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Intro and Outro:  The Dude of Life and Phish 02/05/1994, Wetlands, NYC - Full Show https://archive.org/details/DudeOfLife1994-02-05.tlm170.flac16/dudeoflife1994-02-05t02.flac
Extra: Rare Video of The Dude of Life and Phish 02/03/1994, The Paradise, Boston, MA - Family Picture  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wowy9004YUs

In this episode, we dive into the unique intersection of music and personal history, exploring the captivating story of the Dude of Life and his collaboration with Phish. We discuss the intriguing 1994 secret show at The Wetlands, a legendary venue in New York City, and the charismatic presence of the Dude of Life, whose album "Crimes of the Mind" left a lasting impression. The conversation meanders through the vibrant music scene of the 90s, touching on bands like Ween and the cultural impact of venues like The Wetlands, painting a vivid picture of a time when live music was a cornerstone of community and creativity.

We also share personal anecdotes about discovering music in the pre-digital age and the serendipitous finds at record stores. The episode takes a turn into the present as we recount our own musical endeavors, forming a band and performing at Pubkey, our modern-day version of The Wetlands. The camaraderie and spontaneous energy of live performance are celebrated, highlighting the joy of creating music with friends and the enduring influence of bands like Phish. Join us for a nostalgic yet forward-looking journey through music, friendship, and the spirit of collaboration.

[00:01:18] Unknown:

K. We're here. So   now you don't know this, but, like, I think my entire reason for doing this episode was to that I could use the music I just that everyone just heard.  

[00:01:28] Unknown:

Nice. Well, you send it to me. You send it to me, and I had never heard it. And,   I had some questions.  

[00:01:36] Unknown:

Okay. Well, this would be a good time to answer the questions.   This is so cool. Like, what we're doing now is something I never expected to do, and I'm   pretty sure no fish podcast   has addressed this subject at all. I don't know. No Bitcoin podcast  

[00:01:52] Unknown:

has. By the way, are we a fish based Bitcoin podcast, or are we a Bitcoin based fish podcast? In my bio, I have I have it as   a a fish john by Bitcoiners.  

[00:02:04] Unknown:

It's interesting. I was thought the correct answer is it's a Windora bug.   I need to work on my wit. Well, you know what? You know who had a lot of wit?   Due to life. Like so they now the question is, like, what in the goddamn hell would possess us to do a do to life episode   around fish when there's like, you go to, like, all the great fish podcasts that there have been, you know, under the scales,   helping I'm sure I'm sure it's been done or I'm sure his music's been done, but, like,   I should tell you that   in 1994   I think it was '94. Right? So, like, I'm first getting into fish, and I've gone to my first couple shows.  

This album   this album occurs, called Crimes of the Mind.   And   it just, like,   I can't explain to you why it captured my imagination   so much,   but I think it's more something   along the lines of this individual   and his charisma and his performance ability. And there's just something in his   there's just something that about him   that is really   engaging, and that works really well with fish playing behind him. Mhmm.  

[00:03:19] Unknown:

Yes. So so I'll for the audience's sake, because I'm I'm like them or I was like them in that, obviously, I heard this heard this recording for the first time. Yeah. You used to be. I mean, you Did you listen to the album or did you listen to the show, I think? To the show. Got it. And so for the record, the show is I don't know the exact date.  

[00:03:38] Unknown:

It's February   1994.   It was   let's let's set the stage here, by the way. February   1994   at The Wetlands   February 5. February 5 at The Wetlands. Right? Do I have the year right? 1994?   And I think this is one of these preshow little party shows to, set up the the actual release of the album.   Now Phish had long outgrown the Wetlands.   And maybe I should say a little something about this venue, The Wetlands, because it's, like, literally one of my favorite places   that's ever existed.   I'm so lucky to have gone   all these times.   The first time I even heard of this place   was because,   Moe did a New Year's Eve show there, and   they played until, like, six in the morning. And the story goes, like,   they were, like, 15 people just sleeping on the floor while they were, you know, while they they, you know, they they didn't care. They just wanted to continue to go.  

You know, the wetlands was that kind of place. It was like the place, like, at least like in the Northeast on the East Coast.   If you wanna know, like, what is, like, the one place   that is the,   the home base of jam band music,   it was absolute absolutely   the wetlands. If I had to think like, it's even hard to think about somewhere else in the country that's, like,  

[00:05:08] Unknown:

even similar to it. Interesting, because that that reminds me of, like, you know, people telling that or older than us telling stories about, like, you know, CBGBs  

[00:05:16] Unknown:

in the eighties, the decade prior. Yeah. You know? I would say it's similar. You know? I would say something like it's something similar for our type of music.   I used to go now shout out, you know, I think we've   I think I've shout out Jesse Jarno on a couple of these episodes, but that was the place. Like, I we like, we all used to meet at the wetlands   no matter like, whether we knew there was a band we knew or not.   So, basically, I'll just describe the venue real quick. So on the main level,   you have a bar and you have a stage. It probably fits 300 people.   Okay.  

Been there many times to see say Mo, I'm gonna see pods,   bands like this.   Disco biscuits   back in the day. Then you go downstairs   and they're, like, there's, like, a couple of lounges.   Like, there's a lounge if you just don't don't feel like engaging with music at all. You there's just a lounge there where you're pretty insulated and can't hear anything. And then there's a small   like, there's a smaller little lounge that   other bit, like, a smaller band would play.   And, you know, I I think I I figured out I I saw bands really early down in that little lounge, like, a little band called Shlejo. I don't know if you ever heard of them or,   Galactic got kinda big. Yeah. I know.  

I feel like I saw them down there at some point in time.   You know, like, just it's it's the kind it's just place where people would show some deep banana blackout band like that.   There's these bands of the nineties that   were, like, in the mix. You know? Just to paint the picture of the venue, this is multi multilevels. These were all stacked vertically? Multilevel. Yeah. So it was two levels. And so and location is this band this this venue is sitting right at the mouth of the Holland Tunnel.   So you get out of the Holland Tunnel, and it's right there on Ninth And Hudson Street.   And,   just incredible. Incredible place. And you have the Knitting Factory   pretty close down the street. Knitting Factory is pretty well known   for I   saw like Madesky Martin and Wood there.  

Vernon Reed, I saw who from   the band Living Color, if anybody remembers that band.  

[00:07:29] Unknown:

You know, it's so funny you bring up that band. That was such a big impact on me when they because I was, like, 12 when I was really young. Like, I was just getting into music, and Living Color was that album.   That Incredible. Right? I don't think it was their first album, but it was the one that that brought them to the limelight. Incredible band. The song called to Personality really was that was their big song, and it was incredible. They were like That whole album was good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:07:54] Unknown:

Vernon Reed, the guitar player, was, like, super New York. You know what I mean?   Just like Most one of the New York.   Like, it didn't matter how wealthy he was from that one song. He was going to be a New York grinder for, like, you know, forever.   Like, I could, you know anyway, so that's the that's, you know, this is New York City,   the best that it has to offer.   And it's the jam it's it's giving jam bands a place to be them. And, so   okay. So now here you are. It's funny because I've been to secret shows at the Wetland. So this was a secret show.   February 5 was a secret show because Phish was way, way, way,   way too big for a 300   a 300 person   room. Right? Right. Right. This is not an infrequent occurrence, but this is the like,   I I I actually just read about it on   the show we listened to. Like, you know, the information is sitting there. It was a secret show.  

