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Bryan Adams - Run to You
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[00:00:38] Unknown:

The country never embraced fish.   The country of Canada. I didn't know that. The country of Canada never embraced fish yet.   Yet.  

[00:00:47] Unknown:

They did but they did do one show in Toronto. Correct?  

[00:00:51] Unknown:

They've done more than one show in Toronto. Well, was so okay. Here. Let me ask you a question. Mhmm.   I think I know the answer. But in '94, you remember when Trey, like, broke his leg?   So I I went to Penn State   April eighth nineteen ninety four. Remembered vividly because   go, when we went back to my friend's dorm,   we found out Crook Copeland killed himself. Oh, wow.   Which maybe he did days before, but I associate that day as the day. Mhmm. 04/08/1994,   that's my second show.  

[00:01:24] Unknown:

Wow.  

[00:01:25] Unknown:

And I remember for a couple of reasons, one of them was that so you know my daughter's a math major. Yeah.   It's like, how is that related?   She goes to Penn State and it is related. However,   doxing everything,   it's relevant because,   that semester,   I had a math I had, like, the greatest math professor of my life. This guy's name is John Allen Paulus.   And, like, when I saw him enter the classroom, I knew exactly who he was. So I knew who he was because he was on Letterman.   He was on Letterman   plugging a book he wrote called mathematics and humor.   Wow. He's on Letterman. And I was a obsessed I was, like, obsessed with Letterman late the late show. Letterman,   there could be, like,   a kind of a pre version of this show that discusses what Letterman was in the eighties when he was on from 11:30 to 12:30. A hundred a % on board with with with his genius during that time period.  

And how, basically,   Fish's entire   entire dream   culminated   on 12:30   ninety four   with them playing at MSG. But what else did they do that night? They were on Letterman for the first time. Right. And what they played So, like, there's played chalk dust. Was it? They played chalk dust. They played chalk dust. So that that video for that is in is embedded in one of my blog posts. Okay.   And it's it's truly, like, everybody should go to the blog post and just watch the watch that video. It's true. Percent cosine. Yep.   And, like, you know how sometimes,   like, the I'll tell you, it used to be for Phish, like, you couldn't get you really couldn't get him into it for a few songs. Like, it took him a few songs to warm up.  

And   I think after Letterman, they did, like, they did a couple of, you know, they did more Letterman and more Conans, and they did more of these shows, and they did, like, character zero Mhmm.   Sense and subtle sounds. But I will tell you this, they never like, that first time on Letterman, they were just so psyched that the energy was there right away %. Right into the solo. It was a perfect, perfect version of like, a perfect three and a half minute version of Chalk and Storage. And Paul, if you notice when the when the when the camera pans, Paul is also   getting into it, playing his keyboards along with the band. It's fucking awesome. Absolutely. He's so into it. Mhmm. And, like, Letterman just goes, hey. Where are you guys from? And then Fishman goes, Burlington. And Letterman just goes, you guys need a ride home? That's so good.  

And he famously held the CD upside down Yes. Yes. When he,   which was hoist.  

[00:03:59] Unknown:

Right? Mhmm. Hoist. Yeah. But Truck Does Torture was not on. It's not on the band on the album. No.  

[00:04:05] Unknown:

So wow. Okay. Where is this tangent from? We so hold on. We went back to Letterman.   Oh,   I recognized my math teacher because he was on Letterman. Okay. I was obsessed   with   11:11   thirty to 12:30   old school late show letterman. It was, like, my   high school   and college just well, college, he got the, you know, when I got to college, he got the 11:30 show. Right? That was that was a big deal that he got the late show. Right. But that decade prior to that, oh my   god. It was like it was fish like for pop culture,   I would say. Yeah. I think that's fair. Truly the goods. Yeah. Truly had the goods and everything that awesome happened happened on that show. So,   I recognized his math teacher, John Allen Paulos. Okay?  

