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In this episode, we dive into the intriguing connections between the band Phish, baseball, and unexpected musical moments. Our host recounts a day at a Mets game where the organist played Phish's "Bathtub Gin," sparking a reflection on the song's significance and its role as a jam vehicle for the band. This leads to a broader discussion about Phish's history of type two jamming, with a focus on the legendary 1993 Murat Theater performance. The conversation also touches on the whimsical lyrics of "Bathtub Gin" and their potential connections to Bitcoin and financial independence. The episode takes a philosophical turn as we explore the idea of Phish's music communicating with higher forms of consciousness, possibly even aliens. We delve into the song "Foam" and its chromatic progressions, suggesting it might be a form of communication beyond our understanding. The discussion expands to consider the band's uncanny market timing, pondering whether Phish's tours are influenced by economic downturns. As we navigate these topics, we reflect on the resilience of Bitcoin amidst market chaos and the potential for Phish to channel the collective emotions of their fans during challenging times.

The Real Gin (12/29/95)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PxnTQqHDzFE

Amy's Farm Foam (8/3/91)
https://youtu.be/07V_-ZEYJx4?si=eZz1-7AdYYQreYdG&t=513

Bathtub Gin @ Murat Theater 8/13/93
https://cdn.satellite.earth/64cdafb21f6e279f3c276c768e6cd04e52cb5653adf136a7cee1e3f3ecc631c7.mp3

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[00:00:37] Unknown:

I heard it. Oh, yeah. It's you know? So I was at the Mets game today,   and the Mets are connected to fish   because,   Paige is a big Mets fan.   Paige is known to watch Mets games during during shows.   That's a fun fact. That. Yeah. That's a fun fact. Like like, he'll sit there behind his fucking piano   with the Met game on.   So Paige is a well known Met fan, and,   I'm sitting there at the Met game today. And, dude,   I mean okay. I've already been through, I think, with you   the whole, I think when you started coming to my meetup was right when the Mets were in in the playoffs. And,   therefore, I was watching on Fox because I wasn't watching   I watch,   you know, I watch Met games on, like, the baseball package,   but I don't watch baseball otherwise.  

So I don't I was not, like, privy to what happens on Fox. And so when I started hearing it for the first time, I got super excited. What I'm referring to is,   you know,   whoever the guy is at Fox that controls the sound,   he's like the guy at Apple that, like, threw the white paper in as an Easter egg   to on all the Macs. So, like, every once in a while, he'll just play, like, tweezer reprise, or he'll play a fish song, and I know everyone's going bananas.   It's weird that we do that. It's weird we get so excited by it,   but we're just not used to hearing our stuff out in the wild like this after all this time.  

That's true. It used to be like validation, but now it's just more like, no. It's not supposed to happen, and kinda like   watching a white guy dominate basketball or something. It's not like exciting, like, oh, this is gonna happen more often. And it's more it's just it's more like this isn't supposed to happen, and it's weird, and it's kinda cool. You know? Yeah.  

[00:02:34] Unknown:

That really that reminds me when I was when I was a kid. I'm I'm gonna interrupt you just for one second because   the weather channel You have to interrupt me.   I'm learning. I'm learning.   The weather channel,   before   before there was the Internet weather, like, before we had weather on our phones,   people would watch the weather channel at home because every ten minutes, they would run through your local forecast.   Yeah. It is. Along with, like,   along with, like, the Italian guy who would have the poncho on in the hurricane, that guy who has been a staple. He's still around actually on that channel. But, anyway,   they used to play, not the whole song, but they used to play Reba. Like, the   the part the second half that's kinda like instrumental. There's no lyrics. They used to play that section on the weather channel, and I remember being an early fish fan being like, wow. I feel like I've heard all things reconsidered  

[00:03:28] Unknown:

on the on the weather channel. And I think maybe it could just be that I read about it,   but,   my youngest daughter was obsessed with the weather channel   at a point in time. We went to   we went to Jackson Hole for a vacation,   and there was, like, a public,   like, a public dining room where they gave us breakfast.   And they had the Weather Channel on. The first day we were there,   there was, like, a tornado that killed 15 people.   And not in Jackson Hole, but on the weather channel. And   I didn't even realize this. It was something my daughter my she was,   let's see. She would have been, like, nine years old. She just decided that she was obsessed with weather at that point in time. Like, oh, this kills people.  

You know? And so we didn't even realize she started getting completely obsessed with the weather channel. Like, she started watching it   watching it all the time. And at some point, we noticed, you know, it's like, that's kinda   is that the Weather Channel again? You know, like   and then finally, she told us, like,   why she was interested in it. Now   so, you know, it's funny. She, you know, now she   just has this weird knowledge of, like, categories of tornadoes and stuff like that. Sure. Sure. They were playing All Things Reconsidered, which is,   I don't know, maybe a song that does come up one day. There's no lyrics to it.  

Mhmm. But,   maybe that song comes up a little later today,   possibly.  

[00:04:57] Unknown:

Okay.  

[00:04:59] Unknown:

So I was at the Mets game.   And,   I hear that I you know, the organ the organist is doing his thing, and all of a sudden, I hear   I know it. I I know I hear him play Bathtub Gin.   So the Bitcoiners Bathtub Gin is a fish song that   you know, it's probably one of, like, the   it's probably a top 10 jam vehicle.   Right?   I can you know? And   I was thinking about it today.   And the reason I'm talking about it now, it's not just because that's a cool story who I heard bathtub gin at the ballpark.   I've been thinking about a lot of the songs   in the context of what we talk about in the podcast.  

I've never really been able to figure out anything that interesting about bathtub gin until today.   So   and we haven't discussed this yet. So I'm going   to go and hit that, but, like   because I do feel like it I was meant to hear it today. I was meant to hear this. This organ player   he played his long medley. It was, like, a 10 song medley, but it opened with. It was obvious. It was that first   and, you know, so for the big corners, I'll just describe.   Opens with two two chords.   It's a c to a g minor.   And then, like, it goes through it for, like, a couple of measures, and then there's, like it just sounds like,   Paige, the piano player, is throwing his piano down, like, 30 flights of stairs.  

