Fundamentals
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Jason
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Grafton
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Intro: Umphrey's McGee - Hey Nineteen>When The World is Running Down, 2014 Wanne Festival, FL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f6DaDWb6T4
Outro: Widespread Panic - Wondering>I'm Not Alone>Climb to Safety, 2000 Oak Mtn, AL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggJfD0XZLaw
Other Mentions: Phish - While My Guitar Gently Weeps 10/31/94 Glen Falls, NY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3alrPKnKZ14
Phish - Roses are Free (Ween cover) 04/03/98 Uniondale, NY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkHjnoex2gU
The Disco Biscuits - Full Show 05/22/23 Harpa Concert Hall, Iceland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRFHvbP6b1M
Electron - Set Two 12/23/16 Ardmore, PA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0628v5_GGns
Tom Waits - Christmas Card... 1978 Austin City Limits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1v7HakNz4E
Widespread Panic - Driving Song>Surprise Valley>Driving Song, 2000 Austin City Limits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWn98R51KKc
In this episode, we dive into the world of music and Bitcoin with our special guest, Grafton, who joins us from a different time zone to share his experiences. Grafton, a long-time Bitcoiner and a key figure in the Vexl project, discusses the intersection of music and Bitcoin, emphasizing the importance of peer-to-peer tools and the no KYC ethos. We explore the shared experiences of music lovers and Bitcoiners, touching on the cultural impact of bands like Phish, Widespread Panic, and the Disco Biscuits. Grafton shares his journey from being a fan to becoming a part of the Bitcoin community, highlighting the parallels between the music scene and the decentralized world of Bitcoin.
We also delve into the nostalgia of live music experiences, recounting stories from concerts and festivals, and discussing the evolution of bands over the years. From the vibrant scenes at Phish and Panic shows to the unique atmosphere of events like the Iceland Disco Biscuits concerts, we explore how music brings people together. The conversation touches on the cultural significance of bands, the impact of new music, and the role of technology in sharing and preserving live performances. Join us for a lively discussion that bridges the gap between music and Bitcoin, celebrating the community and creativity that both worlds inspire.
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Unknown:
Take what Howard This is a great great moment to be right here. Rack on the Chain history being made in episode 19, in case you're wondering about the music we just listened to. Yeah. Which normally we discuss mid episode. But, it's very exciting because we have a very special guest. He's special in so many ways. For one, it's like three in the morning where he lives, so that's awesome. It will be. It will be at some point. It's very late. We cut him no slack. This is for future guests in in weird time zones.
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Yeah.
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But let's introduce Grafton. Wanna introduce yourself?
[00:01:34] Unknown:
Yeah. Since we started having guests. Yeah. I'll, help you guys out. Yeah. I'm, Grafton. I work on a project called Vexel, in Bitcoin a long time. I'm here, to chat about some music, talk about some stuff, the shared experiences. The way I grew up, we have a lot of things in common with Bitcoiners, and, it's interesting. So I'm looking forward to getting into that and, talking about, like, peer to peer, and why we should build those kind of tools, for no KYC like Bitcoin, because that's that's truly what we we need to have. So, yeah, excited to kinda get to know you. We already chatted a little bit. So Yeah. A little bit. We know each other a little. So we've already swapped some stories and things, so I'm sure we can get into it. Well, Jason and I, I have to tell you, like, we were, like,
[00:02:33] Unknown:
we were, like, little fanboys. That's true. I think we we were maybe on our second episode Mhmm. Of this show, this little experiment. And, our mutually favorite podcast, which RIP no longer exists, High Hash Rate, we heard you we heard this guy on high hash rate talking about the disco biscuits and widespread panic, and we were like, what is this? Who is this dude? But then high hash rate, you you that was the last episode of high which I was actually very jealous of that. I was very jealous. I, I can't tell you how many times I told Dan and Mike, that business guy and I need to be on the last episode. Now you could we can have as many other friends as we want to roll in, and we should be one of those festivals.
I love that show so much.
[00:03:23] Unknown:
Yeah. That, like, I really wanted it. I wanted it to end better than it did. But at least it ended with me. It was pretty good. I mean, I hope I didn't kill it. I hope that wasn't it. But, no, I I had I had some fun with it. I'm sure you did not You did not feel that that show was about to die, and you just gave it a last
[00:03:39] Unknown:
wonderful little but we so so Jason and I were so psyched. We were like, oh my god. Somebody's you know, like, there's there are more of and so for us, it was like validating.
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Like, we were like, oh my god. We just started this podcast,
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and now we hear these voices out there in our world, and that was really cool and hey, Jason. You wanna introduce yourself?
[00:04:00] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. I'm Jason, everybody. I've been on the show the whole time. Great fish banter.
[00:04:05] Unknown:
Fish level banter here. It was really cool to see you know, for us, it was, like, refreshing. It validated our, like, decision to do this show. Exactly.
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It really did.
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And I I don't think I don't know if we said, hey. One day, we're gonna have that guy on. I think I mentioned it on that episode. Like, if we ever have a guest, it should be crafting. He's definitely glad I'm here, man. So correct me if I'm wrong. Basically, you've been, like you found this podcast. You're you're, like, yelling at your phone for a while until you finally decided to reach out and say, listen, dude. I got a lot to say on your show. Let's do this.
[00:04:46] Unknown:
No. Not exam I mean, like, yeah, of course. I reached out to you guys because I it's always nice to to meet somebody else who's kind of has similar shared experiences. And, the, you know, the music is one of those things that, you know, it's like Satoshi said, you know, I don't have the time to explain it to you. You know? Like, I'm sorry if you don't get it. And that's a conversation I've had to have so many times in my life around music. And, you know, going to see shows and people are like, why the hell would you go for a three night run-in Iceland to go see the same band every three nights? I'm like, sorry if you don't, you know, get it. You know, I'm sorry. It's it's a shitload of fun. I promise you you would love it. And I think that Bitcoiners are kind of the same, like, a lot of that. And so, you know, I've met other people who like good music.
That's for sure. And I came across last year, I think, BTC Prague. I was talking to Fractal, and, you know, he is, like, big widespread Panic fan. I was like, holy shit. Hell, yeah, dude. That's like I grew up with that. So Fractal I mean, I've seen Fractal, I if you if it's the same Fractal,
[00:05:58] Unknown:
I've talked to him about coming on the show too. We had it was, Rod Palmer was trolling him about the band Tool. If this is the same one if this is somebody who who's is named Fractal and Chris. Artist. Fractal and Chris. Yeah. You can call me. It's a different Fractal. And if you're out there, Fractal, let's not forget, about coming on here, and let's do in, like, a, you know, talk about tool. You know, you could teach us teach us the ways here.
[00:06:29] Unknown:
I can I can, talk about tool?
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But since talk about tool too well?
[00:06:35] Unknown:
I never got into it. Fact that I've seen tool, like, four times, and it was the exact same show every single time I saw them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good show, at least. Oh, for the first band. The first one was like, hell, yeah. This is a fucking good band. The You know? Lex three were like, oh, wow. This is the same. I could have just played the album.
[00:06:56] Unknown:
Still, nonetheless, I think and not to get it. We'll we'll save the tool episode for when the the fractal I I interacted with on Twitter
[00:07:04] Unknown:
does what you did, which is Well, I think it's a I have a question on on on these two fractals because I think I I'd have heard I know who Fractal Encrypt is, obviously, the guy who does the big node the node artwork. Right? Yeah. But then there was another fractal that, like, talked to but he came on a podcast. Again, they all blend together. But he did, like he said he got his start in, like, like, blotter, like, blotter artwork, like paper. Yeah. Is that ring a bell with either of you? On which frac okay. Okay. So I might be conflating some people, some artists,
[00:07:39] Unknown:
like, blotter, paper. We had a funny moment because, basically, Rod was trolling him about, he made some post about Gen x, and Rod sent something about tool. And I've he he copies me because he just knows that's enough of a breadcrumb to get me to come in and talk about fish. Right? And he says some he said something, and I think my response was something like, how many tool how many Bitcoin based tool podcasts are there? The answer is zero. Right? Yeah. How many Bitcoin based Phish podcasts are there? The answer is more than zero. That was the fun that was the funny little moment, but then we actually had a substantial conversation and you know? So, anyway, I hope it comes on. The tool's interesting because, you know, they're a lot you know,
[00:08:25] Unknown:
we talk about space. A hell of a band. Don't get me wrong. Like, they they're they're a hell of a band. I think that tool is kind of like a theatrical, you know, beautiful presentation. You know, Maynard is an amazing, you know, talent, in the same way that, like, you know, I think Roger Waters and, you know, we I talked about going to see him, you know, seeing the wall. That was amazing, You know? And you saw it too. You saw the same show I saw. And, I think that that's, like, a completely different element to what we see. That's, like, perfectly executed stage show, whereas, you know, going to see Fish or Panic or the Disco Biscuits is you never know what you're gonna get. Exactly. You know? There's, like, old biscuit shows where it's like they're they're like, a year they're playing completely out of tune, like, everything.
That's true. You know? It's like you listen to it. You're like, dude, this band is out of tune, like, really badly. And you hear it, but at the same time, like, there's those little moments in there that you chase, and it is, you know, a sort of addiction. And I think that Bitcoin also has that, because you're constantly, like, you know, trying to figure out what's gonna happen or what's the newest thing and trying to stay ahead of it. You know, it's like, look at Twitter or Nostra right now. It's like just one knots versus core, you know, war of each each other. It's fish versus widespread panic. It is. You know, like, yeah, fake debate. Mechanics putting out, like, mechanics putting out, like, you know, guitar guitar videos, singing songs.
[00:10:01] Unknown:
So, I mean, it it is interesting trying to sigh up the comparisons. If he had good music, maybe, like, we'd sigh up more people. That's, like, what they did in the sixties. Like, they had like, I was thinking about this when Ozzy Osbourne died, which is that, like, today, we were so aware of, like, the satanic cults and stuff like that. But, like, when Ozzy Osbourne existed, the like, that was them giving us, like, really good that was them giving us great music and sway at least getting their our influence, getting us to listen to them because they were giving us a good product.
[00:10:36] Unknown:
Like, the day Ozzy died, I had to drive, like, five hours to Germany to go to the the Einens Vanzig Citadel, and I was just fucking jamming Ozzy the whole way. That's cool. Like, it was amazing. I just I had my kids with me, and we were I'd basically, it was,
[00:10:53] Unknown:
marathoning, like, Randy Rhodes stuff. You know, like, I just like, I fuck, dude. Like, mister Crowley, like, I could, like, listen to that. The fairies wear boots, man. What's that?
[00:11:09] Unknown:
Fairies wear boots gets me every time.
[00:11:13] Unknown:
Yeah. So, like, they used to actually deliver with real with good shit. Now they don't they don't provide anything anymore. I mean And yet they're probably at the peak of their power right now. Who? The Satan fucking people. The Satan people.
[00:11:29] Unknown:
The real Satan people. Yeah. I mean
[00:11:33] Unknown:
Yeah. I think we're all on the same algorithm. Yeah. We embed the same things constantly.
[00:11:39] Unknown:
No one's giving us good music anymore. Right? I mean, in terms, like, in, you know, in terms of, like, the old machine. I mean, the The gizzard the machine. The machine is no longer Gizzard Gizzard is not part of the machine there, are they?
[00:11:52] Unknown:
Gizzard's the ween of this generation. I agree. Yeah. I get it. Now they're gonna put out a hip hop album and then a country album. And they're basically just a bunch of rich kids, I think, that are Aussies that just write a bunch of music and just see what happens. And a lot of it is really good. Side note, though. I think they're, like, Trey's favorite band. They're great. Yeah. I know I know I mean, I've seen them a few times, and they're they're great. They're coming back here to Prague in November.
[00:12:21] Unknown:
Nice. Looking forward to seeing Are they doing that? So I just saw them in in Philadelphia a couple maybe three or four weeks ago. And they I hate to say this, and I think I told, you know, fundamentals.
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The story. With the Met?
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They got co opted. It was at the man.
[00:12:38] Unknown:
The Man. And
[00:12:40] Unknown:
so it's, you know, big it's a big big deal. It's a big venue for them. And but they got co opted by some this is my takeaway anyway. They did a joint partnership with a of a local composer or I don't know if she's Australian or American. And they did basically, did they she wrote some really kind of average to below average pop music that they had an orchestra behind them. So that was the that was kind of the selling point that it was it was Gizzard with with an orchestra behind them. Uh-huh. And the first forty five minutes of the show was basically them playing her music with the orchestra. Waiting with giant inflatable alligators ready to go wild. We were yeah. Ready to go wild. And it was, it was underwhelming. Let me just put it that way. But I felt like they got duped because it was the first it it was the first performance with this. It was the first performance of this particular tour.
[00:13:37] Unknown:
Like, I never seen a band like Gizzard before. Like, I've seen bunch of bunch of shows, but I went to Gizzard here in Prague for the first time. My slow lock friend. Like, I had never heard of them. He knew I liked music. We're always talking about it, and he was like, hey. You you should come. I was like, buy the tickets. I'll go. Never heard of them. And we showed up, and, they opened the show and, like, just the place went wild. And it was like, hold I was like, this is a band. Like, yes. And then at some point, I went to the bathroom, and there's just like a a queue, a line of, like, 50 dudes with their shirts off waiting to get to the sink to splash water on themselves because they had, like, been mosh pitting and, like, beat to shit and, like, had so much fun. And, you know, I I almost broke my neck a couple years ago, like, at a concert. Someone jumped off the stage, and I wasn't looking, and they landed on me.
But, like, I stay in the back for that shit. But, again, it was crazy. And then the second time I saw them, it was at an even bigger venue, and it was I mean, the place was going wild, and, like, they're amazing band. And Yeah. Really? Scene is still there. It's like you can see people's tour like, touring, following them all over Europe and stuff. And I think that that's, like, the the most equivalent band to come out of, like, not America that captures the same, like, spirit as Yep. Some of the bands that we grew up listening to What's now going on? They have a they have a full fledged scene. The only thing that they don't really have is the taping and, like,
[00:15:07] Unknown:
that kind of stuff. So Yeah. So the live shows don't exact they
[00:15:11] Unknown:
They do. They're on Nuggs. They they definitely don't know them all. Okay. Yeah. So then they don't know them all. Yeah. Okay. Not every one of them. They have like, Billy Strings, the best Billy Strings show I ever saw is not on Nuggs, and I cannot figure out why.
[00:15:26] Unknown:
Maybe he just show is that?
[00:15:28] Unknown:
Maybe he just Hamburg. Saving it. Hamburg. Saving it or something. Yeah. It was awesome. They have the greatest it's the best band name I think that I've ever heard. Well, what's funny is before Right? Yeah. Before I went to their first You remember one word at least. Yeah. King gets away. Lizard Wizard. It doesn't get better than that. It just does not like, you can't have a better band name than that. Well, before I went to the album artwork as well.
[00:15:52] Unknown:
Cool. Yeah. I'm sorry. And I think, you know, it's alright. And I think wean's a great a great, like, analogy in the sense that, like, they're all over the map. They kinda have a jam, like, very loose feel, but they're not they're not, you know, it's not improvisation. Like, you know, like, we know it. Lovely. Did you know about Ween and Umfries'
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collaboration?
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Mm-mm.
[00:16:15] Unknown:
It was called God boner. This is serious. This is well, it's not serious, but it's it's actually true. They decided to, I think for summer camp do you know do you know what the summer camp festival is? Yeah. Yeah. That's like the big one in Chicago. So, like, Humphrey's heads headlines it. And, It's like Moe and and Biscuits played, I think, last year even. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure I'm right on this, on that it's with summer camp. It might've been locked in or maybe one of these. It was one of these festivals that Ween and Humphreys got together, called under the name God Boner, and did a full show.
[00:16:51] Unknown:
Wow. I did Ween rules. Both their shows. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you remember when Bitcoin was going up to a 100 k, like, making its first big run up, like, earlier in the year, With some buddies of mine, you know, there was, like, the Twitter, one hundred k party that was playing, like, shitty music, and it was it got sponsored by, like, shitcoin exchanges and stuff. So, like, together with my friends, we started, a website, called 1btc1.com. I think it's still live. But, like, you use the Node Runners jukebox where you could pay 21 sats and play whatever song you wanted. And so then we were, like, hosting it on Twitter and, like, you know, running up ours, and we just had, like, a little fun. Like, we were all stuck at home, you know, not traveling or doing anything during that period. We were all friends, just having fun online.
So it was, like, really funny because people were playing, like, you know, they were trying to troll us a bit, you know, which is funny, and they were playing, like, Tom Jones' What's New Pussycat, and so we just, like, embraced it. Like, it was hilarious, and so we then we started playing it. But my buddy, I put on a ween song, and I put on on cover it with gas and set it on fire, and he's, like, lives in the lives in The UK. He's probably gonna hate me for telling this, but, like, he lives in The UK, and he he was like, I can't host it anymore. Like, I don't wanna be associated with it because the Ween song had a line about gang rape.
Oh, yeah. And it was like It's kinda normal for it's standard for Ween. Yeah. But I you know, I grew up not it's a song. You know, Nirvana has songs about it. Yeah. And so it was like, for me, nothing. I was like, what are you it's Wayne. Like, it's a it's a joke. All of their music is absolutely a joke and has humor in it, and it means absolutely nothing. You know? So but it was really funny, but he he we we, you know, said it, but he was in Prague recently for the conference, and I was playing that song again just to mess with him. But, yeah, ween is not everybody's,
[00:18:51] Unknown:
cup of tea. We told a story. I love them. We told them. I agree. I think I told the story here, but we'll repeat it here. You I think Grafton, do you aware that wean hates fish? No. They fucking despise fish, and they have good reason to do so. They do. It's unfortunate and sad, but Phish covered one of covered they just they did such a good cover of one of their songs called roses are free. They did such a Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Phish did such a legendary, like, such a legendary cover of it and and, like, peaked in 1998 at, in Nassau Coliseum, just absolutely peaked. And it's one of those, covers that really sounds like Phish.
And it sounds Phish made it so their own, but then Phish fans were going to Ween shows, like, demanding they play it.
[00:19:41] Unknown:
And Ween just, like, just decided they fucking hate Fish. I mean, I don't know who the fuck these people. Yeah. Wook started showing up at ween shows, and and they were like, what the fuck is going on? And Yeah. Where's Rose? They play because roses are free, and they were like, fuck fish. You hear them in some recordings. It's great. They're like, who who fuck fish. It's just it's brilliant.
[00:20:02] Unknown:
It's funny because, like, Diener, you know, he's friends with, like, Claypool and all those guys, and you I've seen, like, so much stuff they've done together. There's, like, a episode where they go fishing or something. It's like Claypool and and and Dean are just playing guitar and bass out on the middle of a bass fishing boat and stuff. Wow. But, I mean, he's he's amazing.
[00:20:23] Unknown:
Yeah. I think Because we did a whole episode. Easy to find. We did a whole episode with Les Claypool's connection to Trey and Fish and everything like that. And that that was that's clear. And so but a lot of these guys are friends with each other, and they still like, I could see I could see Wayne hanging out with Trey and enjoying going fishing with him, unironically.
[00:20:44] Unknown:
And yet he Billy String's wedding, there was, like, Bob Weir, Trey, and, like, everybody was there. They were like, what the hell? Yeah. They're like anointing some sort of, you know, sun into
[00:20:55] Unknown:
the world of, you know, jam bands, I guess. Hey. Okay. So here's an interesting thing we can discuss. It's recent. It's current event. Okay. And I wanted to talk about this on a prior episode, so let's do that now. Goose. Uh-huh. No. Fuck Goose. Thank thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. This is, John Mayer. We talked a little bit about John Mayer before, but, like, It's not Goose. It's worse than Goose. John Mayer well, John John John Mayer was, you know, Trey had sat in, I guess, on the, Trey was out in San Francisco. I saw the pictures from that recently. They did. I think they did Scarlet Fire and but John Mayer called it, like, one of the greatest moments of his career.
[00:21:38] Unknown:
I didn't know this.
[00:21:40] Unknown:
Prior to this, there was definitely well, there was an Internet created beef between John Mayer and Trey. Because, Trey, in an interview, basically said something about he was talking about John Mayer, and you know Trey how nice fucking Trey is and how much he loves to please people. He doesn't, like, say bad things about people, but he said, literally, he said something I mean, I've seen bittersweet motel. Well, that was yeah. Well, but he said something to the effect. He said just something like just because you play with, like, just because you play with the beat like, you play with, Paul McCartney doesn't make you a Beatle. Something to that effect. I forgot the exact quote. And he would really he was clearly talking about John Mayer playing with the Grateful Dead. Right? And that sounds really insulting.
But and the Internet turned it into a giant beef, but I'm guessing these two guys couldn't give a shit. And John Mayer said it was one of the greatest moments of his fucking life, that playing with Trey. The point. Yeah. Yeah. Couldn't believe it. Yeah. Then, you know, like, if you think you know, look at the people that he's played with. He's played with a larger catalog of people than Trey has.
[00:22:46] Unknown:
Mayer. Yeah. Sure. I mean, my my issue my well, my not issue. I don't have any anything with John Mayer because I just don't know anything other than what, like, his John Mayer music is because when he plays with the dead, like, I don't ever go and listen to, like, dead shows. If I'm gonna listen to the dead, I listen to, you know, I listen to Jerry. And so it's the same with, like, Panic. I don't listen to Jimmy Haring. I listen to Howser Panic exclusively now, you know? Yeah. Even if I go see a Panic show, I still barely would I go back and listen to it. I mean, some of the good ones that I saw, you know, New Year's shows and, you know, there are some good ones, but, like, I default I default to Howser Panic every time. And the same goes with The Dead. So, like, I'm sure John Mayer is good. I've seen some videos on the Internet, you know, where he's playing, you know, a little fraction of a song because that's the society we live in is you only get clips of things now.
[00:23:40] Unknown:
And I think that He's a true star player. He's, like, truly a guy. Story. Yeah. I mean, he I would say if you can like, if you seek anything out online, look at him when playing with, his trio. That's probably really Yeah. That that trio band. I have a colleague
[00:23:57] Unknown:
Yeah. At Vexel. Dave, he's our developer, and, I mean, he's absolutely he loves John Mayer. Like, and he's a very Dave is an amazing talented singer and, you know, guitar player and keyboardist and everything, and, like, he loves John Mayer. And I I we drove, like, to Innsbruck from Prague, which is like eight hours or something, with Dave, and we're both talkative, you know, highly functioning, individuals. And in the car, we're just, like, swapping music back and forth, you know, so I'm, like, exposing him to the biscuits, you know, stuff like, what do you think of this? You know? And he's doing the same for me, and I I had to look at it from a different perspective because, you know, I grew up where we were, like, pop music.
You know? Like, I I listen to real shit, and, you know, from him, he's, like, a very talented musician and all this, and so it was really interesting to hear some of the stuff he showed me. I'm like, yeah.
[00:24:52] Unknown:
John Mayer is hella talented. He's a bit He also listens to a lot of Jacob Collier, I think, as well. Yeah. I never heard of I have a friend. I just had this realization about John Mayer, like like, sort of parallel be proud of me. Kinda parallel Bitcoin where, like, you know, he got into the public eye in a certain way, but he's not who he's not definitely what, like, people think he is. And when you dig in and you kick the tires, it's like he's actually the real deal.
[00:25:19] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's a he's a guy who writes love songs with a smooth little voice. Exactly. It's like Jack Johnson. A hell of guitar player. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Jack Johnson. I would say John Mayer is probably a better guitar player than Jack Johnson. No. I'm just saying they both pandered. They both pan they both pandered to the the
[00:25:35] Unknown:
the female the female gender knowing that if the chicks love the song, the guys will come. John Mayer went the Billboard route and MTV route, whereas Jack Johnson hit the festival circuit and worked his way up through That's a good point. Pop star in Hollywood. No. That is a good point. That is a good point. But he was a surfer he was a surfer movie guy before it performed music. But
[00:25:56] Unknown:
Alright. Fuck John Mayer now.
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Okay. John Mayer did Chappelle Show back in the day, which is That's right. That was funny. That's right. That's funny. He know well, so he was actually I was so you know, guys, I did stand up, and I was part of the stand up scene a little bit. It was open mic scene. And I remember distinctly that John Mayer was he was trying to be a comedian. I mean, dude, this dude has to be absolutely psychotic. Right? There's a couple of, like, really prominent, well known people who try were trying to be comedians who, like, were doing open mics. Blake Griffin was one of these guys, Mhmm. Who's an NBA player. Yeah. You know, John Mayer, Blake Griffin. They were, like, these really strange celebrities that wanted to do comedy. The fact that Dave Chappelle recognized him and put him on an episode is, I don't know. Pretty interesting.
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Yeah. I mean, Dave Chappelle, like, always put had music on.
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That is true. He had good music. He always yeah. Yeah. This was part of a sketch. This wasn't, like, part of, like, introducing anyone to his music. You know? Yep. This was like a People knew who John Mayer was when he was on The Chappelle Show, I would say.
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Yeah. I would say so. But, I mean, John Mayer could have gone the route of, like, he was a judge on The Voice or something as well. You know? Like Yes. Yeah. He could've He was set up for something like that, and he took a you know, he he smoked a joint and listened to Althea, and the next the rest was history. I think that's the story that we're fed. Right? Oh my god. Well, that's where, like, Trey and him must have connect you know, if they can connect, they're both, you know, recovering addicts.
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And, I'm sure that's a big piece of their, if there is any, like, you know, kinship there I think to overcome that feud.
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The thing that woke me up to, like, fuck. I can't I'm still talking about John Mayer. What's the time stamp here? Fuck. I have to say this one thing, though, is that the thing and I might have said this on our earlier episode. The thing that woke me up to John Mayer with that, like, of being, like, as ridiculously good as he is was I caught a YouTube video of him doing wait till tomorrow, which, I don't know if you guys are familiar to have a deep cut on, I think, bold is love.
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Okay. Hendrix?
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Yes. Hendrix. It's a very Hendrix deep cut. And he I I just he just, like, absolutely shredded it. I couldn't believe what I was watching. You're watching this guy, you know, with these that fucking hair and fucking face. You know? And he's, like, just absolutely shredding this. I've never seen really anybody take a shot at that song to be and there he is. Like, this is the thing. And I don't know. I was really it's sort of blown away. I was like, is it possible that this guy is, like, really? That was your, like, awakening towards, like, wait. There's there could be another non pop side of of this guy. Yeah. That was, like, well, at very least, that there's something very special under the hood even if he is some pop douchebag.
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Exactly. But Prince, like, cut that was literally, the words coming out of my mouth were Prince. Like, Prince is somebody who, you know, you have no idea what he's hiding under his blouses.
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Another 12. Dave Chappelle. Another Dave Chappelle recognized. Very good.
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Motherfucking making those pancakes.
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Yeah. But, like, you know what I mean? Like, there's there's, like, a Prince video. I think it's on YouTube. It's like, well, they do wow my guitar gently Oh, yeah. And, like, everybody's, like, you know, trying to cool it down, and Prince is, like, fuck y'all. Yeah. And then it goes wild, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just absolutely goes wild. And I played the best Super Bowl halftime show ever with Prince. True. 10/3194,
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Trey, looking like he was half out of bed wearing, a sweatshirt whose neck has been stretched out so far. That version of why my guitar gently weeps is like one of the career peaks of Trey, and I we should put that in the show notes. Got it. Ten thirty one ninety four is a very special show. It start it was the Listen. That was like, I've talked about this concept graph. This is like a big connection whereas, like, you know, Satoshi put the white paper out on 10/3190 10/31/2008. Fish started their Halloween tradition on 10/3194 with a white album.
And, you know, these are the these are these little breadcrumbs I like to pick up and say, okay. That's interesting. They both like Halloween. They both and white things. But and to start you know, they both started major something major on Halloween.
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For for me, like, you know, I I grew up around fish. I was exposed to fish very early, especially the the album. I think it's Hoist, I think. Mhmm. Yep. Which is amazing album. '94. Pretty much every song on there is still what you want to hear when you go see a fish show for me. Like, but, you know, my my brother went to Big Cypress in '99. So, you know, my brother was exposing me to music when I was a kid, but then
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Jason hates the first song on Hoist. Sorry. On record, Jason hates it. First song, Julius. Oh, what is yeah. Okay. Yeah. Julius.
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I've been I I haven't listened to Phish. Like, I I do I know pretty much all of Phish po or pre hiatus, which was like, what year was Phish hiatus? It's what we call 01/2000.
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It's like pre basically, pre February.
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But
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I That's the first hiatus.
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Panic is the first band that, like, I ever really started stacking notches on the belt, you know, of seeing and putting putting behind. And then, you know, in between, you see shows like Soundtribe or Disco Biscuits or Yonder Mountain or these kind of bands. And, but Phish, I'm I was from the South. I'm from Mississippi, man. So they never really came around. That is true. Very often.