And,   I don't know what the name   like, I saw a secret show when Moe Moe played a secret show at the wetlands, and they did it under the name Monkees on Ecstasy.  

[00:09:07] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:09:09] Unknown:

And everybody it was, like, the worst kept secret on Earth.  

[00:09:13] Unknown:

I can imagine.  

[00:09:14] Unknown:

But you know what's funny too? Like, you know the band Leftover Salmon? Of course. Great band. That's, like, probably my absolute favorite bluegrass band maybe ever.   But everybody   at the time in, like, the mid nineties,   like, they didn't realize they were a real band. They thought it was Phish doing secret shows.  

[00:09:35] Unknown:

That's funny.   So they brought more they maybe drew a larger audience than they would have normally  

[00:09:41] Unknown:

based on that. Yeah. Leftover Salmon was the band you hear of, but by getting by just getting filler and tape trading and, you know, like, you just that's how you would find out about a band like that. Yep. Yep.   So okay. So Phish plays you know, it's like it's not Phish playing the secret show, but it's Phish being there totally secret, you know, totally in secret. Right? And they can't advertise like the dude of life because all the Phish crazy Phish fans would go.   And so they so they have this, again, secret show at the Wetlands. I, like, I can picture it because I've been to them. It's, like, such a fucking great energy. And then when you hear just the crowd, it's just like this is a crowd that knows they're at a secret show. Yeah. And that's why I I had to send you some, I think, some question. Like, most of my questions were like, alright. It sounds pretty good. Like, it reminds me of the band Ween, also from the area.  

[00:10:31] Unknown:

But, you know, distinct. But I was like and the crowd seems really excite like like, I've seen some excited crowds before, but I never heard anything on a recording that was like people were super pumped of what was going on. Yeah. And I'm guessing people have already heard this at the intro because that's what I start oh, but that's what I open the show with. Okay. Good.  

[00:10:50] Unknown:

Ween, it's funny how it's funny how ween ended up hating fish. It's kinda sad.   It is. But it's also understandable.   Yeah. Side 100% understandable.   Just go into this quick tangent is that,   you know, Ween is one of the greatest bands that's   ever ever existed.   Not only, like, musically, but fun   and   fucking real,   real counterculture   attitude. Real counterculture, yes. And you know, look, Phish came along   and Phish has great taste in music. Phish loved weed. They loved them.   And they picked a song to cover   called Roses Are Free.   And they   did such it's one of the best covers they've it's really like if you we we have to do an episode on covers. Yes. One of these and because, you know, Fish has done some great covers, but that's, like, up there. And I was at the Nassau   I was at Nassau for the island the island run where they played the legendary version of roses are free. It was the it was the debut. Right?  

I don't think it was the debut. Oh, okay. We'll have to check on that. I was mistaken. We'll have to check on that. I don't think so, though. This isn't, like, '98 already. So, like, I doubt it was the debut. But it was, like, the the fact that, like, Fish has versions of covers that people argue over which is the best version of the cover Mhmm. Gives you a sense of the what you know, where they go with covers.   Right? But Roses are Free is, like, a tier below, like, cross eyed and painless,  

[00:12:24] Unknown:

which is, like, really, really up there. Right. It's up there, but, you know, I have to I think it's important, and we'll we'll cover this if we ever when we do that episode is the Halloween content is has to be separated from the other covers.  

[00:12:37] Unknown:

Yeah. I agree. But, like, there's certain covers that end up becoming   like sick jam vehicles. Just sick jam vehicles,   right? So Cross eyed is one of those that becomes that. Interestingly enough, well, let me finish the wean story real quick. Everyone starts going to wean shows asking for them to play the song, and they're like, why are you asking us to play the song? Well, Phish, they're like, oh, fucking fish? Fuck that. I think I remember hearing the the audience recording of that show where they're, like, on mic and, like, fuck Phish. Like, people are And, you know, unlike Billy Joel, like, fish respected ween so much that they just didn't even make it they never made an issue of it. Yeah. But they're just It's kinda just yeah. They were just like, why are these wooks at our show? We've described wooks before.   Yeah. It's pretty shitty for a wing that that happened that way, and I get it. But,   anyhow,   we digress.  

I'm not even sure why we're talking about ween.   How'd that come up?   We're just talking about good band. Oh, this is attitude. Like, I think it's more of just this attitude and bands at the time. So so back to covers. Right? So this is February of nineteen ninety four.   You know,   we've covered on this podcast, on this,   Bitcoin based fish podcast,   the significance of the Halloween shows. Correct?   And not only the significance of it, but 1994 was the first one   where they did the   White Album,   which contrasts with the white paper that was released on Halloween two thousand and eight. Right? Amazing. Well,   the White Album contains a song called Sexy Sadie,   and that song was played at the show. Wow.  

And it's so just to give just, like, gives you a little hint, a little foreshadowing of maybe, you know, how they ended up choosing that album. They already had maybe some songs in their repertoire in the pocket. Right. Right.   You know?   And,   and so this is all revolving around the dude of life   on this day.   Right?   And what I like so I wanted to talk about on this episode. It was just this is just like a tribute   to this man.   So I was completely captivated   by this album and this person and who this this person and his chemistry   with the band.  

Once again, the internet, it wasn't like we had   the internet at our fingertips.   It existed,   but it was not easy to find information about the dude of life.   Like, you could basically go on rec music fish   and ask, like, who the hell is the dude of life?   And then you get a bunch of but get a bunch of sarcastic answers like your mom. Mhmm. Right. And the like. Yeah.   And that's pretty much how it went back then.   So it wasn't, like, common knowledge   that we know now. So let's tell you who he is now. Right? And why like, how does this guy get caught up?   And it's important. It's actually this guy's origin story is really important   because we're gonna like, we're building similar origin   story with us. We're gonna get to the fact that we played a show. Jason   and I and my daughter and   our boy Baseload,   who maybe is playing the dude of life in our band.  



[00:15:54] Unknown:

We played a show at our our version of the wetlands  

[00:15:57] Unknown:

called Pubkey,   and I think we'll get to that. But so let me just tell you who this guy is.   Right? He is, basically,   Trey   met him at the Taft School. That was, like, the private school he went to with, like, Tom I think with I think with Tom Marshall and   people like that. This is the boarding school that they all went to.   And,   I could have that I could have the Tom Marshall thing wrong, but I feel like that I feel like they were all there together. Yeah. So they were in a band called Space Antelope. I think Phish fans know this for the most part.   And then, you know, that that he was one of the guys that Trey started writing music with. So early, very close friend, right?  

Just, like,   with this   personality,   kind of a larger than life personality. And and,   you know,   similar like, he I get Fishman vibes listening to him sing.  

[00:16:59] Unknown:

100% agree.  

[00:17:00] Unknown:

Right. But I also get I I get, like, these Trey vibes too. I get, like   I told you the story a couple days ago where Brad Sands was on a podcast recently   talking about   how in '19, you know, in 'ninety two ish, 'ninety one, 'ninety two. And I think the story came up around like the spin doctors or something like that where they were, I don't know, they were dicks or something.   But they were saying Brad Sands was saying how everyone working in the band knew Fish was gonna be huge. Everyone fucking knew. No one had any doubts. And I think I've said before, like, where did Trey even get the conviction from? Because I don't I listen to shows in from 1991   and '92 and think how the fuck did he how was he so sure this was gonna work?  