Mhmm. It's the best way I could describe it. So, like, when you go listen to it or when you hear it in the outro,   it's like it's it it captures some really special sounds.   Right?   But it's, like, also one of the first   I think one of the first examples of maybe what we would call today type two jamming.   And I'm going back to Murat Theater, August Thirteenth 19 90 3,   which is   prob it's like   it's the first show I am   I'm aware of in my mind and my sense of history   where they really went off the reservation.   And it was during that bathtub gin that was just like this sort of began this era   of really,   I don't know, out there,   really out there exploration. It's not like they never jammed anything out before, but   this was just on a different it was like a you know, it was in a different planet.  

Are are you aware of what I'm speaking of? You aware of this version?  

[00:07:36] Unknown:

I am not aware. I've never been informed of, like, the moment where fish did type two the first time. So I don't think people talk about it. Yeah. I don't think To be honest Yeah.   You know more about early fish history than I do, like, these little stories, like, you know, Paige watching watching baseball while I was   while I was playing a show. Allegedly, I guess.  

[00:07:58] Unknown:

But, I mean, there I don't it that's not part of the lexicon.   Like, the first time they did a type two jam. But, I mean, clearly, everybody you know, there's   well known   examples that go back to May seventh of ninety four, the bond the the bond factory tweezer.   Mhmm. Just   so, you know, just as anecdotally. Right? So   Sure. The $8.13   93   bathtub gin is absolutely   stands out as such an example.  

[00:08:29] Unknown:

K.  

[00:08:30] Unknown:

I can't think of an earlier I can't think of something, like like, or I know you know, if you go in, like, '88, you know, those eighties of Goddard College as they're going they're doing weird things. But I mean, like,   I I would consider type two jamming to be   once you have   expertly demonstrated the ability to play the song over and over again the same way.   Right?   And then you so proficient that   it becomes a jam vehicle.   Right?   And then it becomes   a outer space vehicle.   That's what type two jamming is. Right? It's like you know, type one jamming for the Bitcoiners out there is, like,   is what Fish became really good at was,   really jamming out a song, but staying within the structure of the song, but really doing mastering a technique called tension and release where   they would   bring sort of moments of cacophony   to   a song and then resolve it perfectly, and they became really, really proficient at doing this.  

And I think, to me, that's my favorite version of Phish, my personally.   I said this in the first episode. My I'm a type one. I love, like, the   I do love these long type one jams. I love my you know,   my favorite jams of all time are the the this bathtub gin, the, 06/1894,   mind left body jam, David Bowie,   etcetera. You know?   And Bathtub Gin continues of all those songs, so, like, there's a lot of those jam vehicles that were around in the nineties, like, David Bowie's and the Antelopes and Mike songs, but I can't even   I couldn't really tell you the last time those   were really great where there's, like, a great version. Not that they're not that there's anything wrong with them.  

Right. But you could go back to we'd already we talked about it on the show. That's how recently we talked about bathtub gin. You can go back to the New Year's run this year. They played a version of bathtub gin that was absolutely, like, off the charts.   Mhmm.   And so that song still   that there's something about that song that,   you know,   it was there in the beginning as a jam vehicle, and it's still there.   It's still it's still producing magic.   So,   I wanna get into lyrics a little bit. Is that can we do that? Oh, but before Sure. Sure. Before we get into lyrics, right, I just wanna I I had to Google I didn't Google, but, like   so this whole bathtub gin thing happened in, like, the third inning of the game.  

K. And,   you know, it bothered me that I didn't know, like, I I didn't know if it really was that. And then,   around I think in the seventh inning stretch,   plays, God bless America,   and then they name   the keyboard player. They name the organist.  

[00:11:20] Unknown:

So I start googling him, and he's in a Phish cover band. Okay? When's the last time I've heard an organist called out at a at a at a sporting event? I don't know. Crazy. You know? And you caught it. And it's it's great. Go ahead.  

[00:11:32] Unknown:

His name is Chad Dinzes.   Okay? So, like, I I believe I was meant to hear this. I knew I was doing the podcast tonight.   Mhmm. Right?   And had a loose idea of what we were gonna discuss,   but I didn't know we're gonna talk about bathtub gin. I think it was on this was meant   this was meant because then I heard I started   I was in mind just, like, mind boggling traffic the way home and   was doing nothing but saying the lyrics over and over in my head,   like, the whole time.   And I started seeing some things that I think are cool. So,   and I think the lyrics are pretty cool. It's one of the fun it's a great just great song all around. It is. Right? It is.  

There's what what's the song that it's that, like, the basic chorus is based on? Like, it's Gershwin's  

[00:12:24] Unknown:

Yeah. Gershwin,   Rhapsody in Blue. Yes.  

[00:12:28] Unknown:

So, like, the Mhmm. The main riff of the song is is,   you know  

[00:12:33] Unknown:

And Fish I mean, sorry. And Page quotes it in the intro. He quotes it, like, verbatim,   rhapsody in blue for one for one one measure or one bar.  

[00:12:43] Unknown:

Yeah.   So   it's it has everything, and it has legendary just ledge the   the Murat comes to mind. Lemon the lemon whale version comes to mind. Yeah. The great Wen the Wen gin, the River Port gin. No. But I gotta talk about there's one version that there's one version   god. I'm gonna take this whole episode talking about I can't believe I'm gonna do this.   I have to do it, though. I have to. This is too this is,   it's like this is the most significant moment I've ever had with Phish in my life. Honestly, I've gone I've I've seen shows.   And it is, what's referred to as the real gin.  



[00:13:22] Unknown:

You're familiar with this one? I don't think I am. The real gin? I'm gonna learn something.  