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Not at that era. Rather spend my money than go see Panic.
[00:31:43] Unknown:
You could have gone to the Roxy in '93 and saw that legendary run. Well, I think I'm young. So I'm a little bit younger than you guys, I think, maybe. I mean, I'm 38 this year. So right there, you're the average Bitcoiner. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I found out today that the average age of video gamers is 36, which is, like, really, it dated me fairly easily.
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Hey. I got a lot of friends who are into panic, who are in the Bitcoin scene. I got and so Really? Do do me a favor. Like, sell or, like, make the case to to our wide, vast audience, about panic. And to me, like, I'll go and resubscribe to nugs NugsNet and start going into the rabbit hole. I mean Yeah. I'm already sold to it. Panic.
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Like, Panic is another great band. Songs that make you, like, feel shit. You know, like, every Panic song is written with, like, you know, it's a hot summer day or a cool summer night. And it has that lyrical stuff that you know you enjoy myself doesn't or you know there I'm not saying there's not fish songs without heart or anything in them but it almost seems like a lot of Panic songs are written with, you know, Driving Song is is a beautiful song. And, you know, Ain't Life Grand is, like, you know, the popular Panic song, but it's also, like, behind it. And so you look at the bands also that Panic covers, You know, Blood Kin, you know, they're coming out of this Athens, Georgia music scene, and I think it was always just the the music that, you know, still when I play guitar today, like, Panic is the one that I I feel the most when I sing it, you know.
So for me, that was like you you chase that, you know, you never know what JB's gonna say when he's singing Hatfield is, you know, I know Charlie's mama was a good big old German lady, but like she gave him beer, but did she ever give him anything else? Like I want to find out, and I'm on the edge of my seat for like the wraps that JB's you know little walking over it and stuff. So you know and there's those moments, but once Hauser died, you know, I I seen tons of George Panics, all tons of Jimmy Panics, but the music that that really exposed me to to everything that is that is good was Panic, you know, and that was following down the rabbit hole of their influences as well. But, you know, I I think, I've never grown tired of Panic. I've grown tired of Jimmy Panic, but Howser Panic, like, go back and listen to any of the multitrack releases. I mean, they're they're apps go Carbondale, like, just the first line when JB comes out and says, good evening, Carbondale.
You can feel the the energy in the tent, like, the the that moment there. You know? It was like there's some shows like Oak Mountain 2002 when Hauser was sick, and everybody knew it where, you know, they're playing don't be denied, and the energy from the crowd is like, you don't get crowds like that today. You know? Is you don't see it. I I haven't been to Fishfoot, so I can't compare it, but, like, the crowds in the nineties and early two thousands and that kind of stuff seeing it, there was something different than than I think that there is that exists today. And when I go see Billy shows or disco biscuit shows or something like that, you know, there is that there is still a little bit there, but nothing like, you know, there was and Hauser was around.
And I think for me, that's what Panic is. It's not the shows that are going on and out. Yeah. They're a good band, but Yeah. I always make the comparison. It's like, they they can keep playing, but eventually, they're gonna wind up playing the Silver Star Casino on a Thursday night. And, I mean, that's not a bad thing. Good. But, like, at the same time, I'm I'm not gonna go see them anymore. But right now, the biscuits, like, those dudes are on fire. Like, absolutely.
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I went to the biscuits Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanna say that in the nineties, when I so, like, when I went to fish shows in the early to mid nineties, the band that, like, when you go to a show and you meet people and you're like, what music do you listen to, people always talked about Panic. That was, like, that was probably the band that you know, there was, like, Dave Matthews Band was a big one too, I think, at the time. But, like, you know, these are the bands that people talked about, like, this is this is who I go see. Right? Yeah. There's like, Panic was a big you know? They were they were big and established and had a big sound. Like, they had a stadium sound.
But, you know, I remember listening to tapes back in the back back in that time. Yeah. And and then in the February, it became Umfries was the show. It was the band people were talking about at shows. And now I think it's other bands. Yeah. The other bands. Now it's a smattering. I think Billy Strings and things like that. Yeah. Billy's getting a lot of love for sure.
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The g defy, the goose band. I Yeah. Goose is a silly beast. Yeah. I wanna stay on panic for a second just because, you know, through fundamentals and and our our podcast, this podcast, I've never really talked about widespread panic, and they were a huge influence on me. I like, they predate my my interest in widespread panic predates my interest in fish. And, you know, I went when I went to school, you know, came from New Jersey, went to school in South Carolina, and I met some obviously new friends. I didn't know a soul when I went there. Like, not one other person on campus. I didn't know anyone. Like, usually somebody knows, like, somebody, like, I have connection, like a friend of a friend. I knew nobody.
And some of the first people I became friends with, my friend Kevin, who will probably never listen to this, but he might he's a big fish guy, turned me on to the album, every day, which was my first exposure to to watch. Everybody.
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Yeah. And it's
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I mean, I still that that that album still has a and I think, you know, we were talking about, like, you know, Steely Dan, like, composed or, like, there are certain bands that that maybe are really good on records, but aren't great live. Widespread is that like, you were talking about, like, their songwriting and that the actual like, there's actually something there's substance there in the lyrics and the feel of the songs they write, especially on that album in particular. Like Oh, yeah. Like, you know, every day is Like,
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really, please, Hatfield, Wandering, like Yep. Dream Song, that whole album. Dream Song. Yeah. Every song on there is amazing. And, you know, if you put that album on and just listen to the whole thing, you come out a fan. Yeah. And then when you're ready to go to the next step, you light fuse and get away. Yep. Yep. A 100 and and and that was my process. It was from, yeah, from everyday to light fuse.
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And then maybe, what was after that? Until the Medicine Takes was a great album. Oh, yeah. It came soon after that. But I would say every day thousand sounds. Yeah. And and, you know, Mikey was still there, so it was still panic. But I would say every day is like the hoist. Like, you mentioned Fish's hoist. That's why I wanted to bring this up. Like, that's there. You just hit play. The entire album's fantastic.
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Down with disease is on hoist. Right? Yes.
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Yeah. Disease, you got sample in a jar. You got if I could. You got all these, like, kind of, you know That's that's like,
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the last time I saw fish was at Austin City Limits in, like, 2010 or something. I can't remember. I remember that. Yeah. And I vaguely remember that that happened. Yeah. They opened with that one disease, and, I mean, we were we were really close-up, and that that baseline coming in was awesome for sure. But, like That was the getting you know? That was the down with disease was
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the, like, thing at my first show. My first show was, New Year's of ninety three, and that was, like, their first big New Year's gag, quote, unquote, where they put a lot of production into. They made a giant fish tank, and I think they were previewing the video that beeps by destroy and make fun of. Talk about how much it sucks.
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But, Fish is a hard sell for most people, but so is most you know, so is Umfries. You know? And and I think it's Panic is you know, I can classify them as a southern rock band. I mean, I dated a girl here in the Czech Republic, and, you know, she it was when I first kinda moved over here. I was still in massive panicking. You know? I was still flying over to see New Year's shows and stuff. And, I she was like, what kind of music are you into? And she's check girl, and I gave her every day. And, you know, she she came out of it with, you know, like, she loved it. And that was the thing. And then when we went to America, she I took her to America. We went to see Panic in Memphis or, like, South Haven, Mississippi, and it was a 100 degrees outside and, like, summer in Mississippi. And panic was just, like, on ripper, you know, like, heavy. And she was like, what the hell is this? And I think that was, like, what also eventually led to us breaking up because she was like, I didn't expect.
Are you serious? I wasn't expecting that, but, no, not really. Just the whole trip. It was kinda like, you you know, before you marry somebody, you should travel the world with them. Yeah. But, like bullet, sir. I took her to a panic show and I saw her reaction. I was like, no. No. I don't think I can take it out yet.
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Do you guys ever see do you ever see the show Freaks and Geeks?
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A couple episodes. Like a classic
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classic show, and it's only went one season. And, like, the main character is this nerdy kid, and he, like, pines over this cheerleader girl. And he finally, like, get part of the arc as he asks her out and all this stuff. And then they go see the movie The Jerk, and she sits there and doesn't laugh once. And he's just like, this fucking suck and you're fucking
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nobody. Yeah. You're so I live in I live in Europe, and nobody has ever seen a jerk. And I make the reference, like, at least every time I go anywhere, like, I'm constantly making jerk references because, you know, like, whenever I I like, I told you this. I was in the back of a taxi with Adam Back and and Peter Todd, and I was like, I don't know how the hell I got here. I was born a poor black child in Mississippi. And both of them were like, what? And, you know, it's like the I constantly am am making jerk references, but nobody gets it. But that, I think, is one of the movies that also defined my humor. But, like, I saw Steve Martin's band, and, like, Steve Martin kicks ass. Dude.
Oh my god. The book is amazing, and his band rules.
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Like, who how does where does a fucking guy like that come? He's like an alien. You know? Like another one. Like John Mayer. Like, what? He fucking does that?
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Right? Allowed to be able to be good at those two things, playing banjo and
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He's insane on the banjo. But, you know, I had a roommate here in Prague, and, you know, she was like a older lady, and she I used to play, like, ukulele in my room late at night, and she wanted to play an instrument. And, she bought a banjo and learned to play banjo, like What? At 45 or something. And now she's, like, in a band and plays in Prague, like, live everywhere all the time. I think they're called Rodeo Queen. And, like, I was at the Billy Show and Freak. This person's a freak. Berlin, and I spoke we run into her there. I was like, hell yeah. You know? Like,
[00:43:51] Unknown:
I haven't seen her in a long time. Anybody who really could get good at the banjo is a freak. I say this because, like, I played guitar since I'm 10 years old, and I've tried many times to get the banjo, and I just cannot it's like the drums too. Like, I can't for some reason like, I can play guitar. You know? I play drums in a little bit. You know? But, like, I cannot get I cannot make sense out of drums, and I can't make sense off a banjo, and I've tried. Like, I love the banjo. I've tried, and it just never ever it doesn't work in my brain. And so I anytime I see somebody who's good at it, I feel like they're just freak legends. Yeah. It's so impressive to me. Yeah. It's a cool instrument.
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I can't play the guitar. Everybody kinda respects. You know? Like, even if you don't like that kind of music and you hear and you see it and you hear one, you're like, hell yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it's like Czech Czech living in Czech Republic is really interesting because, I've been here so long that I'm kind of like an adopted Czech person, but at the same time, I am exposed to constant, like, you know, I I see what they see, but in a different way. And I have a a really good buddy, and it's just like we have the exact same sense of humor, but for completely different reasons and growing up, you know, in the same things. And, like, he's he's deep techno guy. Grew up, you know, scene scene kid, I guess, which is, like, it's weird to call us scene kids, but that's exactly what we were. We were just following, you know, going to show to show, selling stuff out of our car and, you know, trading tapes and stuff with each other. And, you know, we both work in Bitcoin and, like, it's really interesting to see how we all, like, wind up in these paths. And it's, like, you know, you guys how did you know, you found Bitcoin. Right? And it's part of your your journey to get here.
And, you know, when I look at that, and that's exactly where okay. I don't go to shows anymore, but I go to a lot of events. I go to a lot of meetups. You know, I'm in different cities all over Europe, you know, going to meetups that sometimes it's, like, six to eight people there, and they're just chatting about Bitcoin just in the same way that you and I can chat music all night long. And I think that that peer to peer nature of, like, sharing in the the experience is something that we all crave no matter where you're from or what country, and it's like the I think that that's why we all wound up kinda as Bitcoiners because we understand what's valuable in those kind of relationships.
And I think that, you know, peer to peer electronic cash, and I look at America, and it's a very different type of scene when it relates to Bitcoin. You know? It's like, my dad will ask me, like, who's a good person to follow about Bitcoin news? And I'm like, well, you know, you're in your seventies, so you want someone who's wearing a suit. And, you know, I I don't. I want a guy who's selling Bitcoin keychains out of his backpack at a a meetup or a conference or, you know, selling beef jerky, to his community. And I think that that's, like, where we apply the stuff that we learned as we grew up in this weird peer to peer economy that we were so used to. Wow. Incidentally,
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I I'm gonna be wearing a suit. By the way, I have news. The news is I I finally broke through the conference, conference barrier, and I'm gonna be on two panels at the Canadian Bitcoin conference.
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Nice.
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I might be there, actually. Oh, dude. Oh, yes. Business cat's gonna be there. Boomer, obviously. We're gonna make it an event. Len and Joey will be there. Be there as well.
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Alright. We have a, like, a guy who lives in Vancouver, and he'll be there presenting, I think, something for us as well. So I'm gonna be on one panel with Larry Leppard,
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and, I'm gonna be on another panel. I've I've actually forget the names, but, I'm really actually excited. I can't believe, how excited I am about this.
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That's great.
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Hopefully, get to, you know That's awesome. Make some hay with the book.
[00:47:42] Unknown:
Right. Congratulations.
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That's good stuff. Yeah. Thank you. And, you know, maybe your dad can find, you know, he can find, you know, I don't know, find a suit guy like myself at that time. And then, you know, one day I'm gonna wear a suit, and the other day I'm probably gonna wear my rock paper Bitcoin T shirt that I'm wearing right now. Yeah. You should wear that shirt both days.
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I would know I should wear it over my suit. You know? Really? There's no need to wear a suit to a Bitcoin conference.
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But, yeah, man. I think You're probably right.
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I like wearing suits sometimes. In Finland, the organizer of the conference was wearing a bathrobe for two days. So Finland's the other place that I'm actually planning. That's my I'm definitely going to Finland next year. I don't remember. Good shout out to Finland that because, I don't know if this my audience here, our audience, our wonderful audience here knows that, my book is in the process of being translated into Finnish, and they're they're gonna buy the rights to it and, to sell it in a sell a Finnish version. And so, like, for me They can read it in a soul, no? They're they're literally, like I've I've sold, like, 70 copies over Amazon, like, not very many. But, like Oh, yeah, dude. But, like, the fact that Finland has come to say we like this book, like, I automatically like Finland. I mean, how could I not? Right? And now I'm like good country.
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The people are really great. They are you know, it's like a mixture of Swedish chef from the Muppets and or from yeah. And, like, just happy individuals. I I really like the Finnish people.
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I hope to get to know them. Yeah. I hope to get to hope to spend some time up there, honestly. And it's like a, gonna be like the David Hasselhoff of Finland.
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Well, Luke Luke lives there. Hope. He loves it. Does he? And I think that was, like, he was so proud to show us all Helsinki where he lives. I mean, I mean, we Oh, Luke Luke DeWolf.
[00:49:35] Unknown:
Luke DeWolf. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you meant Luke De Ash for a second. No. He lives in the back in the, like, Everglades with his 12 kids in the house trailer or something, I think. He literally lives in the he he lives where Big Cypress, I guess, then takes place. So he sees maybe cross paths with the energy.
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Yeah. Yeah. Maybe some of his yeah.
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The Finns are famous because they, a lot of you know, very few people know the reason why there's so many good race car drivers that come out of Finland is part of their driving test is, out in the snow, and they have to know how to do, like, certain, like, j turns and Mississippi. Yeah. I'm just But, like,
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some of in Prague. We get, like, a week of snow a year. I have to deal with it, and I hate it.
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Yeah. But, the Finns are funny. I've just gotten to know that, like, those those, you know, race car driver personalities are always legendary. Like like, everyone knows who Kimi Raikkonen is and Mika Hakkinen and all those all those guys with similar sounding names.
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Timo Soleani. This is like, there's an NHL ninety four connection to Canada and Len Len the legend. Shout out. We might try to do a NHL ninety four little tournament. If we're up there, I'll bring my Sega Genesis console and, try to get try to get a little video game hockey tournament going. That's cool. Still have a a working Sega Genesis? I bought I bought it, like, two Uh-huh. When I when I met Len, I bought the console. Then I was like, I'm gonna beat your ass in hockey one day.
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But yeah. So gamers gamers, I read today, 36 is that age. Yeah. We were
[00:51:18] Unknown:
yeah. Yeah. It's Big gamers, man. Something that's occurring to me, I guess, that I'll just just to bring to the theme of what we like to talk about here. You know, I when I got into Bitcoin, which was not that long ago, it felt a lot like 1994 to me. It, like, felt like all the tools I was using. You know, like, back then, it was, like, text browsers and, you know, IRC and bulletin boards and you know? Like, it just felt a lot the way I felt in 1994. Yeah. The thing that's different that I think is so fucking awesome is how, it's the whole world. Like, in 1984, I still even with the Internet, I still really only was talking to people in The US for the you know? It was amazing to talk on IRC to people that were, you know, you know, not in Philadelphia or whatever. Right? But, like I mean is worldwide.
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It's cool. That's the the weirdest thing is one of, like, my oldest friends, really, I met him on, Xbox playing Halo, and we were friends for, like, seven or eight years, and then, we knew each other. And then he was in, like, culinary school out in San Francisco. And so I was like, yo. Do you wanna go because we chatted. We were he liked to sing music, all this kind of stuff. And, I was like, yo. Panic is playing at the Greek Theater three nights. You wanna go? I'll fly out there. And so he picked me up from the airport wearing, like that was my first time in California. I was, like, probably 17 or something. Wow.
And, you know, he picked me up, and he's wearing, like, his culinary outfit. Or no. I was maybe 18. Yeah. Looking like street shit. Was like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, I just left a wine tasting class, so I'm a little bit tipsy. And, you know, we get on the, like, freeway, and it's, like, double decker, you know, bridges and all this kind of shit. But we went and saw Panic at the Greek Theater for, like, three nights, and, you know, we've we've kept in touch even now. We chat, you know, every now and then, but, you know, he's a Bitcoiner. I've stayed at his place, and he lives in New York City. He's, like, a a chef now for one of the big, like, I think, like, the food delivery things, like, the things where they send you all the ingredients and you, like, put them together and cook it yourself. Yeah. Like the fresh delivery stuff. Look. They had a lot of posse sponsor, like, a lot of they sponsor a lot of He designs, like, all of the the presentations for that. But, I mean, that's the you know, my first and I went to boarding school, and so I met people from all over the world, you know, very young. And in boarding school, like, I ran, you know, a CD burning empire out of my bedroom or my dorm room where, you know, I'm, like, getting in trouble with the IT department at the school, like, almost expelled because I ran, like, a HTTP tunnel, and I was, like, downloading movies and, you know, music and everything through the the tunnel, you know, through the VPN or the, like, the big firewall that they had.
And, you know, I always was into the technology, you know, trying to figure out how to do computers, and that was also, you know, with the music industry, and what I was following into that, you know, it was a different scene, so we were sharing files through computers, you know, as soon as we could because somebody went to a show and they taped it. I want that tape, and I I don't wanna have to go to you and get it. So we gotta figure that out. And so that's how we kind of, you know Yeah. Eitri. Like, BitTorrent was amazing. It was fucking amazing for for downloading shows and not having to beg a taper for it. It was, like, really frustrating. Podcast in, like, 02/2005.
It was called the Panic Attack Wow. Because I was a radio DJ on my local hometown state. I have never told this on a podcast before.
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I was a Do do do do do. Radio DJ
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for WZKR one zero three three Meridian's hometown station, The Art of Great Music. He's still good. And it was like a classic rock radio station, but every Friday night, I had a show on the radio for for two hour block where I played nothing but live Widespread Panic. That's great. Nothing. And I recorded it all, and it was back in the early days of, like, I had, you know, the mixer shit in my bedroom, you know, like, mixing tracks and, you know, building out my favorite, you know, creating my own versions of shows that I loved, you know. And the radio signal reached, like, Birmingham or, Tuscaloosa, Alabama. So, you know, it was like the University of Alabama.
So I would, you know, I was huge into that and, you know, figuring out how to tape the shows and share them and get that out and all that kind of stuff because that was what we did. We built empires of our badass music, you know, like Exactly. Because we wanted to have it. So, like, you know, the computer allowed me to organize every single show that I had ever been to and, you know, keep track of everything. I think that without that, like, that's the best tool that we've ever had. You know? IPods managing my iPod once that came out was amazing.
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People don't understand, like, what you had to do before they the iPod is probably the most, like in terms of, like, what you would call force projection or what you know, how like, turn like, you know, the thing that no one could conceive. Like, I used to dude, I lived in New York, and I I went to a party at a guy's house who had an actual jukebox. And I was, like, the main, like, it was the main attraction of this party was he had his actual jukebox in his house. And it was cool. Right? And it was a bowling alley as well. Real fucking jukebox. Yeah. And, dude, like, for the Cotton candy can't even put that. This thing was huge. This thing took up an entire Darts.
Dude, like, New York apartments are not big. They're all very small. And this jukebox took up, like, probably, like, 8% of the entire apartment was taken up by this jukebox. I mean, the iPod was on the great neighbors. Speaking of radio shows, just I gotta shout out, shout out my bud, Richard Greaser. Monday nights, he does a radio show, and it's actually it's good, and he's, like, really showcasing his ability. A music show, you mean? Like a like a It's a music show. Yeah. Music show. Like Yeah. His ability to sit there as one guy doing his own show, and it's impressive, and it's good.
I think it's it's on zap.stream. So everybody check it out on Monday nights.
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I when I when I did that, I was 17 years old. I had the keys to an old house in the city center of, like, my old tiny or, like, not tiny, but Old City, Mississippi at seventeen on a Friday night and the owners of the station were old heads like you know they were called the most hair on the air because they all had like ponytails and long hair and stuff and they were in bed like they they never listened to the show, and they just trusted me unconditionally. So, I mean, like, every Friday night, I would have my friends down to the station, and we would, like, you know, we were, like, smoking weed and talking on the radio. And, I mean, that was just, like, where do you get that? Like, where do you have that opportunity?
And I can't believe that I did that. Like, I cannot believe that I did that. Do you have any footage? Man, I wish I could find my oh, I definitely at my parents' house, there's some old hard drives that have some dust on them somewhere that have everything,
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but I would have to spend some time digging. If you can ever find it, let me know. We will attach
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it back to this episode when Yes. When we get you know? Because Yeah. Oh my god. How cool would it be to listen to? I could find it. Yeah. I bet I can't imagine what I sounded like. But, I mean, I was a I was a big Panic fan. You know? So, like, I knew every line. You know? I had my little notebook that I took to every show that I wrote down every song. And, I mean, you know, all I needed to hear was a millisecond of a of a song to call it. Yep. Yeah. I was I get it. At that level.
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I am that way with Phish. I it's a bar trick. It's a bar trick. Like, I Mhmm. I impress the people in my section. Like, when they scream the song. And then they're trying to do it, but can you get it right? I can feel it. Like, I have this skill where I can almost feel it before they play the first note. And sometimes I do get it right, and people are like, holy shit. Oh my fucking god. You know? Fun to it really gets everybody excited in your section when you just call the song before they even play the note. Tell him, you gotta go see the biscuits, man. So okay. Let me say now let let me say I did I have seen the biscuits. Yes. So have I. Only but it's a such a long time ago. Yeah. I don't even know Long time ago. I don't even know how old you were, but in 1998 Yeah. It's a long time ago. I saw them in the wetlands opening I think I taped the show. I gotta dig in. I know I taped, the Omni Sea pod. Quality is great. I well, I plugged in good mics? It plugged well, I plugged into the sound booth at the wetland at the wetlands. Hell, yeah. Give me that. Dig that out. If If if I find I I know I taped the the Seapod Show I went to go see. If you ever heard of that band, the Omni Seapods, they had a little run. They were one of those bands in the late nineties that were really cool.
Anyway yeah. So the I mean, I I feel like I could I just picture this guy in, like, the mechanics uniform. Like, the the guitar player of the biscuits always impressed me. That guy, like, always impressed me. Was impressed. Barter Barter's a badass. I mean, he's he's he's had
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he had some phases where he was really, really terrible, and out of tune, as I said before, but, like Yeah. I mean, right now, they are on fire. I mean, they're absolutely crushing it. I went to Iceland in 2023. That was amazing, and then I've listened to, you know, every single show since then. I mean, anytime I'm in the car or if I'm going for a run, they're a great band to run to. That's for sure. We're a couple of singers.
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How were the Ardmore shows? I haven't checked them out. I assume you've listened to the whole great. Where they Oh, that happened. That was that was a that was a small room. Very small room. Yeah. Six nights. Yeah. So you can see why there's the room is so small that they were the last time I was there, they were very concerned that my mask was above my nose.
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Oh, yeah. That's right. You don't like the argument. Not forgiven them. I, honestly, haven't forgiven. I use you know? Well, they're out in Montana now at the Pine Creek, which looks amazing.
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I I had this pop personal policy that, like, like, any place that asked for some fax, information, I refused to show it. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. And so when I went to these places, there was always some You guys would've hated it here. It was always some friend that just found he'd like some friend that's like, oh, here's his card. And he, like, put pulled his phone up. That's how stupid this was. Yeah. He he faked those cards. No problem. And so I was like, alright. Fine. Whatever. We'll just get in the show, and I'm never I'm not gonna deal with this again. And then they're telling us, we're above the nose. I'm like, fuck this fucking place. I'll have more news out of here. Did I got told to put my mask up in the middle of a park by a police officer,
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like, 300 meters away. And, like, I was, like, walking my dog at, like, nine in the morning in the middle of nowhere. The guy was like
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It's like those clips from Australia.
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Put your mask up. Are you kidding me? You know, like, here, it was pretty bad, I would say. But Czech Republic had, like, I think the second most deaths per population in the world or something or maybe the first. I think it was, like, one of the worst places for it. But I mean, here, I remember we they were like, oh, yeah. We celebrated. We did well, and they built a An hour in? Should can I start digging into these deaths and start questioning them? Which ones? The report It's gonna factory. You could open that whole rabbit hole. No. But that's what I'm saying. It's like they they opened the the they were, like, celebrating the end of COVID, and they put, like, a party on the bridge, the Charles Bridge. They put, like, a big table across the whole distance, which is, like, a kilometer long and put a table over it. Been to Prague. Yeah. And invited, like, everybody to bring food down and celebrate the end of COVID. And then, like, the next week, like, the the numbers were the highest of all time, and I was like, this is a false flag. Like, you know, it was like Totally. You know, they they rounded us all together, and then now they convinced us that we're all sick. But, I you know, it was pretty bad. You had to have a a QR code to go into any sort of restaurant or anything like that. I mean, Philly is like travel here, but I mean that's it.
Everybody was faking it. But once the QR code thing kinda went out, it was really hard to fake that.
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Can I tell a Prague story real quick? I went to Prague in 1996. I could tell one story. I intentionally did not tell this on our phone call. But, in 1996, I was, kicked off of a bus in Prague for, whistling. And, it's this is more about how fucked up I and how autistic I must have been because I was Were you whistling? I this is the I was whistling night light my fire, and, like, I was literally, like, six minutes in. I was, like, six minutes in, like, well into the solo, well into it. And, like, finally, the guy had had enough. Fucking driver. He was in, like, a Oh, man. He had to get out of the bus to come into, like, the passenger section. Right? So, like, he gets out of his little driver door. He stops the bus, and he walks up to me and just goes, and then he points out the door. Just points.
And That's wild. Basically, that was that was checked for, hey, whistle boy. The fuck off my bus. I will stop this bus right now if you don't stop. I had no idea where I was. Bus over. I had no Internet. Ain't no whistling on this bus. No fuck. Dude, no Internet. No idea where the fuck I was, and no idea where they left me. Well,
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don't be whistling around these parts, man. For sure. I mean, it is There's a lot of worse songs you could have been whistling.
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Yeah. So, Grafton, so what do you know about the band Electron?
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Never heard of them. Wow. Okay.
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Because it's half Electron? It's it's half VSCO. It's Really? The drummer from Lotus and Tom Hamilton, if you know Tom Hamilton from J Rad.
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No. Who's from the biscuits?
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It's, it's the keyboard guy and Brownie. I always forget the keyboard guy's name. Wagner. But they play the I mean, I don't know. When did they are they playing, like, soon? I I think they only play Ardmore. I don't think they've ever toured, but they've, They're up to date on their vaccinations, clearly. They are up to date on their vaccinations. And, they mix in a little bit of, like, brothers past. I don't know if you know that.
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But check out Electron. You should check them out. Yeah. I'll check them out. I mean, the the tractor beam stuff is good. I was building a a playlist to go travel. You know, flying on an airplane is the only time now where I'm like, alright. I'm gonna be without Internet. I can't stream, so I have to build something. And, now you can just America, they have Wi Fi on all the planes, but not over here. But I found old, like, biscuits playing, like, perfume shows, which is, like, where they the venues had a policy where the same band couldn't play, like, so many nights in a row, so they would change their name. And so there was, like, Biscuits, and then there's Tractor Beam, and then they played shows as the perfume.
And they did, like, complete total, like, different versions or styles or genres of their songs.
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And What would be their motivation for a rule like that?