But to hear Brad Sands   say everyone knew Makes sense.   It makes sense.  

[00:17:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Was that He was getting that reinforced. He was getting that feedback.  

[00:17:52] Unknown:

He was saying everyone in every everybody who worked for the band   had a 100% conviction.   It wasn't contrived, that they all knew that this was gonna go. And it was really all because of the star quality of   of Trey and his ability to reach the last back person in the back of the theater.   Not, I mean, not to mention obviously their skill, but every band at that level has a lot of skill. Right.   You know, I   mean, Phish has differentiated   skill, but so do a lot of bands.   Right? And   then   so   I think, like, it's just like they these got like, where did where did this guy, Trey, come from? And how did he meet a guy like Fishman who also, I think, has that kind of charisma?   And the dude of life just seems to   be that kind of guy too. They all just, like, met. What I was trying to look up was   I thought I remember reading that the dude of life was with them on their trip to Corfu,   if you're aware of that story where they I think they Trey bought some toy guitar.  

He, Fishman, and possibly   the dude of life,   went to Greece. Went to some island on Greece called Corfu. And that was like where they started writing a lot of their early songs.   But I can't I can't track that down. I should have looked that up before we got on here.   So again could have that wrong either way.   You know it's like this guy is in the mix. The band is really building around their friends.   And, you know, he decides to write an album called Crimes of the Mind.   Incidentally,   Bitcoin is a crime of the mind. Maybe we'll may I mean, maybe we'll get to that. I don't know if we're gonna have time to get into any lyrics.   I actually think a lot of them are relevant. Yeah. You mentioned. Yeah.  

But crimes of the mind. Right? What it it's, like, incredible. Right? So he writes the song and Fish is like, fuck it, dude. We're gonna, like, total we're gonna we're gonna record an album and we'll we'll do it with you. We'll be the backing band.   And,   it all happens. And then they do a little tour. They play some shows in '93.   And then it looks like they're gonna release this album in '94. So they they do a couple of couple of shows there as well,   including this one from the wetlands.   Yeah. You know, it's like the rest is history.   Yeah. It's it's it's pretty incredible. And by the way, like, our version of the wetlands is literally  

[00:20:28] Unknown:

10 blocks away. You know? Yeah. It's right it's right  

[00:20:32] Unknown:

in that area.   When I was driving in, I was, like, telling everybody, dude, this is where the wetlands is. This is where the wetlands as we get into Holland as we get into Holland Tunnel, that's where the Wetlands used to be. Yeah. You know, it's like a massive landmark or at least something I want people to know about. So what is it now?   I don't really know. Probably a Wachovia Bank or something shitty like that. I don't know. It's probably something probably something really disappointing.  

[00:20:56] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. You know? It's interesting that you talk about these personalities. Right? And we've touched on in previous episodes about, you know, Phish's path to success was was nontraditional,   at least in the sense of, let's call it, contemporary music.   And you're describing   individuals that have a presence about them, an energy, a a charisma   that isn't gonna translate into   a studio   necessarily   or   with record label,   you know, executives.   Whatever. It it does apply to live performances, though.   And, you know, it just points to that. You know, we'd have to ask whether   how conscious their path towards   growing a fan base, like, what their mechanism was. I mean, we know what it turned out to be.  



[00:21:42] Unknown:

But was there intent behind that just knowing I think so. Yeah. Especially, like, I you know, the the butt hurt shit with the spin doctors or, like, things like that.   I distinctly remember, like, I distinctly remember   in '94 or '95 reading something about Trey saying, you know,   there's a lot of bands that are get overnight success and then they're gone. But,   you say that, you know, we played   the same places for years and years and years. You know, we played 150 shows a year.   First, we get to know our year.   Then we get to know each other. Then we get to know all of the rooms we play in. So first, it's like Nectars, and then it's the Flint Theater.  

All of the places that played in the Northeast   over and over again. Yep.   Then it's the Wetlands,   then it's the Roseland Ballroom.   Then it's, you know, low and behold,   this interview was in 1994, and I think he was anticipating playing Madison Square Garden. And lo and behold, it's Madison Square Garden. And today, he can tell you that he could hear   he could hear the air conditioner in Madison Square Garden while they're playing. Right. You know? Right.   So, like and so there's something to that that by the time because, you know, by the time you get to Madison Square Garden, you're gonna wanna have,   you're gonna wanna have a nice proof of work underneath you. Right.  



[00:23:05] Unknown:

Yeah. And the fact that they they got so familiar   with,   it was all it sounds like it was all relationship building even with the even with the the physical structure, even with the room they're playing in. You know what I mean? Like, just familiarity.  

[00:23:18] Unknown:

Abs and then it's also the fan base, and maybe they didn't really I don't think they knew   how good they were gonna be as a result of that.   But, you know, what's amazing to me about the history of Phish is that there's never ever, ever been a moment that was too big for them. Yep. They always rose to the occasion. But, you know, yeah, like, it's so many bands flame out.   So many.   We talked about this already. I don't know if we need to continue to go into it, but, like, it's like It's That I think it was very intentional   that somehow like, you know, somewhere they knew that it was gonna have to be that way. It's so strange, and I guess it's worthwhile to mention what a   this is, you know, this is low time preference behavior in a band that   lives in a world with no role model for that, really.  



[00:24:06] Unknown:

Yeah. And it was all about preparedness.   Right? That's what allows someone to rise to the occasion is that they're they're prepared for  

[00:24:15] Unknown:

it ahead of time. The thing I wonder is where, like, where did they get their values? Like, where on earth   did those values come from? Like, that is, like, the most   wild   that was the most wild question I have. I would love to ask the band. Like, where how in the world were you created like this to have to make the decisions you made and to be so   I mean, low time preference is one way to call it, but how you know, to be so grounded.  

[00:24:42] Unknown:

Yeah. And put all that work in and put all that work in without any guarantee of a payoff.  

[00:24:47] Unknown:

Unaffected.   And I mean, now look. You know, there's a lot.   They were wealthy.   Their parents were, you know, but you can only be so wealthy to support four fucking   four dickheads.  

[00:25:01] Unknown:

Trustafarians  

[00:25:02] Unknown:

as they as they You know, I mean, they were trustafarians   for sure. You know?   They all have their all their parents have some success stories. Some of them have wild success stories.   But still, that's like, once again, they're not you know, it's not like they're the only band.   They're all they all have, you know, every band   is a bunch of trustyfarians.   Like, probably, like, you know, one of the things I loved about Moe is that they all look like they they all look like they fixed VCRs, and then they would just go on stage and crush, you know, and, like, they did not look like,   the the greatest musicians, and they were. You know? And they're like, freeze too. Like, they look like a bunch of bros that just, you know, looking for red solo cups   to to play beer pong, and they're just, like, the most unbelievable band there is. You know? They didn't even get me started on  

[00:25:55] Unknown:

Bisco.  

[00:25:57] Unknown:

Bisco. Yeah. Yeah. Right.   And so, like, Phish really doesn't look the part either.   But I guess my point was, like, all I mean, all these bands are trust fund babies that have money.   And   yet where, like,   where's the where do they get their values? It's, like, incredible. Like, So, you know, back to the dude of life who just fits right into this, kind of just, again, fits right into the story.   This album is incredible.   I can't wait   to,   I can't wait to go through the process of figuring out what what I wanna close the episode with. Yes, I love I love this album so much. I mean really   God it it.  

