost represents the nonphysical nature of Bitcoin. You know, that we're gonna get into that at some point in time.
And we cover Chalk Dust Torture in-depth. So that's the set. That's the set. Right? And then the encore the encore is two songs. The encore is twenty one minutes. But also, the encore is a life beyond the dream into Harry hood. And if you Mhmm. If you're a scholar of my essay, the encore of my I write encore, and all I write is thank you, mister miner, which is the lyric in it's like the lyric only lyric in Harryhood. So he mentions a miner. It's actually one of the only songs business cat ever agreed to play as an outro.
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Oh, I didn't know that. Fun fact.
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It's a fun fact. So that's the 21 song. So now did I oh, so we're not even done yet. That's the show. Right? But there's more evidence here for the there's more evidence for the fact that this was planned. Correct? There's a little bit more evidence here, which is you were gonna say, when Phish ends their shows, right, there's always some music that they're playing on the loudspeaker.
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Oh, thank you for helping me out here because I I Queuing you up. I did not jot that down, and you queued me up perfectly. What a great cohost. So and this was at the very, very bottom of the thread that was on that somebody I'm glad I opened up all the comments, the sub comments, because there's actually a really cool for anybody that wants a very eclectic, playlist from Spotify, Look up, fish fish walk in and set break music. And people have curated basically all of this all of the music that fish uses, between sets and for walkouts.
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So before you get into it, right, this was I remember in the early days in the Internet, this was big conversation because this was, like, this was the way Phish never had openers. Like, once the Internet started, right, I wanna say the last time Phish either opened for a band or had an opening act was like the horde tour of nineteen ninety two. I don't think there's ever an opener. So they never had they never had bands they could feature, and they rarely they rarely share the stage. It's like it was very novel if, John Badesky, you know, recently, Billy Strings. It's very, very novel and rare even for them to share the stage with somebody.
So this the music they would have on preshow, separate, and postshow turned out was, like, the music the band really liked, and they wanted us to they just wanted us to hear it. They wanted us to know these other bands. Yep.
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And a great a great example of that early in my in my fish exposure experience was, again, going back to Big Cypress. When the when they played from, you know, just before midnight to sunrise, when the crowd was leaving the field, all 80,000 of us, they played here comes the sun by The Beatles. And everyone that was there will never forget that. And it was it was the song that me and my wife danced to at our wedding for that reason.
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So I remember, like, they would use those they would, fans would pick up, and the band figured out fans were picking up, Halloween teases. So, like, whenever the crowd they whenever people were trying to figure out who they would cover for Halloween, this will be, like, '95, '96, you know, when everyone was so excited about they knew they would cover a band. They would start they would play, you know, they would play Michael Jackson post show to, like, fuck with people. Yes.
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Yeah. They would play they would tease it during a show. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do
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do do do do do
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Yeah. And and and that was the that's that's in reference to the joke from from early early fish. Correct? That all that comes full circle with the ROTC
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where they're get they're playing a party and somebody else Oh, yeah. But, I mean, that was just an example. But, yes, that it is true that it is true that in their first ever show, they were drowned out. They were in a cafeteria, and they just started playing Michael Jackson over the loudspeaker to get them off the stage.
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That is true. Yes. Yeah. They're like, we're done with you. And he's like, okay. By ROTC, you're referring to the
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the ROTC it was like an ROTC event. Yes. ROTC. Maybe some connection with Bitcoin veteran. Maybe Bitcoin veterans would like, like, we'll have, like, a public rock paper Bitcoin listening session and they'll just they'll just drown us out at some, you know, with, with Michael Jackson.
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Really thrilled, man. Anyhow
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anyhow Yeah. So here we are. Outro music. So so and this
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outro music. And this may be a great way to outro this episode, to be frank, because I think this is a great song. And I don't know how many listeners, but when I saw this, how many listeners are are familiar with Earth, Wind, and Fire. But if you are, you've already connected the dots. They have a song called September, and one of the one of the first line one of the early lines of the song is the September. And that's what they played
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after There's a rock paper Bitcoin field there.
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Yeah. I wanna say you guys did a you did a a AI song or something. Some all all my podcasts blend together, but I remember I gave you a little comment. It's like earth, wind, and fire feel on that, music. But, yeah, it's got a rock I think it was rock paper Bitcoin.
[00:45:50] Unknown:
So okay. So they this is selected by the band. And it's once again the September, which, you know, like, that that's something the band would select without caring about the number 21. It just happened to be the September, and it makes sense that they would do that. I don't I'm having a hard time remembering, Fish rarely plays this time of year. Correct? Yeah. Good point. So in three point o, it's always been Dick's Labor Day run, and that was it. Right? I'm trying to, like, really I mean, I maybe 2,000, maybe 99. Like, it's, like, really not This this is like a limp it's a really good point. This is a limbo run. This is not a Yeah. So there's not a lot. So if they ever, like, had this idea that they wanted to do this on September 21, you know, they probably finally saw it on the schedule and said, alright. This is our tour closer. Let's just fucking do it.