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I guess because they don't wanna be seen as, like, having a a house band or something. I don't know. But They don't wanna be like they don't wanna encourage That's the legend anyway. But that those perfume shows are hilarious. I think they just don't want Wooks to, like, fucking start
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moving in. In there. Right?
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Well, that was that was what was so crazy, though, as going to see Billy Strings is I took, two of my Czech and Slovak colleagues to Munich to go see Billy Strings, and they had never been to anything like that before. You know? So, like, we're going. We took the train over there. You know? We had a great time, and then we went to the show. And we, yeah, we had a anyway, standing outside the the show, I was so overjoyed and surprised to see Wooks everywhere and, like, people you know, there was, like, a little mini lot at the Billy Street show in Munich, and it was just, like, Americans for sure had just transplanted. I was like, yeah. Like, it's weird. And then when we were in the the stairs, it was, I guess, December. It was, like, my birthday and the first time I saw Billy Strings.
And we're standing in the stairs, like, going down the coat check or something, and the people are, you know, walking out. I was like, this is the scene. This is it. Like, this is it feels like it. You know? And so, like, people are on the stairs, and I hear somebody go, Molly, those are nuggets. And I died laughing just like I'm like, yes. In any language, it is so funny. No matter where you are in the world, dude, fucking doses. Molly Dose's.
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Molly Dose's nuggets. Yeah. Was there I was gonna ask you if there was a Shakedown Street. Was there a Shakedown Street? Because that yeah. It's like Not You know, the visual aesthetic of, like, this is a scene. Usually, it's you guys Well, over here, it's
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it's funny because, like, we went to Hamburg, and Hamburg is, like, a a a like, a little red light district is where the show where they were playing, like, Gross Fate, which is, like, where the Beatles played back in the day, Billy Strings. So we went up to Hamburg, and, like, you know, we're walking around before the show. We're in the Red Light District, and we find the place for where Billy Strings is, and there's just, like, a queue of people, and all of them have, like, tanks of nitrous oxide and they're like people with balloons in their mouth, like, queuing up waiting in line for the Billy Show. I was like, what the fuck? I just called Fatty. You know, like, I'm in Hamburg, Germany right now, Deutschland, and there's people like, you know, what is going on? And, you know, the same is, like, in Iceland, you know, there was there was memes running at the same time, you know, like biscuits memes, and it was like, oh, you know, Iceland is completely sold out of drugs.
And, you know, it was like because it's such a small country with a small amount of people, it's like the Biscuits played three nights there, and it's like, what the hell happened to the city? But I would say the the the show's there, I think the people were, like, super respectful for you know, Biscuit fans get a bad rap. But freeze did that. Did that. Yeah. Yeah. They did. If you ever get the chance to go see a band in Iceland, go. It's the top three trips I've ever done in my life. It was amazing. We were there for like ten days and we had three nights of biscuits and then we like traveled around a bit.
It was amazing. Amazing. Like the people that I met at the show, like I talked to them yesterday. Oh that's great. Yeah. It was amazing. My buddy, I went through the RC Drive By Truckers in Berlin and I went by myself and, you know, I had like rolled a joint, you know, hoping to make a friend. You know, because I was alone. So I, you know, I like pulled out a joint, and I like talking to this guy. I was like, Hey, man, you have a lighter? Do you wanna go smoke a joint? He was like, Hell yeah, I'll go with you. And he became one of my best close, great friends that I've had in a long time, and I met him in a show, his name's Cookie, and, he's like a glass blower that lives in Berlin, works for, like, a big, you know, international bank, and, you know, he's from you know, he's seen fish 100 times, you know, the dead, everything, and, just like good dude. So we we stayed in touch, and I was like, hey. You wanna go to Iceland? He's like, hell yeah, man. Dude, what a great chance encounter. What a great fucking Yeah, dude. I've been to People Billy tour in Iceland, and then I we've seen he's coming to see Gizzard here in November.
Sweet. And, I mean, we've I've been up to see, like we saw Jason Isbell, you know, a bunch of stuff in Berlin together. So
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Sturgill. Yeah. And what'd you say his name was? Because he's the man. His name is his name's Cookie? Because that's my nickname that my wife gave me. Mhmm. Is is that what he goes by? Or, like, when he goes to I'm sure it's not when he goes to the bank I like It's it's it's not His name is Cookie. I won't box him any more than that. Okay. That's his nickname, but but he doesn't that's not his, like, like, professional name. I just wanna be clear that it's not, like, lost his job. I mean, it is kind of his professional name. Not at the bank or anything, but it is kind of his professional name. That was the name of Magic Johnson's wife.
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He's a glassblower. A very good one.
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So my fave you know what? My favorite band that's not Phish, I guess, and not on Fris McGee is my favorite band of, like, the up and comer jam scene is TAK, t a e Oh, TAK rules. Dude. They did the Iceland thing. Did they? They played Iceland. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I fucking love that band. And I've seen, you know, they're the one of the They're just high, progressive rock instrumental. Totally. You know, they're one of the few bands I've seen mostly because they opened for Omfries a number of times. Yeah.
They're incredible.
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And they have no lyrics. Is that what I heard? I could get into that. They're just They have no lyrics. One of my favorite
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things by them, Their version of Eleanor Rigby is, like, is incredible.
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It's to them, it really showcase They definitely jam. Yeah. They're they're heavy progressive rock, though. I mean, it's like,
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Yes. That's my shit. Like, I would say that, like, of anything is, like, my shit. Like, guitar forward, but, like and you gotta look at them. You gotta that that's a band you gotta see because their drummer, Isaac, plays the drums in in incredibly charismatic way. And I don't know how else to say it, but, man, I think Jason know what I'm talking about. Jason's a drummer, by the way. Very good drummer. I am a drummer. Yeah. I don't know how good I am, but I'm a drummer. He's a very good drummer. He can hold it down. I'm not anymore. I was in the marching band. There's a drummer back in the day. But do you ever see the meme where the guy it says this guy is at the wrong gig, and it says drummer. He's just, like, losing his fucking That's Jason? That's what no. That's Isaac. Talk. That's what Isaac that's what Isaac looks like playing the drums and talk.
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Yeah. And he's just like in a wet and wetty band just, like, going wild. You don't see black guys in jam bands too often unless they're from I think he's Fishman. He's even got the he's even got the mug there. Fishman Fishman's a fucking tree stump, dude. Like, he doesn't he looks like he's not moving at all somehow. Dude, he is like a he's like, his name should be Bob. I mean, he has, like Bob Weaver. He's shaped just like like a cartoon.
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He is. He's shaped like no. He he's shaped like captain caveman.
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Yes. He's important. It's also it was better when he had the weird hair. Like, his short hair is is weird. Captain caveman is like
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Yeah.
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He has, like, a low center of gravity. Like, he's, like, designed to be, like, a drummer with just four limbs extending outward from a, like, a a singular He's like Doc Ock. Like, you know, the but he he looks like he's honestly like the vacuum cleaner that he connects. That he plays. That's good. He looks like an Electrolux vacuum.
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Yeah. I hope the fish ever finds our show that they find this episode above all else, and this is what they hear, dude. This is like now. I know this is how it's gonna go. Paige McConnell looks like a a guy who would play keyboards
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as a Muppet character.
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Yes. As a Muppet. Good. Yeah. Yeah. We we are roasting we are roasting fish now. Here it is.
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And and Trey just looks like the Simpsons version of it is all I can see when I look at him. Yeah. Well, my favorite description was Les Claypool when he was interviewed when they were
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doing
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less.
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Man.
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Well goofy. They are a goofy looking band, and we didn't even talk about the goofiest looking one of them all. Mike Gordon, it looks like he was not born on this planet. Yeah. He has the weird he has the weird short haircut now, which, like, completely ruined his vibe.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. That's Yeah. But he's playing he's playing, like, the best he's ever put, like, or seemingly the best that I've ever experienced. He dresses kinda like a guy who watches, like,
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the Chopper show.
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Yes. Yeah. Orange County Choppers. Like, he's like, he's watching his son. He's like, you're doing it right now. He seems like he would watch
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Orange County Chopper, or maybe he's like a relative of someone who is on that show is what he looks like now. He's just Sorry. I'm frightening. He's frightening looking. You know? I'm just roasting your favorite man. No. But, I mean, that's what we're doing, dude. I mean We're big corners.
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Dude, I can anything I do ends up turning into a roast anyway.
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You know? It's Well, I mean
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And, dude, who doesn't love making fun of fish anyway? Right? Who fucked that? That's, like, part of the deal. If you're taking it seriously, you're doing it wrong.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, they jump on trampolines. Exactly. In the show. During the show. Yes. Yes. They do. And they sing songs about lizards and Gamehenge, and, you know, like, sometimes they they fucking rule. I mean, that's the truth. And I mean, there there's actually, you know, if you have some good stuff, I haven't fallen down the the because FISH is I've been out of the game so long with FISH that I have no idea where to begin. You know, I can go back and try to hunt down stuff that I used to like. But to be honest, like, I don't have any of it on my radar much at all. So if you've got some good shit
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I would go with Trey Band Trio, and I'm gonna send it to you your way on NugsNet, some NugsNet links. I may actually reboot my NugsNet just to do this. But, like, tray tray band you don't have to send it on Nugs, like, if you just tell me that they don't know. Easiest way to to it's just the easiest way. But, like, tray band trio to like, it like, if you wanna, like, bypass the weird goofiness of fish and just deal let's just get right to the fucking heart of the matter and trade just ripping, being, like, fucking shit. Wanna hear something, like like, that reminds me of what like, the nostalgia
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is what I want. I get you. I get you. Nostalgia hunt. You know, that's like fish for me is That's hard to do. White Isuzu rodeo.
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Yeah. You know, like, that's how I feel. They're not that band anymore. They're not the band from the nineties anymore. So Yeah. I mean, it's not gonna be hard to do. But the sound, I think the closest thing you'll get would be from Trey's Trey's own projects. Yeah. Because that's, like, still very much Trey. And I still think that Trey is a big part of what the band was. What's that I still thought of it Bonnaroo.
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That makes sense. You you probably did. Yeah. Or early Bonnaroo. You're probably right.
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Like, 2002 Bonnaroo. Bunch of those damn things.
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Yeah. Bonnaroo is But I but I should point to Vivinta, Chris. Twiddle? This is my other question. Is did you guys I mean, Twiddle. You guys like Twiddle? Because I love Twiddle's alright. I don't listen to them, but they're all I wish they were still playing, and I could go see shows. Because Who's the other band that also quit?
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Twiddle and, there's one more that's like them.
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I'm sure there are many that have quit. Yeah. Oh, okay. I'll think of it in a minute. But, like, of that, look, I act I, that's my other like, that's my one, like, white whale. Like, I a band I love that I never got to go see. Yeah. I'm thinking, like, dopapod maybe, but I don't know who else. Like, I crushed like I crushed Nuggs Neck catalog on Twiddle. I think I've probably listened to every show in the last, you know, four or five since 2019.
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Yeah. I had friends that were really into Twiddle. But I still think Big Cypress is the if you want nostalgic fish and it, like Yeah. You're, like, compressed into, like, really just stellar versions of whatever they were playing. I think that that midnight set, that seven hour set, at least the front, maybe three hours of it, which is scattered all over YouTube.
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Ten thirty one ninety four is definitely a show to listen to. That is a good one. Yeah. Ten thirty one ninety Ten thirty one ninety four. If you like the Beatles. Well, the first set is probably the first set features some of the greatest versions of Trey soloing on any of, like, the Oh, I didn't know that. Guy. So that whole show is good. Not just the not just the costume. Okay. That's right. That's what I'm talk I'm oh, Spafford. I love them. Oh my god. They they also want they went away too? They're still around now. I was just listening. No. They're just listening to them. They're still touring. They are? Yeah. They you know what? They were they were here in that, so that place that just twiddled. It went away. Jason, remember that place I remember when I saw that Phish cover band, Rift?
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Yes. In Wayne? In Wayne. Spafford was Spafford was actually on the It was, like, calendar there. Interesting. And pigeons playing ping pong. I guess I didn't love them that much. Pigeons playing ping pong is, I don't Have you ever seen them, Grafton? Have you ever seen them? No. I haven't seen the I've seen what is the dogs one? Pile of dogs or whatever. No. I don't know. In a pile. Dogs in a pile. Dogs in a pile. I've seen them. But but I haven't seen Yeah. Pigeons is like I can't you talk cool. We were talking about the over the top drummer that's, like, way, like, the front man drummer. The lead guy in pigeons, I walked into a show once, and mind you, this is after Phish. It was in Atlantic City. After Phish one of the Phish runs. I think it was a beach run. It was it was, like, within the last few years.
And I had to immediately fucking walk out because the lead singer was so animated, and his head was so big compared to his body. Like, he He was 22, Jason. 22. It was August 13,
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fourteenth, fifteenth. I think So you remember this?
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Did you go to did did you go to pigeons? How do you know this? No. Because that was, But I think that's right. My birthday.
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What about Eggie?
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Who's that? Never heard of him.
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Never heard of him? No. I think Brownstein's like nephew or something. I don't know. He's cousins or something.
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Eggie rules. What's the connection to Philly with disco biscuits?
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I don't know. Are they supposedly from Philly or they camp out? Yeah. They're from Philly. I don't know. They're from they're from Philly.
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Like, Brownie like, that's why they play Ardmore. Like, that's why they only play Ardmore when they do the electron setup because they're down the street. I'm down the road. With some biscuits. During Hanukkah and Christmas is when they do it.
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You'd so I guess something about myself, it's kinda lame, but I'm not, like, a big drug guy with with regard to music. And I don't so it's like, there's a lot of bands I should have gotten into, but, like, I just
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couldn't stick it and hang it. That's what I should have. So what you're saying is Biscuits is a drug band, but Phish isn't?
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Phish is a drug band. Phish is a drug band that somehow bypasses my need. My bypasses my need for drugs to I'm not not a drug guy. But when I when I listen to disco biscuits when I listen to disco biscuits, I hit a point where I'm like, I must need to be on drugs to continue
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beyond this point. That is a that is true.
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Yeah. There A friend of mine, Italian, Bitcoiner,
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was traveling in America. That's his name? I thought you were talking to me, but I just doxed my I just doxed my I'm not gonna say his name.
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I'm not gonna say his name. But he was traveling to America, and he was staying, like, at somebody's house, and they couldn't they had two tickets to go see Phish over, like, the New Year's weekend or whatever and at Madison Square Garden. And they was like he was like, I can't go, so please take these two tickets and go to the show. And he was like, who the hell is Phish? And he's telling me the story. Like, you know, we're at a conference somewhere, and he's telling me the story. Is his name Billy Joel, by any chance? No. And then you've seen you've seen Phish. This is crazy. He was like, yes. I got there. He's like, it was the greatest night ever. He was like, I I was there. And then the person next to me was like, do you want some MDMA? And then the next person was like, do you want some LSD? And, like, basically, he was like, every single person around me offered me drugs because they're like, what is this crazy Italian guy doing at fucking fish at Madison Square Garden?
Like Sounds like how he would Dan would ask that question too. Do you want He had so much fun. He was like, that was the best. He was like, it was one of the best nights ever. So was he was he dressed up like a pizza? Like like a pizza like a pizza chef? Like, how did how did he No. How did he look like? Jeans and a hoodie. Oh, okay. Go ahead. It's like the does Italian guy He's a normal he's not like a guy with a bowler hat and, like, you know, drinking espresso or anything. That's cool. With a mustache. I took my dad to a physio on in 2019,
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and all kinds of people were offering him MDMA too. And he loved it. He felt so young by be being offered drugs by so many people.
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I would say, like, every band is a drug band.
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It's not true. I like that. I think Fish is a everyone does that. Episode called Fish is a Drug Band and Bitcoin is a Scam. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah. What does it even mean? It means there's human beings there because, like That like to enhance their experience of music. You know? Yeah. But it also seems like there's people doing that everywhere. But I would say that but we so here's something I would definitely a a point we've made on the show before. And with Phish, they may be a drug band because that's what people like to do. But the music is always, like, music is always front and center. Meaning okay. No matter and that's not true of all these bands. A lot of the bands Yeah. People people go for the explicit purpose of getting fucked up.
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That's, like, what I always love to see, like, on on any sort of, like, Twitter or, like, Instagram or whatever is, like, the people filming, like, the security guards who are watching, like, the twirlers in the back who were just, like, meaningless, just turning around in circles and dancing like absolute, you know, idiots. And the security guard
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I had a security guard hug me, like, hug me during a fish show. Like, we were in Madison Square Garden, and they go into the, good times, bad times. It's like, Yeah. And then he when the security guard figured out they were doing this Led Zeppelin, whoever, he just started going, fuck. Yeah. And he was right next to me. And I'm on the aisle, so and I guess I'm older, you know, and just decided to give me a fucking hug.
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Well, that's like Iceland. Iceland, I don't think they've ever had to deal with something like like, you know, the biscuits coming to town because, like, there there is security? What security? Like, there's no we're checking tickets. You like, you have a ticket to the show, but no one ever checks it because it's on an absolute trust based system because it's Iceland. So, like Iceland knows You know, you walk into the show and you just, like, you go to your seat, and there's never anyone giving you any sort of problem whatsoever. But, like, you know, it's the most beautiful theater I've ever seen in my life. Like, it's like I've seen pictures. The glass all around and the sun you know, it's summer, so the sun's out at, like, midnight.
But the inside is, like, this dark blood red color, and it's, like, so high up. And in the balcony, you know, the very, very top balcony, there were all the twirlers. Like, the you know, like, not the twirlers, but, like, the the people who need space to dance. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And then, like, the security guards, I don't think they had ever seen something like that in a beautiful opera house that, like, yesterday had, you know, the Philharmonic there and, like, the average age was, you know, all of the only old people in Iceland now. But, like, I think,
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you know, seeing Four hundred pound woman singing an opera solo.
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Yeah. But seeing the biscuits in a place like that, it was incredible because you're in Iceland, but also, like, the weather outside is unpredictable. So you're in this show, you come out, and you're with 2,000 other people, and you have no idea what the weather is gonna be like on the outside. There's no coat check. It's like you have a coat hanger. And so everybody's, like, all at once getting their jackets on. There's these huge sliding, like, glass doors, like, the, you know, that would be, like, the automatic ones. Yeah. And so there's all these people dressed up ready to go, and then the doors swing open, and it's just, like Magic. Sideways, sweet wind just like blowing like crazy. And it was the greatest thing ever because everyone is after just having their faces melted at the biscuits.
Yeah. You know, in the state of mind, and we're all descending on, like, this tiny little Reiki of it. You know? And it's like everywhere you go, it's just like crazy biscuits people who had just had the time of their lives. And they you know, the next day, we woke up, went for a hike, got naked, got in the river because it was, like, filled by the low volcanoes. And you get to the show the next night and your the people who were sitting next to you were like, what did you do today? We're like, yeah. We went snorkeling between the tectonic plates, you know, and, like, you know, we did this, and it was it was amazing, that environment.
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Yeah. And this guy it sounds like that whoever is, responsible for this Iceland venue is ahead clearly who knows exactly how it's all gonna go and knows exactly, like, the behavior of fans and how low security is required and just You know, definitely
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the first smell I smelled on the like, as soon as the lights went out was was Deemsters. Deemsters? Yeah. The first thing I smelled was grandma's closet. Deemsters. You know? And I'm like, we're in Iceland at a biscuit. You know? I had not been to a show of that caliber. You know, I'd seen Billy Strings at, like, a venue for 350 people. You know? Like, Iceland was the first time I had been to, like, a show of that caliber in, you know, almost seven or eight years. And I think, like, that was it was so surprising to me that in the middle of the island, in the middle of nowhere
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Still a big ocean. With Yeah. Do you remember
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jam cruise?
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There used to be My buddy asked Cookie asked me today if I would go with him on the next one. So they still do it? Because that's what the Iceland thing reminds me of jam cruise. Yeah. You know? I mean, I I have no interest in going to, like, the Cancun ones or Dominican Republic. Like, that I don't care about going just to the beach because it's like you're just gonna get sunburned as hell and, you know, like that. But, like, Iceland is so interested. I saw Humphreys did Morocco. They did, like, Marrakesh this year. And, like, that's such a cool thing because, like, also is, like, going to shows is is, you know, like, going to shows here, okay, but, like, going to Marrakesh, and then you're with a bunch of people who are in the same boat as you going to shows together, and then you're like, what are you guys doing today? Like, let's hang out. And, you know, you're in this weird country in this environment, and I think that that's such a great idea and more bands should do that. You know, like, the Dead played, you know, the pyramids, Fish has played, you know, crazy stuff, but, like, now I think that it costs so much money to take your show on the road, like, to Europe that most bands, unless you're small enough to really, you know, play the smaller venues, you're not gonna play Mercedes Benz Arena.
You know? You're you're not, and that's what Fish is used to, so they're not gonna come over here for any reason.
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Freeze is going through something right now. They they, they lost their drummer. They've replaced him with somebody else, but there's definitely, like, a little bit of a trying to refined something with them. So I haven't been that did they lose? Chris Myers. Well, first, they lost Mike Mero who was, like, a founding member. He died. Well, how did he lose? He left the band to go become a doctor, and then he tragically died at a young age. And Chris Myers has been with the band for, like, a decade. Right? Chris Myers has been in 2004 when Mike Mero left, and it was to me like an absolute it was not 2000 it was a '2 not 02/2004.
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Was it after that? It was. But but, yeah, he's been with them as as long as I can remember. It wasn't he brought something to the band. He somehow just he I don't know. Something the straw that stirred the drink. He was a very he's a very progressive drummer, and he fit that band, like, to a tee. You're right.
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And I phrase is an easy band to sell to progressive rock fans, but that's pretty much where it stops.
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Yeah. Who's not a progressive rock fan, though?
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Girls. Girls.
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Everyone you know.
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Yeah. I I mean, I will say, I in terms of, I see more girls at Umfries. Porcupine tree. I see more girls at Umfries porcupine tree. Were females at Umfries shows than pretty much do it. I would say that Umfries definitely has has
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that. There is a female scene there. And I think that's mainly due to back in the day when Brendan was, like, you know, Brendan Bayless.
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Mhmm. Smooth Brendan Bayless. Yeah.
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Yeah. Ryan Stasick Stasick, the the heart throb. I mean, they have, like, an autistic lead guitarist, you know Totally. Who's He's the best.
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He's like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. That's how I Yeah. Knew him. There's a great video. I gotta find it and attach it to the show notes, but there is a great video on YouTube of Jake when he was, like, 15 years old. And he is in his, like he's wherever he well, the wherever wherever the fuck he grew up in Indiana, it's some shed with these confederate flags up, and he is a young kid. He just rips. He's on the guitar, and he just goes he's just like going bonkers. And then he just goes to the drum kit and just goes bonkers on the drum kit. And it's just like a absolute showcase of this ridiculous, you know, just because YouTube exists now, and he's just, like, shown you know?
Somebody got a camera. It's it's unbelievable. I gotta I gotta dig this up and attach it to himself. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. He is ridiculous.
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Yeah. I mean, no no one's questioning their talent from a musicianship standpoint. But, yeah, I I used to I used to go to I used to go to Rush, and there were no women there. There's no women.
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Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, Geddy Lee isn't exactly
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No. There's no one attracted to that. Like Rush don't mind me.
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Geddy Lee's the first trans
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man. I don't know. I can't tell. Non certain He somehow transitioned from a man to a different type of man.
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Yeah. That also doesn't But, like, Getty Lee, like, to be honest, I mean, those lyrics are in every single boy. You know? Like, I grew up with that shit. Kenny Lee lyrics in my head. You know? Like Yeah. Rush Rush is moving pictures, that album. Yep. Yep. It's ridiculous. Forget about it. I mean yeah. And I mean, Neil Peart, I was a drummer. So Yeah. Of course, like, Neil Peart was
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not gonna He was Neil Pert. The main attraction. Nope. Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, Geddy Lee, whatever. You know? But
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Neil Pert is the the reason why Rush is you listen for just so you can air drum the shit out of Rush. I mean, that's Tom Sawyer or y y z, which I just learned y y z is Morse code. The beginning of y y z is Morse code for y y z. You probably knew that. It's another Humphrey. Great Humphrey's code. I didn't know that. And another, Freaks and Geeks
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callback here. Covers y y z or Claypool plays y y z all the time. Yeah. Jason Segal's character in freaks and geeks. There's, like, an episode where he's got, like, the smoke machine and he's playing, I think it's I think it's Tom Sawyer And he you know, then they then they zoom out, and they they show what it really sounds like, and it's, like, horrible.
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Yeah.
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These guys, like, is like me 30 piece drum kit.
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If I sing by myself, fine. If I try to sing along to any sort of track ever, I sound terrible. Yeah. Makes sense. Unless it's Neil Young. Neil Young because the only way to still sing Neil Young is to not give a fuck and to imitate it. That's right. Yeah.
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I they're all great Neil Young singers in the car. That's for sure. Yeah. I mean, you shouldn't sing like Neil Young in front of anybody. No. There's a guy I know. I think I've talked about him on the show because he's one of these, like, adversarial fish fans that I know that I have in my life who, like, just people that you don't you don't love.
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And I once saw him tries to tell you convince you that the music you listen to is not good.
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No. Adversarial other way. Finger. He's a fish fan. He's an adversary. And I don't know how it's it's almost like I don't know how it's like, how did you find this scene? But good for you. You know? I'm glad you enjoy it. But, like anyway, I I was at a social event with this guy once, and he was playing Neil Young, and he was singing like him. And it was awful.
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I think I just heard Panic. Neil Young, though. I think I just heard of Panic. JB is probably the only person who can really do it, I would say. Yeah. I just heard Panic Do Keep on Rockin' in the Free World. Is that right? Do they cover that?
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Maybe, like, once or twice or something. Okay. They they play a lot of Neil Young. They play, like, Don't Be Denied is a classic Neil Young tune. Mhmm. They play I mean, they play a lot with Neil Young.
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I love Neil Young, though. Question of the question of the night now. Question of the night, the one thing we actually did say we wanted to do today on the show. Yeah. So let's talk about WOOX. Let's so you could describe what they are. Do they exist in Europe? And we were gonna ask if there's some Bitcoin equivalent of WOOX. Like, you come home from the Bitcoin conference with the Wook flu. Does anybody do that? I think it's all the guys that run knots, but I know you're asking Crafton. Did you get book ever get Wook flu from Bitcoin conference? Yeah. I've had that. From the Bitcoin equivalent of Wook's? So what are what is a Wook?
A Wook is like a something like it's like we we used to call them torch racks. A Wook is like the Right. A Wook is like the the shitcoiners who come to Bitcoin conferences. Yeah. That's true.
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The the dudes who were there because they're, like, thinking that it's a good investment. They're in a deep spot. They're diversifying their portfolio. They do all the shit coin. Wu Tang Financial. They're the people who are like, Yeah. They're the people who are like, I'm looking for the next Bitcoin.
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Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Okay. XRP, guys. I mean, they're essentially the these are like the people who feed off they they wanna they just they're the drug dealers on the scene. They just they just use But that's like they're just using the scene
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to Right.
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To, you know, to sell their shit, which has nothing to do with the substance of the scene.
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Like, the Bitcoin conferences, like Las Vegas or Miami or
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Yeah. Although there are drug dealers, I'm guessing, that know that Bitcoiners are gonna be there too. Right? What do you mean, Mike? I'm guess like, in in Miami and Vegas, I would have to guess there are drug dealers that make it their business to be in Vegas during the Bitcoin conference. Right?
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Yeah. I would say. I would guess.
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Like, they would be around the venue. They're they're not walking around saying, oh, doses doses MDMA. Well, this is what's funny. Right? It's like,
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you know, like, growing up in the South is there would be, like, cops. They would know panic was playing like Oak Mountain. So they would have, like, operation don't panic, you know, and they would go there. And like even when I like last time I saw Pan One of the last times I saw Panic was like in South Haven, Mississippi, like the police killed a guy. Killed a guy at the Panic Show. He was tripping on acid, and they restrained him, and they restrained him. They did like a what's his name? George Floyd. George Floyd did him, yeah. They, like yeah.
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And, so, like He's nothing but a ripple.
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Yeah. But, like, you go to those things, and it's like, oh, this is a drug ban. It's like, but you go to a Bitcoin conference, and, yeah. I mean So these are these these cops lots of events that are not on the radar of of, you know, like, I would say, you know, it's not like Comic Con. You know? It's like Comic Con with the police at Comic Con. Yes. It is. Comic Con is an insane event. Yeah. Yeah. The, or, you know, the dead four nights at the sphere, fish four nights at the sphere, I guess. Yeah. I'm sure they were tracking down. Yeah. But I mean, like, every year there's this conference in Hamburg or it's in Germany. It's called CCC. It's like Chaos Computer Conference, and it's like it's insane.