It was so nice to I forgot about it. The album, I remember I had it. It was awesome. I played it so many times, tattooed on my head, and then I forgot about it because it's not on, like, any of the apps that   you'll see, even, like, the ones that have, like, tens of thousands of songs on it. It's not on NugsNet.   You can't find the Doodle Life on NugsNet. Relisten.   It ended up like I I remember   do you know,   do you know what etree.org   is? Of course. Yeah. Okay.   Sorry.  

[00:27:11] Unknown:

That's alright.   I'm not offended.  

[00:27:14] Unknown:

I remember back in the day downloading this very show.   I wanna say twenty years ago, downloading a FLAC   a FLAC file of this very show.   So I knew this thing existed. I knew it started with the Fat Albert theme song.   Okay.   And it's so as you guys heard, hey, hey, hey. It's the dude of life.   He's gonna sing a song for you. Just so it's so festive and great. And I knew it started with this song, and so I just was looking and looking, finally, like, this thing called Internet Archive.   I mean, not this thing called Internet. We all know what that is. So, like, I I forget. I forget it exists. I forget that's a place you can go.   And lo and behold, here it is.  

Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know.   I thought I might,   I thought I might go through the song list real quick. Yeah. Please. Even though I know, like,   this might be a little bit foreign to you. It just  

[00:28:13] Unknown:

maybe some things will pop up. I listened to the whole thing. So, Okay. Awesome. Yeah.  

[00:28:20] Unknown:

So   it's funny because the reason I've the reason this, that I even found it again, the reason I thought of it again was because this first song, Dahlia.   So the first song is called Dahlia. Dahlia is a person.   And it starts like Dahlia and I are taking a bath and Dahlia was smoking a cigar. It's like   great wild lyrics, very fish like lyrics, you know.   Clearly, this is like a guy that lived in the world, the fish, wrote his own song, wrote a couple of his own songs.   You know, it's very bathtub gin mood like,   but we just, Gary Kraus and I did   review the or tried to review this thing called dahlias, which is like this   cryptographic,   took a new signature scheme. Yeah. So I wanted I used it and I used it for the, for the podcast.  

Okay. And that's why I was trying to track it down. I was Yeah. Yeah. I thought I'll take credit for ripping the m p three for you. Yes. You did you you did so. Thank you.   So,   so DALLE is interesting and, you know, I don't think there's really anything   too interesting,   fish related or sorry, Bitcoin related.   Just  

[00:29:31] Unknown:

it's just interesting. You know? Interesting lyrics. I will I will say just that only for that song. It's the only thing I really have anything to add to   is   Dahlia.   And I'm curious on the chronology.   First,   I guess there were two connections. One one I shared with you, one I didn't.   The dude of life. That phrasing is used to describe the dude in the in the Big Lebowski,   which was   a few years later.  

[00:30:02] Unknown:

Yes. I wanna say '98.  

[00:30:05] Unknown:

Yeah. I guess. So it's, like, a little bit later. So just whatever.   Just to know that. And in case people, are coming, have that jump into their mind when they hear the dude.  

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You know what really jumps into my mind when I heard the dude of life?   The vibration of life. Yes.  

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Dave's energy guide. And that's that's what that's where my, like, long term memory banks are. When I when you mentioned the dude of life, I immediately   immediately jumped that. I mean yeah. By the way, the vibration of life is another thing we may may have to do an episode about at some point as well. We could we could combine that with the hose and big ball and all the other stuff that all the other mechanisms they used   Yeah. Yeah. Potentially.   But the other thing I wanted to mention was Dahlia   was   an animated TV show.  



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Daria.  

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Oh, okay. Then That was the Beavis and Butthead sequel. Move on. We can move on because I I I screwed that up. Yeah. That's all good.  

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Yeah.   So strange, though. But, again, it was all big in the time. Like, Daria was succeeded Beavis and Butthead.   Beavis and Butthead famously   probably,   it's the one memory people have of fish on MTV   is doing the down with disease video and Beavers and Butt Head just ripping the fuck out of it. It's so bad.   Yeah.   What the hell is this?  

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That's so good.   So funny.  

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Yeah.   So the so the next song   the next song I actually do these songs are interesting.   And that song is called Family Picture.   And it's just like, again, these songs are there's some kinds of songs you would write with your college roommate.   And, you know, song structure wise, it's like   the kind of song you would expect people in dorm rooms to put together.   Right? Simple fifths and things like that. And it's just like that little touch of fish is what makes it magical and a little touch of the dude of life is what makes it magical.   And that's and it's like   it's almost like when you listen to a trio   and you see very basic structure but then you that's really the vehicle for the talent to shine. So the song Family Picture is like basically wouldn't you like to be in the family picture?  

Wouldn't you like to be in the family picture? And I view that was just was listening to this and was thinking it's like, yeah. This is like, do you wanna join the network? Wouldn't you like   to wouldn't you like to be part of   this?   It was like, we're just a bunch of monkeys. We're gathered around. You can't draw a line on family ground. Smile for the camera. Wait for the flash. There's always room for more in the family bash. Stupid ass lyrics. But, you know,   channeling,   be again, just being part of the scene, being part of what's going on. Don't be the only one left on the block. Come hide in the herd and float with the flock. Right.   Right. So anyway, like that was like thoughts I had on that song and then   move on to the next one called Self.  

Right? This is another one that's just like   it's like circle of fifths like very basic.   And the song is like basically the chorus of the song goes I don't care about anyone except myself   In the land of the brave and the home of the free, I don't care about anyone except for me. And it's like a bratty.   I think in the one of the lyrics in the song is a welcome to the nineties.   I hope that you made it through, you know, and it's like,   oh my God, you know, it's so gay and cringe in a lot of ways. But, like,   it captured this   selfishness   that   really did, I think   I think characterized the whole nineties. As much as we love the nineties,   it me to me, it was characterized by this kind of selfishness.  



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Yeah.  

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Yeah. I mean, we had boomers as parents. We couldn't help it. Right. And I just think they were I think they were just capturing you know, he was just capturing   that dynamic in this song.   Right? That it's like, okay. It's some like, it became okay to be that,  

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like, super self centered. You know? Yeah. And, you know, I I saw that. It it reminds me of,   you know, the   the Anne Rand jokes and and Mike Brock,   you know, and Yeah.   Conflating self interest with selfishness.   You know? It is a fine line.  

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There's a lyric in that song. It goes, I just make my money, and I put it in the bank.   I buy myself some presents with no one but myself to thank.   Yeah.   So, you know, you got talking about make my money, put it in the bank, all that stuff. But it's about, like, yeah, being a loner. So you go from being in the family picture to being a total loner, being selfish. Black sheep.   Capturing that.   That's, by the way, for the most part, that's like the extent of like what I noticed about the lyrics. I'm still gonna go on. Crimes of the Mind is a great song. It's like a great musical. That's the one to me, that's the one that stayed in the fish repertoire that they continue to play   now and then. I would get I would venture a guess that it's been played by fish somewhere between, you know, half a dozen to   a dozen times. Probably worth looking up. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm multitasking.  

And it's like, to me, it's again, you know, Bitcoin is is a crime of the mind.   And,   for that song to stay to be the one and it's it is the only song on this album that is in Fisher's repertoire. And, I mean, it's probably wrong to say it's in the repertoire when they play it gets played once every five years. But,   usually, that's the like, so what they like to do, what Fish likes to do is bring the dude on stage every once in a while.   Right?   If the dude   decides he wants to go to a show or a bunch of shows, right? They can't resist bringing him out,   right?  