[00:13:27] Unknown:

Okay. And, you know, we love the we love the real versions of things.   Yes. We do.   The real so 1995,   that was their second Halloween   their second Halloween run. They do The Who's Quadrophenia   Mhmm. Which includes the song The Real Me. Have you seen The Real Me? And it's   you know that song by The Who? I probably I probably outro this with the that version, The Real Jim. Yeah. Assuming that it doesn't sound horrible.   Okay. So,   my little story here is that I went to the New Year's run on in '95.   Twelve '20 '8,   probably marks this probably goes down   is the only time in,   you know, well over a hundred musical concerts.  

The only time I ever actually   sat down on a toilet at a venue.   I got really sick. I got, like, super sick   in the middle of that first show. I don't know what happened.   Okay?   But I started   I start   I needed to use the restroom first, and then,   it just got worse and worse.   And, I remember   spending most of the day on the twenty ninth just in my bed in the hotel room   in the holiday inn thinking,   please get better. I wanna, you know,   I don't wanna miss the show. This is, like, awful. You know?   Now luckily,   I was like what was I? 21 I was, yeah, I was 21 years old. Okay?   Push came to shove, and I just talked myself into going to the show. I just really felt like shit, though. I still felt horrible. I I hadn't gotten out of my I hadn't gotten out of bed all day. I hadn't eaten anything all day. Hadn't drank anything. I just felt like fucking garbage.  

Mhmm.   And,   they open they you know, I I I kinda sleepwalk through the first set.   I I'm still I'm, like, I'm genuinely feeling terrible. Just, like, dragged my ass there.   Mainly not to be   a problem for my my friend who I traveled with. Right?   It's just like, let's keep making things easy and just go to the show and be there and gut it out.   And in the second set, they opened with bathtub gin.   And   and   before you know it, that bathtub gin somehow turns into the real me by the who, and that is just like an absolute uptempo rocking. And, like, everyone's just losing their minds. Like, everybody   is losing their minds in this venue. And I realized I was losing my mind,   and I realized that I was better.  

I was like, holy shit. How did this happen? How in the fucking hell did this happen? It was like, I I realized somehow I willed myself to recovery,   via   the magic of the show.   Right. And I, honestly, I I, like, thought I was gonna, like, wake up the next day feeling sick again and feeling, like, horrible again. And I'm dead. I never looked back. You're like   And and then at some point, I realized it's a snap. Like, oh my god. That happened. That that I just I I literally just   I fished my way to recovery. And this all happened during this bathtub gin   into segues into the real me,   segues back into bathtub gin, otherwise known as the real gin.  



[00:16:54] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

[00:16:57] Unknown:

It's absolutely glorious, and   I know there's a good YouTube version. We'll put that in the show notes. Anyway, so I digress. So I digress. But that's like there is some real magic   for me and some there's some history   for me in my life, my show going life. I didn't know that was possible. This is like a,   you know, a padawan discovering   the Jedi powers that didn't need to know existed. You know?   Yeah. I was totally sober, by the way. I wasn't like, this sickness wasn't brought on by any kind of, like,   drug shit or anything like that. I was totally drinking. Nothing. I just it just was, like, I just got rocked.  

[00:17:33] Unknown:

Right. Somebody ate maybe or whatever. Yeah. Maybe. You know? Yeah.  

[00:17:38] Unknown:

Who knows? But,   it was it it was a moment of discovering my life, though, like, that I could will my way through sickness. And sometimes Right. Sometimes there might be some magic that just, like, slays it. That's  

[00:17:51] Unknown:

Sure. I think those stories were, like, you know, a father, you know, lifts a car off off their off their child or something. You know what I mean? Those those feats of feats of adrenaline, potentially.  

[00:18:01] Unknown:

Fishing. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.   There was that human giant.   He you know what human giant was?   No. Everybody should Google human giant. I hope that there's it was, an MTV sketch show   with, Aziz Ansari,   Paul Sheer, and Rob Huel. Absolute genius.   Like, absolute fucking genius. And their pilot episode was called, like, mother and son cleaning sir mother and son moving service.   And it was Linda Cardellini   from freaks and geeks.   Yeah. Linda Cardellini played Lindsay who   famously, spoiler alert,   skips out on   math camp to tour with the dead   in   the final episode.  

Hope that spoiled it for people. You should have watched it by now. Right. You all should watch freaks and geeks by now. But, anyway,   in this sketch, she's a mom, and she she's tiny. She's, like, four and a half feet tall   or maybe five feet tall, and they you know, like, she comes over as the moving company, and they're like, how are you gonna move this, refrigerator? And she drops it on her son   and just   finds the strength to, like, lift it up and take it into the truck. It's pretty funny. Yeah. It's genie and, yeah, great shit. Anyhow. Yeah.   That was worth it, though. Human Giant. You guys should look that one up. That was it really was, like, some incredible comedy back in the day. I have to check that out. I'll check that out.  

Bathtub Gin.   Speaking of comedy,   think Bathtub Gin is a comedy.   Okay?   I I really thought through the lyrics on my way home from this met game today.   And what's interesting is there's literally only one line in the song that now that   I'm clear   has a meaning to us in Bitcoin.   But I wanna cut it's a fun song. I think I don't have the lyrics written down. I'm just gonna go off memory here.   Sure. But, Brett is in the bath. Brett is in the bathtub making soup for the ambassadors,   and I am in the hallway singing to the troubadours.   What the fuck? Okay. So this song is a whimsical   it's kinda hilarious in a certain way. Like, this is a whimsical absurdity, I guess, or or something like that. Mhmm. Yeah. The Kings are all lined up outside the gate, but the and the autumn bell is ringing, but they'll just have to wait. Yeah.  