It's, you know, we go in the last two years, and it's, like, open source everything and super cool stuff, like how to open source your own submarine and build a submarine in your backyard or, like, the world's largest telescope and, like, all this, like, just What's the big problem with submarines? It's closed sourced. Right? Yeah. And it's like being high on YouTube at 02:00 in the morning, you know, like, figuring out what rabbit hole you're gonna go down, but it's just like you're partying like crazy for four days and it never stops. You know, you're at a talk at 02:00 in the morning about the world's largest telescope and it's like the engineers who are building it. And it's just so fascinating and it's also just like a playground for hackers and stuff. And so there's like 20,000 people coming and going at all times and they build like this massive playground for you. But people, they're hackers. So they find an open door, they go down that open door, and then they build something on their own and so there's like this, you know, they build with wood and all the shit, they built a nightclub in the parking lot, like in the basement of this conference center and then everybody finds the door and then there's thousands of people grabbing in there, and my buddy, you know, we're partying, we're having fun, he turns and he's like, he's a Slovak guy with an insane voice, but he's like, it's like we're all cosplaying fentanyl addicts.
Because like in Europe you don't have that, you have that in America, like you know you go to Philly and you could see people doing the Fint Lane and stuff, but like over here That's a dope thing. There might be a meth meth head every now and then or something, but you don't really see that in, like, you know, these places and, like, everyone is in the garage drinking out of, you know, it it would really look like they were fit, like, playing cosplaying America.
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But that's because China didn't target didn't just isn't targeting Europe for fentanyl through the Canadian border.
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Maybe. I mean, I'm glad I'm sure as hell glad it's not here. That's for damn sure. I mean, that is not the America that I left. It's America's a very different place that I left than what it is now. It is. It is. Yeah. I mean, when it's not hard to make a dangerous place
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for drug enthusiasts.
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Yep. You know? It's not hard. Yeah.
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Well, it's like, look at what's happening in California. My brother lived out there, and, you know, he he came he moved back to Mississippi. And, I mean, he just, like, stacks big money and, like, lives at my parents' house. Must be nice. Hope he's listening to this shit. But, like, you know, he lived out in California, so there's no way he can get it anymore. Yeah. That was. Actually, he would be, honestly, he would be a great guest for you guys. The stories, he could tell I've been trying to get him to share his stories for years. Yeah. You know, he he his he was six months in Tijuana Prison. Like Woah. You know? Like
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Alright. That's a story.
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Yeah. Panic. Bitcoin is a horrific fan. You know? Seatfish at Big Cypress ninety nine. Yeah. You know, big I love that. Panic fan, you know, ran, I would say, a peer to peer economy, at shows. And, you know, he's done some time, but he's learned some lessons, and I like to say Bitcoin saved his life because that's the same thing as like, you know, we went to shows and we did a shitload of stuff together, drugs included back in the day, And my brother was never really kind of, didn't know what his path was, but Bitcoin was the first time that he ever learned, you know, what to, like, do and save his money and, like, how to how to kinda do stuff, and I think it saved his life. But every time I go home Love that. You know, we hang out, and it's always good to catch up. And I sit down, and I hit the record button, and we just chat for hours.
And his stories, you will laugh till you cry. Like, you know, just he's got such great stuff. He would be a fantastic guest if I could convince him to do it. You guys would love to hang out. He's hilarious.
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That would be awesome. I feel like Pies would be a Panic fan. Pies, let us know, if that's true. I'm sure Pies would listen. So but if you something tells me this dude has something tells me he's got stories. He was on our coffee podcast. Got some coffee stories, but I'm guessing, you know, Justin Paz would have some stories of being on tour somewhere too. Yeah. It's guys been everywhere.
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Yeah, dude. I I can't even imagine the stuff that my brother went through. I cannot imagine. It's always yeah. I mean, you people sometimes it's just so, like, you
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you almost can't believe a human being goes through this shit.
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No. That's why you look at somebody like Ozzy or you look at somebody like, you know, Jagger or Keith Richards, and you're like Yeah. You know, those dudes have put their bodies through absolute hell over the years. And Tiger blood is not my brother included. Yeah. The tiger blood's definitely a real thing. Yeah. The the Well, look at homeless dudes with their beautiful suntans and, you know, hair. They don't go bald. They're like, you know, they're living the life out there.
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Yeah. I mean, so I I mean theory, pussy is is gonna, like, counteract a lot of these problems somehow, these eight problems of aging for men.
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You know? Yeah. Well, the problem is men today can't get no pussy because they eat like shit, and they don't take care of themselves. They don't even want it. Lonely. They're not even interested in it anywhere. Yeah. A little timid. Carnivore carnivore is a very real thing, Bitcoin that people do, and, it also I think there's a lot of values in Bitcoin that I think a lot of people take as, like, their conservative values or whatever, but at the same time, a lot of those values are are are quite good to see. You walk with traditional babies and have family. The traditional
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I feel like the idiocracy like, you know the idiocracy, timeline from the movie where it's like all the you know? Yes. It was like all the the best. I mean, I feel like I feel like there's a possibility that Bitcoiners redo that. Right? They're the end because we end up being the ones having kids. We're only we're the ones that actually are capable of having kids, and we end up doing a lot of it. Yeah. I think there's a mortality in there too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you, like, zoom out in, like, two, three hundred years, and it's, like, we were the only one. We're like, yeah. We dominated the baby having game.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what the bit you know, the Bitcoin baby boom will be a very real thing. We're doing our part with getting the baby making music into people's
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lives here. Right? Which Is Phish baby making music? Phish not so much. Podcast. Phish not so much. But, like, the gen you know, I think, like, Umfree is is proudly called themselves baby making music.
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They have. Yeah. I don't think Tweezer reprise is a is a You have not listened to this this back version from this tour. I would,
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challenge you on that one. Yeah.
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That's Yeah. Come on. You can do it. You can do it. Come on.
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You name your cat child. Roast, I think, is the best part of this episode. How many kids from fish fans do you think have been named Wilson?
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Only if they hate their kids, I guess. Not many. Not many. Yeah. What so what are some names that Fish fans would name their kids? They're For the Bitcoin or Fish fans who are gonna participate in the baby name? They're pretty lame. And I think the Fish fans in general are pretty lame right now. It's one of the reasons Jason and I do this podcast because we're, like, hoping to, like, bring people over to, like, stop being so fucking lame. Yeah. Stop the incentive. Tweezer reprise would be a cool name for a kid, though. That would be awesome. That's, like, the chalup of Batman of fish fans.
Yeah. Tweezer re reprise Clark. Yeah. Did somebody I guarantee you, somebody got their girlfriend pregnant at the SPAC show night three this year and named their kid. They will name their kid Tweezer Reprise. Yeah. Tweezer Reprise set too. They basically played it for forty five minutes.
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You could like, Julius Unprecedented. That's a good one. Julius. So Jason almost named his child Julius until he heard the song. See, I think I think fish I think fish fans usually name their pets after after
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this. He's inspired, like Kinda like like fluff head for their Maine Coon cat. Poster nut bag is a very popular bag is a good one.
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Terrible.
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Jimmy. Who, yeah. You know, definitely, you do see that. But
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I had a dog named Pilgrim.
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I bet he had a bad ass. Being real right now, the thing about fish. Agretta. You know, when I say fish is I had a we had a gratitude. Yeah. When fish is music forward, when I say they're music forward, I mean, I don't think fish has had a big impact on culture. I mean, and that I think that's fair fair to say in the past. Fish has had a big impact on culture?
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I don't. No. It's too narrow. Depending on where that goes. Right? Is you have, like, you have
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an impact on culture in twenty years could be very different than the culture. Cultures. Yes. There are things that have come out of the scene, like, I mean, like taping and which wasn't invented by them, but, like, digital making digital, like, nugs essentially came out of fish.
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You know? Well, that's the thing is fish isn't on nugs, are they? No. No. But live fish, they own live fish. Ridiculous.
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You know, Live Fish was what gave birth to Live Fish and Metallica Yeah. I remember. Gave birth to Nodes.
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I used to have those albums with the, like, the silver and the color would be at the top for the different shows. I had, like, the red one and the yellow one.
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Yep.
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So it was the guy that founded Nugsnet that basically started live feed. It was the first night he was, like, in a van outside of Madison Square Garden broadcast That's how they should do it. Broadcasting it. So, like, there are go. There's innovations. There's, like, innovations and stuff. But, I mean, like, Fish the Band has not has not necessarily I don't think not like The Dead. You know? The Dead absolutely drove culture.
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Globally.
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Right? They were driving driving culture. They were they were
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just waiting. Yeah. But they were part. They were also part of Of the big and large towner culture. They were part of something. That's right. It wasn't just the dead. But they were a huge part for sure. They're traveling. Still apart. Like, that's the thing is of all the music from that time period, the dead are still a part of culture in a in a huge way. Is it because Bob Weir is going out on stage and, you know,
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struggling or whatever he did with it. I don't think the new version of the dead is part of that. I think it was all Jerry.
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Is it making new fans is the question. So, like, are dead are there dead fans who only listen to the dead with Mayer?
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There's gotta be some. Yeah. Fucking psychotic.
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Who've never been hung over on a Sunday morning and put it on a little Jerry Garcia band and instantly felt the world is a better place.
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The place that I host my meetup, I was in there the other day, and they were playing Jerry Garcia band. I couldn't believe it. It, like, made me love the place.
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And that Jerry and Merle Sanders album? Yeah. Oh, they're good.
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I love the Merle sand oh, the Merle sand that I love all that. And so Yeah. I I guess what I'm trying to say, though, is, you know, fish in and of itself, what they impacted was music, and I think that's, like, their legacy is gonna be musical,
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not cultural. Yeah. Nobody's talking about oyster head. Right? Nobody's talking about Yeah. Yeah. We we are, but, like, you know Well, we do it
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for musically. We it's it's the musical impact. It's not all that. Has the
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the misfortune of going after the dead. And so they get bumped into Fortune and misfortune. Well, sure. Yeah. It's a bittersweet motel.
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It is.
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But, like, I think, you know, panic is something a little bit different because it is grouped in with Southern Rock, know, and it's like Drive By Truckers. You know, are they a jam band, or are they southern rock and they're they're southern rock? You know, like, Jason Isbell. You know, like, he's one of the greatest songwriters currently living, I think. I mean, like, every single song that that guy pins is amazing to me. You know, just like a guy can write songs that'll make you feel something. And I think that that's what you look at, and it's like, you know, Tyler Childress doesn't. He he sounds like, you know, Kentucky country. You know? And I think the he doesn't have the same thing that that Americana southern rock and roll has, the Panic. And that's that's what it is. It's
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Phish is not Americana, but in a way, they kind of are. But, like Yeah. They kind of are. Different. It's just Post punk. Post punk. Yeah. Like, Grateful Dead was Americana, like, personified. Yeah.
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Yeah. But The Dead also
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suspicious is real things. Was way too inaccessible to be like Americana. They were just way too inaccessible.
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Right? Dead songs are so real, though. You know? Like, when you listen to them, that you feel them. And Fish, like, is there a song
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that has Oh, I could Yes. I mean, I would you have to go newer hundreds. You have to go newer in the catalog, but definitely, yes. I would definitely check out this project side project called Ghost in the Forest, which, Trey wrote really about his best friend who died. And, you know, that was definitely, like, a leap forward in terms of feeling music, creating feeling music, and then Fish's music after that had a lot more, feeling music. I would go to the album Sigma Oasis. The song leaves is an incredible song. Song shade is another one that is incredible. Really, I think, very deep, very feeling. Well, that's like but you guys are pointing the lyrics, though. Like like, I don't know. Is is a good song have to be I mean, do you have to do you have lyrics to feel a song? Not a lyric guy. I'm just I just never paid attention to lyrics. And I I think to feel a song and to be, like, really in love with something and to be touched, moved by something, I think it it's
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it's Jason, you ever listened to Tom Waits?
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Yeah. I know Tom Waits. He did the opener for, The Wire.
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That's what I was gonna say. Yeah. Yeah. Season one. Season one opener.
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You ever listened to, like, a Christmas card from a hooker in Minneapolis by Tom Waits? I have not listened to that particular Diddy.
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Is this I mean, is this our closer? I was gonna put a panics on to have you I was gonna have you send me a panics on for the closer to to I mean, when you think about weights. Yeah.
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I mean, yeah. Put the palm weights as a closer. Hurt. Alright. Yeah. Like, when I think about songs that, like, make you feel, it's like, I'm not a hooker for Minneapolis. You know? Like but I can listen to that song, and the raw you know, it's Tom Waits, number one. So the raw emotion of Tom Waits and his voice is just, like, intense. But Yeah. Like, those are songs that are written with you know, there's a story there, and there's a feeling behind it. And I think a lot of, you know, panic has it. Do the do the biscuits have it? You know? And it's like, biscuits write songs about, like, sci fi, like, aliens, and stuff, but there's a lot of lyrics in Biscuits that are really, lyrical and people as well. I can tell you Twiddle has it. Twiddle does have it. I've listened to some Twiddle. I mean, like, I just never saw Twiddle. I never really understood them much, but, like, you know, when I do listen to, like, Apple Music or something,
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it kinda comes up here and there. They they, you know, they're they they have some songs that are very feeling. The so the singer has a tone, a raspy tone that kinda makes you think that he grew up in a van doing nothing but fucking learning how to fingerpick a fucking Dobro.
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You know? Did you guys ever listen to, like, Keller Williams back in the day? Yeah. Yeah. Well, actually, it was a Yeah. I like him a lot. He's he was amazing back in the day, but now I feel like he's the guy who sings down by the bay
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where the watermelons grow. Yeah. Well, Tom Hamilton makes every band better, and Keller Williams makes every every band worse. So that's the difference. That's fine.
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I mean, Keller Williams, I like back in the day, I mean, he was he was doing something that nobody
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was doing. All the looping seven zero eight ish.
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I feel like Yeah. All the all the looping stuff. Dead songs, and they were really good. And, like He was new. He was he was bringing something very new to the scene. Now he's like, yeah. He's like a Jack Johnson y kind of guy. Maybe he got paid by Syria. Like, Sirius, Like, Jack Johnson's another guy who, like, I feel like Sirius ruined certain Yep. Sirius radio ruined It's a really good point. He ruined it. They ruined both of those guys. It's like David Blaine music or something. I don't know. Like, it's so weird to me. And they did the Curious George movie, and it was, like, kind of it did make it all seem so childish.
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But I mean and that's Stitch's calling card too is being childish and, you know, that's at least, like, the nostalgia you might be looking for is, like, back in the nineties when they were essentially writing, like, Sesame Street bits, you know, like, things that
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It was not yeah. Then it was not I mean, I don't know. Fish was fish was I I messed with Fish quite a bit. You know? Like, I I really did listen to a lot of Fish back in the day. They did that in Atlanta. And that's what it all now. I still know it all by heart. Like, you know, I don't know any of the new songs. If there's a new song that comes on by something, you know, skip. I don't know that. But, like, when I look at Biscuit songs great new songs. Biscuits have tons of new songs that, like, I prefer. Like, they're amazing. And I think that the fans are that way too, and that's why they're so hot right now is because literally every new song that they put out,
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everyone is like, yes. This is great. And the fans are loving it. So What's going on? That that's what you don't have. I disagree with it. So the yeah. I think Phish has been Is it really? Yes. They've been putting out absolute bangers for the last four or five years. What are so what are some, like, good new fish holes? Monsters is one I really like. Away Life saving is one I love. Life saving gun. Gun, what's going on, what's going through your mind, which has already hit a forty minute they've already have a forty minute version of that one. Yeah. Everything on the graph forest is great Yeah. In my opinion. You know? So, like
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sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. I was just gonna say, Grafton, when you were on high hash rate and you said what I had heard that, you know, that, you know, that biscuits was, like, hit in stride, like, as of late. It it it struck a chord with me. One of the reasons why I was like, you'd be a great guest is because FISH has turned that corner, I feel like, in a big way in the last couple of years where some of their newer material in before that was just a little bit, like I don't wanna call it stale, but just uninspired. But this last wave of new material is fantastic.
It's just so good.
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It's different. It's like yeah. It's like orthogonally different. Yeah. Whereas, like, yeah, you you know, you go through, like, the Soul Planet era. Right, Jason? And it's like, okay. These are, like, enhanced versions of what we used to do well, but they're not new. But now, like, in the last four or five years, there's, like, new new styles of music that they are bringing to new songs.
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Yeah. Yeah. I think I listened to the the New Year shows. I think I pulled them and and listened to them. And, I mean, just because I was curious. Yeah. I think it did got you really we would get a flavor from this New Year's. It's life saving gun. The life saving gun, what's going through your mind gag. Yeah. The the guy always feel like even when I go back and listen to shows, it's like there are some New Year's shows from bands that were, like, incredible, you know, back in the day, just like there were some Halloween shows that go back in the day. They were great. But Yep. I don't typically prefer, like, the the New Year's kind of, atmosphere, like, for for shows. Like, when I listen to them, you know, I prefer Thursday night in Lawrence, Kansas or something. You know? Like, there's just something about Absolutely. Like, those I'm the same way. Completely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like, I I feel like I'm not listening to, you know, something that was shared by thirty five thousand people, but, you know, maybe something that was too The last weird. You know? You can't describe
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But it's definitely it's a little distasteful. Like, I went to the last New Year show that we went to was 2019 for Phish. That was the rescue squad show, which Ray got stuck on the riser, and they needed the he needed the rescue squad to actually take him down. But, like, it's one like, when you go to a show on New Year's, everyone is, like, people go hard at shows in general. Right? But, but on New Year's, dude, it is like a partier's fucking Super Bowl.
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Oh, yeah. 80% of the building. Coming out of the Phillips Arena in Downtown Atlanta with, like, you know, 25,000 Panic fans, and all you can hear is pop. And, like, you know, the Tabernacle lets out at the same time, and all the Soundtribe fans are all, like, marching, you know, out. And you have this weird mixture of yeah, like, you know, that's something that, you know, in Atlanta, man, it just that place,
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like, fuck Atlanta, dude. I'm sorry. That place is terrible. Yeah. Dude, Atlanta, I lived there for six months. I was was forced to recently, and fucking Atlanta's terrible. I agree. It's where they they murder football players and Super Bowl players. Dude, Atlanta.
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Like, people talk about places in America where I don't wanna go, and Atlanta is one of them. Like, I love the Braves. I would love to go to Braves games, but, like, I do not like the city of Atlanta. I've never never enjoyed it. It's always been weird. They they had a bombing at the Olympics. Like, what is Atlanta good for? Like, I don't know. Actually. January. Is nice. I like the airport. I'd give them that. But Alright. I don't know. I think, like, most most of the time, I miss I do miss, like, going out to Red Rocks to see shows and doing that stuff more than anything. You know? Like, that's the one thing I miss about America that I can't get here as much.
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Yeah. Yeah. The Red Rocks. I mean, Prague is beautiful.
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Pretty beautiful. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. It's beautiful, but, like, something about seeing a rainbow over
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over Denver. So sick. It's yeah. I'm jealous of anything. Afternoons. I've never been to Red Rocks. I've driven past it. Uh-huh. Can I, like, imagine? Go to the gorge for fish? No.
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No. Yeah. I've done Red Rocks with, j rad, but that's it.
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Does fish play Red Rocks?
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The last time I think 2011. They're not allowed back. Oh, wait. Did they did they do 2011 was the they They they redeemed themselves? Okay. Because weren't they, like, not allowed back after, like, the nineties, the mid nineties red rocks? Like, something happened.
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I I don't know the story, but it kinda rings a bell. Yeah. Something something happened. I mean, they they did the '94 06/1194 was probably the most notable Red Rocks appearance.
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Yeah. That's the one I remember with the divided sky, and it was it was good. But, yeah, they haven't done Red Rocks, glad to answer your question, in in a long time.
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It's too small, probably. Yeah. It's a little too small. Too small or they you know? You know, for a man like their asses over to Europe, man. Well, they really should. I don't get it. I don't get why they I don't get why they don't go back there. People what they want.
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Yeah.
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I wonder if they just come over here. I wonder if their trip to Europe I think their trip to Europe in the nineties was when they were first getting into, doing drugs themselves. They were then it was just fucking on like Donkey Kong. Europe. Was there India? Yeah. I think so. And the stories that came out of Europe, the drug stories about fish that came out of Europe were, like, insane.
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And, I wonder if that's why they don't go back right now. I just wonder if that's just they're just not interested. Good point. Yeah. I think they're just like, it's not worth it because they make plenty of money doing what they're doing. You know, they they don't have any reason to do it. Other than that, they might have some shows. Oh, yeah. Other than to, like, enjoy it is the only reason they have to do it. This the same with, like, the biscuits is, like, Iceland is a different thing because for them it's also an adventure, you know, like every day they're posting pictures of them like crawling on glaciers and stuff as well. You know, they're they're also having fun. Like right now they're in Montana and every day they're like hiking and for them I think that they're at the point in the age where if you do something, you wanna do it with, like, where it's fun because I think they, you know, biscuits have been in every damn dark alley and showroom and tiny box around the world, and, I think that now it doesn't make sense for Phish or to any of these bands. Like, Panic Panic's not coming over here. They would never. Like, they'd play to 300 people and make nothing, and it would just be cost and tons of money for them.
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They're gonna need something like the sphere, I guess, and then they would all go.
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I mean, they they could they could play. I don't think they would sell out. They could play a bigger room in Prague and, like, people wouldn't come because people from America would go and then there would be some local interest and stuff, but, like,
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you need a promoter. You need, like, all kinds of stuff to make that kind of stuff happen here. Whenever Phish announces a tour and, you know, they can't play the entire country. So, like, they usually one year, it's, like, East Coast heavy. One year, it's West Coast heavy. And every year, whoever doesn't get included just freaks the fuck out and starts losing their minds. Like, I think it would be cool for for, like So I could see going to Europe. If they go to Europe, like, everyone in The United States is like, what the fuck, dude? Fuck.
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Biscuits to do, like, a tractor beam run-in Berlin, you know, like Oh, that would be amazing. Yeah. Mexico is in the run.
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We see New Mexico. That's, like, the closest that's the yeah.
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That's the trip, man. Biscuits were supposed to do a cruise, and then everybody complained that there were, too many people for seats for the auditorium. So the biscuits were gonna play every night, and not everybody would get in to see them. So the they were like, well, we're canceling the cruise. Yeah. It's kinda cool. I think that's why they did the Ardmore.
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No shit. That was a makeup for the Yeah. For a disappointed cruise cruise cruise. Nights. It was supposed to be six nights of biscuits. Yeah. It was and it was gonna be four, but they added two shows at towards the last minute on the front end. I've asked my friends what they thought. Yeah. I didn't I didn't get any of them. So
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as we if if let's say we're gonna close this thing now. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta go to bed, man. It's three in the morning. Yeah. Thank you for staying up for us. As we as we go out. So we we got Widespread was, every day. That's the one you said. Mhmm. So you got your album. So we're gonna ask for a biscuits. Oh. Either a show, date, or an album.
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Man.
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New stuff? Anything. Like, what anything you would say, that's what that's what we should go and focus on. Yeah. We'll make it new stuff as because that's Yeah. Just go listen to them Iceland shows. Okay. Cool. The Iceland shows.
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That's a great place to start. And you also said Oak Mountain o two, right, for for widespread?
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For Panic, if you can track down good quality Oak Mountain o two, but, yeah, I mean, Carbondale is a multitrack that's available that's on that should be on streaming services. Dividing line, though, for Panic pre
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Is o two is when is when Mikey died. Yeah. Right. Like, this gets, like,
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hop on YouTube. They they, like, have all their live streams, like, from their shows, there. So you have, like, full full shows there. Even the Iceland shows are on YouTube. And then there's also, like I mean, just you can't go wrong with, like, new biscuits for sure. It's all really good.
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I checked out that Spaceman, like, art artwork covered one. It was, like, brand new from, like, what I could find on Spotify, and it was pretty good. I checked out the whole album. That was all based on your high hash rate appearance. Well, the
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the biscuits, they I think on Spotify, they put all of their whole last year's tour on Spotify That's cool. Which is, like, so cool because, whenever you wanna show somebody what it means to be the Biscuits, you cannot play them an album because the biscuits you can get it on the rebel, do not listen to biscuits' albums, please.
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Right. But so you can now because it's on Spotify, does that mean you can access it on the node runners, Jupyter?
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So I definitely exposed a lot of people to biscuits. Hell yeah. It's a good it's a good report, I would say. But, yeah, like, most of last year's tour are all on I think the whole tour is on Spotify. So That's cool. Like, it's all good. All the new stuff is great, really, by the time to be continued.
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It's all good. Wanna leave us what do you wanna leave us with?
[02:10:13] Unknown:
We had a great time. We had a great time. Yeah. I mean, I will you for staying up and having this call. For sure. It was it was it was a lot of fun. I'm sure we'll We brought a new friend. We'll talk again soon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can chat anytime, really. Party fun. I mean, I if you guys weren't based in The US, I would chill Vexel, which is, you know, the app that I'm working on. We are a non profit. Yeah. Yeah. We're a nonprofit, and we built a a really cool tool that, allows people to peer to peer Bitcoin without KYC. Currently available in Canada, so all your Canadian listeners, you can get it. But, basically, we rethought how you design a peer to peer marketplace, so we only connect you with friends and friends of friends.
So if you got 10 friends in common and you're offering to sell Bitcoin, then I got enough trust where I trust you. So you never trade with a stranger. And, we're funded by donations from the Human Rights Foundation, which is really cool. I can't believe I was born a small black child.
[02:11:18] Unknown:
You know, it's kinda like tape trading back in the day. And I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but, like, there used to be a thing called bad tapers list. So, like, if you rug somebody, you would go on a fucking list. Hell, yeah, dude. Your reputation is the
[02:11:33] Unknown:
only thing you can you have. Right? And and that's the beauty of it is is, like, if I do something to damage my real world reputation, I lose friends. And the last thing I wanna do is lose people that I can, you know, that I can trust, that I can call a friend. And that's what we built on, and that's the only way to scale trust because it it doesn't scale. Any any sort of ratings or reputation system online, you know, we've all had a bad Google Google rating, you know, review experience or TripAdvisor. You know? I joke, but it's, like, the number one restaurant in Prague on TripAdvisor is an Indian restaurant. And it's, like, dude, don't come to Prague and eat Indian food. Yeah. So, like, you ask a friend. If you come to Prague, talk to me. You know? I'll I'll I'll recommend some places. But, like, Vexel is really cool.
Check us out. Like like I said, I mean, we are funded through donations. So if you wanna help us out and say thank you for using it, like, we're super grateful. But we're cool people. That's number one is, like, I really do think that the whole team and the people I work with are amazing, and we're we're proper Bitcoiners building building something that we want. So if other people want it, that's awesome. But, yeah, check us out. You can find me on on Nolster or or Twitter or wherever. I'm pretty easy to find. I'm Sats Disco. You should be able to remember enough Nice. About the biscuits. But, it's actually from old back in the day, my gamertag. But, Oh, no shit. You know, it used to be, like, driving driving to disco, like, Widespread Panic, driving song into disco. Yep. Yep.
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Yep. You know, it's funny that now I basically listen to nothing but the disco biscuits. So That's funny. Panic at the disco have did panic at the disco have anything to do with panic or disco biscuits? Hell to the normal. So, like, what the fuck is that?
[02:13:28] Unknown:
That's like emo
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trash. Like I know that popped into my head. That should have been a collaboration.
[02:13:33] Unknown:
They're emo pop. Yeah. That's what that's because you've been you've been exposed to the satanic cults. Yeah. You've been you've been psyched into modern pop music.
[02:13:45] Unknown:
But when I was when I was telling those who want you to see it. When I was telling friends about having you on, my friends in Canada were saying, yes. That is that Vexel is the coolest thing on Earth.
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Awesome. Yeah. We're growing in Canada for sure. It's really cool to see. I mean, like, we'll be at the Canadian Bitcoin conference. Michael's there. And, like, you can see these little circular economies popping up just like back in the day. I mean, it's happening again. People are trading beef jerky. You know? Let's make it then. Shirts. Let's make Canadian Bitcoin conference a thing. How many bootleg shaped out. Lot shirts do you have?
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Not much anymore. I used to have quite a few. But I personally one out.
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I lost, like, 20 kilos, and I had a shirt that I wanted to wear so long, and I busted it out. So hope in a hopeless world shirt, I finally can fit in it again.
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Oh, that's great. Nice. Yeah. I got rid of a bunch of them. I had probably a 150 fish fish or band related t shirts. My wife is like, we're moving from Atlanta. She's like, you gotta get rid of some of these. I was like, you're right. Dude, I had a steady business
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selling t shirts at panic shows. I bet. I made the I made, like, the Hauser Hoover panic shirt, like, the vacuum cleaner Yeah. And sold that shit. And then, like, I had one that just said gimme on the front and on the back. It was like, give me a hand there, Michael. I'd give you my heart if I could right after he died. They had the dates on it. I love I love that. We're gonna be bringing we're gonna be bringing, so my podcast partner for Rock Paper Bitcoin is gonna be at the Canadian Bitcoin conference as well, and we're gonna be bringing
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a lot of merch. And we're thinking of having a meetup, like, or a meet and greet for the two of us. So look out for look out for that.