And this would be the song that they play Crimes of the Mind, and it's fantastic. It's batting cleanup on this album   and, for good reason.  

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You want stats?  

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The stats are Give us some stats. They've played it eight times.   Okay. Boom.   Nailed that one. Debuted  

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at Amy's Farm in '91. So the first the first official festival.   Yep. And the last time they played it was   October of twenty sixteen.  

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Yeah. So pre baker's dozen. So it didn't make the Baker's dozen. Very interesting. Right? So it doesn't none of these songs get played in the Baker's dozen.   They were were ending ever again.  

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There was a claim that there was a tease of it in October of twenty one  

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in California. I feel like I feel like I recall that.   But the reality is I mean, you know, it it does go to show that Phish has Phish became a different band after the baker's dozen. You know? They became the band that really is built to last, to my opinion.  

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Yeah. Like, that they've that that they were I don't know what your experience was   pre Baker's dozen, but there were some good moments musically before that. We we brought up Magna Ball, you know, the the Caspian Tweezer.  

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Yep. But, like, that's There's a Dix run. Yeah. There's a Dix run. Yep.   And   I guess we we talked about in the Baker's dozen episode no. We talked about in the Grateful Dead episode how, you know, we thought in 2015   after Trey learned all the dead   songs that there was gonna be this, by the way, you know, and it's it's worth mentioning, right, that I actually so I read I've written an old interview about,   Fish's relationship with the dead, and it was, like,   very similar to, like, what we experienced with Fish. And this is like Fish was we talked about it around the dead, but they were very careful.   The Fish never wanted to even suggest they were gonna,   like, really embrace the dead too much because they were terrified   of opening   the Pandora's box. Yeah. Yeah.  

But we'd said that we thought that they would play all these I mean, you imagine doing a baker's dozen and playing two fifty consecutive,   you know, different songs   and   not having all those dead covers at your disposal.   Right? Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Right. Mhmm.   So, like, again, like and so they have all these due to life songs   or crimes in the mind, at least, at its disposal,   and they don't play any of it. So it's very interesting. Like, Baker's dozen is, I think, becomes a turning point for   a lot of songs that were dangling around the repertoire.  

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Yeah.   Yeah. And it's like the the   the the punkiness   of of whether it's Trey or the whole band of late to just to never do the obvious thing.  

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Yeah.   Maybe due to life, just stop going to shows. Yeah. Maybe that. It just wasn't in town for the baker's dozen.   But,   it's pretty it's pretty awesome when he's there. You know, I like the whole energy because everything about fish is just the, you know, their friends   and just feeding off that energy. So I want to get to this   I'm not going to hit every song. There's two more that I think I'm going to cut just going to hit the next two songs.   So   song number five is called Bitching Again, which I used to think was called she's bitching again because that's what he sings. It's he basically sings she's bitching again   over and over again. And   what's funny   about this song maybe I'm a maybe this is that. I'm sure   Because,   maybe Crimes of the Mind into   She's Bitching Again is the outro because Yeah. They're short songs. On the on the album, they got this woman with this really,   like,   scathing,   like,   kinda   scathing white girl voice to actually be the one bitching. And she's, you know, like,  

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I thought you said you'd bring on the groceries. You know? I thought you said you'd fill up the tank.   I thought you said you'd take out for me a $150  

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from the bank. And it was like this very shrill,   you know, annoying girl. And it turns out   turns out this woman's name is Sophie Dilloff, and she's a good friend of the band.   And it also turns out that she becomes the wife of Paige McConnell.  

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No.   Yeah.  

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This is like when I found out that Charlie was married to the waitress on It's Always Sunny. Yeah. And so and Paige is at the show, by the way. Paige is also at this show, and they introduced   Sophie and Paige. I don't think they're married yet,   but they're clearly,   you know, they're clearly something.   And and and then so it's her doing the bitching. And then after she's done,   Duda Life just starts singing again. She's bitching again.   And it's like and it's like just the same refrain. It's just it's genius. It's just absolutely genius.  

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Yes, sir. And  

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it is the like, I would say it's the cry of the   it's definitely a,   there's a Bitcoin version of the song. Let me just put it that way.  

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I guess I guess the source.  

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Right. I mean, we just did a rock paper Bitcoin   episode called Bitcoin Rex relationships.  

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So let's just say that. That's x. I'm so glad you expanded on that. I can't wait to listen because, man.  

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Yeah.   You know, so   it's like   you're going to definitely deal with   your wife bitching again if you if you get into Bitcoin. So be careful.   Yeah. Be careful about that one. It's like when people It's good to have the song.   You know, I will say to my my wife's credit, every once in a while, she will just start singing. She's bitching again because we used I guess, to play this album all the time. I used to overwhelm her with this album, and, it's, like, embedded in her mind. So every every once in a while, she'll just be, like, whistling it or something like that. You know? Oh, that's that's so great.   Yeah. And then  

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Yeah. Go ahead.   I was just gonna say when people ask me, like, how's your wife? I'm like, yeah. She's a pain in my ass. So it's kind of the same thing. Yeah. You take the Louis c k around like, oh, how's my daughter? Oh, she's an asshole.  

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Exactly. Start there. Yeah. Somehow he made, like, an entire he made an entire special out of, like, calling his kids assholes, and then   it's like, okay.   Louie Louie was wonderful.   He really was. He is. So the next song is called TV show, which, again, is just one of the songs you   you gotta you gotta listen to this. Well, so, obviously, we're gonna link the show Yeah. We'll link we'll link the whole show. Yeah. To the show notes. Yeah.   TV show is like God, it's a dark song.   I think it starts it's like, you know, it's song starts like too much anger trapped inside. I can't, like, let it go. And it's, like, dark, right?   And,   there's a lot of, like, really sad things going on. And the chorus says life is a TV show that should have been canceled long ago.  

That's what gave me that ween. That's what really brought the the ween comparison home was was hearing this song. Yeah. And I just could get this like okay. It's kinda like yeah. Okay. This is this is '19 whenever this was written. Call it the early nineties.   Oh, by the way, in that song itself, it's because this is not the era of Rose's peace and love. I must admit I'm the only one that I'm thinking of, and then that's when he says, welcome to the nineties.   But in TV show, it's like really dark and,   it's sad.  

But you get it's it's it is channeling this idea that everything's a simulation. Even in the nineties, we still thought that and expressed it.   Right. We we were probably   three to four years away from the Truman Show   being a movie.  

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Yeah. And this was right in the peak of the grunge era.   Yep. You know, and Kurt Cobain, and he used to talk about that sort of stuff all the time. Yep.  

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I'll just get to some of the others. I'm just gonna glaze over the rest of this thing.   Trials and tribulations   is   something you'd think would be serious, but it's about the Swiss Miss girl. If anybody remembers   Hot Chocolate.  

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Mhmm.  

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It's like a so it's a fun song about how the Swiss Miss girl,   the Swiss Miss girl made a fortune doing commercials on TV, but easy come, easy go was her philosophy.   That was that's how that's how the song starts.   And she gets into trouble   and she has she reaches out to Captain Crunch for,   help and he tries to exploit her. That makes sense. And   and then when it really comes when push comes to shove, mister Clean comes in and rescues her.   So sort of absurd.  