[00:46:55] Unknown:
Yeah. We're we're doing the 21 show. That's a really good point. That's a it's not a mathematical proof, but it's I'm satisfied. That's that's my version. That's how I do math proofs. I'm not a I'm I'm like I just like
[00:47:08] Unknown:
we're good here. Right? Very good. I'm not a QED guy. You know? I'm just more like, do you get this? Right? You do get what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I would start a podcast to do a proof.
[00:47:22] Unknown:
Get out
[00:47:23] Unknown:
of
[00:47:24] Unknown:
here. You got you well, let me know when you get it. Let me just know. Well, I did. I have a math podcast, by the way.
[00:47:31] Unknown:
Check it out. You should check that out too.
[00:47:34] Unknown:
And we did we did episode 21 there and didn't even know. I kept calling it episode 19 because I was confusing it with this podcast the whole time.
[00:47:42] Unknown:
Oh. Yeah. Nothing but problems. Exactly.
[00:47:46] Unknown:
So okay. So it's a rarity that they play this time of year, and they maybe they really you know, they got excited to see this date on the calendar. But guess what? It's clearly the '21 show.
[00:48:02] Unknown:
Clearly. Undeniably.
[00:48:04] Unknown:
In the mothership.
[00:48:05] Unknown:
And maybe it takes these assholes
[00:48:07] Unknown:
Should we tell a story about the mothership. Should we tell a story about shakedown? Should we just talk about that?
[00:48:15] Unknown:
I'm gonna let you go ahead because I haven't done any verification. Either have I. This is gonna be like the proof.
[00:48:22] Unknown:
But Okay. Well okay. Look. So first night, there was, there was a story of a stabbing that took place, and nobody really knew. They were very scant. They were scant details, but from what people could put together, it sounded like nitrous mafia. There was a stabbing in the parking lot during the show at around 09:30. So, like, at 09:30, everyone's in the show. Nobody nobody nobody is in the fucking parking lot. You know, dude, I used to go I remember going to dead shows around Philly, and there were shows I didn't get into, and the parking lot was madhouse the whole time. Like, the people didn't even go to go to the show. They went to just hang out and party.
Nobody does that at fish shows. People don't linger around parking lots. Yeah. You know, I was I remember, Hershey twenty twenty one night I think it was night two. Yeah. It was night two. I had to leave early. There was an emergency at home. I had to, like, get in my car and run home. I'm an hour it was, like, an hour and a half away. Gotcha. And my car was not in the parking lot. My car was in a hotel parking lot, and I had to get an Uber to get to it. So it was just like a long thing. Right? Dude, the parking lot was so empty that, like, a security guy found me looking for, like, the Uber pickup, and he was like, dude, do you need a ride? I mean, it was just like there was nobody else around. And so, yeah, I ended up riding with the security guy in his golf cart to, like, the Uber pickup. But this is all to say that parking lots at fish shows are you know, no one's in them. So when we I found one you know, when you saw the story that there's a stabbing in the fish parking lot in the you know? You know, it takes me back to Camden night two twenty eight night one twenty eighteen where during the show, it just so happened that two cops were killed in their cars.
I don't know if you remember this, but, like, it was the next day, dude. It she was some lockdown shit in Camden. Had nothing to do with Phish, the show, or anything like that. Run. Yeah. But you couldn't you know, this is what happens when I mean, we're talking these events happen in two fucking worst neighborhoods that Fish decides they love to play in. Yeah. It it really is. Those are the two words. You know, it wouldn't upset me if they never played in Camden again and wouldn't upset me. It honestly wouldn't upset me if they didn't play Hampton again. And I Yeah. They probably won't play Hampton again. Think they're going to after what happened here. But, like, the thing is so, like, I just want a couple of things. Right? So on Wednesday night was it Wednesday? No. Sorry. It was, Friday night.
It was it it seemed pretty clear that it was some kind it was probably either some local. Most people thought it was, like, nitrous mafia shit, like, just jockeying for territory and dude, there's weird shit that goes on in fish parking lots. It's got nothing to do with the fans, the band. It's just a bunch of scummy scummy drug dealers that follow the scene around. I do remember my a friend, shout out, Asher, sends a text. He's like, I don't know what the hell happened here, but the band put a statement out, dude. They're gonna they're gonna do something special. Like, then this is, like, what happens. Like, Fish responds.
Fish always responds just by doing something super super special when these types of things happen. Even though, like, it it had you know, really does have nothing to do with oh, so you remember, The Gorge 2019? Or, like, somebody got somebody got somebody got somebody got hit in the head with a fucking rock. Really? Oh my god, dude. People were making, like, face plant inter rock jokes. Oh, I remember those jokes. Somebody just and it was like sup you know, like, at the time, it was like, fucking, some white supremacist. And, you you know, like, at the time, that's what it was being that's the story that was being told. These things sometimes happen. They happen so seldomly that I have I can encyclopedically remember them all.
Right. I wonder if Phish basically decided they're never playing in Hampton again and just went fucking just went balls out on this one.