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Yeah. I might be there, so I might see you. There's talk of me coming. There's talk. Let's do it. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. I gotta plan it. But thank you, guys. It's been fun. Thank you. Thank you, man. We'll talk soon. Hell no doubt.
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Enjoy the outro. Peace. Not alone. I'm just blue.
Take what Howard This is a great great moment to be right here. Rack on the Chain history being made in episode 19, in case you're wondering about the music we just listened to. Yeah. Which normally we discuss mid episode. But, it's very exciting because we have a very special guest. He's special in so many ways. For one, it's like three in the morning where he lives, so that's awesome. It will be. It will be at some point. It's very late. We cut him no slack. This is for future guests in in weird time zones.
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Yeah.
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But let's introduce Grafton. Wanna introduce yourself?
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Yeah. Since we started having guests. Yeah. I'll, help you guys out. Yeah. I'm, Grafton. I work on a project called Vexel, in Bitcoin a long time. I'm here, to chat about some music, talk about some stuff, the shared experiences. The way I grew up, we have a lot of things in common with Bitcoiners, and, it's interesting. So I'm looking forward to getting into that and, talking about, like, peer to peer, and why we should build those kind of tools, for no KYC like Bitcoin, because that's that's truly what we we need to have. So, yeah, excited to kinda get to know you. We already chatted a little bit. So Yeah. A little bit. We know each other a little. So we've already swapped some stories and things, so I'm sure we can get into it. Well, Jason and I, I have to tell you, like, we were, like,
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we were, like, little fanboys. That's true. I think we we were maybe on our second episode Mhmm. Of this show, this little experiment. And, our mutually favorite podcast, which RIP no longer exists, High Hash Rate, we heard you we heard this guy on high hash rate talking about the disco biscuits and widespread panic, and we were like, what is this? Who is this dude? But then high hash rate, you you that was the last episode of high which I was actually very jealous of that. I was very jealous. I, I can't tell you how many times I told Dan and Mike, that business guy and I need to be on the last episode. Now you could we can have as many other friends as we want to roll in, and we should be one of those festivals.
I love that show so much.
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Yeah. That, like, I really wanted it. I wanted it to end better than it did. But at least it ended with me. It was pretty good. I mean, I hope I didn't kill it. I hope that wasn't it. But, no, I I had I had some fun with it. I'm sure you did not You did not feel that that show was about to die, and you just gave it a last
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wonderful little but we so so Jason and I were so psyched. We were like, oh my god. Somebody's you know, like, there's there are more of and so for us, it was like validating.
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Like, we were like, oh my god. We just started this podcast,
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and now we hear these voices out there in our world, and that was really cool and hey, Jason. You wanna introduce yourself?
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Oh, yeah. I'm Jason, everybody. I've been on the show the whole time. Great fish banter.
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Fish level banter here. It was really cool to see you know, for us, it was, like, refreshing. It validated our, like, decision to do this show. Exactly.
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It really did.
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And I I don't think I don't know if we said, hey. One day, we're gonna have that guy on. I think I mentioned it on that episode. Like, if we ever have a guest, it should be crafting. He's definitely glad I'm here, man. So correct me if I'm wrong. Basically, you've been, like you found this podcast. You're you're, like, yelling at your phone for a while until you finally decided to reach out and say, listen, dude. I got a lot to say on your show. Let's do this.
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No. Not exam I mean, like, yeah, of course. I reached out to you guys because I it's always nice to to meet somebody else who's kind of has similar shared experiences. And, the, you know, the music is one of those things that, you know, it's like Satoshi said, you know, I don't have the time to explain it to you. You know? Like, I'm sorry if you don't get it. And that's a conversation I've had to have so many times in my life around music. And, you know, going to see shows and people are like, why the hell would you go for a three night run-in Iceland to go see the same band every three nights? I'm like, sorry if you don't, you know, get it. You know, I'm sorry. It's it's a shitload of fun. I promise you you would love it. And I think that Bitcoiners are kind of the same, like, a lot of that. And so, you know, I've met other people who like good music.
That's for sure. And I came across last year, I think, BTC Prague. I was talking to Fractal, and, you know, he is, like, big widespread Panic fan. I was like, holy shit. Hell, yeah, dude. That's like I grew up with that. So Fractal I mean, I've seen Fractal, I if you if it's the same Fractal,
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I've talked to him about coming on the show too. We had it was, Rod Palmer was trolling him about the band Tool. If this is the same one if this is somebody who who's is named Fractal and Chris. Artist. Fractal and Chris. Yeah. You can call me. It's a different Fractal. And if you're out there, Fractal, let's not forget, about coming on here, and let's do in, like, a, you know, talk about tool. You know, you could teach us teach us the ways here.
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I can I can, talk about tool?
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But since talk about tool too well?
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I never got into it. Fact that I've seen tool, like, four times, and it was the exact same show every single time I saw them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good show, at least. Oh, for the first band. The first one was like, hell, yeah. This is a fucking good band. The You know? Lex three were like, oh, wow. This is the same. I could have just played the album.
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Still, nonetheless, I think and not to get it. We'll we'll save the tool episode for when the the fractal I I interacted with on Twitter
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does what you did, which is Well, I think it's a I have a question on on on these two fractals because I think I I'd have heard I know who Fractal Encrypt is, obviously, the guy who does the big node the node artwork. Right? Yeah. But then there was another fractal that, like, talked to but he came on a podcast. Again, they all blend together. But he did, like he said he got his start in, like, like, blotter, like, blotter artwork, like paper. Yeah. Is that ring a bell with either of you? On which frac okay. Okay. So I might be conflating some people, some artists,
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like, blotter, paper. We had a funny moment because, basically, Rod was trolling him about, he made some post about Gen x, and Rod sent something about tool. And I've he he copies me because he just knows that's enough of a breadcrumb to get me to come in and talk about fish. Right? And he says some he said something, and I think my response was something like, how many tool how many Bitcoin based tool podcasts are there? The answer is zero. Right? Yeah. How many Bitcoin based Phish podcasts are there? The answer is more than zero. That was the fun that was the funny little moment, but then we actually had a substantial conversation and you know? So, anyway, I hope it comes on. The tool's interesting because, you know, they're a lot you know,
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we talk about space. A hell of a band. Don't get me wrong. Like, they they're they're a hell of a band. I think that tool is kind of like a theatrical, you know, beautiful presentation. You know, Maynard is an amazing, you know, talent, in the same way that, like, you know, I think Roger Waters and, you know, we I talked about going to see him, you know, seeing the wall. That was amazing, You know? And you saw it too. You saw the same show I saw. And, I think that that's, like, a completely different element to what we see. That's, like, perfectly executed stage show, whereas, you know, going to see Fish or Panic or the Disco Biscuits is you never know what you're gonna get. Exactly. You know? There's, like, old biscuit shows where it's like they're they're like, a year they're playing completely out of tune, like, everything.
That's true. You know? It's like you listen to it. You're like, dude, this band is out of tune, like, really badly. And you hear it, but at the same time, like, there's those little moments in there that you chase, and it is, you know, a sort of addiction. And I think that Bitcoin also has that, because you're constantly, like, you know, trying to figure out what's gonna happen or what's the newest thing and trying to stay ahead of it. You know, it's like, look at Twitter or Nostra right now. It's like just one knots versus core, you know, war of each each other. It's fish versus widespread panic. It is. You know, like, yeah, fake debate. Mechanics putting out, like, mechanics putting out, like, you know, guitar guitar videos, singing songs.
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So, I mean, it it is interesting trying to sigh up the comparisons. If he had good music, maybe, like, we'd sigh up more people. That's, like, what they did in the sixties. Like, they had like, I was thinking about this when Ozzy Osbourne died, which is that, like, today, we were so aware of, like, the satanic cults and stuff like that. But, like, when Ozzy Osbourne existed, the like, that was them giving us, like, really good that was them giving us great music and sway at least getting their our influence, getting us to listen to them because they were giving us a good product.
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Like, the day Ozzy died, I had to drive, like, five hours to Germany to go to the the Einens Vanzig Citadel, and I was just fucking jamming Ozzy the whole way. That's cool. Like, it was amazing. I just I had my kids with me, and we were I'd basically, it was,
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marathoning, like, Randy Rhodes stuff. You know, like, I just like, I fuck, dude. Like, mister Crowley, like, I could, like, listen to that. The fairies wear boots, man. What's that?
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Fairies wear boots gets me every time.
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Yeah. So, like, they used to actually deliver with real with good shit. Now they don't they don't provide anything anymore. I mean And yet they're probably at the peak of their power right now. Who? The Satan fucking people. The Satan people.
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The real Satan people. Yeah. I mean
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Yeah. I think we're all on the same algorithm. Yeah. We embed the same things constantly.
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No one's giving us good music anymore. Right? I mean, in terms, like, in, you know, in terms of, like, the old machine. I mean, the The gizzard the machine. The machine is no longer Gizzard Gizzard is not part of the machine there, are they?
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Gizzard's the ween of this generation. I agree. Yeah. I get it. Now they're gonna put out a hip hop album and then a country album. And they're basically just a bunch of rich kids, I think, that are Aussies that just write a bunch of music and just see what happens. And a lot of it is really good. Side note, though. I think they're, like, Trey's favorite band. They're great. Yeah. I know I know I mean, I've seen them a few times, and they're they're great. They're coming back here to Prague in November.
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Nice. Looking forward to seeing Are they doing that? So I just saw them in in Philadelphia a couple maybe three or four weeks ago. And they I hate to say this, and I think I told, you know, fundamentals.
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The story. With the Met?
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They got co opted. It was at the man.
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The Man. And
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so it's, you know, big it's a big big deal. It's a big venue for them. And but they got co opted by some this is my takeaway anyway. They did a joint partnership with a of a local composer or I don't know if she's Australian or American. And they did basically, did they she wrote some really kind of average to below average pop music that they had an orchestra behind them. So that was the that was kind of the selling point that it was it was Gizzard with with an orchestra behind them. Uh-huh. And the first forty five minutes of the show was basically them playing her music with the orchestra. Waiting with giant inflatable alligators ready to go wild. We were yeah. Ready to go wild. And it was, it was underwhelming. Let me just put it that way. But I felt like they got duped because it was the first it it was the first performance with this. It was the first performance of this particular tour.
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Like, I never seen a band like Gizzard before. Like, I've seen bunch of bunch of shows, but I went to Gizzard here in Prague for the first time. My slow lock friend. Like, I had never heard of them. He knew I liked music. We're always talking about it, and he was like, hey. You you should come. I was like, buy the tickets. I'll go. Never heard of them. And we showed up, and, they opened the show and, like, just the place went wild. And it was like, hold I was like, this is a band. Like, yes. And then at some point, I went to the bathroom, and there's just like a a queue, a line of, like, 50 dudes with their shirts off waiting to get to the sink to splash water on themselves because they had, like, been mosh pitting and, like, beat to shit and, like, had so much fun. And, you know, I I almost broke my neck a couple years ago, like, at a concert. Someone jumped off the stage, and I wasn't looking, and they landed on me.
But, like, I stay in the back for that shit. But, again, it was crazy. And then the second time I saw them, it was at an even bigger venue, and it was I mean, the place was going wild, and, like, they're amazing band. And Yeah. Really? Scene is still there. It's like you can see people's tour like, touring, following them all over Europe and stuff. And I think that that's, like, the the most equivalent band to come out of, like, not America that captures the same, like, spirit as Yep. Some of the bands that we grew up listening to What's now going on? They have a they have a full fledged scene. The only thing that they don't really have is the taping and, like,
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that kind of stuff. So Yeah. So the live shows don't exact they
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They do. They're on Nuggs. They they definitely don't know them all. Okay. Yeah. So then they don't know them all. Yeah. Okay. Not every one of them. They have like, Billy Strings, the best Billy Strings show I ever saw is not on Nuggs, and I cannot figure out why.
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Maybe he just show is that?
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Maybe he just Hamburg. Saving it. Hamburg. Saving it or something. Yeah. It was awesome. They have the greatest it's the best band name I think that I've ever heard. Well, what's funny is before Right? Yeah. Before I went to their first You remember one word at least. Yeah. King gets away. Lizard Wizard. It doesn't get better than that. It just does not like, you can't have a better band name than that. Well, before I went to the album artwork as well.
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Cool. Yeah. I'm sorry. And I think, you know, it's alright. And I think wean's a great a great, like, analogy in the sense that, like, they're all over the map. They kinda have a jam, like, very loose feel, but they're not they're not, you know, it's not improvisation. Like, you know, like, we know it. Lovely. Did you know about Ween and Umfries'
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collaboration?
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Mm-mm.
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It was called God boner. This is serious. This is well, it's not serious, but it's it's actually true. They decided to, I think for summer camp do you know do you know what the summer camp festival is? Yeah. Yeah. That's like the big one in Chicago. So, like, Humphrey's heads headlines it. And, It's like Moe and and Biscuits played, I think, last year even. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure I'm right on this, on that it's with summer camp. It might've been locked in or maybe one of these. It was one of these festivals that Ween and Humphreys got together, called under the name God Boner, and did a full show.
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Wow. I did Ween rules. Both their shows. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you remember when Bitcoin was going up to a 100 k, like, making its first big run up, like, earlier in the year, With some buddies of mine, you know, there was, like, the Twitter, one hundred k party that was playing, like, shitty music, and it was it got sponsored by, like, shitcoin exchanges and stuff. So, like, together with my friends, we started, a website, called 1btc1.com. I think it's still live. But, like, you use the Node Runners jukebox where you could pay 21 sats and play whatever song you wanted. And so then we were, like, hosting it on Twitter and, like, you know, running up ours, and we just had, like, a little fun. Like, we were all stuck at home, you know, not traveling or doing anything during that period. We were all friends, just having fun online.
So it was, like, really funny because people were playing, like, you know, they were trying to troll us a bit, you know, which is funny, and they were playing, like, Tom Jones' What's New Pussycat, and so we just, like, embraced it. Like, it was hilarious, and so we then we started playing it. But my buddy, I put on a ween song, and I put on on cover it with gas and set it on fire, and he's, like, lives in the lives in The UK. He's probably gonna hate me for telling this, but, like, he lives in The UK, and he he was like, I can't host it anymore. Like, I don't wanna be associated with it because the Ween song had a line about gang rape.
Oh, yeah. And it was like It's kinda normal for it's standard for Ween. Yeah. But I you know, I grew up not it's a song. You know, Nirvana has songs about it. Yeah. And so it was like, for me, nothing. I was like, what are you it's Wayne. Like, it's a it's a joke. All of their music is absolutely a joke and has humor in it, and it means absolutely nothing. You know? So but it was really funny, but he he we we, you know, said it, but he was in Prague recently for the conference, and I was playing that song again just to mess with him. But, yeah, ween is not everybody's,
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cup of tea. We told a story. I love them. We told them. I agree. I think I told the story here, but we'll repeat it here. You I think Grafton, do you aware that wean hates fish? No. They fucking despise fish, and they have good reason to do so. They do. It's unfortunate and sad, but Phish covered one of covered they just they did such a good cover of one of their songs called roses are free. They did such a Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Phish did such a legendary, like, such a legendary cover of it and and, like, peaked in 1998 at, in Nassau Coliseum, just absolutely peaked. And it's one of those, covers that really sounds like Phish.
And it sounds Phish made it so their own, but then Phish fans were going to Ween shows, like, demanding they play it.
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And Ween just, like, just decided they fucking hate Fish. I mean, I don't know who the fuck these people. Yeah. Wook started showing up at ween shows, and and they were like, what the fuck is going on? And Yeah. Where's Rose? They play because roses are free, and they were like, fuck fish. You hear them in some recordings. It's great. They're like, who who fuck fish. It's just it's brilliant.
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It's funny because, like, Diener, you know, he's friends with, like, Claypool and all those guys, and you I've seen, like, so much stuff they've done together. There's, like, a episode where they go fishing or something. It's like Claypool and and and Dean are just playing guitar and bass out on the middle of a bass fishing boat and stuff. Wow. But, I mean, he's he's amazing.
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Yeah. I think Because we did a whole episode. Easy to find. We did a whole episode with Les Claypool's connection to Trey and Fish and everything like that. And that that was that's clear. And so but a lot of these guys are friends with each other, and they still like, I could see I could see Wayne hanging out with Trey and enjoying going fishing with him, unironically.
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And yet he Billy String's wedding, there was, like, Bob Weir, Trey, and, like, everybody was there. They were like, what the hell? Yeah. They're like anointing some sort of, you know, sun into
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the world of, you know, jam bands, I guess. Hey. Okay. So here's an interesting thing we can discuss. It's recent. It's current event. Okay. And I wanted to talk about this on a prior episode, so let's do that now. Goose. Uh-huh. No. Fuck Goose. Thank thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. This is, John Mayer. We talked a little bit about John Mayer before, but, like, It's not Goose. It's worse than Goose. John Mayer well, John John John Mayer was, you know, Trey had sat in, I guess, on the, Trey was out in San Francisco. I saw the pictures from that recently. They did. I think they did Scarlet Fire and but John Mayer called it, like, one of the greatest moments of his career.
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I didn't know this.
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Prior to this, there was definitely well, there was an Internet created beef between John Mayer and Trey. Because, Trey, in an interview, basically said something about he was talking about John Mayer, and you know Trey how nice fucking Trey is and how much he loves to please people. He doesn't, like, say bad things about people, but he said, literally, he said something I mean, I've seen bittersweet motel. Well, that was yeah. Well, but he said something to the effect. He said just something like just because you play with, like, just because you play with the beat like, you play with, Paul McCartney doesn't make you a Beatle. Something to that effect. I forgot the exact quote. And he would really he was clearly talking about John Mayer playing with the Grateful Dead. Right? And that sounds really insulting.
But and the Internet turned it into a giant beef, but I'm guessing these two guys couldn't give a shit. And John Mayer said it was one of the greatest moments of his fucking life, that playing with Trey. The point. Yeah. Yeah. Couldn't believe it. Yeah. Then, you know, like, if you think you know, look at the people that he's played with. He's played with a larger catalog of people than Trey has.
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Mayer. Yeah. Sure. I mean, my my issue my well, my not issue. I don't have any anything with John Mayer because I just don't know anything other than what, like, his John Mayer music is because when he plays with the dead, like, I don't ever go and listen to, like, dead shows. If I'm gonna listen to the dead, I listen to, you know, I listen to Jerry. And so it's the same with, like, Panic. I don't listen to Jimmy Haring. I listen to Howser Panic exclusively now, you know? Yeah. Even if I go see a Panic show, I still barely would I go back and listen to it. I mean, some of the good ones that I saw, you know, New Year's shows and, you know, there are some good ones, but, like, I default I default to Howser Panic every time. And the same goes with The Dead. So, like, I'm sure John Mayer is good. I've seen some videos on the Internet, you know, where he's playing, you know, a little fraction of a song because that's the society we live in is you only get clips of things now.
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And I think that He's a true star player. He's, like, truly a guy. Story. Yeah. I mean, he I would say if you can like, if you seek anything out online, look at him when playing with, his trio. That's probably really Yeah. That that trio band. I have a colleague
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Yeah. At Vexel. Dave, he's our developer, and, I mean, he's absolutely he loves John Mayer. Like, and he's a very Dave is an amazing talented singer and, you know, guitar player and keyboardist and everything, and, like, he loves John Mayer. And I I we drove, like, to Innsbruck from Prague, which is like eight hours or something, with Dave, and we're both talkative, you know, highly functioning, individuals. And in the car, we're just, like, swapping music back and forth, you know, so I'm, like, exposing him to the biscuits, you know, stuff like, what do you think of this? You know? And he's doing the same for me, and I I had to look at it from a different perspective because, you know, I grew up where we were, like, pop music.
You know? Like, I I listen to real shit, and, you know, from him, he's, like, a very talented musician and all this, and so it was really interesting to hear some of the stuff he showed me. I'm like, yeah.
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John Mayer is hella talented. He's a bit He also listens to a lot of Jacob Collier, I think, as well. Yeah. I never heard of I have a friend. I just had this realization about John Mayer, like like, sort of parallel be proud of me. Kinda parallel Bitcoin where, like, you know, he got into the public eye in a certain way, but he's not who he's not definitely what, like, people think he is. And when you dig in and you kick the tires, it's like he's actually the real deal.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's a he's a guy who writes love songs with a smooth little voice. Exactly. It's like Jack Johnson. A hell of guitar player. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Jack Johnson. I would say John Mayer is probably a better guitar player than Jack Johnson. No. I'm just saying they both pandered. They both pan they both pandered to the the
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the female the female gender knowing that if the chicks love the song, the guys will come. John Mayer went the Billboard route and MTV route, whereas Jack Johnson hit the festival circuit and worked his way up through That's a good point. Pop star in Hollywood. No. That is a good point. That is a good point. But he was a surfer he was a surfer movie guy before it performed music. But
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Alright. Fuck John Mayer now.
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Okay. John Mayer did Chappelle Show back in the day, which is That's right. That was funny. That's right. That's funny. He know well, so he was actually I was so you know, guys, I did stand up, and I was part of the stand up scene a little bit. It was open mic scene. And I remember distinctly that John Mayer was he was trying to be a comedian. I mean, dude, this dude has to be absolutely psychotic. Right? There's a couple of, like, really prominent, well known people who try were trying to be comedians who, like, were doing open mics. Blake Griffin was one of these guys, Mhmm. Who's an NBA player. Yeah. You know, John Mayer, Blake Griffin. They were, like, these really strange celebrities that wanted to do comedy. The fact that Dave Chappelle recognized him and put him on an episode is, I don't know. Pretty interesting.
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Yeah. I mean, Dave Chappelle, like, always put had music on.
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That is true. He had good music. He always yeah. Yeah. This was part of a sketch. This wasn't, like, part of, like, introducing anyone to his music. You know? Yep. This was like a People knew who John Mayer was when he was on The Chappelle Show, I would say.
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Yeah. I would say so. But, I mean, John Mayer could have gone the route of, like, he was a judge on The Voice or something as well. You know? Like Yes. Yeah. He could've He was set up for something like that, and he took a you know, he he smoked a joint and listened to Althea, and the next the rest was history. I think that's the story that we're fed. Right? Oh my god. Well, that's where, like, Trey and him must have connect you know, if they can connect, they're both, you know, recovering addicts.
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And, I'm sure that's a big piece of their, if there is any, like, you know, kinship there I think to overcome that feud.
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The thing that woke me up to, like, fuck. I can't I'm still talking about John Mayer. What's the time stamp here? Fuck. I have to say this one thing, though, is that the thing and I might have said this on our earlier episode. The thing that woke me up to John Mayer with that, like, of being, like, as ridiculously good as he is was I caught a YouTube video of him doing wait till tomorrow, which, I don't know if you guys are familiar to have a deep cut on, I think, bold is love.
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Okay. Hendrix?
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Yes. Hendrix. It's a very Hendrix deep cut. And he I I just he just, like, absolutely shredded it. I couldn't believe what I was watching. You're watching this guy, you know, with these that fucking hair and fucking face. You know? And he's, like, just absolutely shredding this. I've never seen really anybody take a shot at that song to be and there he is. Like, this is the thing. And I don't know. I was really it's sort of blown away. I was like, is it possible that this guy is, like, really? That was your, like, awakening towards, like, wait. There's there could be another non pop side of of this guy. Yeah. That was, like, well, at very least, that there's something very special under the hood even if he is some pop douchebag.
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Exactly. But Prince, like, cut that was literally, the words coming out of my mouth were Prince. Like, Prince is somebody who, you know, you have no idea what he's hiding under his blouses.
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Another 12. Dave Chappelle. Another Dave Chappelle recognized. Very good.
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Motherfucking making those pancakes.
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Yeah. But, like, you know what I mean? Like, there's there's, like, a Prince video. I think it's on YouTube. It's like, well, they do wow my guitar gently Oh, yeah. And, like, everybody's, like, you know, trying to cool it down, and Prince is, like, fuck y'all. Yeah. And then it goes wild, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just absolutely goes wild. And I played the best Super Bowl halftime show ever with Prince. True. 10/3194,
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Trey, looking like he was half out of bed wearing, a sweatshirt whose neck has been stretched out so far. That version of why my guitar gently weeps is like one of the career peaks of Trey, and I we should put that in the show notes. Got it. Ten thirty one ninety four is a very special show. It start it was the Listen. That was like, I've talked about this concept graph. This is like a big connection whereas, like, you know, Satoshi put the white paper out on 10/3190 10/31/2008. Fish started their Halloween tradition on 10/3194 with a white album.
And, you know, these are the these are these little breadcrumbs I like to pick up and say, okay. That's interesting. They both like Halloween. They both and white things. But and to start you know, they both started major something major on Halloween.
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For for me, like, you know, I I grew up around fish. I was exposed to fish very early, especially the the album. I think it's Hoist, I think. Mhmm. Yep. Which is amazing album. '94. Pretty much every song on there is still what you want to hear when you go see a fish show for me. Like, but, you know, my my brother went to Big Cypress in '99. So, you know, my brother was exposing me to music when I was a kid, but then
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Jason hates the first song on Hoist. Sorry. On record, Jason hates it. First song, Julius. Oh, what is yeah. Okay. Yeah. Julius.
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I've been I I haven't listened to Phish. Like, I I do I know pretty much all of Phish po or pre hiatus, which was like, what year was Phish hiatus? It's what we call 01/2000.
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It's like pre basically, pre February.
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Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But
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I That's the first hiatus.
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Panic is the first band that, like, I ever really started stacking notches on the belt, you know, of seeing and putting putting behind. And then, you know, in between, you see shows like Soundtribe or Disco Biscuits or Yonder Mountain or these kind of bands. And, but Phish, I'm I was from the South. I'm from Mississippi, man. So they never really came around. That is true. Very often.
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Not at that era. Rather spend my money than go see Panic.
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You could have gone to the Roxy in '93 and saw that legendary run. Well, I think I'm young. So I'm a little bit younger than you guys, I think, maybe. I mean, I'm 38 this year. So right there, you're the average Bitcoiner. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I found out today that the average age of video gamers is 36, which is, like, really, it dated me fairly easily.
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Hey. I got a lot of friends who are into panic, who are in the Bitcoin scene. I got and so Really? Do do me a favor. Like, sell or, like, make the case to to our wide, vast audience, about panic. And to me, like, I'll go and resubscribe to nugs NugsNet and start going into the rabbit hole. I mean Yeah. I'm already sold to it. Panic.
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Like, Panic is another great band. Songs that make you, like, feel shit. You know, like, every Panic song is written with, like, you know, it's a hot summer day or a cool summer night. And it has that lyrical stuff that you know you enjoy myself doesn't or you know there I'm not saying there's not fish songs without heart or anything in them but it almost seems like a lot of Panic songs are written with, you know, Driving Song is is a beautiful song. And, you know, Ain't Life Grand is, like, you know, the popular Panic song, but it's also, like, behind it. And so you look at the bands also that Panic covers, You know, Blood Kin, you know, they're coming out of this Athens, Georgia music scene, and I think it was always just the the music that, you know, still when I play guitar today, like, Panic is the one that I I feel the most when I sing it, you know.
So for me, that was like you you chase that, you know, you never know what JB's gonna say when he's singing Hatfield is, you know, I know Charlie's mama was a good big old German lady, but like she gave him beer, but did she ever give him anything else? Like I want to find out, and I'm on the edge of my seat for like the wraps that JB's you know little walking over it and stuff. So you know and there's those moments, but once Hauser died, you know, I I seen tons of George Panics, all tons of Jimmy Panics, but the music that that really exposed me to to everything that is that is good was Panic, you know, and that was following down the rabbit hole of their influences as well. But, you know, I I think, I've never grown tired of Panic. I've grown tired of Jimmy Panic, but Howser Panic, like, go back and listen to any of the multitrack releases. I mean, they're they're apps go Carbondale, like, just the first line when JB comes out and says, good evening, Carbondale.
You can feel the the energy in the tent, like, the the that moment there. You know? It was like there's some shows like Oak Mountain 2002 when Hauser was sick, and everybody knew it where, you know, they're playing don't be denied, and the energy from the crowd is like, you don't get crowds like that today. You know? Is you don't see it. I I haven't been to Fishfoot, so I can't compare it, but, like, the crowds in the nineties and early two thousands and that kind of stuff seeing it, there was something different than than I think that there is that exists today. And when I go see Billy shows or disco biscuit shows or something like that, you know, there is that there is still a little bit there, but nothing like, you know, there was and Hauser was around.