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You know? But Yeah. The island of the island of misfit   product placement  

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characters. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. Kind of. So trials and tribulations of the Swiss Miss girl. No signal here, really. None of these products exist anymore.   Right?   I don't think. Right?   Swiss Miss.   Mister  

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Clean. Mister Clean still exists. Magic Eraser. Alright. Still a hit.  

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Does Captain Crunch still exist?  

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Yeah. Unfortunately.   Catch up your math.  

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Then you got Lucy in the subway. Lucy, you know, so it's   like a play on Lucy in the Sky Diamonds, but she's in the subway because we live in New York. Right. Right.   You got this song called Ordinary Day. I don't really   does nothing from my memory.   And this song called Revolution's Over, and it's like,   probably the most,   it's like an anthem. The revolution's over, baby. The revolution's over. Oh, yeah. That's it. It's like that I'm not really sure what they're talking about, but   it's got a great little riff in it. It just goes   so we were on a way to on the way to our rehearsal on Wednesday, I was listening to this to this show again with my daughter. And I was, like, telling her, like, you know how easy it is to just write songs with these these songs just have these little riffs. And it's, like, you wonder why no one's made songs with these little riffs. They're great.  

You know?   And it's just, like, just take note. Like, you can just write a billion songs just by finding   great little riffs   to build around.  

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Yeah. Most most popular music is incredibly simple  

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from a technical stamp. Yeah. So Crimes in the Mind   is a,   I don't know. To me, it really is a   it's worth   preserving in history, and I hope I I want people to know about it. I don't even know how many fish fans know about it. I I don't know how many Fish fans know about who the Dude of Life is. I was aware of  

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a guy named the Dude of Life.   I wasn't as aware as as I am now. And dude so let me just also tell  

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the story of how I even found the album   because it's cool. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, I I lived in, I lived in South Philly   on Bainbridge Street,   Seventh And Bainbridge, and this is in 1994,   my first apartment. You know, a couple memories I have was being outside   Being outside, seeing on TV, the OJ chase, just on one of the TVs that was in the store.   Things, you know, things you kind of remember. But we had a tower records   right there on Sixth And South Street. So Bainbridge   Bainbridge is one block   south of South.  

So I'm on Seventh And Bainbridge. The Tower Of Records, which is, like, a full landmark of Philadelphia,   was on Sixth Street And South.   And it is the biggest record store   I had ever been in in my life. Yep. It was gigantic. It was multiple stories. It was an iconic tower record.  

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Yeah.  

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Absolutely. Multilevel. Huge. This you could see the sign from probably Twentieth Street. You can, like, see you know, you see the Tower Record sign.   It's where I got most of my concert tickets at the time.   I remember lining up there to go get tickets to see Fish at the Man on 07/01/1994.   And so   for those who don't know, we used to go to record stores   and then you would find, like, your favorite band and see what they had.   And   just as a you know, for fun, I'd always, like, go and see what Phish albums they had. Just see if there's something You just didn't know if they could be random. Like, what they could have an obscure album. You know?   Or sometimes, yeah. You'd see some weird bootleg or that ends up Yep. In there or something like that.  



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And so lo and behold,  

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I   I go do I used to go to Tower Records probably every day.   You know? There was a great   coffee shop across the street that I used to study at called with a great name. It was called the Supreme Bean.   Shout out to those guys if they exist   still, but, like,   you know so this one day I'm going in and I look under I go to the p and I look under fish and you know I didn't see the picture nectar and I see you know   the albums and then boom what is this   The dude of life and fish crimes of the mind. What the hell is this? Wow.   And, yeah, it's like, it was that's a that's a hell of a find. You know?  

I mean, really, the rest is history. Yeah. The rest is What a great time to it's just a great it was a great time to be alive. Yeah. Sam, I just remember yeah. Like, Sam Goody. We had a local, like, independent  

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record record shop.  

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Sam, wall to wall. We had wall to wall sound like, remember wall to wall? That's like Wall to wall. I forgot about that. That's Philly suburb malls all had them.  

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Right? Wow. Wall to wall. I remember when they closed those down.   But,   yeah, it's just so much fun. And I the the I remember the the the locally owned place I used to once I had a driver's license, I could finally get to,   had Grateful Dead and Fish Tapes. Like, they were like Yeah. You know, those types of people.   And,  

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I hadn't found I hadn't found fish yet from a from a Jimi Hendrix bootlegs were, like Yeah. Like, shit like that. Yeah. But there was a place in Philly there there's a place in Philly called Record Castle.   It was on Cotman Avenue,   and   it was just loaded. Yeah. Yeah. Then it was   it was like yeah. It was on Cotman Avenue in Northeast and it was loaded with since I like,   I was upset you know, I was obsessed with Jimmy Hendrix   And I would buy anything.   You know, anything. I had a lot of real garbage ass stuff that   bad bootlegs, but some really good ones, like legendary,   incredible stuff. And so, like, before I got into Phish, I was obsessed with Jimmy Hendrix. Okay. That was your kind of gateway?  

That was one of them. That was a that was a big one. I was also into Metallica,   Megadeth.   Okay. You remember that? Metallica was my first concert.   2892   to fill the spectrum.   So Trey and I both saw our first concert to fill the spectrum.  

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Mine was also at the spectrum. It happened to be Rush.  

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Oh my god. That's awesome. And they banned Candlebox open for them. Yeah. I remember Candlebox. Were decent. Do you know I couldn't deal with Rush because of the I had a roommate. Voice.   No. I had a roommate who just was, like, such a   like, I bet you this there's a lot of Bitcoin stories about like this, where this guy was just such an unbearable fucking dickhead. And he's like, Russia is such a big part of my life.   And, he actually ratted me out to the dorm   that I had, like, weed.   I I had another roommate tip me off about it, and so I was fine.  

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But it's Right. You had a rat. You had a rat   square.  

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Yeah. This was the Rush fan. This Rush fan was a fucking rat. And   I couldn't deal like, I was just, like, couldn't deal with Rush at all. And and, you know, I got who's who got hurt by this? Me. Right?  

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But I missed out on a lot of good rush until I became an adult. No. I think I mean, I can think of many things where, like, oh, I knew a per like, even, like, naming a child. Like, I we can't name that. And I knew this person, and they were awful. And we're there's just it's all it's off the table.  

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Yeah.  

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But, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm not gonna   exactly.  

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You're in college. There's time and place for everything. Rush is so good, though. It's such a shame that I that that happened. I'm and, you know, there's a ton of people that have stories like that with fish. Thomas Thomas Pachea from Pubkey has told me all kinds of, like, he can't deal with fish for a lot of reasons.   Well, one by the way, Thomas Pachea is the owner of our wet version of the wetlands. He's the owner of Pubkey. Shout out to him. Shout out.   But,   I think he told me a story about just some there are people that he fucking hates that were into them. You know? Because he can't he can't break he can't break the association. Right? I mean, that's essentially what it is.   Yeah. And, like, he's like, you know, and just   songs are too fucking long. Mhmm. Which I think if you hate the band, dude, it's like, of course, you're not gonna like the length of their songs. I have a shitty attitude.  



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What do you expect?   But I don't wanna dox myself, but I have to go back to, like you lived on you said Seventh And Bainbridge?   Yeah. That was your apartment?   Yep. And I'm not gonna I'm gonna dox my last name,   which I'm kinda doing right now.   But,  

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it was massively  

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There's Go ahead. Yeah. There's a, there's something named after my family very, very close to where you where your apartment was. Like, within a Very interesting. Well, there were a lot of there were a lot of connected  

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people   running shit in that neighborhood, and I'm implying that you are a part of that.  