Now here's a line I like. Where's the Joker?   Have you seen him around in his three comb cap   that he wears like a crown?   I think that,   I think that Joker might be the bugle.   Joker walks around with his three comb cap that he wears like a crown, and Bugle wears that cap like a like royalty.   That's right.   And they're part of, like, this whatever scene whatever scene is being is going on here, they're clearly part of this.   Right? Mhmm. Like, we might be part of it. They're absolutely they're absolutely   on the scene.   You know what I mean? Whatever. If this is relevant, they're there. Right? Yep. Okay.  

So where's the Finally.  

[00:21:03] Unknown:

Finally, by the way.   Finally, they're here. Yeah.  

[00:21:09] Unknown:

They gave great they gave me great feedback on last week's episode, by the way. Not just because we mentioned. So but I'm gonna keep mentioning them so they keep listening.  

[00:21:17] Unknown:

I like it.  

[00:21:18] Unknown:

So have you seen them around? Have you seen where's the joker? Have you seen him around the three comb cap that he wears like a crown? Have you seen his striped stockings or heard his sad tales   about the kings under the carpet or the purple humpback whales? And it's, like, actually starting to sound like, a story that they would cover.   Like, what happened to the purple humpback whales? This is kinda sort of like what happened to the McDonald's dollar menu.   You know? Now this isn't a beautiful show, but I think, like, again, like, the they very well may be a character,   you know, in this whole thing. I I tend to convince myself that they are.  

Mhmm. So okay.   That first ends there with the purple humpback whales. And then, here so then we have the second scene. Here come the ambassadors. They and I don't know who the ambassadors are. It could be Podkoff. It's possible.   The ambassadors   kinda makes sense. Here come the ambassadors. They show up one by one. Brett is tasting all the soup to see if it is done, and Wendy's on the windowsill waiting to be let in, and   here's the line. Yeah. Here's the line. Wendy's on the windowsill waiting to be let in. And we're all in the bathtub now making bathtub gin.   Mhmm.  

Okay.   So this is the line I wanna focus on here   because that is I like,   to me, there are there are fish songs that   speak to me in Bitcoin because there are so many lines that are relevant, and I can't ignore it.   Then there are some that just look that they act like cryptography where it's just so much,   smoke   with, like, a needle buried in the in the haystack.   Okay?   We're meant not to look.   Right?   So we're all in the bathtub now making bathtub gin.   That is,   like so   I look I look at it as we are all in a network.   We're all in the bathtub.  

Mhmm. Bathtub gin, by the way,   if people don't know,   it's like was like bootleg it's like moonshine,   bootleg liquor.   So back in the days of prohibition,   people were able to make bathtub gin in their house. And when I   when I was sitting there in the Met game, I looked it up on Wikipedia, and people were using, like,   they were using, like, up to a 10 watts to   make,   heating fluid for,   you know, for the   for the gin.   Mhmm. It just sound it like, you so people were able to the key was people who were able to do it themselves in their own homes,   like like mining.  



[00:23:58] Unknown:

Right? Yeah. Non KYC,  

[00:24:00] Unknown:

non non KYC booze. There was a time. Right? Like, if you went around the world,   right, there was a time where you would have seen a lot. And, it's probably still going on a lot of areas of the world, right, where where Yeah. You go to, say, places with cheap power like,   Venezuela or   maybe Russia or maybe I don't know. But, like,   there are stories of people ordinary   people   just   as standard   running Bitcoin miners in their home. Right?   Mhmm.   It's kinda like that's   it's it's a parallel. Right? It parallels to bathtub gin. Like, bunch of people during prohibition making Pathogen. Like, this is a way you know, we are in prohibition. We are in financial prohibition.   We're in a hundred we're a little over a hundred years in   to financial prohibition.  



[00:24:52] Unknown:

Right.  

[00:24:53] Unknown:

And we are able to make Bitcoin in our bathtubs.   Right?   So that was the line. Okay. We are only in the bathtub now making bathtub gin. But then, okay, so then then the king stormed the hallway. They climbed up through the gate. They didn't mean to be impolite, but they just couldn't wait.   Maybe the king's storming the doorway   are the peep the ruling class. The king's representing the ruling class,   and they just basically destroy the party. Right? Mhmm. Where they've come to try to stop the party.   Right?   But then,   says here comes the joker with a silly with a silly grin. He carries a martini made of bathtub gin. So, like, the joker is unfazed   by the king's   doing whatever it is they're trying to do. Right? Yep. Breaking up the party. And he's just gonna drink his bathtub gin, like like it's a martini.  

Mhmm. And that's if the Joker are, like, the people I know, who I think they are,   that's exactly what they would do.  

[00:25:54] Unknown:

Yep. Right?  

[00:25:56] Unknown:

Mhmm. Smoke a cigarette for sure.   So then finally, the song   ends with the ends the lyrics end with one last verse that just says,   here comes the joker. We almost laugh   because we're all in this together, and we love to take a bath.  

[00:26:15] Unknown:

Mhmm.  

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Do with that what you will. I feel like I've done I feel like I've done enough here.   Yes. Alright?  

[00:26:24] Unknown:

Well, I I was wondering where you were gonna go with this because it's one of those songs that   I was having trouble at first glance relating in any way, shape, or form to Bitcoin.   But you've,  

[00:26:37] Unknown:

you've laid out a compelling a compelling case. I feel like I've outdone myself on this one. I didn't even think I was gonna   even, like, three hours ago, I didn't think I was gonna actually get this far.  

[00:26:52] Unknown:

I I mean, I I love the,   the bring you know, bringing in the bugle   because it's it is,   I was trying to figure out when I when I,   when I first looked at the lyrics, like, who what the joker was gonna be.  

[00:27:07] Unknown:

Yeah. And, I think you nailed it. Because those guys have brought they have brought humor back into the space for me.   Yeah. And   so they are the Joker.   Right? But they are a royal joker. They're not a joke.   Right? They're royalty.  

[00:27:25] Unknown:

Right.   Like the jester.  

[00:27:28] Unknown:

Yeah. They're not the jester.  