And I think for me, that's what Panic is. It's not the shows that are going on and out. Yeah. They're a good band, but Yeah. I always make the comparison. It's like, they they can keep playing, but eventually, they're gonna wind up playing the Silver Star Casino on a Thursday night. And, I mean, that's not a bad thing. Good. But, like, at the same time, I'm I'm not gonna go see them anymore. But right now, the biscuits, like, those dudes are on fire. Like, absolutely.
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I went to the biscuits Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just wanna say that in the nineties, when I so, like, when I went to fish shows in the early to mid nineties, the band that, like, when you go to a show and you meet people and you're like, what music do you listen to, people always talked about Panic. That was, like, that was probably the band that you know, there was, like, Dave Matthews Band was a big one too, I think, at the time. But, like, you know, these are the bands that people talked about, like, this is this is who I go see. Right? Yeah. There's like, Panic was a big you know? They were they were big and established and had a big sound. Like, they had a stadium sound.
But, you know, I remember listening to tapes back in the back back in that time. Yeah. And and then in the February, it became Umfries was the show. It was the band people were talking about at shows. And now I think it's other bands. Yeah. The other bands. Now it's a smattering. I think Billy Strings and things like that. Yeah. Billy's getting a lot of love for sure.
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The g defy, the goose band. I Yeah. Goose is a silly beast. Yeah. I wanna stay on panic for a second just because, you know, through fundamentals and and our our podcast, this podcast, I've never really talked about widespread panic, and they were a huge influence on me. I like, they predate my my interest in widespread panic predates my interest in fish. And, you know, I went when I went to school, you know, came from New Jersey, went to school in South Carolina, and I met some obviously new friends. I didn't know a soul when I went there. Like, not one other person on campus. I didn't know anyone. Like, usually somebody knows, like, somebody, like, I have connection, like a friend of a friend. I knew nobody.
And some of the first people I became friends with, my friend Kevin, who will probably never listen to this, but he might he's a big fish guy, turned me on to the album, every day, which was my first exposure to to watch. Everybody.
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Yeah. And it's
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I mean, I still that that that album still has a and I think, you know, we were talking about, like, you know, Steely Dan, like, composed or, like, there are certain bands that that maybe are really good on records, but aren't great live. Widespread is that like, you were talking about, like, their songwriting and that the actual like, there's actually something there's substance there in the lyrics and the feel of the songs they write, especially on that album in particular. Like Oh, yeah. Like, you know, every day is Like,
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really, please, Hatfield, Wandering, like Yep. Dream Song, that whole album. Dream Song. Yeah. Every song on there is amazing. And, you know, if you put that album on and just listen to the whole thing, you come out a fan. Yeah. And then when you're ready to go to the next step, you light fuse and get away. Yep. Yep. A 100 and and and that was my process. It was from, yeah, from everyday to light fuse.
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And then maybe, what was after that? Until the Medicine Takes was a great album. Oh, yeah. It came soon after that. But I would say every day thousand sounds. Yeah. And and, you know, Mikey was still there, so it was still panic. But I would say every day is like the hoist. Like, you mentioned Fish's hoist. That's why I wanted to bring this up. Like, that's there. You just hit play. The entire album's fantastic.
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Down with disease is on hoist. Right? Yes.
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Yeah. Disease, you got sample in a jar. You got if I could. You got all these, like, kind of, you know That's that's like,
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the last time I saw fish was at Austin City Limits in, like, 2010 or something. I can't remember. I remember that. Yeah. And I vaguely remember that that happened. Yeah. They opened with that one disease, and, I mean, we were we were really close-up, and that that baseline coming in was awesome for sure. But, like That was the getting you know? That was the down with disease was
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the, like, thing at my first show. My first show was, New Year's of ninety three, and that was, like, their first big New Year's gag, quote, unquote, where they put a lot of production into. They made a giant fish tank, and I think they were previewing the video that beeps by destroy and make fun of. Talk about how much it sucks.
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But, Fish is a hard sell for most people, but so is most you know, so is Umfries. You know? And and I think it's Panic is you know, I can classify them as a southern rock band. I mean, I dated a girl here in the Czech Republic, and, you know, she it was when I first kinda moved over here. I was still in massive panicking. You know? I was still flying over to see New Year's shows and stuff. And, I she was like, what kind of music are you into? And she's check girl, and I gave her every day. And, you know, she she came out of it with, you know, like, she loved it. And that was the thing. And then when we went to America, she I took her to America. We went to see Panic in Memphis or, like, South Haven, Mississippi, and it was a 100 degrees outside and, like, summer in Mississippi. And panic was just, like, on ripper, you know, like, heavy. And she was like, what the hell is this? And I think that was, like, what also eventually led to us breaking up because she was like, I didn't expect.
Are you serious? I wasn't expecting that, but, no, not really. Just the whole trip. It was kinda like, you you know, before you marry somebody, you should travel the world with them. Yeah. But, like bullet, sir. I took her to a panic show and I saw her reaction. I was like, no. No. I don't think I can take it out yet.
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Do you guys ever see do you ever see the show Freaks and Geeks?
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A couple episodes. Like a classic
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classic show, and it's only went one season. And, like, the main character is this nerdy kid, and he, like, pines over this cheerleader girl. And he finally, like, get part of the arc as he asks her out and all this stuff. And then they go see the movie The Jerk, and she sits there and doesn't laugh once. And he's just like, this fucking suck and you're fucking
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nobody. Yeah. You're so I live in I live in Europe, and nobody has ever seen a jerk. And I make the reference, like, at least every time I go anywhere, like, I'm constantly making jerk references because, you know, like, whenever I I like, I told you this. I was in the back of a taxi with Adam Back and and Peter Todd, and I was like, I don't know how the hell I got here. I was born a poor black child in Mississippi. And both of them were like, what? And, you know, it's like the I constantly am am making jerk references, but nobody gets it. But that, I think, is one of the movies that also defined my humor. But, like, I saw Steve Martin's band, and, like, Steve Martin kicks ass. Dude.
Oh my god. The book is amazing, and his band rules.
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Like, who how does where does a fucking guy like that come? He's like an alien. You know? Like another one. Like John Mayer. Like, what? He fucking does that?
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Right? Allowed to be able to be good at those two things, playing banjo and
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He's insane on the banjo. But, you know, I had a roommate here in Prague, and, you know, she was like a older lady, and she I used to play, like, ukulele in my room late at night, and she wanted to play an instrument. And, she bought a banjo and learned to play banjo, like What? At 45 or something. And now she's, like, in a band and plays in Prague, like, live everywhere all the time. I think they're called Rodeo Queen. And, like, I was at the Billy Show and Freak. This person's a freak. Berlin, and I spoke we run into her there. I was like, hell yeah. You know? Like,
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I haven't seen her in a long time. Anybody who really could get good at the banjo is a freak. I say this because, like, I played guitar since I'm 10 years old, and I've tried many times to get the banjo, and I just cannot it's like the drums too. Like, I can't for some reason like, I can play guitar. You know? I play drums in a little bit. You know? But, like, I cannot get I cannot make sense out of drums, and I can't make sense off a banjo, and I've tried. Like, I love the banjo. I've tried, and it just never ever it doesn't work in my brain. And so I anytime I see somebody who's good at it, I feel like they're just freak legends. Yeah. It's so impressive to me. Yeah. It's a cool instrument.
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I can't play the guitar. Everybody kinda respects. You know? Like, even if you don't like that kind of music and you hear and you see it and you hear one, you're like, hell yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it's like Czech Czech living in Czech Republic is really interesting because, I've been here so long that I'm kind of like an adopted Czech person, but at the same time, I am exposed to constant, like, you know, I I see what they see, but in a different way. And I have a a really good buddy, and it's just like we have the exact same sense of humor, but for completely different reasons and growing up, you know, in the same things. And, like, he's he's deep techno guy. Grew up, you know, scene scene kid, I guess, which is, like, it's weird to call us scene kids, but that's exactly what we were. We were just following, you know, going to show to show, selling stuff out of our car and, you know, trading tapes and stuff with each other. And, you know, we both work in Bitcoin and, like, it's really interesting to see how we all, like, wind up in these paths. And it's, like, you know, you guys how did you know, you found Bitcoin. Right? And it's part of your your journey to get here.
And, you know, when I look at that, and that's exactly where okay. I don't go to shows anymore, but I go to a lot of events. I go to a lot of meetups. You know, I'm in different cities all over Europe, you know, going to meetups that sometimes it's, like, six to eight people there, and they're just chatting about Bitcoin just in the same way that you and I can chat music all night long. And I think that that peer to peer nature of, like, sharing in the the experience is something that we all crave no matter where you're from or what country, and it's like the I think that that's why we all wound up kinda as Bitcoiners because we understand what's valuable in those kind of relationships.
And I think that, you know, peer to peer electronic cash, and I look at America, and it's a very different type of scene when it relates to Bitcoin. You know? It's like, my dad will ask me, like, who's a good person to follow about Bitcoin news? And I'm like, well, you know, you're in your seventies, so you want someone who's wearing a suit. And, you know, I I don't. I want a guy who's selling Bitcoin keychains out of his backpack at a a meetup or a conference or, you know, selling beef jerky, to his community. And I think that that's, like, where we apply the stuff that we learned as we grew up in this weird peer to peer economy that we were so used to. Wow. Incidentally,
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I I'm gonna be wearing a suit. By the way, I have news. The news is I I finally broke through the conference, conference barrier, and I'm gonna be on two panels at the Canadian Bitcoin conference.
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Nice.
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I might be there, actually. Oh, dude. Oh, yes. Business cat's gonna be there. Boomer, obviously. We're gonna make it an event. Len and Joey will be there. Be there as well.
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Alright. We have a, like, a guy who lives in Vancouver, and he'll be there presenting, I think, something for us as well. So I'm gonna be on one panel with Larry Leppard,
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and, I'm gonna be on another panel. I've I've actually forget the names, but, I'm really actually excited. I can't believe, how excited I am about this.
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That's great.
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Hopefully, get to, you know That's awesome. Make some hay with the book.
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Right. Congratulations.
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That's good stuff. Yeah. Thank you. And, you know, maybe your dad can find, you know, he can find, you know, I don't know, find a suit guy like myself at that time. And then, you know, one day I'm gonna wear a suit, and the other day I'm probably gonna wear my rock paper Bitcoin T shirt that I'm wearing right now. Yeah. You should wear that shirt both days.
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I would know I should wear it over my suit. You know? Really? There's no need to wear a suit to a Bitcoin conference.
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But, yeah, man. I think You're probably right.
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I like wearing suits sometimes. In Finland, the organizer of the conference was wearing a bathrobe for two days. So Finland's the other place that I'm actually planning. That's my I'm definitely going to Finland next year. I don't remember. Good shout out to Finland that because, I don't know if this my audience here, our audience, our wonderful audience here knows that, my book is in the process of being translated into Finnish, and they're they're gonna buy the rights to it and, to sell it in a sell a Finnish version. And so, like, for me They can read it in a soul, no? They're they're literally, like I've I've sold, like, 70 copies over Amazon, like, not very many. But, like Oh, yeah, dude. But, like, the fact that Finland has come to say we like this book, like, I automatically like Finland. I mean, how could I not? Right? And now I'm like good country.
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The people are really great. They are you know, it's like a mixture of Swedish chef from the Muppets and or from yeah. And, like, just happy individuals. I I really like the Finnish people.
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I hope to get to know them. Yeah. I hope to get to hope to spend some time up there, honestly. And it's like a, gonna be like the David Hasselhoff of Finland.
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Well, Luke Luke lives there. Hope. He loves it. Does he? And I think that was, like, he was so proud to show us all Helsinki where he lives. I mean, I mean, we Oh, Luke Luke DeWolf.
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Luke DeWolf. Yeah. Yeah. I thought you meant Luke De Ash for a second. No. He lives in the back in the, like, Everglades with his 12 kids in the house trailer or something, I think. He literally lives in the he he lives where Big Cypress, I guess, then takes place. So he sees maybe cross paths with the energy.
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Yeah. Yeah. Maybe some of his yeah.
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The Finns are famous because they, a lot of you know, very few people know the reason why there's so many good race car drivers that come out of Finland is part of their driving test is, out in the snow, and they have to know how to do, like, certain, like, j turns and Mississippi. Yeah. I'm just But, like,
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some of in Prague. We get, like, a week of snow a year. I have to deal with it, and I hate it.
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Yeah. But, the Finns are funny. I've just gotten to know that, like, those those, you know, race car driver personalities are always legendary. Like like, everyone knows who Kimi Raikkonen is and Mika Hakkinen and all those all those guys with similar sounding names.
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Timo Soleani. This is like, there's an NHL ninety four connection to Canada and Len Len the legend. Shout out. We might try to do a NHL ninety four little tournament. If we're up there, I'll bring my Sega Genesis console and, try to get try to get a little video game hockey tournament going. That's cool. Still have a a working Sega Genesis? I bought I bought it, like, two Uh-huh. When I when I met Len, I bought the console. Then I was like, I'm gonna beat your ass in hockey one day.
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But yeah. So gamers gamers, I read today, 36 is that age. Yeah. We were
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yeah. Yeah. It's Big gamers, man. Something that's occurring to me, I guess, that I'll just just to bring to the theme of what we like to talk about here. You know, I when I got into Bitcoin, which was not that long ago, it felt a lot like 1994 to me. It, like, felt like all the tools I was using. You know, like, back then, it was, like, text browsers and, you know, IRC and bulletin boards and you know? Like, it just felt a lot the way I felt in 1994. Yeah. The thing that's different that I think is so fucking awesome is how, it's the whole world. Like, in 1984, I still even with the Internet, I still really only was talking to people in The US for the you know? It was amazing to talk on IRC to people that were, you know, you know, not in Philadelphia or whatever. Right? But, like I mean is worldwide.
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It's cool. That's the the weirdest thing is one of, like, my oldest friends, really, I met him on, Xbox playing Halo, and we were friends for, like, seven or eight years, and then, we knew each other. And then he was in, like, culinary school out in San Francisco. And so I was like, yo. Do you wanna go because we chatted. We were he liked to sing music, all this kind of stuff. And, I was like, yo. Panic is playing at the Greek Theater three nights. You wanna go? I'll fly out there. And so he picked me up from the airport wearing, like that was my first time in California. I was, like, probably 17 or something. Wow.
And, you know, he picked me up, and he's wearing, like, his culinary outfit. Or no. I was maybe 18. Yeah. Looking like street shit. Was like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, I just left a wine tasting class, so I'm a little bit tipsy. And, you know, we get on the, like, freeway, and it's, like, double decker, you know, bridges and all this kind of shit. But we went and saw Panic at the Greek Theater for, like, three nights, and, you know, we've we've kept in touch even now. We chat, you know, every now and then, but, you know, he's a Bitcoiner. I've stayed at his place, and he lives in New York City. He's, like, a a chef now for one of the big, like, I think, like, the food delivery things, like, the things where they send you all the ingredients and you, like, put them together and cook it yourself. Yeah. Like the fresh delivery stuff. Look. They had a lot of posse sponsor, like, a lot of they sponsor a lot of He designs, like, all of the the presentations for that. But, I mean, that's the you know, my first and I went to boarding school, and so I met people from all over the world, you know, very young. And in boarding school, like, I ran, you know, a CD burning empire out of my bedroom or my dorm room where, you know, I'm, like, getting in trouble with the IT department at the school, like, almost expelled because I ran, like, a HTTP tunnel, and I was, like, downloading movies and, you know, music and everything through the the tunnel, you know, through the VPN or the, like, the big firewall that they had.
And, you know, I always was into the technology, you know, trying to figure out how to do computers, and that was also, you know, with the music industry, and what I was following into that, you know, it was a different scene, so we were sharing files through computers, you know, as soon as we could because somebody went to a show and they taped it. I want that tape, and I I don't wanna have to go to you and get it. So we gotta figure that out. And so that's how we kind of, you know Yeah. Eitri. Like, BitTorrent was amazing. It was fucking amazing for for downloading shows and not having to beg a taper for it. It was, like, really frustrating. Podcast in, like, 02/2005.
It was called the Panic Attack Wow. Because I was a radio DJ on my local hometown state. I have never told this on a podcast before.
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I was a Do do do do do. Radio DJ
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for WZKR one zero three three Meridian's hometown station, The Art of Great Music. He's still good. And it was like a classic rock radio station, but every Friday night, I had a show on the radio for for two hour block where I played nothing but live Widespread Panic. That's great. Nothing. And I recorded it all, and it was back in the early days of, like, I had, you know, the mixer shit in my bedroom, you know, like, mixing tracks and, you know, building out my favorite, you know, creating my own versions of shows that I loved, you know. And the radio signal reached, like, Birmingham or, Tuscaloosa, Alabama. So, you know, it was like the University of Alabama.
So I would, you know, I was huge into that and, you know, figuring out how to tape the shows and share them and get that out and all that kind of stuff because that was what we did. We built empires of our badass music, you know, like Exactly. Because we wanted to have it. So, like, you know, the computer allowed me to organize every single show that I had ever been to and, you know, keep track of everything. I think that without that, like, that's the best tool that we've ever had. You know? IPods managing my iPod once that came out was amazing.
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People don't understand, like, what you had to do before they the iPod is probably the most, like in terms of, like, what you would call force projection or what you know, how like, turn like, you know, the thing that no one could conceive. Like, I used to dude, I lived in New York, and I I went to a party at a guy's house who had an actual jukebox. And I was, like, the main, like, it was the main attraction of this party was he had his actual jukebox in his house. And it was cool. Right? And it was a bowling alley as well. Real fucking jukebox. Yeah. And, dude, like, for the Cotton candy can't even put that. This thing was huge. This thing took up an entire Darts.
Dude, like, New York apartments are not big. They're all very small. And this jukebox took up, like, probably, like, 8% of the entire apartment was taken up by this jukebox. I mean, the iPod was on the great neighbors. Speaking of radio shows, just I gotta shout out, shout out my bud, Richard Greaser. Monday nights, he does a radio show, and it's actually it's good, and he's, like, really showcasing his ability. A music show, you mean? Like a like a It's a music show. Yeah. Music show. Like Yeah. His ability to sit there as one guy doing his own show, and it's impressive, and it's good.
I think it's it's on zap.stream. So everybody check it out on Monday nights.
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I when I when I did that, I was 17 years old. I had the keys to an old house in the city center of, like, my old tiny or, like, not tiny, but Old City, Mississippi at seventeen on a Friday night and the owners of the station were old heads like you know they were called the most hair on the air because they all had like ponytails and long hair and stuff and they were in bed like they they never listened to the show, and they just trusted me unconditionally. So, I mean, like, every Friday night, I would have my friends down to the station, and we would, like, you know, we were, like, smoking weed and talking on the radio. And, I mean, that was just, like, where do you get that? Like, where do you have that opportunity?
And I can't believe that I did that. Like, I cannot believe that I did that. Do you have any footage? Man, I wish I could find my oh, I definitely at my parents' house, there's some old hard drives that have some dust on them somewhere that have everything,
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but I would have to spend some time digging. If you can ever find it, let me know. We will attach
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it back to this episode when Yes. When we get you know? Because Yeah. Oh my god. How cool would it be to listen to? I could find it. Yeah. I bet I can't imagine what I sounded like. But, I mean, I was a I was a big Panic fan. You know? So, like, I knew every line. You know? I had my little notebook that I took to every show that I wrote down every song. And, I mean, you know, all I needed to hear was a millisecond of a of a song to call it. Yep. Yeah. I was I get it. At that level.
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I am that way with Phish. I it's a bar trick. It's a bar trick. Like, I Mhmm. I impress the people in my section. Like, when they scream the song. And then they're trying to do it, but can you get it right? I can feel it. Like, I have this skill where I can almost feel it before they play the first note. And sometimes I do get it right, and people are like, holy shit. Oh my fucking god. You know? Fun to it really gets everybody excited in your section when you just call the song before they even play the note. Tell him, you gotta go see the biscuits, man. So okay. Let me say now let let me say I did I have seen the biscuits. Yes. So have I. Only but it's a such a long time ago. Yeah. I don't even know Long time ago. I don't even know how old you were, but in 1998 Yeah. It's a long time ago. I saw them in the wetlands opening I think I taped the show. I gotta dig in. I know I taped, the Omni Sea pod. Quality is great. I well, I plugged in good mics? It plugged well, I plugged into the sound booth at the wetland at the wetlands. Hell, yeah. Give me that. Dig that out. If If if I find I I know I taped the the Seapod Show I went to go see. If you ever heard of that band, the Omni Seapods, they had a little run. They were one of those bands in the late nineties that were really cool.
Anyway yeah. So the I mean, I I feel like I could I just picture this guy in, like, the mechanics uniform. Like, the the guitar player of the biscuits always impressed me. That guy, like, always impressed me. Was impressed. Barter Barter's a badass. I mean, he's he's he's had
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he had some phases where he was really, really terrible, and out of tune, as I said before, but, like Yeah. I mean, right now, they are on fire. I mean, they're absolutely crushing it. I went to Iceland in 2023. That was amazing, and then I've listened to, you know, every single show since then. I mean, anytime I'm in the car or if I'm going for a run, they're a great band to run to. That's for sure. We're a couple of singers.
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How were the Ardmore shows? I haven't checked them out. I assume you've listened to the whole great. Where they Oh, that happened. That was that was a that was a small room. Very small room. Yeah. Six nights. Yeah. So you can see why there's the room is so small that they were the last time I was there, they were very concerned that my mask was above my nose.
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Oh, yeah. That's right. You don't like the argument. Not forgiven them. I, honestly, haven't forgiven. I use you know? Well, they're out in Montana now at the Pine Creek, which looks amazing.
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I I had this pop personal policy that, like, like, any place that asked for some fax, information, I refused to show it. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. And so when I went to these places, there was always some You guys would've hated it here. It was always some friend that just found he'd like some friend that's like, oh, here's his card. And he, like, put pulled his phone up. That's how stupid this was. Yeah. He he faked those cards. No problem. And so I was like, alright. Fine. Whatever. We'll just get in the show, and I'm never I'm not gonna deal with this again. And then they're telling us, we're above the nose. I'm like, fuck this fucking place. I'll have more news out of here. Did I got told to put my mask up in the middle of a park by a police officer,
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like, 300 meters away. And, like, I was, like, walking my dog at, like, nine in the morning in the middle of nowhere. The guy was like
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It's like those clips from Australia.
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Put your mask up. Are you kidding me? You know, like, here, it was pretty bad, I would say. But Czech Republic had, like, I think the second most deaths per population in the world or something or maybe the first. I think it was, like, one of the worst places for it. But I mean, here, I remember we they were like, oh, yeah. We celebrated. We did well, and they built a An hour in? Should can I start digging into these deaths and start questioning them? Which ones? The report It's gonna factory. You could open that whole rabbit hole. No. But that's what I'm saying. It's like they they opened the the they were, like, celebrating the end of COVID, and they put, like, a party on the bridge, the Charles Bridge. They put, like, a big table across the whole distance, which is, like, a kilometer long and put a table over it. Been to Prague. Yeah. And invited, like, everybody to bring food down and celebrate the end of COVID. And then, like, the next week, like, the the numbers were the highest of all time, and I was like, this is a false flag. Like, you know, it was like Totally. You know, they they rounded us all together, and then now they convinced us that we're all sick. But, I you know, it was pretty bad. You had to have a a QR code to go into any sort of restaurant or anything like that. I mean, Philly is like travel here, but I mean that's it.
Everybody was faking it. But once the QR code thing kinda went out, it was really hard to fake that.
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Can I tell a Prague story real quick? I went to Prague in 1996. I could tell one story. I intentionally did not tell this on our phone call. But, in 1996, I was, kicked off of a bus in Prague for, whistling. And, it's this is more about how fucked up I and how autistic I must have been because I was Were you whistling? I this is the I was whistling night light my fire, and, like, I was literally, like, six minutes in. I was, like, six minutes in, like, well into the solo, well into it. And, like, finally, the guy had had enough. Fucking driver. He was in, like, a Oh, man. He had to get out of the bus to come into, like, the passenger section. Right? So, like, he gets out of his little driver door. He stops the bus, and he walks up to me and just goes, and then he points out the door. Just points.
And That's wild. Basically, that was that was checked for, hey, whistle boy. The fuck off my bus. I will stop this bus right now if you don't stop. I had no idea where I was. Bus over. I had no Internet. Ain't no whistling on this bus. No fuck. Dude, no Internet. No idea where the fuck I was, and no idea where they left me. Well,
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don't be whistling around these parts, man. For sure. I mean, it is There's a lot of worse songs you could have been whistling.
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Yeah. So, Grafton, so what do you know about the band Electron?
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Never heard of them. Wow. Okay.
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Because it's half Electron? It's it's half VSCO. It's Really? The drummer from Lotus and Tom Hamilton, if you know Tom Hamilton from J Rad.
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No. Who's from the biscuits?
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It's, it's the keyboard guy and Brownie. I always forget the keyboard guy's name. Wagner. But they play the I mean, I don't know. When did they are they playing, like, soon? I I think they only play Ardmore. I don't think they've ever toured, but they've, They're up to date on their vaccinations, clearly. They are up to date on their vaccinations. And, they mix in a little bit of, like, brothers past. I don't know if you know that.
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But check out Electron. You should check them out. Yeah. I'll check them out. I mean, the the tractor beam stuff is good. I was building a a playlist to go travel. You know, flying on an airplane is the only time now where I'm like, alright. I'm gonna be without Internet. I can't stream, so I have to build something. And, now you can just America, they have Wi Fi on all the planes, but not over here. But I found old, like, biscuits playing, like, perfume shows, which is, like, where they the venues had a policy where the same band couldn't play, like, so many nights in a row, so they would change their name. And so there was, like, Biscuits, and then there's Tractor Beam, and then they played shows as the perfume.
And they did, like, complete total, like, different versions or styles or genres of their songs.
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And What would be their motivation for a rule like that?
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I guess because they don't wanna be seen as, like, having a a house band or something. I don't know. But They don't wanna be like they don't wanna encourage That's the legend anyway. But that those perfume shows are hilarious. I think they just don't want Wooks to, like, fucking start
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moving in. In there. Right?
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Well, that was that was what was so crazy, though, as going to see Billy Strings is I took, two of my Czech and Slovak colleagues to Munich to go see Billy Strings, and they had never been to anything like that before. You know? So, like, we're going. We took the train over there. You know? We had a great time, and then we went to the show. And we, yeah, we had a anyway, standing outside the the show, I was so overjoyed and surprised to see Wooks everywhere and, like, people you know, there was, like, a little mini lot at the Billy Street show in Munich, and it was just, like, Americans for sure had just transplanted. I was like, yeah. Like, it's weird. And then when we were in the the stairs, it was, I guess, December. It was, like, my birthday and the first time I saw Billy Strings.
And we're standing in the stairs, like, going down the coat check or something, and the people are, you know, walking out. I was like, this is the scene. This is it. Like, this is it feels like it. You know? And so, like, people are on the stairs, and I hear somebody go, Molly, those are nuggets. And I died laughing just like I'm like, yes. In any language, it is so funny. No matter where you are in the world, dude, fucking doses. Molly Dose's.
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Molly Dose's nuggets. Yeah. Was there I was gonna ask you if there was a Shakedown Street. Was there a Shakedown Street? Because that yeah. It's like Not You know, the visual aesthetic of, like, this is a scene. Usually, it's you guys Well, over here, it's
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it's funny because, like, we went to Hamburg, and Hamburg is, like, a a a like, a little red light district is where the show where they were playing, like, Gross Fate, which is, like, where the Beatles played back in the day, Billy Strings. So we went up to Hamburg, and, like, you know, we're walking around before the show. We're in the Red Light District, and we find the place for where Billy Strings is, and there's just, like, a queue of people, and all of them have, like, tanks of nitrous oxide and they're like people with balloons in their mouth, like, queuing up waiting in line for the Billy Show. I was like, what the fuck? I just called Fatty. You know, like, I'm in Hamburg, Germany right now, Deutschland, and there's people like, you know, what is going on? And, you know, the same is, like, in Iceland, you know, there was there was memes running at the same time, you know, like biscuits memes, and it was like, oh, you know, Iceland is completely sold out of drugs.
And, you know, it was like because it's such a small country with a small amount of people, it's like the Biscuits played three nights there, and it's like, what the hell happened to the city? But I would say the the the show's there, I think the people were, like, super respectful for you know, Biscuit fans get a bad rap. But freeze did that. Did that. Yeah. Yeah. They did. If you ever get the chance to go see a band in Iceland, go. It's the top three trips I've ever done in my life. It was amazing. We were there for like ten days and we had three nights of biscuits and then we like traveled around a bit.