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Yeah. It's my my grandfather's   brother, so it's the other side of the family.   He moved to Allentown and became a dentist.   And   the other guy stayed in in the city and was a councilman   that everyone loved.  

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Alright. Okay.   Well, there was a,   like a diner, like a greasy spoon diner across the street from me. And one time I finally decided to go in there and,   nothing was on. I tried to order, like, a breakfast sandwich and they were like,   okay.   Turn on the grills.   Kid wants a breakfast sandwich.  

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And It was a it was a front.  

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Total front. And by the way, this guy was like, you got two roommate you got two roommates. Right? You guys are he goes, you guys are good kids. I could tell you that right now. You guys are all good kids.  

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Jesus Christ. Like, the Bronx Jail.  

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Yeah, dude. It was crazy. It was it was looking crazy.   And this is yeah. This is right. I mean, dude, Palumbo's   that got fucking torched was two blocks away.   It was a big fucking deal. Dude, Palumbo's was a gigantic deal. Like, that was like when I used to say where I live, people would be like, oh, right by Palumbo's. Mhmm. This is before before it got Yeah. Scorched. Yeah. Dude, Philly had yes. Yeah. Not to get too off track here, but Philly had mob wars in the streets in the early nineties. Oh, yeah. Because Gotti went down not in around that time period, and and and Philly was a very was it? Joey Merlino.  

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Yeah. Joey Merlino. Yeah. I mean, who   I I know personally. You know, I I knew personally.  

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The fuck out of here.  

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I I mean, he just he doesn't know who I am.  

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But, yeah, I mean, the fucking kid ran that fucking kid ran across Lakewood Amphitheater without a shirt to get into his first fish show.   That's Joe Merlino talking about  

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you. That's that's not bad. That's not bad.   But, yeah, Philly,   that's that was, yeah, that was an interesting time period because it was, like, the peak of Philly of that scene of that of that part of Philly. I mean, it's worth mentioning because,  

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you know, we all started we all saw our first concerts, including Trey. Trey saw Bruce Springsteen at the Philly Spectrum.   And,   you know, I guess now you and I both saw what was your first show? The Spectra Oh, Rush. We saw Rush of the Spectrum and I saw Metallica.  

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You know, I guess, I I would say my show is the coolest, but I don't know.  

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But that you know, that was like box was awesome.   Did I talk about how Metallica and Nubsnet  

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got together? I've talked about that here. Mentioned that, I think, last episode that that that after their Napster,   like, temper tantrum, but they just Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Capitulated.  

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They capitulated, didn't they? They give and they They capitulated. And so yeah. Okay. So there's a good so that brings us back on track. So I think they'll we're done talking about the Duda Life, and now we're gonna move on to, our band. We have a band. Oh my god. We've got it simple. We have got it simple because we've got a band. And I've seen And we well, we actually did get to play cymbals in the band. We almost We almost didn't. We almost didn't get a chance.   So we played a show last week,   a couple days ago at Pub Key for Baseload's birthday. Baseload,   I'm guessing we we've talked about baseload, right? Baseload is our dude of life.  

I think he's like, you know,   not that in addition to being a terrific musician,   he has got that like, he's fun to watch and to play with.   Yes. He has a lot of charisma   when he plays.   Just you can feel it.   So Baseload and his dad   and were part of this band. His dad plays guitar, and he's a professional musician.   And I thought it was funny to see them both because they're   like, they both play with a lot of joy.   And his dad's, like, 70 years old. 72, I think he's 70.   He used to be,   pedal tech for Frank Zappa. Like, he, like, like, has done he's done it for a long time. And I was I was duly impressed. I just should say when I when we went to rehearsal on Wednesday, it was one thing. But when we got when we got to Pub Key on Thursday and I watched him build the stage   and then   and then just crush, like, this dude just knew exactly what he wanted to do.  



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Yeah. He had all of his tones pre mapped and spent a lot of time getting them sounding  

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like dead on our own. Shredded too. He really shredded. He was incredible. Yeah.   So I play guitar.   I didn't know if I I didn't even really know if I was gonna be part of the band that   too much, but then everybody was just like, I get in there. I'm like, okay. Fine.   I actually had to trick him.   So here's the story. I had to trick   his dad,   base load due to life, far due to life. I had to trick his dad because he was set you know, I was plugging into his board, his whole system.   And so I see him   limiting my volume.   And so I basically I I I turn my guitar knob all the way down almost all the way down so that he would calibrate me. Yeah. So that when so that when we finally played, I can crank it up and run both my lines out of my, out of my game pedal. Call that sandbagging.  

Call that sandbagging. Definitely, it did some sandbagging.   Some it's like sand into ACDC bag.   Yeah. You, you, you need to give yourself some headroom, you know, some dynamic range. It's important. I had to. But, Base Lo told me the story of it, though. So, really, the plan was I was gonna play on one song.   We we were gonna do Last Chance with Mary Jane, easy song. And, like, when we rehearsed, I was ripping on it. And,   we ended up playing it   as the last song.   And, well, I played the I mean, I played the whole time, mostly with my mostly with my tone rolled down, and I actually found a good groove. I don't wanna step on base loads that's 100%. At all. 100%.   But I found a groove with my tone rolled down. I was able to, like, kinda noodle in there and noodle around. But then when last chance of Mary Jane came on, I basically stopped caring, and I just then cranked it. And base was saying that he was like, dude, I I didn't see you the whole time because I was behind my daughter. My daughter played keyboards, and she was standing up on the stage. I was sitting behind her. And so he's like, at some point, I didn't see you, but at some point, dude, I just heard I heard ripping like I hadn't heard yet. And I look back and it's you. And you can see Baselow just gets so he's playing his bass and he gets so excited. He gets all over his face and him, he and I just started to lock it in.  

The last like   twenty seconds of that of whatever I was doing was, like, incredible.  

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It was. I really hope there's I I mean, I hope there there's footage of this. I know. We got some we got some phone phone to phone videos.  

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Nope. But, I mean, they shoulda they shoulda strained it and Yeah. Put it on YouTube, at least, or some  

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I'm hoping that's true. Figure that out. For posterity. But, yeah, man, it was a lot of fun, especially, yeah, the moment you just described because   it was a small room. I was playing   with,   hot they're called hot rods, which are which are sticks that if anyone's seen, like, the Nirvana unplugged or even   Alice in Chains unplugged, I just saw a video. The guy was also using them for for in that performance.   Oh, great. Yeah. Takes it just kinda oh, I love Alice in Chains. It was just a new to Nutshell, which is Incredible. Oh, man.   By the way, Billy Strings does a cover of that, which if you've never heard, you should check out.  

Really, really good   because he had a little bit of an addiction issue that he's he's since overcome.   But,   so I'm playing with these, you know, call them muted sticks.  