[00:27:30] Unknown:

Okay. You know? They're the joker.  

[00:27:33] Unknown:

They get to they're gonna joke whether you want them to or not.   And,   you know, like, it it it starts like, all these this whole scene   is becoming more vivid to me of what this all looks like.   You know?   And that it it you know, for those lyrics then to come in with that song   with that song is so strong. Right? That song is probably one of the strongest versions of the fish song. Like, I   couldn't even get to the lyrics. I had to spend,   you know, I'm looking for my time right here. Yeah. I probably had to spend twelve minutes   just talking about how strong that song was and what it meant to me personally and my experiences with it live at shows. And   Mhmm. You know, we're talking like, if you go back to 1993,   you know, we're talking about,   you know,   thirty two years of this song being   in another   bracket of   the universe.  



[00:28:33] Unknown:

Right.   Right.  

[00:28:36] Unknown:

That if you so you gotta go listen to that Murat   version,   the a 1393.   It's got it's a must.   And that's the real gym with, with real with the The real gym is 12/2995.   So that one will that one will go on the outro,  

[00:28:53] Unknown:

assuming it doesn't sound like garbage. But I'll check out I'll check out the what you're claiming is the first of to your recollection, the first example of of type two in processing. Yeah. I'd say to my yeah. To my knowledge,  

[00:29:05] Unknown:

you know, I would   to whatever's in my knowledgeable   knowledgeable lexicon, I would say so.   Yeah.   I I you know,   did somebody somebody out there   please come and let me know. Come and let us know. Us, please. Send a boost.   Send us a Let us know what's up, dude.   You know?   Let us know what what   I only go, I mean, everything that everything I've all the knowledge I formed in the nineties,   I like, hold as truth anyway. You know?   You know, we really weren't   fact checking anything.  

[00:29:44] Unknown:

No. So we're just in the in the moment as they say.  

[00:29:49] Unknown:

So,   you know, bathtub gin is really a it's almost a, like, a movie.   Yeah.   You know?  

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And and and you're right in saying it's, like, one of the stronger   it's it's a very uniquely fish song.   Yeah. You could say that about a lot of their composition, but I don't know. Bathtub gin is is up there because I feel like even the casual   casual onlooker, maybe someone that's been exposed to just a little bit of fish, they know that song. They know that song. They probably know Reba. Well, the Gershwin lit the Gershwin lit Yeah. Is just Yep. You know, it's a big hook.   Because the Gershwin lick, if nobody knows what we're talking about, is was famous for probably a decade, maybe fifteen years, was in the United Airlines Yes. Television commercial.  

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Yeah. I wasn't too I was so obscure. I wasn't even gonna drop that one. But that's how I learned that's where I learned it. I learned it from that commercial. So Yep.  

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I heard the lick. I knew it was familiar,  

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and then I had to do some research and found out it was Gershwin. Do you know do you guys know that airlines actually used to have to have they used to have to advertise and do marketing   for peep because they used to actually compete with each other?   It's wild. True. You're doing it for the airlines. Saw a freaking   airline commercial?  

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Well, it's it's because they got displaced,   you know, by the by all the pharmaceutical advertising.  

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Yeah. Like, it's wild. But,   it was United Airlines. Their slogan was or maybe it was Eastern Airlines flying the friendly skies. Like, they really put effort into marketing,   into making you really want   wanna fly with them.   Yeah. Pre 09:11 too is a totally different ballgame.   Yeah. It was. I reminisce.  

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Well, do you know in '90 I'd, I unfortunately looked this up. I'm gonna do a little bit of a type two right now.   I was in the   American Huddl and I were having a conversation with others. This was, like, a couple days ago in Clubhouse, and we were talking   about he brought up the fact that in 2012   or 2013,   a law was changed. There was a revision to   laws that basically made state sponsored   propaganda legal within The United States. That's right. Yeah. And   so we went we went back, and we're like, what were other, like, turning points? And one of them was in 1997 is when pharmaceutical advertising was permitted   on television.  

Up until that point, that was illegal for pharmaceuticals   to,   directly market to consumers.   They could they could market to doctors. Pretty out of control   at this point. Yeah. So you said ever since, you know, since 09/11, that was, you know, three or four years prior was,  

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actually, some rules were changed that may have also impacted. I mean, it was pretty sweet rolling through an airport. Like, I remember,   when I flew   to Vegas for the 98 Halloween shows.   You know, I had a I lugged my guitar with me, and I,   you know, I was in the airport very early. I was in but, you know, you can they used to have lockers. You can check them in. Yeah.  

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Like, I remember today, I have no idea. They have no idea. And and I don't know firsthand. I wasn't flying a lot pre pre I had just graduated college the year before. Before. No. Actually, that that spring.   But I remembered meeting sales reps in my in my industry later, and they were like, yeah. Airplanes. It was like literally catching a taxi. You just walked in and you got on a plane.   It was it was just amazing before.  

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Well, the second song   on my set list today   is also is a pre 09:11   phenomenon,   just like bathtub gin.   This one   okay. So   the   okay. We had some we exchanged some text throughout the week.   Mhmm.   I had a little bit of a I had a little bit of a a weird   kinda   weird thought.   There's certain things I've been listening to fish wise for thirty years, and, like, I can't even there's certain things I can't even put words to.   Okay?   Like, there's certain   ways I feel about certain,   like, literally, like, measures or   it's a it could be as short as a measure. Right? Mhmm. A four beat measure that I can't even put words around what I think about it.   And or I wouldn't even think to.  

You know? And I've told you, like, that   listening to fish was love at first note. I don't even think that's an accurate description. It's just that, like, a puzzle   a puzzle that was jumbled in my brain got put together in a second.   And that's the best   best way I could describe it. And Mhmm. This particular song   is the, like,   it's the perfect avatar for all of that. It's foam.   K. Okay? I don't know how you feel about foam.  