It was amazing. Amazing. Like the people that I met at the show, like I talked to them yesterday. Oh that's great. Yeah. It was amazing. My buddy, I went through the RC Drive By Truckers in Berlin and I went by myself and, you know, I had like rolled a joint, you know, hoping to make a friend. You know, because I was alone. So I, you know, I like pulled out a joint, and I like talking to this guy. I was like, Hey, man, you have a lighter? Do you wanna go smoke a joint? He was like, Hell yeah, I'll go with you. And he became one of my best close, great friends that I've had in a long time, and I met him in a show, his name's Cookie, and, he's like a glass blower that lives in Berlin, works for, like, a big, you know, international bank, and, you know, he's from you know, he's seen fish 100 times, you know, the dead, everything, and, just like good dude. So we we stayed in touch, and I was like, hey. You wanna go to Iceland? He's like, hell yeah, man. Dude, what a great chance encounter. What a great fucking Yeah, dude. I've been to People Billy tour in Iceland, and then I we've seen he's coming to see Gizzard here in November.
Sweet. And, I mean, we've I've been up to see, like we saw Jason Isbell, you know, a bunch of stuff in Berlin together. So
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Sturgill. Yeah. And what'd you say his name was? Because he's the man. His name is his name's Cookie? Because that's my nickname that my wife gave me. Mhmm. Is is that what he goes by? Or, like, when he goes to I'm sure it's not when he goes to the bank I like It's it's it's not His name is Cookie. I won't box him any more than that. Okay. That's his nickname, but but he doesn't that's not his, like, like, professional name. I just wanna be clear that it's not, like, lost his job. I mean, it is kind of his professional name. Not at the bank or anything, but it is kind of his professional name. That was the name of Magic Johnson's wife.
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He's a glassblower. A very good one.
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So my fave you know what? My favorite band that's not Phish, I guess, and not on Fris McGee is my favorite band of, like, the up and comer jam scene is TAK, t a e Oh, TAK rules. Dude. They did the Iceland thing. Did they? They played Iceland. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I fucking love that band. And I've seen, you know, they're the one of the They're just high, progressive rock instrumental. Totally. You know, they're one of the few bands I've seen mostly because they opened for Omfries a number of times. Yeah.
They're incredible.
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And they have no lyrics. Is that what I heard? I could get into that. They're just They have no lyrics. One of my favorite
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things by them, Their version of Eleanor Rigby is, like, is incredible.
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It's to them, it really showcase They definitely jam. Yeah. They're they're heavy progressive rock, though. I mean, it's like,
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Yes. That's my shit. Like, I would say that, like, of anything is, like, my shit. Like, guitar forward, but, like and you gotta look at them. You gotta that that's a band you gotta see because their drummer, Isaac, plays the drums in in incredibly charismatic way. And I don't know how else to say it, but, man, I think Jason know what I'm talking about. Jason's a drummer, by the way. Very good drummer. I am a drummer. Yeah. I don't know how good I am, but I'm a drummer. He's a very good drummer. He can hold it down. I'm not anymore. I was in the marching band. There's a drummer back in the day. But do you ever see the meme where the guy it says this guy is at the wrong gig, and it says drummer. He's just, like, losing his fucking That's Jason? That's what no. That's Isaac. Talk. That's what Isaac that's what Isaac looks like playing the drums and talk.
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Yeah. And he's just like in a wet and wetty band just, like, going wild. You don't see black guys in jam bands too often unless they're from I think he's Fishman. He's even got the he's even got the mug there. Fishman Fishman's a fucking tree stump, dude. Like, he doesn't he looks like he's not moving at all somehow. Dude, he is like a he's like, his name should be Bob. I mean, he has, like Bob Weaver. He's shaped just like like a cartoon.
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He is. He's shaped like no. He he's shaped like captain caveman.
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Yes. He's important. It's also it was better when he had the weird hair. Like, his short hair is is weird. Captain caveman is like
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Yeah.
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He has, like, a low center of gravity. Like, he's, like, designed to be, like, a drummer with just four limbs extending outward from a, like, a a singular He's like Doc Ock. Like, you know, the but he he looks like he's honestly like the vacuum cleaner that he connects. That he plays. That's good. He looks like an Electrolux vacuum.
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Yeah. I hope the fish ever finds our show that they find this episode above all else, and this is what they hear, dude. This is like now. I know this is how it's gonna go. Paige McConnell looks like a a guy who would play keyboards
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as a Muppet character.
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Yes. As a Muppet. Good. Yeah. Yeah. We we are roasting we are roasting fish now. Here it is.
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And and Trey just looks like the Simpsons version of it is all I can see when I look at him. Yeah. Well, my favorite description was Les Claypool when he was interviewed when they were
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doing
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less.
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Man.
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Well goofy. They are a goofy looking band, and we didn't even talk about the goofiest looking one of them all. Mike Gordon, it looks like he was not born on this planet. Yeah. He has the weird he has the weird short haircut now, which, like, completely ruined his vibe.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. That's Yeah. But he's playing he's playing, like, the best he's ever put, like, or seemingly the best that I've ever experienced. He dresses kinda like a guy who watches, like,
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the Chopper show.
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Yes. Yeah. Orange County Choppers. Like, he's like, he's watching his son. He's like, you're doing it right now. He seems like he would watch
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Orange County Chopper, or maybe he's like a relative of someone who is on that show is what he looks like now. He's just Sorry. I'm frightening. He's frightening looking. You know? I'm just roasting your favorite man. No. But, I mean, that's what we're doing, dude. I mean We're big corners.
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Dude, I can anything I do ends up turning into a roast anyway.
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You know? It's Well, I mean
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And, dude, who doesn't love making fun of fish anyway? Right? Who fucked that? That's, like, part of the deal. If you're taking it seriously, you're doing it wrong.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I mean, they jump on trampolines. Exactly. In the show. During the show. Yes. Yes. They do. And they sing songs about lizards and Gamehenge, and, you know, like, sometimes they they fucking rule. I mean, that's the truth. And I mean, there there's actually, you know, if you have some good stuff, I haven't fallen down the the because FISH is I've been out of the game so long with FISH that I have no idea where to begin. You know, I can go back and try to hunt down stuff that I used to like. But to be honest, like, I don't have any of it on my radar much at all. So if you've got some good shit
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I would go with Trey Band Trio, and I'm gonna send it to you your way on NugsNet, some NugsNet links. I may actually reboot my NugsNet just to do this. But, like, tray tray band you don't have to send it on Nugs, like, if you just tell me that they don't know. Easiest way to to it's just the easiest way. But, like, tray band trio to like, it like, if you wanna, like, bypass the weird goofiness of fish and just deal let's just get right to the fucking heart of the matter and trade just ripping, being, like, fucking shit. Wanna hear something, like like, that reminds me of what like, the nostalgia
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is what I want. I get you. I get you. Nostalgia hunt. You know, that's like fish for me is That's hard to do. White Isuzu rodeo.
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Yeah. You know, like, that's how I feel. They're not that band anymore. They're not the band from the nineties anymore. So Yeah. I mean, it's not gonna be hard to do. But the sound, I think the closest thing you'll get would be from Trey's Trey's own projects. Yeah. Because that's, like, still very much Trey. And I still think that Trey is a big part of what the band was. What's that I still thought of it Bonnaroo.
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That makes sense. You you probably did. Yeah. Or early Bonnaroo. You're probably right.
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Like, 2002 Bonnaroo. Bunch of those damn things.
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Yeah. Bonnaroo is But I but I should point to Vivinta, Chris. Twiddle? This is my other question. Is did you guys I mean, Twiddle. You guys like Twiddle? Because I love Twiddle's alright. I don't listen to them, but they're all I wish they were still playing, and I could go see shows. Because Who's the other band that also quit?
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Twiddle and, there's one more that's like them.
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I'm sure there are many that have quit. Yeah. Oh, okay. I'll think of it in a minute. But, like, of that, look, I act I, that's my other like, that's my one, like, white whale. Like, I a band I love that I never got to go see. Yeah. I'm thinking, like, dopapod maybe, but I don't know who else. Like, I crushed like I crushed Nuggs Neck catalog on Twiddle. I think I've probably listened to every show in the last, you know, four or five since 2019.
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Yeah. I had friends that were really into Twiddle. But I still think Big Cypress is the if you want nostalgic fish and it, like Yeah. You're, like, compressed into, like, really just stellar versions of whatever they were playing. I think that that midnight set, that seven hour set, at least the front, maybe three hours of it, which is scattered all over YouTube.
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Ten thirty one ninety four is definitely a show to listen to. That is a good one. Yeah. Ten thirty one ninety Ten thirty one ninety four. If you like the Beatles. Well, the first set is probably the first set features some of the greatest versions of Trey soloing on any of, like, the Oh, I didn't know that. Guy. So that whole show is good. Not just the not just the costume. Okay. That's right. That's what I'm talk I'm oh, Spafford. I love them. Oh my god. They they also want they went away too? They're still around now. I was just listening. No. They're just listening to them. They're still touring. They are? Yeah. They you know what? They were they were here in that, so that place that just twiddled. It went away. Jason, remember that place I remember when I saw that Phish cover band, Rift?
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Yes. In Wayne? In Wayne. Spafford was Spafford was actually on the It was, like, calendar there. Interesting. And pigeons playing ping pong. I guess I didn't love them that much. Pigeons playing ping pong is, I don't Have you ever seen them, Grafton? Have you ever seen them? No. I haven't seen the I've seen what is the dogs one? Pile of dogs or whatever. No. I don't know. In a pile. Dogs in a pile. Dogs in a pile. I've seen them. But but I haven't seen Yeah. Pigeons is like I can't you talk cool. We were talking about the over the top drummer that's, like, way, like, the front man drummer. The lead guy in pigeons, I walked into a show once, and mind you, this is after Phish. It was in Atlantic City. After Phish one of the Phish runs. I think it was a beach run. It was it was, like, within the last few years.
And I had to immediately fucking walk out because the lead singer was so animated, and his head was so big compared to his body. Like, he He was 22, Jason. 22. It was August 13,
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fourteenth, fifteenth. I think So you remember this?
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Did you go to did did you go to pigeons? How do you know this? No. Because that was, But I think that's right. My birthday.
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What about Eggie?
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Who's that? Never heard of him.
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Never heard of him? No. I think Brownstein's like nephew or something. I don't know. He's cousins or something.
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Eggie rules. What's the connection to Philly with disco biscuits?
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I don't know. Are they supposedly from Philly or they camp out? Yeah. They're from Philly. I don't know. They're from they're from Philly.
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Like, Brownie like, that's why they play Ardmore. Like, that's why they only play Ardmore when they do the electron setup because they're down the street. I'm down the road. With some biscuits. During Hanukkah and Christmas is when they do it.
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You'd so I guess something about myself, it's kinda lame, but I'm not, like, a big drug guy with with regard to music. And I don't so it's like, there's a lot of bands I should have gotten into, but, like, I just
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couldn't stick it and hang it. That's what I should have. So what you're saying is Biscuits is a drug band, but Phish isn't?
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Phish is a drug band. Phish is a drug band that somehow bypasses my need. My bypasses my need for drugs to I'm not not a drug guy. But when I when I listen to disco biscuits when I listen to disco biscuits, I hit a point where I'm like, I must need to be on drugs to continue
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beyond this point. That is a that is true.
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Yeah. There A friend of mine, Italian, Bitcoiner,
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was traveling in America. That's his name? I thought you were talking to me, but I just doxed my I just doxed my I'm not gonna say his name.
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I'm not gonna say his name. But he was traveling to America, and he was staying, like, at somebody's house, and they couldn't they had two tickets to go see Phish over, like, the New Year's weekend or whatever and at Madison Square Garden. And they was like he was like, I can't go, so please take these two tickets and go to the show. And he was like, who the hell is Phish? And he's telling me the story. Like, you know, we're at a conference somewhere, and he's telling me the story. Is his name Billy Joel, by any chance? No. And then you've seen you've seen Phish. This is crazy. He was like, yes. I got there. He's like, it was the greatest night ever. He was like, I I was there. And then the person next to me was like, do you want some MDMA? And then the next person was like, do you want some LSD? And, like, basically, he was like, every single person around me offered me drugs because they're like, what is this crazy Italian guy doing at fucking fish at Madison Square Garden?
Like Sounds like how he would Dan would ask that question too. Do you want He had so much fun. He was like, that was the best. He was like, it was one of the best nights ever. So was he was he dressed up like a pizza? Like like a pizza like a pizza chef? Like, how did how did he No. How did he look like? Jeans and a hoodie. Oh, okay. Go ahead. It's like the does Italian guy He's a normal he's not like a guy with a bowler hat and, like, you know, drinking espresso or anything. That's cool. With a mustache. I took my dad to a physio on in 2019,
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and all kinds of people were offering him MDMA too. And he loved it. He felt so young by be being offered drugs by so many people.
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I would say, like, every band is a drug band.
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It's not true. I like that. I think Fish is a everyone does that. Episode called Fish is a Drug Band and Bitcoin is a Scam. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah. What does it even mean? It means there's human beings there because, like That like to enhance their experience of music. You know? Yeah. But it also seems like there's people doing that everywhere. But I would say that but we so here's something I would definitely a a point we've made on the show before. And with Phish, they may be a drug band because that's what people like to do. But the music is always, like, music is always front and center. Meaning okay. No matter and that's not true of all these bands. A lot of the bands Yeah. People people go for the explicit purpose of getting fucked up.
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That's, like, what I always love to see, like, on on any sort of, like, Twitter or, like, Instagram or whatever is, like, the people filming, like, the security guards who are watching, like, the twirlers in the back who were just, like, meaningless, just turning around in circles and dancing like absolute, you know, idiots. And the security guard
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I had a security guard hug me, like, hug me during a fish show. Like, we were in Madison Square Garden, and they go into the, good times, bad times. It's like, Yeah. And then he when the security guard figured out they were doing this Led Zeppelin, whoever, he just started going, fuck. Yeah. And he was right next to me. And I'm on the aisle, so and I guess I'm older, you know, and just decided to give me a fucking hug.
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Well, that's like Iceland. Iceland, I don't think they've ever had to deal with something like like, you know, the biscuits coming to town because, like, there there is security? What security? Like, there's no we're checking tickets. You like, you have a ticket to the show, but no one ever checks it because it's on an absolute trust based system because it's Iceland. So, like Iceland knows You know, you walk into the show and you just, like, you go to your seat, and there's never anyone giving you any sort of problem whatsoever. But, like, you know, it's the most beautiful theater I've ever seen in my life. Like, it's like I've seen pictures. The glass all around and the sun you know, it's summer, so the sun's out at, like, midnight.
But the inside is, like, this dark blood red color, and it's, like, so high up. And in the balcony, you know, the very, very top balcony, there were all the twirlers. Like, the you know, like, not the twirlers, but, like, the the people who need space to dance. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And then, like, the security guards, I don't think they had ever seen something like that in a beautiful opera house that, like, yesterday had, you know, the Philharmonic there and, like, the average age was, you know, all of the only old people in Iceland now. But, like, I think,
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you know, seeing Four hundred pound woman singing an opera solo.
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Yeah. But seeing the biscuits in a place like that, it was incredible because you're in Iceland, but also, like, the weather outside is unpredictable. So you're in this show, you come out, and you're with 2,000 other people, and you have no idea what the weather is gonna be like on the outside. There's no coat check. It's like you have a coat hanger. And so everybody's, like, all at once getting their jackets on. There's these huge sliding, like, glass doors, like, the, you know, that would be, like, the automatic ones. Yeah. And so there's all these people dressed up ready to go, and then the doors swing open, and it's just, like Magic. Sideways, sweet wind just like blowing like crazy. And it was the greatest thing ever because everyone is after just having their faces melted at the biscuits.
Yeah. You know, in the state of mind, and we're all descending on, like, this tiny little Reiki of it. You know? And it's like everywhere you go, it's just like crazy biscuits people who had just had the time of their lives. And they you know, the next day, we woke up, went for a hike, got naked, got in the river because it was, like, filled by the low volcanoes. And you get to the show the next night and your the people who were sitting next to you were like, what did you do today? We're like, yeah. We went snorkeling between the tectonic plates, you know, and, like, you know, we did this, and it was it was amazing, that environment.
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Yeah. And this guy it sounds like that whoever is, responsible for this Iceland venue is ahead clearly who knows exactly how it's all gonna go and knows exactly, like, the behavior of fans and how low security is required and just You know, definitely
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the first smell I smelled on the like, as soon as the lights went out was was Deemsters. Deemsters? Yeah. The first thing I smelled was grandma's closet. Deemsters. You know? And I'm like, we're in Iceland at a biscuit. You know? I had not been to a show of that caliber. You know, I'd seen Billy Strings at, like, a venue for 350 people. You know? Like, Iceland was the first time I had been to, like, a show of that caliber in, you know, almost seven or eight years. And I think, like, that was it was so surprising to me that in the middle of the island, in the middle of nowhere
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Still a big ocean. With Yeah. Do you remember
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jam cruise?
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There used to be My buddy asked Cookie asked me today if I would go with him on the next one. So they still do it? Because that's what the Iceland thing reminds me of jam cruise. Yeah. You know? I mean, I I have no interest in going to, like, the Cancun ones or Dominican Republic. Like, that I don't care about going just to the beach because it's like you're just gonna get sunburned as hell and, you know, like that. But, like, Iceland is so interested. I saw Humphreys did Morocco. They did, like, Marrakesh this year. And, like, that's such a cool thing because, like, also is, like, going to shows is is, you know, like, going to shows here, okay, but, like, going to Marrakesh, and then you're with a bunch of people who are in the same boat as you going to shows together, and then you're like, what are you guys doing today? Like, let's hang out. And, you know, you're in this weird country in this environment, and I think that that's such a great idea and more bands should do that. You know, like, the Dead played, you know, the pyramids, Fish has played, you know, crazy stuff, but, like, now I think that it costs so much money to take your show on the road, like, to Europe that most bands, unless you're small enough to really, you know, play the smaller venues, you're not gonna play Mercedes Benz Arena.
You know? You're you're not, and that's what Fish is used to, so they're not gonna come over here for any reason.
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Freeze is going through something right now. They they, they lost their drummer. They've replaced him with somebody else, but there's definitely, like, a little bit of a trying to refined something with them. So I haven't been that did they lose? Chris Myers. Well, first, they lost Mike Mero who was, like, a founding member. He died. Well, how did he lose? He left the band to go become a doctor, and then he tragically died at a young age. And Chris Myers has been with the band for, like, a decade. Right? Chris Myers has been in 2004 when Mike Mero left, and it was to me like an absolute it was not 2000 it was a '2 not 02/2004.
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Was it after that? It was. But but, yeah, he's been with them as as long as I can remember. It wasn't he brought something to the band. He somehow just he I don't know. Something the straw that stirred the drink. He was a very he's a very progressive drummer, and he fit that band, like, to a tee. You're right.
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And I phrase is an easy band to sell to progressive rock fans, but that's pretty much where it stops.
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Yeah. Who's not a progressive rock fan, though?
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Girls. Girls.
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Everyone you know.
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Yeah. I I mean, I will say, I in terms of, I see more girls at Umfries. Porcupine tree. I see more girls at Umfries porcupine tree. Were females at Umfries shows than pretty much do it. I would say that Umfries definitely has has
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that. There is a female scene there. And I think that's mainly due to back in the day when Brendan was, like, you know, Brendan Bayless.
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Mhmm. Smooth Brendan Bayless. Yeah.
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Yeah. Ryan Stasick Stasick, the the heart throb. I mean, they have, like, an autistic lead guitarist, you know Totally. Who's He's the best.
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He's like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. That's how I Yeah. Knew him. There's a great video. I gotta find it and attach it to the show notes, but there is a great video on YouTube of Jake when he was, like, 15 years old. And he is in his, like he's wherever he well, the wherever wherever the fuck he grew up in Indiana, it's some shed with these confederate flags up, and he is a young kid. He just rips. He's on the guitar, and he just goes he's just like going bonkers. And then he just goes to the drum kit and just goes bonkers on the drum kit. And it's just like a absolute showcase of this ridiculous, you know, just because YouTube exists now, and he's just, like, shown you know?
Somebody got a camera. It's it's unbelievable. I gotta I gotta dig this up and attach it to himself. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. He is ridiculous.
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Yeah. I mean, no no one's questioning their talent from a musicianship standpoint. But, yeah, I I used to I used to go to I used to go to Rush, and there were no women there. There's no women.
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Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, Geddy Lee isn't exactly
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No. There's no one attracted to that. Like Rush don't mind me.
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Geddy Lee's the first trans
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man. I don't know. I can't tell. Non certain He somehow transitioned from a man to a different type of man.
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Yeah. That also doesn't But, like, Getty Lee, like, to be honest, I mean, those lyrics are in every single boy. You know? Like, I grew up with that shit. Kenny Lee lyrics in my head. You know? Like Yeah. Rush Rush is moving pictures, that album. Yep. Yep. It's ridiculous. Forget about it. I mean yeah. And I mean, Neil Peart, I was a drummer. So Yeah. Of course, like, Neil Peart was
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not gonna He was Neil Pert. The main attraction. Nope. Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, Geddy Lee, whatever. You know? But
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Neil Pert is the the reason why Rush is you listen for just so you can air drum the shit out of Rush. I mean, that's Tom Sawyer or y y z, which I just learned y y z is Morse code. The beginning of y y z is Morse code for y y z. You probably knew that. It's another Humphrey. Great Humphrey's code. I didn't know that. And another, Freaks and Geeks
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callback here. Covers y y z or Claypool plays y y z all the time. Yeah. Jason Segal's character in freaks and geeks. There's, like, an episode where he's got, like, the smoke machine and he's playing, I think it's I think it's Tom Sawyer And he you know, then they then they zoom out, and they they show what it really sounds like, and it's, like, horrible.
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Yeah.
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These guys, like, is like me 30 piece drum kit.
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If I sing by myself, fine. If I try to sing along to any sort of track ever, I sound terrible. Yeah. Makes sense. Unless it's Neil Young. Neil Young because the only way to still sing Neil Young is to not give a fuck and to imitate it. That's right. Yeah.
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I they're all great Neil Young singers in the car. That's for sure. Yeah. I mean, you shouldn't sing like Neil Young in front of anybody. No. There's a guy I know. I think I've talked about him on the show because he's one of these, like, adversarial fish fans that I know that I have in my life who, like, just people that you don't you don't love.
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And I once saw him tries to tell you convince you that the music you listen to is not good.
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No. Adversarial other way. Finger. He's a fish fan. He's an adversary. And I don't know how it's it's almost like I don't know how it's like, how did you find this scene? But good for you. You know? I'm glad you enjoy it. But, like anyway, I I was at a social event with this guy once, and he was playing Neil Young, and he was singing like him. And it was awful.
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I think I just heard Panic. Neil Young, though. I think I just heard of Panic. JB is probably the only person who can really do it, I would say. Yeah. I just heard Panic Do Keep on Rockin' in the Free World. Is that right? Do they cover that?
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Maybe, like, once or twice or something. Okay. They they play a lot of Neil Young. They play, like, Don't Be Denied is a classic Neil Young tune. Mhmm. They play I mean, they play a lot with Neil Young.
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I love Neil Young, though. Question of the question of the night now. Question of the night, the one thing we actually did say we wanted to do today on the show. Yeah. So let's talk about WOOX. Let's so you could describe what they are. Do they exist in Europe? And we were gonna ask if there's some Bitcoin equivalent of WOOX. Like, you come home from the Bitcoin conference with the Wook flu. Does anybody do that? I think it's all the guys that run knots, but I know you're asking Crafton. Did you get book ever get Wook flu from Bitcoin conference? Yeah. I've had that. From the Bitcoin equivalent of Wook's? So what are what is a Wook?
A Wook is like a something like it's like we we used to call them torch racks. A Wook is like the Right. A Wook is like the the shitcoiners who come to Bitcoin conferences. Yeah. That's true.
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The the dudes who were there because they're, like, thinking that it's a good investment. They're in a deep spot. They're diversifying their portfolio. They do all the shit coin. Wu Tang Financial. They're the people who are like, Yeah. They're the people who are like, I'm looking for the next Bitcoin.
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Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Okay. XRP, guys. I mean, they're essentially the these are like the people who feed off they they wanna they just they're the drug dealers on the scene. They just they just use But that's like they're just using the scene
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to Right.
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To, you know, to sell their shit, which has nothing to do with the substance of the scene.
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Like, the Bitcoin conferences, like Las Vegas or Miami or
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Yeah. Although there are drug dealers, I'm guessing, that know that Bitcoiners are gonna be there too. Right? What do you mean, Mike? I'm guess like, in in Miami and Vegas, I would have to guess there are drug dealers that make it their business to be in Vegas during the Bitcoin conference. Right?
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Yeah. I would say. I would guess.
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Like, they would be around the venue. They're they're not walking around saying, oh, doses doses MDMA. Well, this is what's funny. Right? It's like,
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you know, like, growing up in the South is there would be, like, cops. They would know panic was playing like Oak Mountain. So they would have, like, operation don't panic, you know, and they would go there. And like even when I like last time I saw Pan One of the last times I saw Panic was like in South Haven, Mississippi, like the police killed a guy. Killed a guy at the Panic Show. He was tripping on acid, and they restrained him, and they restrained him. They did like a what's his name? George Floyd. George Floyd did him, yeah. They, like yeah.
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And, so, like He's nothing but a ripple.
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Yeah. But, like, you go to those things, and it's like, oh, this is a drug ban. It's like, but you go to a Bitcoin conference, and, yeah. I mean So these are these these cops lots of events that are not on the radar of of, you know, like, I would say, you know, it's not like Comic Con. You know? It's like Comic Con with the police at Comic Con. Yes. It is. Comic Con is an insane event. Yeah. Yeah. The, or, you know, the dead four nights at the sphere, fish four nights at the sphere, I guess. Yeah. I'm sure they were tracking down. Yeah. But I mean, like, every year there's this conference in Hamburg or it's in Germany. It's called CCC. It's like Chaos Computer Conference, and it's like it's insane.
It's, you know, we go in the last two years, and it's, like, open source everything and super cool stuff, like how to open source your own submarine and build a submarine in your backyard or, like, the world's largest telescope and, like, all this, like, just What's the big problem with submarines? It's closed sourced. Right? Yeah. And it's like being high on YouTube at 02:00 in the morning, you know, like, figuring out what rabbit hole you're gonna go down, but it's just like you're partying like crazy for four days and it never stops. You know, you're at a talk at 02:00 in the morning about the world's largest telescope and it's like the engineers who are building it. And it's just so fascinating and it's also just like a playground for hackers and stuff. And so there's like 20,000 people coming and going at all times and they build like this massive playground for you. But people, they're hackers. So they find an open door, they go down that open door, and then they build something on their own and so there's like this, you know, they build with wood and all the shit, they built a nightclub in the parking lot, like in the basement of this conference center and then everybody finds the door and then there's thousands of people grabbing in there, and my buddy, you know, we're partying, we're having fun, he turns and he's like, he's a Slovak guy with an insane voice, but he's like, it's like we're all cosplaying fentanyl addicts.
Because like in Europe you don't have that, you have that in America, like you know you go to Philly and you could see people doing the Fint Lane and stuff, but like over here That's a dope thing. There might be a meth meth head every now and then or something, but you don't really see that in, like, you know, these places and, like, everyone is in the garage drinking out of, you know, it it would really look like they were fit, like, playing cosplaying America.
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But that's because China didn't target didn't just isn't targeting Europe for fentanyl through the Canadian border.
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Maybe. I mean, I'm glad I'm sure as hell glad it's not here. That's for damn sure. I mean, that is not the America that I left. It's America's a very different place that I left than what it is now. It is. It is. Yeah. I mean, when it's not hard to make a dangerous place
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for drug enthusiasts.
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Yep. You know? It's not hard. Yeah.
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Well, it's like, look at what's happening in California. My brother lived out there, and, you know, he he came he moved back to Mississippi. And, I mean, he just, like, stacks big money and, like, lives at my parents' house. Must be nice. Hope he's listening to this shit. But, like, you know, he lived out in California, so there's no way he can get it anymore. Yeah. That was. Actually, he would be, honestly, he would be a great guest for you guys. The stories, he could tell I've been trying to get him to share his stories for years. Yeah. You know, he he his he was six months in Tijuana Prison. Like Woah. You know? Like
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Alright. That's a story.
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Yeah. Panic. Bitcoin is a horrific fan. You know? Seatfish at Big Cypress ninety nine. Yeah. You know, big I love that. Panic fan, you know, ran, I would say, a peer to peer economy, at shows. And, you know, he's done some time, but he's learned some lessons, and I like to say Bitcoin saved his life because that's the same thing as like, you know, we went to shows and we did a shitload of stuff together, drugs included back in the day, And my brother was never really kind of, didn't know what his path was, but Bitcoin was the first time that he ever learned, you know, what to, like, do and save his money and, like, how to how to kinda do stuff, and I think it saved his life. But every time I go home Love that. You know, we hang out, and it's always good to catch up. And I sit down, and I hit the record button, and we just chat for hours.
And his stories, you will laugh till you cry. Like, you know, just he's got such great stuff. He would be a fantastic guest if I could convince him to do it. You guys would love to hang out. He's hilarious.