[00:52:53] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. Whether it's them flubbing lyrics early in a song, you can expect a really good jam after after a mistake or, like, something like this. They always kinda rise to They saw 22, and they're like, this is it. There ain't gonna be a 23.
[00:53:10] Unknown:
And let's just fucking go all out here. I think we're gonna have Asher on the show at some point.
[00:53:19] Unknown:
Can't wait.
[00:53:20] Unknown:
So, yeah, I wanted to just tell that story. This was, you know, it supposedly happened in the shakedown street. And now so okay. So, like, the details that have come out now are that, it appears that, like, the it was a vendor that was attacked by a local, and the vendor basically stabbed them, like, stabbed the guy in self defense. And so these people fucked around a little bit and found out about, you know, you who would have thought these fish vendors who don't go into the show are, you know, little piece mix. Maybe they are, but they, you know, they they they came to Hampton ready. Okay? I can tell you that much.
Yeah. Hampton's fucked. Yeah. It's fucked up. It's a fucked place.
[00:54:10] Unknown:
Bad. It's violent. So bad. Yeah. They probably thought they were sitting ducks. Right? Just a bunch of no. But people that go on tour, they're they're a lot harder than I don't think I coulda handled, like,
[00:54:21] Unknown:
like, another attack like this. I don't I still don't think I I'm, like, I'm glad it turned out that way. It's because I just honestly, like how much fucking how much shit can we handle here? Exactly. So anyway, there we have it, dude. 21 show I mean, so let's just cap this off by saying, it's not Fish's job to know that 21 is associated with Bitcoin. It's the same way it's not their job to know that looking into a finance box just to check their status is associated with Bitcoin. It's not their job. It's my job. And you're now it's your job. You're now like, it was my job when I wrote about it. Now it's our jobs. We are carrying this baton. I found it so funny. I was, like, on I was reading, like, you know, all these threads today about this to see if anybody mentioned it whatsoever. Right? And all I kept seeing was, like, what does the 21 even mean? And then I see, like, 54 replies and I click on it and it's just nothing.
Nothing. Nothing. That's how I know we got this. I just know we got this. And, you know, one day, I feel like we're gonna start seeing Bitcoin associated with this and we'll be like, you know, we can we we might be able to move on. We might be able to find a way of closure. But, like, none no one's even suggesting it. And so, like, the reason I love this is, first of all, a lot of Bitcoin, my friends in Bitcoin think I'm batshit crazy, but you should know that I come from this group of people. The they are crazy. Right? I come from this group of people. I come from the land of lizards who sit there and time fucking shows and are looking for connections all the time. And the connections to what? I don't know. But it made sense that when I got into Bitcoin, I would be making these connections. It just makes sense. Of course, just like, of course, that's how it is. Right? And Jason appears to have done the same thing since entering my orbit. He's like, okay. Yeah. I can't fucking ignore this shit. Yes.
[00:56:29] Unknown:
No. They're both they're both way too important to not be somewhat connected.
[00:56:35] Unknown:
And the again, the fish doesn't have to know. They're it's not their job. Their job is to be the vessel that sends the signal. The conduit. And our job is to make the connection. That's right. Any parting thoughts? Because that would it was a great place to cut it. But, like, if you have any parting thoughts No. We'll cut it there.
[00:56:55] Unknown:
I really don't. I really don't. Sweet. We'll cut it
[00:57:02] Unknown:
right there.
Emergency episode kickoff: back on the chain
Rock Paper Bitcoin shoutouts and a "tipping point"
Rod’s monologue, Buried Alive energy, tour-closer rules
Episode 22 about the number 21: culture season shift
Avi’s book 24, unified consciousness, sharing true selves
Encore length joke and setting the stage for 9/21 Hampton
Hampton lore, Dead and Phish show counts, numerology teasers
Bitcoin x Phish: essays, vessel metaphor, miners and music
Phish’s puzzle history: Sci‑Fi Soldier, DICK’S acrostic show
Benchmark moments: 10/31/94, Big Cypress, setting the bar
Why it’s the "21 show": patterns, dates, returns to Hampton
Stacking 3-6-9 to 21 and 21 years since 2004 hiatus
Calling their shot on 9/20: 1:21 sets and a 21-minute break
Isabella’s 21st play and more 21 breadcrumbs
Dissecting the 9/21 first set: signals in the song choices
AC/DC Bag, Mr. Palmer, Gamehendge and money themes
Foam to 2001 to Golgi: hidden winks and set-one heat
Set two architecture: 21-minute Mike’s Groove and beyond
Timing the jams: the legend of "Timer" and precision play
Triple-21s: What’s Going Through Your Mind, Sense & Subtle Sounds
Lonely Trip, Ghost, Chalk Dust: thematic closers
Encore math: 21-minute capstone and Harry Hood’s miner
Walk-out music clue: Earth, Wind & Fire’s September
Why September 21 mattered: rare fall runs and intent
Shakedown incident context and Phish’s responses
Tour-hard realities: parking lots, security, and scene health
Making the Bitcoin connection explicit: why 21 matters
Closing: Phish as conduit, hosts as connectors, cut to credits