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Oh, I love I love foam, but I haven't really dug into it. But I I'm always happy when I hear it.  

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I've always thought that I was the only person on earth who really liked who really liked that song. Most I really have felt that way for a long time. I know, like, Harris Whittles said he liked it, but I'm pretty sure he was just trolling people. He wanted people to hate him. Well, I can tell you  

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most drummers   that are into fish like foam just because of the cool, like   Yeah. The cool Yeah. And the the little cowbell action is just a cool little and it's and it's it's an easy pattern to play. It's not the hardest thing in the world.  

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Musically,   I'll just so last week, I said I was a sucker for certain types of songs, mainly, like,   songs about dead friends, like, songs that, like, are about, like, friends that passed.   I just have a soft spot for songs like that.   Musically,   that soft spot   is for,   what's   musically called chromatic progressions.   So a chromatic   progression is something that goes up, like, a half step.   So   it just be like, boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. And you can hear me singing foam right here. Right? Right. It just goes and that's all it does. Right? And but then,   god, now I'm really torn because I want like, my favorite version of Foam is,   Amy's Farm, 08/03/1991.  

Even though I think that the song got the song peaked in 1993,   like, in terms of just the expertise   of it Yes. And the converse   like, I view the so I view Trey solo   in the song as a conversation.   Like that like, his guitar is having a conversation with my mind.   I can't I can't put words to it. It's ineffable. Yeah. But he it like, his phrases   are really like sentences.   And,   okay. This isn't, this is not an music appreciation   segment here. This is actually building to a point.   Okay?   That's I wanna make that clear. Like, I'm not just saying, oh, I really like this, and this is why I like it. It's this has nothing to do with me liking it.   Okay. This has to do with   why do I like it, or why does why was   why is it that this way?  

Music normally doesn't have this effect on me where, like, I feel like I'm having some type of subconscious conversation with the   artist.   Okay? And I don't know that there's any other artist I don't that that happens with. So, like, it's not a common it's not a common thing.   So   that is all to say   that,   I think what,   like, Fish has accomplished with the song foam and there are lyrics, and I think the song and the lyrics. I think it's about going down a rabbit hole. Okay?   And that's that's what I would say.   Yeah. The lyrics are they're very straightforward. I am looking through, and it all would seem so crystal clear if it wasn't for the phone.  

But the phone keeps getting thicker, and it just keeps getting harder, and I'm falling into a deep well. Yeah. That's it. That's it. So it's like, yes. Things are not clear. I can't make sense of them. I feel like I should be able to, and I'm gonna go down into the rabbit hole   Mhmm. And let myself   put myself at the mercy of gravity.   And,   but this then the music itself, though, becomes this strange   it's just this strange,   I don't know, transcendental   conversation.   And,   okay. So here's the here's my conclusion. Okay? I don't know if I've done enough setup on this to make this conclusion, but I'm gonna do it anyway.  

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Okay.  

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I think Fish may have maybe   may have written the music that will actually   be understood by   and communicate with the aliens.  

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Now I've heard you talk about aliens before, but never on this show.  

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Never on this show. Yeah.   Well,   you know   okay. Let me let me make a comedy analogy.   K? There's comedians that know how to make people laugh.   Right?   Chuckle, chuckle.   There's comedians that   make us think about,   things in a different way.   Yeah. Yeah. But then your perspective. Yeah. But then I think there are comedians that are also on this level where just   their their mere presence   and their mere   effort   is pushing   something   that is like   something like that. I can't even explain. Like, I feel this way about I've always felt this way about Louie.  

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Okay.  

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And, like, a little bit about Dave Chappelle at his best.   Yep. We're just, like, it doesn't even matter what they're saying.  

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You know what I mean? They're they're they're on a different plane. And and and if I translate, like, what you mean by aliens and   funny enough,   I mean, I think I mentioned   that I bumped into, an old episode of rock paper Bitcoin where   you guys talked a little bit about what I'm about to get into.  

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And Yeah. We do mention aliens. We I mean, I have views I have views about aliens.  

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Right.   But but let me let me clarify because I think that it might help the audience. It might help me a little   bit.   You know, there some people look at aliens as, like, foreign life. Other people look at aliens as potentially   a   a reflection of human potential   as if we were to progress further. Like, kind of let me put it this way. If you think of,   life as energy and energy as vibration, that aliens might be at a higher frequency,   which which in which is correlated with amount of energy. And there's a  

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Then then where we cover a song didn't fish cover a song that says exactly that?  

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Is that   energy?   Yeah.   Yeah. Who's that a cover from?   It's kind of a it's kind of a cheesy song when I first heard it, but it is good.  

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It is good. It is good. The first time I heard it, I liked it. Yep.  

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Most people feel that way, but I was like, that's a Is like, that's a radio show or something like that. I don't know. Yeah. It's somebody somebody moves a radio. It was a radio song, but I can I can look it up? But is that what you mean? Like, as as you're talking about maybe, like, operating on a different like, a higher plane of existence, a consciousness.  

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There's, well, definitely a higher plane of existence and consciousness.   And, again, to be clear, I'm not a drug guy.   You know? Mhmm. So, like, for whatever that's worth, this isn't coming from   this isn't coming from that place. This is coming from well, the way I view aliens   is,   that they probably   are in the position to determine whether or not   we   survive.   You know, that whether or not we actually make it or whether like, I think that they look I think the alien they when I the way I look at aliens are they they,   they view Earth   as our with our potential. They view us as having potential,   but probably see us as,   inevitably gonna kill each other.  

And I view the   creation of Bitcoin   as,   creating the possibility   that we they might actually view us as   not that   because   we actually look like we invented something that's gonna encourage cooperation.   Right. And so I have this   kind of thing where,   you know, they   apparently, aliens saw when we split the atom.  

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Right.  