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That would be awesome. I feel like Pies would be a Panic fan. Pies, let us know, if that's true. I'm sure Pies would listen. So but if you something tells me this dude has something tells me he's got stories. He was on our coffee podcast. Got some coffee stories, but I'm guessing, you know, Justin Paz would have some stories of being on tour somewhere too. Yeah. It's guys been everywhere.
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Yeah, dude. I I can't even imagine the stuff that my brother went through. I cannot imagine. It's always yeah. I mean, you people sometimes it's just so, like, you
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you almost can't believe a human being goes through this shit.
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No. That's why you look at somebody like Ozzy or you look at somebody like, you know, Jagger or Keith Richards, and you're like Yeah. You know, those dudes have put their bodies through absolute hell over the years. And Tiger blood is not my brother included. Yeah. The tiger blood's definitely a real thing. Yeah. The the Well, look at homeless dudes with their beautiful suntans and, you know, hair. They don't go bald. They're like, you know, they're living the life out there.
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Yeah. I mean, so I I mean theory, pussy is is gonna, like, counteract a lot of these problems somehow, these eight problems of aging for men.
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You know? Yeah. Well, the problem is men today can't get no pussy because they eat like shit, and they don't take care of themselves. They don't even want it. Lonely. They're not even interested in it anywhere. Yeah. A little timid. Carnivore carnivore is a very real thing, Bitcoin that people do, and, it also I think there's a lot of values in Bitcoin that I think a lot of people take as, like, their conservative values or whatever, but at the same time, a lot of those values are are are quite good to see. You walk with traditional babies and have family. The traditional
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I feel like the idiocracy like, you know the idiocracy, timeline from the movie where it's like all the you know? Yes. It was like all the the best. I mean, I feel like I feel like there's a possibility that Bitcoiners redo that. Right? They're the end because we end up being the ones having kids. We're only we're the ones that actually are capable of having kids, and we end up doing a lot of it. Yeah. I think there's a mortality in there too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you, like, zoom out in, like, two, three hundred years, and it's, like, we were the only one. We're like, yeah. We dominated the baby having game.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what the bit you know, the Bitcoin baby boom will be a very real thing. We're doing our part with getting the baby making music into people's
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lives here. Right? Which Is Phish baby making music? Phish not so much. Podcast. Phish not so much. But, like, the gen you know, I think, like, Umfree is is proudly called themselves baby making music.
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They have. Yeah. I don't think Tweezer reprise is a is a You have not listened to this this back version from this tour. I would,
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challenge you on that one. Yeah.
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That's Yeah. Come on. You can do it. You can do it. Come on.
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You name your cat child. Roast, I think, is the best part of this episode. How many kids from fish fans do you think have been named Wilson?
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Only if they hate their kids, I guess. Not many. Not many. Yeah. What so what are some names that Fish fans would name their kids? They're For the Bitcoin or Fish fans who are gonna participate in the baby name? They're pretty lame. And I think the Fish fans in general are pretty lame right now. It's one of the reasons Jason and I do this podcast because we're, like, hoping to, like, bring people over to, like, stop being so fucking lame. Yeah. Stop the incentive. Tweezer reprise would be a cool name for a kid, though. That would be awesome. That's, like, the chalup of Batman of fish fans.
Yeah. Tweezer re reprise Clark. Yeah. Did somebody I guarantee you, somebody got their girlfriend pregnant at the SPAC show night three this year and named their kid. They will name their kid Tweezer Reprise. Yeah. Tweezer Reprise set too. They basically played it for forty five minutes.
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You could like, Julius Unprecedented. That's a good one. Julius. So Jason almost named his child Julius until he heard the song. See, I think I think fish I think fish fans usually name their pets after after
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this. He's inspired, like Kinda like like fluff head for their Maine Coon cat. Poster nut bag is a very popular bag is a good one.
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Terrible.
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Jimmy. Who, yeah. You know, definitely, you do see that. But
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I had a dog named Pilgrim.
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I bet he had a bad ass. Being real right now, the thing about fish. Agretta. You know, when I say fish is I had a we had a gratitude. Yeah. When fish is music forward, when I say they're music forward, I mean, I don't think fish has had a big impact on culture. I mean, and that I think that's fair fair to say in the past. Fish has had a big impact on culture?
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I don't. No. It's too narrow. Depending on where that goes. Right? Is you have, like, you have
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an impact on culture in twenty years could be very different than the culture. Cultures. Yes. There are things that have come out of the scene, like, I mean, like taping and which wasn't invented by them, but, like, digital making digital, like, nugs essentially came out of fish.
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You know? Well, that's the thing is fish isn't on nugs, are they? No. No. But live fish, they own live fish. Ridiculous.
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You know, Live Fish was what gave birth to Live Fish and Metallica Yeah. I remember. Gave birth to Nodes.
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I used to have those albums with the, like, the silver and the color would be at the top for the different shows. I had, like, the red one and the yellow one.
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Yep.
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So it was the guy that founded Nugsnet that basically started live feed. It was the first night he was, like, in a van outside of Madison Square Garden broadcast That's how they should do it. Broadcasting it. So, like, there are go. There's innovations. There's, like, innovations and stuff. But, I mean, like, Fish the Band has not has not necessarily I don't think not like The Dead. You know? The Dead absolutely drove culture.
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Globally.
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Right? They were driving driving culture. They were they were
[01:50:52] Unknown:
just waiting. Yeah. But they were part. They were also part of Of the big and large towner culture. They were part of something. That's right. It wasn't just the dead. But they were a huge part for sure. They're traveling. Still apart. Like, that's the thing is of all the music from that time period, the dead are still a part of culture in a in a huge way. Is it because Bob Weir is going out on stage and, you know,
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struggling or whatever he did with it. I don't think the new version of the dead is part of that. I think it was all Jerry.
[01:51:22] Unknown:
Is it making new fans is the question. So, like, are dead are there dead fans who only listen to the dead with Mayer?
[01:51:30] Unknown:
There's gotta be some. Yeah. Fucking psychotic.
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Who've never been hung over on a Sunday morning and put it on a little Jerry Garcia band and instantly felt the world is a better place.
[01:51:49] Unknown:
The place that I host my meetup, I was in there the other day, and they were playing Jerry Garcia band. I couldn't believe it. It, like, made me love the place.
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And that Jerry and Merle Sanders album? Yeah. Oh, they're good.
[01:52:03] Unknown:
I love the Merle sand oh, the Merle sand that I love all that. And so Yeah. I I guess what I'm trying to say, though, is, you know, fish in and of itself, what they impacted was music, and I think that's, like, their legacy is gonna be musical,
[01:52:18] Unknown:
not cultural. Yeah. Nobody's talking about oyster head. Right? Nobody's talking about Yeah. Yeah. We we are, but, like, you know Well, we do it
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for musically. We it's it's the musical impact. It's not all that. Has the
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the misfortune of going after the dead. And so they get bumped into Fortune and misfortune. Well, sure. Yeah. It's a bittersweet motel.
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It is.
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But, like, I think, you know, panic is something a little bit different because it is grouped in with Southern Rock, know, and it's like Drive By Truckers. You know, are they a jam band, or are they southern rock and they're they're southern rock? You know, like, Jason Isbell. You know, like, he's one of the greatest songwriters currently living, I think. I mean, like, every single song that that guy pins is amazing to me. You know, just like a guy can write songs that'll make you feel something. And I think that that's what you look at, and it's like, you know, Tyler Childress doesn't. He he sounds like, you know, Kentucky country. You know? And I think the he doesn't have the same thing that that Americana southern rock and roll has, the Panic. And that's that's what it is. It's
[01:53:31] Unknown:
Phish is not Americana, but in a way, they kind of are. But, like Yeah. They kind of are. Different. It's just Post punk. Post punk. Yeah. Like, Grateful Dead was Americana, like, personified. Yeah.
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Yeah. But The Dead also
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suspicious is real things. Was way too inaccessible to be like Americana. They were just way too inaccessible.
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Right? Dead songs are so real, though. You know? Like, when you listen to them, that you feel them. And Fish, like, is there a song
[01:54:06] Unknown:
that has Oh, I could Yes. I mean, I would you have to go newer hundreds. You have to go newer in the catalog, but definitely, yes. I would definitely check out this project side project called Ghost in the Forest, which, Trey wrote really about his best friend who died. And, you know, that was definitely, like, a leap forward in terms of feeling music, creating feeling music, and then Fish's music after that had a lot more, feeling music. I would go to the album Sigma Oasis. The song leaves is an incredible song. Song shade is another one that is incredible. Really, I think, very deep, very feeling. Well, that's like but you guys are pointing the lyrics, though. Like like, I don't know. Is is a good song have to be I mean, do you have to do you have lyrics to feel a song? Not a lyric guy. I'm just I just never paid attention to lyrics. And I I think to feel a song and to be, like, really in love with something and to be touched, moved by something, I think it it's
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it's Jason, you ever listened to Tom Waits?
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Yeah. I know Tom Waits. He did the opener for, The Wire.
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That's what I was gonna say. Yeah. Yeah. Season one. Season one opener.
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You ever listened to, like, a Christmas card from a hooker in Minneapolis by Tom Waits? I have not listened to that particular Diddy.
[01:55:27] Unknown:
Is this I mean, is this our closer? I was gonna put a panics on to have you I was gonna have you send me a panics on for the closer to to I mean, when you think about weights. Yeah.
[01:55:37] Unknown:
I mean, yeah. Put the palm weights as a closer. Hurt. Alright. Yeah. Like, when I think about songs that, like, make you feel, it's like, I'm not a hooker for Minneapolis. You know? Like but I can listen to that song, and the raw you know, it's Tom Waits, number one. So the raw emotion of Tom Waits and his voice is just, like, intense. But Yeah. Like, those are songs that are written with you know, there's a story there, and there's a feeling behind it. And I think a lot of, you know, panic has it. Do the do the biscuits have it? You know? And it's like, biscuits write songs about, like, sci fi, like, aliens, and stuff, but there's a lot of lyrics in Biscuits that are really, lyrical and people as well. I can tell you Twiddle has it. Twiddle does have it. I've listened to some Twiddle. I mean, like, I just never saw Twiddle. I never really understood them much, but, like, you know, when I do listen to, like, Apple Music or something,
[01:56:31] Unknown:
it kinda comes up here and there. They they, you know, they're they they have some songs that are very feeling. The so the singer has a tone, a raspy tone that kinda makes you think that he grew up in a van doing nothing but fucking learning how to fingerpick a fucking Dobro.
[01:56:49] Unknown:
You know? Did you guys ever listen to, like, Keller Williams back in the day? Yeah. Yeah. Well, actually, it was a Yeah. I like him a lot. He's he was amazing back in the day, but now I feel like he's the guy who sings down by the bay
[01:57:01] Unknown:
where the watermelons grow. Yeah. Well, Tom Hamilton makes every band better, and Keller Williams makes every every band worse. So that's the difference. That's fine.
[01:57:13] Unknown:
I mean, Keller Williams, I like back in the day, I mean, he was he was doing something that nobody
[01:57:19] Unknown:
was doing. All the looping seven zero eight ish.
[01:57:22] Unknown:
I feel like Yeah. All the all the looping stuff. Dead songs, and they were really good. And, like He was new. He was he was bringing something very new to the scene. Now he's like, yeah. He's like a Jack Johnson y kind of guy. Maybe he got paid by Syria. Like, Sirius, Like, Jack Johnson's another guy who, like, I feel like Sirius ruined certain Yep. Sirius radio ruined It's a really good point. He ruined it. They ruined both of those guys. It's like David Blaine music or something. I don't know. Like, it's so weird to me. And they did the Curious George movie, and it was, like, kind of it did make it all seem so childish.
[01:57:54] Unknown:
But I mean and that's Stitch's calling card too is being childish and, you know, that's at least, like, the nostalgia you might be looking for is, like, back in the nineties when they were essentially writing, like, Sesame Street bits, you know, like, things that
[01:58:09] Unknown:
It was not yeah. Then it was not I mean, I don't know. Fish was fish was I I messed with Fish quite a bit. You know? Like, I I really did listen to a lot of Fish back in the day. They did that in Atlanta. And that's what it all now. I still know it all by heart. Like, you know, I don't know any of the new songs. If there's a new song that comes on by something, you know, skip. I don't know that. But, like, when I look at Biscuit songs great new songs. Biscuits have tons of new songs that, like, I prefer. Like, they're amazing. And I think that the fans are that way too, and that's why they're so hot right now is because literally every new song that they put out,
[01:58:46] Unknown:
everyone is like, yes. This is great. And the fans are loving it. So What's going on? That that's what you don't have. I disagree with it. So the yeah. I think Phish has been Is it really? Yes. They've been putting out absolute bangers for the last four or five years. What are so what are some, like, good new fish holes? Monsters is one I really like. Away Life saving is one I love. Life saving gun. Gun, what's going on, what's going through your mind, which has already hit a forty minute they've already have a forty minute version of that one. Yeah. Everything on the graph forest is great Yeah. In my opinion. You know? So, like
[01:59:24] Unknown:
sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. I was just gonna say, Grafton, when you were on high hash rate and you said what I had heard that, you know, that, you know, that biscuits was, like, hit in stride, like, as of late. It it it struck a chord with me. One of the reasons why I was like, you'd be a great guest is because FISH has turned that corner, I feel like, in a big way in the last couple of years where some of their newer material in before that was just a little bit, like I don't wanna call it stale, but just uninspired. But this last wave of new material is fantastic.
It's just so good.
[01:59:57] Unknown:
It's different. It's like yeah. It's like orthogonally different. Yeah. Whereas, like, yeah, you you know, you go through, like, the Soul Planet era. Right, Jason? And it's like, okay. These are, like, enhanced versions of what we used to do well, but they're not new. But now, like, in the last four or five years, there's, like, new new styles of music that they are bringing to new songs.
[02:00:18] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. I think I listened to the the New Year shows. I think I pulled them and and listened to them. And, I mean, just because I was curious. Yeah. I think it did got you really we would get a flavor from this New Year's. It's life saving gun. The life saving gun, what's going through your mind gag. Yeah. The the guy always feel like even when I go back and listen to shows, it's like there are some New Year's shows from bands that were, like, incredible, you know, back in the day, just like there were some Halloween shows that go back in the day. They were great. But Yep. I don't typically prefer, like, the the New Year's kind of, atmosphere, like, for for shows. Like, when I listen to them, you know, I prefer Thursday night in Lawrence, Kansas or something. You know? Like, there's just something about Absolutely. Like, those I'm the same way. Completely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like, I I feel like I'm not listening to, you know, something that was shared by thirty five thousand people, but, you know, maybe something that was too The last weird. You know? You can't describe
[02:01:20] Unknown:
But it's definitely it's a little distasteful. Like, I went to the last New Year show that we went to was 2019 for Phish. That was the rescue squad show, which Ray got stuck on the riser, and they needed the he needed the rescue squad to actually take him down. But, like, it's one like, when you go to a show on New Year's, everyone is, like, people go hard at shows in general. Right? But, but on New Year's, dude, it is like a partier's fucking Super Bowl.
[02:01:48] Unknown:
Oh, yeah. 80% of the building. Coming out of the Phillips Arena in Downtown Atlanta with, like, you know, 25,000 Panic fans, and all you can hear is pop. And, like, you know, the Tabernacle lets out at the same time, and all the Soundtribe fans are all, like, marching, you know, out. And you have this weird mixture of yeah, like, you know, that's something that, you know, in Atlanta, man, it just that place,
[02:02:16] Unknown:
like, fuck Atlanta, dude. I'm sorry. That place is terrible. Yeah. Dude, Atlanta, I lived there for six months. I was was forced to recently, and fucking Atlanta's terrible. I agree. It's where they they murder football players and Super Bowl players. Dude, Atlanta.
[02:02:29] Unknown:
Like, people talk about places in America where I don't wanna go, and Atlanta is one of them. Like, I love the Braves. I would love to go to Braves games, but, like, I do not like the city of Atlanta. I've never never enjoyed it. It's always been weird. They they had a bombing at the Olympics. Like, what is Atlanta good for? Like, I don't know. Actually. January. Is nice. I like the airport. I'd give them that. But Alright. I don't know. I think, like, most most of the time, I miss I do miss, like, going out to Red Rocks to see shows and doing that stuff more than anything. You know? Like, that's the one thing I miss about America that I can't get here as much.
[02:03:10] Unknown:
Yeah. Yeah. The Red Rocks. I mean, Prague is beautiful.
[02:03:14] Unknown:
Pretty beautiful. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. It's beautiful, but, like, something about seeing a rainbow over
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over Denver. So sick. It's yeah. I'm jealous of anything. Afternoons. I've never been to Red Rocks. I've driven past it. Uh-huh. Can I, like, imagine? Go to the gorge for fish? No.
[02:03:32] Unknown:
No. Yeah. I've done Red Rocks with, j rad, but that's it.
[02:03:37] Unknown:
Does fish play Red Rocks?
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The last time I think 2011. They're not allowed back. Oh, wait. Did they did they do 2011 was the they They they redeemed themselves? Okay. Because weren't they, like, not allowed back after, like, the nineties, the mid nineties red rocks? Like, something happened.
[02:03:56] Unknown:
I I don't know the story, but it kinda rings a bell. Yeah. Something something happened. I mean, they they did the '94 06/1194 was probably the most notable Red Rocks appearance.
[02:04:09] Unknown:
Yeah. That's the one I remember with the divided sky, and it was it was good. But, yeah, they haven't done Red Rocks, glad to answer your question, in in a long time.
[02:04:22] Unknown:
It's too small, probably. Yeah. It's a little too small. Too small or they you know? You know, for a man like their asses over to Europe, man. Well, they really should. I don't get it. I don't get why they I don't get why they don't go back there. People what they want.
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Yeah.
[02:04:36] Unknown:
I wonder if they just come over here. I wonder if their trip to Europe I think their trip to Europe in the nineties was when they were first getting into, doing drugs themselves. They were then it was just fucking on like Donkey Kong. Europe. Was there India? Yeah. I think so. And the stories that came out of Europe, the drug stories about fish that came out of Europe were, like, insane.
[02:05:00] Unknown:
And, I wonder if that's why they don't go back right now. I just wonder if that's just they're just not interested. Good point. Yeah. I think they're just like, it's not worth it because they make plenty of money doing what they're doing. You know, they they don't have any reason to do it. Other than that, they might have some shows. Oh, yeah. Other than to, like, enjoy it is the only reason they have to do it. This the same with, like, the biscuits is, like, Iceland is a different thing because for them it's also an adventure, you know, like every day they're posting pictures of them like crawling on glaciers and stuff as well. You know, they're they're also having fun. Like right now they're in Montana and every day they're like hiking and for them I think that they're at the point in the age where if you do something, you wanna do it with, like, where it's fun because I think they, you know, biscuits have been in every damn dark alley and showroom and tiny box around the world, and, I think that now it doesn't make sense for Phish or to any of these bands. Like, Panic Panic's not coming over here. They would never. Like, they'd play to 300 people and make nothing, and it would just be cost and tons of money for them.
[02:06:07] Unknown:
They're gonna need something like the sphere, I guess, and then they would all go.
[02:06:11] Unknown:
I mean, they they could they could play. I don't think they would sell out. They could play a bigger room in Prague and, like, people wouldn't come because people from America would go and then there would be some local interest and stuff, but, like,
[02:06:22] Unknown:
you need a promoter. You need, like, all kinds of stuff to make that kind of stuff happen here. Whenever Phish announces a tour and, you know, they can't play the entire country. So, like, they usually one year, it's, like, East Coast heavy. One year, it's West Coast heavy. And every year, whoever doesn't get included just freaks the fuck out and starts losing their minds. Like, I think it would be cool for for, like So I could see going to Europe. If they go to Europe, like, everyone in The United States is like, what the fuck, dude? Fuck.
[02:06:49] Unknown:
Biscuits to do, like, a tractor beam run-in Berlin, you know, like Oh, that would be amazing. Yeah. Mexico is in the run.
[02:06:57] Unknown:
We see New Mexico. That's, like, the closest that's the yeah.
[02:07:01] Unknown:
That's the trip, man. Biscuits were supposed to do a cruise, and then everybody complained that there were, too many people for seats for the auditorium. So the biscuits were gonna play every night, and not everybody would get in to see them. So the they were like, well, we're canceling the cruise. Yeah. It's kinda cool. I think that's why they did the Ardmore.
[02:07:23] Unknown:
No shit. That was a makeup for the Yeah. For a disappointed cruise cruise cruise. Nights. It was supposed to be six nights of biscuits. Yeah. It was and it was gonna be four, but they added two shows at towards the last minute on the front end. I've asked my friends what they thought. Yeah. I didn't I didn't get any of them. So
[02:07:43] Unknown:
as we if if let's say we're gonna close this thing now. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta go to bed, man. It's three in the morning. Yeah. Thank you for staying up for us. As we as we go out. So we we got Widespread was, every day. That's the one you said. Mhmm. So you got your album. So we're gonna ask for a biscuits. Oh. Either a show, date, or an album.
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Man.
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New stuff? Anything. Like, what anything you would say, that's what that's what we should go and focus on. Yeah. We'll make it new stuff as because that's Yeah. Just go listen to them Iceland shows. Okay. Cool. The Iceland shows.
[02:08:25] Unknown:
That's a great place to start. And you also said Oak Mountain o two, right, for for widespread?
[02:08:30] Unknown:
For Panic, if you can track down good quality Oak Mountain o two, but, yeah, I mean, Carbondale is a multitrack that's available that's on that should be on streaming services. Dividing line, though, for Panic pre
[02:08:43] Unknown:
Is o two is when is when Mikey died. Yeah. Right. Like, this gets, like,
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hop on YouTube. They they, like, have all their live streams, like, from their shows, there. So you have, like, full full shows there. Even the Iceland shows are on YouTube. And then there's also, like I mean, just you can't go wrong with, like, new biscuits for sure. It's all really good.
[02:09:06] Unknown:
I checked out that Spaceman, like, art artwork covered one. It was, like, brand new from, like, what I could find on Spotify, and it was pretty good. I checked out the whole album. That was all based on your high hash rate appearance. Well, the
[02:09:18] Unknown:
the biscuits, they I think on Spotify, they put all of their whole last year's tour on Spotify That's cool. Which is, like, so cool because, whenever you wanna show somebody what it means to be the Biscuits, you cannot play them an album because the biscuits you can get it on the rebel, do not listen to biscuits' albums, please.
[02:09:43] Unknown:
Right. But so you can now because it's on Spotify, does that mean you can access it on the node runners, Jupyter?
[02:09:49] Unknown:
So I definitely exposed a lot of people to biscuits. Hell yeah. It's a good it's a good report, I would say. But, yeah, like, most of last year's tour are all on I think the whole tour is on Spotify. So That's cool. Like, it's all good. All the new stuff is great, really, by the time to be continued.
[02:10:09] Unknown:
It's all good. Wanna leave us what do you wanna leave us with?
[02:10:13] Unknown:
We had a great time. We had a great time. Yeah. I mean, I will you for staying up and having this call. For sure. It was it was it was a lot of fun. I'm sure we'll We brought a new friend. We'll talk again soon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can chat anytime, really. Party fun. I mean, I if you guys weren't based in The US, I would chill Vexel, which is, you know, the app that I'm working on. We are a non profit. Yeah. Yeah. We're a nonprofit, and we built a a really cool tool that, allows people to peer to peer Bitcoin without KYC. Currently available in Canada, so all your Canadian listeners, you can get it. But, basically, we rethought how you design a peer to peer marketplace, so we only connect you with friends and friends of friends.
So if you got 10 friends in common and you're offering to sell Bitcoin, then I got enough trust where I trust you. So you never trade with a stranger. And, we're funded by donations from the Human Rights Foundation, which is really cool. I can't believe I was born a small black child.
[02:11:18] Unknown:
You know, it's kinda like tape trading back in the day. And I don't know if you're old enough to remember, but, like, there used to be a thing called bad tapers list. So, like, if you rug somebody, you would go on a fucking list. Hell, yeah, dude. Your reputation is the
[02:11:33] Unknown:
only thing you can you have. Right? And and that's the beauty of it is is, like, if I do something to damage my real world reputation, I lose friends. And the last thing I wanna do is lose people that I can, you know, that I can trust, that I can call a friend. And that's what we built on, and that's the only way to scale trust because it it doesn't scale. Any any sort of ratings or reputation system online, you know, we've all had a bad Google Google rating, you know, review experience or TripAdvisor. You know? I joke, but it's, like, the number one restaurant in Prague on TripAdvisor is an Indian restaurant. And it's, like, dude, don't come to Prague and eat Indian food. Yeah. So, like, you ask a friend. If you come to Prague, talk to me. You know? I'll I'll I'll recommend some places. But, like, Vexel is really cool.
Check us out. Like like I said, I mean, we are funded through donations. So if you wanna help us out and say thank you for using it, like, we're super grateful. But we're cool people. That's number one is, like, I really do think that the whole team and the people I work with are amazing, and we're we're proper Bitcoiners building building something that we want. So if other people want it, that's awesome. But, yeah, check us out. You can find me on on Nolster or or Twitter or wherever. I'm pretty easy to find. I'm Sats Disco. You should be able to remember enough Nice. About the biscuits. But, it's actually from old back in the day, my gamertag. But, Oh, no shit. You know, it used to be, like, driving driving to disco, like, Widespread Panic, driving song into disco. Yep. Yep.
[02:13:12] Unknown:
Yep. You know, it's funny that now I basically listen to nothing but the disco biscuits. So That's funny. Panic at the disco have did panic at the disco have anything to do with panic or disco biscuits? Hell to the normal. So, like, what the fuck is that?
[02:13:28] Unknown:
That's like emo
[02:13:29] Unknown:
trash. Like I know that popped into my head. That should have been a collaboration.
[02:13:33] Unknown:
They're emo pop. Yeah. That's what that's because you've been you've been exposed to the satanic cults. Yeah. You've been you've been psyched into modern pop music.
[02:13:45] Unknown:
But when I was when I was telling those who want you to see it. When I was telling friends about having you on, my friends in Canada were saying, yes. That is that Vexel is the coolest thing on Earth.
[02:13:58] Unknown:
Awesome. Yeah. We're growing in Canada for sure. It's really cool to see. I mean, like, we'll be at the Canadian Bitcoin conference. Michael's there. And, like, you can see these little circular economies popping up just like back in the day. I mean, it's happening again. People are trading beef jerky. You know? Let's make it then. Shirts. Let's make Canadian Bitcoin conference a thing. How many bootleg shaped out. Lot shirts do you have?
[02:14:26] Unknown:
Not much anymore. I used to have quite a few. But I personally one out.
[02:14:31] Unknown:
I lost, like, 20 kilos, and I had a shirt that I wanted to wear so long, and I busted it out. So hope in a hopeless world shirt, I finally can fit in it again.
[02:14:39] Unknown:
Oh, that's great. Nice. Yeah. I got rid of a bunch of them. I had probably a 150 fish fish or band related t shirts. My wife is like, we're moving from Atlanta. She's like, you gotta get rid of some of these. I was like, you're right. Dude, I had a steady business
[02:14:54] Unknown:
selling t shirts at panic shows. I bet. I made the I made, like, the Hauser Hoover panic shirt, like, the vacuum cleaner Yeah. And sold that shit. And then, like, I had one that just said gimme on the front and on the back. It was like, give me a hand there, Michael. I'd give you my heart if I could right after he died. They had the dates on it. I love I love that. We're gonna be bringing we're gonna be bringing, so my podcast partner for Rock Paper Bitcoin is gonna be at the Canadian Bitcoin conference as well, and we're gonna be bringing
[02:15:22] Unknown:
a lot of merch. And we're thinking of having a meetup, like, or a meet and greet for the two of us. So look out for look out for that.
[02:15:32] Unknown:
Yeah. I might be there, so I might see you. There's talk of me coming. There's talk. Let's do it. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. I gotta plan it. But thank you, guys. It's been fun. Thank you. Thank you, man. We'll talk soon. Hell no doubt.
[02:15:47] Unknown:
Enjoy the outro. Peace. Not alone. I'm just blue.
Introduction and Special Guest
Meet Grafton and Vexel Project
Podcast Origins and High Hash Rate
Music and Bitcoin Connections
Tool and Music Preferences
Concert Experiences and Band Discussions
Music Scenes and Band Names
John Mayer and Trey Anastasio
Widespread Panic and Music Influences
Panic's Impact and Personal Stories
Bitcoin and Peer-to-Peer Connections
Gaming and Global Connections
Radio DJ Days and Music Sharing
Concert Adventures and Friendships
Jam Bands and Music Preferences
Music Festivals and Unique Venues
Cultural Impact of Bands
Fish and Music Evolution
New Music and Band Recommendations
Vexel and Peer-to-Peer Bitcoin Trading