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You crushed.   You crushed. Oh, thanks, man. And not only but but before you get into the story, I should tell you this, dude.   It's so funny, man. This is how Baseload is. Our dude of life. This is how he is. He was like, what do you know about Jason?   And I was like, I never heard him play drums or anything, but I know he's a solid guy, so you can, like, trust him. He'll, you know, he'll he'll do what he says.   Right? He's like, yeah. But who cares about that? I had to even hear him play. I was like, no, dude. You're just gonna have to go here and play. This is what it is. And dude, this is like, dude, the second   he heard you play,  

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he just flips. Like, the switch flips. And all of a sudden, dude, he's just like your best friend in the fucking world. Yeah. That's so great. Yeah. Well, I remember because when you added me to the Telegram group, you might not know this because you don't see my screen.   But when you get added to a a a Telegram group, you can you can see the history of it.   And then You can see it. So yeah. So did you see all the history of showed up. And   you   you you wrote exactly backing you up. Right? You did. You were like, he's a solid guy, and he was like   I don't know. He said, okay. Well, we gotta hear him cry. And then it was like, you know, we got a drummer, and then he writes not vetted.  

Yeah. Yeah. But I was like, fair enough. I respect that. I would wanna vet.   I mean, when he came over Totally. Right, before I got added to that group, I was like, dude. Like, I if you if you don't like my style, I will not be offended.   No. But you like, this has to work for you. You know?  

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But yeah. So it's similar to, it was similar to the experience on Wednesday. We're finally figuring out that my daughter knew all the songs because he was worried about that. And so it all came together, and now here we are. We show up on Thursday, and the reality   we dealt with   was that,   you know, Pub Key,   we love them, our version of the Whitelands.   But they had been dealing with some noise complaints and they were they were, a little anxious about   using drums.   And   there was   a long kind of dramatic sequence where it was like, you can't do it. You can do it. You can't do it.   Lo and behold, we ended up doing it with Jason saying, hey, look, I got some tricks in my bag to,   you know, deal with volume. Mind you, we were playing from 6PM to 08:30. So it was like, you know, I'm not the worst.  

It wasn't like you were gonna get a noise complaint   at that hour.   And,   if anybody knows, everybody should go to Pub Key by the way. They have the best food.   Did you have Smashburger out there? There's incredible   dirty dogs. Everybody should go there. It's great. But, like, if you're sitting in the bar, you literally can't hear the band at all.   Totally like   so so finally, I remember I told you I said play, just play. And then I went out. I went out to the bar and I said, dude, do you guys hear anything? Because he's playing right now.   He's playing at full volume.  

And that's pretty much the moment that they capitulated,   I think, and just said, just just go ahead.   And, the name of our band is Capitulation.   Very famous. Ladies and gentlemen.   So now continue I'm sorry. So I rail I railroaded you. So now you have No. No. That was good.  

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No. I, I mean, I'll just I'll just add on to kind of the, I was I think the gentleman that had the biggest problem with our with with potential   volume of of my kit was, came up to me   immediately and was like and I told him what you just said. I was like, you know, I I've I've ways to we have I think I said we have ways to attenuate volume. It's not a big deal. He's like, when when you do when you put your when your kit's set up, like, just we'll just do a sound check. And I was like, great. We never did a sound check. So well, I set up my drums, but then I wanted to go get rid of my vehicle because it was in the street. So I go to park it, and that's when I get the call. Like, I'm literally with the attendant handing my keys over, and I get the call from base load.   And he's like, the drums are out. And I was like, you know, few seconds, I pause. I'm like, see if he's   is he fucking with me? Was this a joke? You know? And I was like, are you serious? He's like, no. I'm I'm dead serious. I was like, oh, no.  



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I was like, yeah. It's fine. You know, so We'll figure it out. You know, this reminded me of there's a story you know, the story about when Phish went to Colorado for the first time in the heat? Yeah. Yeah.   And they thought they had all these gigs booked, and then it turned out they didn't. They drove all the way out there. Oh, I didn't know that. They thought they had more more more action. They thought they had all these gigs and then it was just like some guy promising them a bunch of gigs and the guy just disappeared   and, you know, they rug he rug them.  

And now they're out there. They're out there in Colorado,   you know. And that's,   you know,   it it's like you can kind of I mean, you just imagine what   you take for granted what a touring band has to go through. Let's put it that way.   You know? Now if you take drums out of our band, it's like it was really disappointing to think about it. Like, we played we played Little Wing, which, like, relies   on drums. Like, we're like, alright, that song's out.   See, Dude, that was one of the great songs we played. I loved it. I loved playing on that song so much. I so hope I get to listen to it. I really hope that,   which Fish covers too. So that's the one song we did that Fish also plays.  



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Yeah. That's cool. And I wish you would've stretched it out more. We stretched it out. We probably played it double the length of the of the studio track, but but you've you turned to me after we were done. We're like, dude, we could've we could've stretched that. I was like, sorry. Dude, I think it's my Fish brain, dude, but I'm like I just, like, don't understand how you just stop a song after a minute. Like, what do I like, are you all ripcorders? What the hell? You know? Well, that well, all of our apprehension on little wing is the it's a it's a fade out studio recording,   which basically says anybody covering it, you have to figure out how to end the song on your own.  

So Yeah. We we ended up with a spot where we could do it, and so we just did it.  

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So I love what we're building here because, like, we did a episode of bathtub gin, and we decided that,   the Bugle guys were the joker in that song, and I think it made a lot of sense.   And we got Baseload who is,   our dude of life. We drove up with Shadrach who I have been calling the bus driver,   Neil Cassidy, the bus driver.   Totally resonating with him.   You know, we're starting to everyone is starting to, like, learn their roles here. You know? Yeah. Yeah. But cast of characters.   Like, we're building something. I do. I feel like we really are building something, and it's the it's really the things we do in meet space that   solidify all of it, in my opinion. And I love that we do it. That's great. We have to send,  

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a greaser and and Rod a picture with my comply, you know, T shirt on after the Yeah. Yeah. I'll let those guys know.  

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By the way, we are, for rock paper Bitcoin, we just did episode 67.   So we're making big plans for episode 69.   Nice. We're gonna have we're gonna have Rod and Dick and,  

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other friends. We're gonna make it bank we're just gonna make it a big friends festival. Oh, that's so great to hear. Yeah. I I love the numerology too. Gotta take that shit seriously.  

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Hell, yeah. Dude, you cannot pass up   episode 69.  

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Or 13.  

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Yeah.   Or 21. For 21, I wrote that's when I I wrote that the everybody has their price essay. I wrote that for episode 21.  

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Oh, I have to go back and listen to that. Yeah. I'll check it out tonight.  

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So yeah. So I guess look out for that. Look out for I think if fuck he releases baseload energy, look out for that. You'll get to hear our band play.   And,   I should say, unfortunately, my hand gave out. My, like, my arthritis, I sound like there's an old dick. But, like, it really, like, hurt like shit by the time I was by the time I was done,   I was glad we show was over.   I'm sorry to hear that, but I'm glad you I'm glad you were able to sit in the whole thing too. I'm glad too. I wasn't expecting to at all. I was lobbying for it. I don't know if you caught any of that. I did. Yeah. I would have brought my pedal board. It'd be funny if I had, like, that whole pedal board and amp. I mean, this guy is such a pro, and all he does is show up on the laptop and has, like, the most incredible tone.   You know? It's kind of embarrassing.  



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Yeah. You know? Yeah.  

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So, anyway, I, like, I hope I I hope this was a good episode. I feel like covering the dude of life was important, and I'm glad we did it.  

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Yeah. Me too. It was a surprise for me. And and I love learning.   You you bring   because of your earlier introduction to fish, there's a lot of things that I've learned as a result, so this is one of them.  

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Yeah. We so what we can agree, dude, we we need more dude. We do need more dude.  

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Ladies and gentlemen,   we have a very, very special guest,