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And but splitting the atom because splitting the atom, though, was a sent a signal that we had figured out how to destroy each other. And and the whole universe would have been able to pick up that signal. So, like, they probably are like, shit, dude. There's these guys don't have much time left. Let's go over there and figure out the hell's going on before they all just fucking nuke each other to death. Right? Yep. So what if also like, what if they could see the hash rate?   Or what if there's a what if there is a hash rate they could see? What if they can't see? Maybe they can't see   600 exahash, but maybe it's maybe they could see 3,000   exahash. Mhmm. Right? And right now, we're at, what, 900 or so. Something like that. That'd be so the the idea is there's a certain amount of exahash they could see.  

This is gonna be the this would be the one time,   like, Trey or Tom Marshall. It's like, hey. Let me go check this podcast out. Okay?   And they're gonna listen to this episode. Be like, what the fucking hell? I well, why has   what have I been hearing about? This is total, total nonsense. Prank caller. Prank caller. Anyhow   Mhmm. Hash rate.   There there's a certain amount of hash rate. I think that implies that the human race is putting energy   towards something   cooperative   that they may actually   they might actually conclude that we're worth saving.  

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Right.   Right? Yeah. Yeah.  

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And it so then if that's the case, that right?   They will need other indications.   And,   you know, a +1 993 phone   is an indication.   That's what I I I mean, maybe they saw that. Like, that's what I mean. Like, maybe they heard   maybe they heard   that.   Maybe they heard Amy's Farm's version of phone.   Right? Or maybe it was the 08/13/1993   bathtub gin.   And it may be anytime they actually hear a type two jam out of fish.   They're getting look. We haven't done this on the show yet, and there will be an episode. I promise you, there will be an episode on the vibration of life.  

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Mhmm. Okay?  

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I don't know how many times it appears on a set list. It's in probably   it's above 50  

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Yeah.  

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Where,   Trey   narrates   that   you guys are experiencing the vibration of life. We're now tuning into the human frequency. I mean, this is all part of fish lore.   But maybe they may you know, fish is like the bugle   in a lot of ways. And a lot of times, the joke is not it turns out not to be a joke.  

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Yes.  

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That there's signal there. Yeah. Okay. Right? I mean and it's so funny. Like, people think they're those guys are joking about so many things, and, like, majority of it's like, no, dude. She's serious.  

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Everything else  

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is everything else is the joke. And Trey you know, so Trey was like is like, oh, we're calling into another world.   We are flying into another world. We're gonna you know, he's using our imaginations, but it I think it's really likely   that   that is picked up by certainly picked up by spirits, and maybe it's picked you know, when I   my my naive view of the aliens are, like, the ones that actually   know what they're doing and can actually actually have an interest the ones that actually have an interest in us here, interest in human race. Right? Right.   Maybe they, you know, maybe they picked up on that. Maybe and and it's interesting. I was thinking about this on my way home. Like, you know, I was thinking about the just the trajectory. I don't think there's any other band   that,   certainly, that I would think communicates with the aliens. And I, like, I thought about the dead   and and and It's not there.  

No way. They were not they were here to communicate with us, for sure. Like, the human race   Now they had weird stuff,   but it was strictly weird. It wasn't Mhmm.   Like, foam is weird, but foam is composed.   Yeah.   Okay. Right?   Divided sky   is composed,   and I don't think it's composed for us.   I think it's composed   for   whoever,   like, whatever Trey was tapped into, which I think,   you know, I don't think it's crazy to say Trey was tapped into some alien intelligence   when he wrote all of those songs.  

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I don't think that's crazy either. I think,   yeah, if anything, he's,   you know, he's an embodiment of the whole everything that we've touched on explaining, like, how fish came to be   outside of the   typical the typical pathway of, you know, musical success and   and and Trey just being so so convinced   and so creative   and so innovative,   it's hard to argue with.  

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Yes. That level of creativity   and conviction   paired together   is Mhmm. He's tapped into something.   You know? Maybe it's the story of the ghost.   Right? And Right. Maybe we we're gonna have to   we're gonna have to hit that at some point in time.   Mhmm. But,   you so you have the song phone that,   you know, one time for, my birthday,   my daughter   got a,   she just found a piece of foam, and she wrote 1993   on it and gave it to me because she heard me she's heard me say so many times how much I love 90 nineteen ninety three phones. Yeah. Yeah.  

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Well, I'll check some out. I've been reading notes if you haven't noticed. I'm actually I'm actually gonna follow-up on some of this stuff.  

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So I was lucky enough to catch a phone on, in Redding   in 2013.   That in that 2013 Redding show, which is Yes. I think the only time they played in I was there. Yeah. I was there. It was weird be it was weird to see Amish people at a fish show.  

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That was it was like seven six, seven thousand people. Right? Yeah.   Yeah. That was a great show. Yeah. Yeah. We I I I took a bus with a bunch of my, I met I told you I had a bunch of fish friends that all knew each other from camp, so I was kinda the outsider, like, from sleepaway camp and during the summer. Mhmm. And there was, like, 20 of them, and I was I was the one person kind of outside of that circle. But,   anyway, I got a I got a free ride to the show,  

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but it was a lot of fun. Oh, yeah. So there was another thing I had to I feel like I have to cover here today,   and it's it's markets.   K. I have to cover this right now.   So   and that that Redding show reminded me of it because   I don't know. I don't remember what happened in October of thirteen, but   I got chewed the hell out by my boss on my way to that Redding show on Wow. You know, for it's not for, like, leaving early. It's just because Yeah. The market was shitting itself that day,   and something was just something was wrong.   And,   anyone listening to this, you'll this will probably drop on this will probably drop Monday afternoon.  

Mhmm.   April 7.   We are in the middle we are in the middle of,   some pretty good market chaos. So the question is how bad is it gonna be? And the reason I bring it up in a Phish podcast   is,   you know, my first essay, I wrote about how Phish   has extraordinary market timing.   Right? They missed,   they missed the February,   you know, the nine eleven, two thousand tech crash.   Mhmm. They missed the great financial crisis.   They missed   2020.   Right? So they were out for all of these periods of time, and I said only Nancy Pelosi has better market timing   than fish.  

The question is,   is fish gonna come   back?   If the markets go to if the if this continues,   if this if this backslide continues and we really go into a bad crisis,   does fish go on hiatus?   Is this, like, an indicator?  

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I don't have tickets to summer tour yet. I don't know if you have tickets to any shows, but I Well, they'll play summer tour because they've they've never not  

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gone through with the tour that they had planned. Right?   They've never not done that.   Even as painful as 02/2004   was Yeah. They still went through with it.  

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True. True.  

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But the question   is are they you know, is this going to be   for all we know, I mean, do   do really bad markets just cause or   or,   you know,   is this time different?   Mhmm.   Right? Is this time gonna be different?   Because maybe this time is different.   Maybe they after forty one years of,   you know, maybe they just really weren't strong enough for these market downturns the first three times, and now they just maybe they are.  

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Yeah.   And what's the deal? So, overnight, what Nikkei   Nikkei,  

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a circuit break? They they just It's already happened. Yeah. So, Yeah. It's the Taiwan markets have already circuit broken. We're doing this at at it's almost 10:00PM   on Sunday, April 6. So, yeah, the Asian markets are already so we've had two, like, you know, Thursday and Friday were, like, you know, both, like, four plus percent drops in the S and P.   Yep.   This is more market   this is more market   coverage than I do on Rock Paper Bitcoin.  

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It's pretty fun.   But, I mean, the timing is perfect because it is Sunday night. It is Sunday related to fish. The fit I mean, I you know,  

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the only time I even wrote about markets was in my fish essence.  

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That's true.  

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Because they do have an uncanny ability of tapping out when things get really bad.   Mhmm. So we think this time is different, and they're just gonna they're gonna power through it. Yeah. I mean,  

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I think it's,   do you wanna know my take on it? Because I'm curious as to yours from a from a from an intuitive from an intuitive standpoint.   I think Japan is a isn't a market that's I know we had the what? The end carry trade blow up. What about   how long ago was that? It was a it was a hundred. Like, nine months ago? August. Yeah. So August August of last year.   And I just don't think I think they're in a   special situation.   Obviously, the tariff news is hitting them harder.   Maybe I I don't know what they did on Friday, their Friday,   after Trump gave his little little little announcement.  

But,   I don't know. I don't think I don't think   I don't think The US is gonna be as impacted  

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on this one. So maybe this time is different because   for better or for worse, they don't Phish never took off in Japan.   They had that one tour in February, and then that was that was that was it for That was good. That was in the first hiatus.  

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Yeah. So what do you think?  

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Hard to say.   I do think we're I think it's gonna be bloody for a couple for a little bit.   I could tell you guys what I think about Bitcoin right now is that I so I did rock paper Bitcoin yesterday morning,   and I said that I was saying that I thought I'm surprised Bitcoin hasn't already dipped.   Yes. So I can say this now because I set I I'm on record from a day and a half ago. I'm on record of saying   Bitcoin should have already dipped. So,   people talk about correlation,   and it's not correlation. It's causation.   Bad markets   you know, the S and P goes down 10%. That's that's, like, $5,000,000,000,000   of market cap lost, and that's three times   what Bitcoin is total. So   Yep. Bitcoin people should be selling the only the only market that's open. So the theory always is not the theory. It's just that what what you see is when Yeah. When you have,   bad markets,   going into a weekend, usually see Bitcoin dip that weekend because people have to sell something.  

Yep. And the fact that we went through yesterday and it didn't happen, and it didn't really happen until, like, Asian markets started waking up today.  

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Correct.  

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Dude,   I'm so I'm, like, I can't believe it. I almost can't believe how resilient it is. Me too.   I don't know, man. I I feel pretty good about it. That's all I could say. Yeah. I don't like to be a market boy or anything like that. I'm not a market person either, but I I think I I agree with you. Market person.   What I spent my life in capital markets. But I don't like Right. As a   you know, it's just not You don't talk about it. Yeah. I'm really only I mean, my main interest in markets on this show is whether or not they actually predict whether fish is going on hiatus, frankly.  

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And, I mean But it is good to it is good to differentiate Bitcoin from the markets that we're talking about because,  

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Bitcoin did hold up. But on a serious note, I mean, it could be that Fish needs to experience   a market   big market drop   because, look, they we noted it. So we've talked about it before that it's like fish   experiences the they experience all of the sensations of their fans.   Mhmm. They're like a vessel.   It's like out of a Star Trek, like, next generation episode, but they really are. They're like they're like the thing that absorbs   the emotions   of   their fans. Like, they channel their fan base   like no one like no one else. Exactly.   And it may be that they just it was too much for them to experience the suffering of   the people.  

And maybe they do have to now go they're older. They can go through it. Maybe they do have to go through it   so that they can really understand   that pain.   Right? Because they may not like,   I don't know how anyone can figure out   Bitcoin   if they haven't been through a few,   you know, been through a few market collapses and felt that pain.   Yep. And held on or or whatever drew So I'm amazed at these kids. I'm like, I'm amazed at the young thugs out there   that can that really latch in without without having experienced all that. That's Yeah. Pretty remarkable to me.   But I think Phish as   boomers,   you know, I think they need to get you know, they need to experience that punch in the gut,   not pick from their own portfolios. I mean, like, from the perspective,   the thing they never did before.  

See, they they have their own portfolios in the past. They just weren't playing   on stage and being   the vessel   that Yeah.   You know, the the vessel to   sort of express and absorb the   The collective pain. The collective emotion. Yeah. The goings on of their fans.   Because they're gonna do that, and they're gonna do that off stage too. But there's something, you know, on stage. They really get it. I think it's time. I think everyone's ready. It's time. It's now or never.   So I I maybe this summer tour is really the one that   drives it all home.