And I recognized him, and he looked like a fucking alien. That's why he was very easy to recognize. He literally looks like he's not of this realm.   And this is the guy that rolls into my classroom that semester.   And this is all   everyone's gonna hate me. All 20 people that listen to this are gonna hate me for how the story ends. But,   I just refused to leave for Penn State until I was done with this class. I refused to miss one second of this guy's class.   It was just that this guy was that good. Yeah. I mean Yeah. So we missed  

[00:05:26] Unknown:

what's that? I was gonna say he must have been pretty,   he must have been doing some interesting work to end up on Letterman.  

[00:05:33] Unknown:

Yeah. He wrote this book called math and humor, and it's like the mathematics of humor.   And, I should cover this on my math podcast. But, like, he goes really kinda deep into   incongruences   and how everything funny comes from an incongruence.   You know, as somebody who studied math and comedy pretty closely Yeah. Like, you know, it's it's,   something that always I always appreciated, and I love his books. Like, I've read   almost probably every one of the books that he's written.   So I was obsessed with this. He's now, like, a retard, unfortunately. He's, like, totally deranged. Like, I you know, he's on Twitter. Nobody   he's in it for the love of the game. Nobody   responds or I mean, he has, like, a hundred thousand followers, but nobody likes or corresponds with them. He just, like, you know, puts out nutty,   you know,   whatever chip, you know, like, putting the chip in your brain tweet is.  

The v chip. Whether it's, like, Ukraine or the the environment. I read him. It hurts me to see him so Right. Missing. You know? Yeah. But,   I love this man, and I missed the first   I think we missed the first song   because I refused to leave Philadelphia   until   I was absolutely done in his   class. So, that was the story.   I mean, was is that the end of this story? Is that how we ended   up talking about this? Or is there is this tangent incomplete? I went all the way back to Letterman.   Yep. Came   back, Penn State, math, seeing fish at Penn State. Oh, no. Okay. No. Here it is. I got the closer. Got the I'm ready to land the plane.   So after four eight ninety four was 49 in Binghamton, and then I think   410 was Toronto was supposed to be Toronto. Mhmm.  

And I think he broke his leg   in Binghamton.   Trey Broke His Leg. He fell off the stage.  

[00:07:29] Unknown:

Oh, I didn't I didn't know this story. Okay. Dude,  

[00:07:31] Unknown:

I like,   at four eight at Penn State, I mean, my enduring memory of the show, I was stoned like crazy. So, like, I barely I don't remember much. Mhmm. My enduring   memory is   maze where he's   he is pumping his head. He's banging his head so hard. His glasses keep falling off and, like, somehow,   while   shredding his goddamn   face off, he keeps he has a free hand to keep putting his   glasses back up the bridge of his nose.   Okay?   It's like my enduring memory of the show.   And when I read   on the Internets that he breaks his leg the next day or injured himself, I would just imagine that he was   waywardly trying to pull his put his glasses up and   just didn't know where he was and fell. Right.  

So I don't I think they I think the Toronto show got canceled,   and maybe that made his maybe that made history   or I could be wrong. They could have done the Toronto show, But I thought there was at least one show canceled, and then there was a Toronto show   right in that,   but that's how few there were few and far between because the country of Canada and this is how we started the show, pretty sure. Country of Canada never really embraced fish. And I have friends in Canada on IRC.   We had a lot we had a few Canadians   that, you know, were pretty stoked. We'd always wanna go see them, let's say, in Burlington Yeah. Anywhere up north. Or,   you know,   Detroit, I guess. Mhmm.  

But it's kinda wild how that never really took. Like, they were bigger in Europe. You know, they had bigger tours in Europe. They went to Europe twice for two kind of legendary tours.   The  

[00:09:18] Unknown:

Japan shows were well attended Yeah. Even though That is it that jumps off the page for sure.  

[00:09:26] Unknown:

It does. It especially when we we haven't even revealed why we're talking about Canada right now.   Why are we why are we talking about I mean, you know, it's so strange that   they grew up in Burlington.   The band did. Right? The band was formed   within mere miles  

[00:09:50] Unknown:

of the Canadian border. Right? There's plenty of pop culture up there.  

[00:09:54] Unknown:

How is it that that happened? How is it that they were all over the Northeast?   Right? Every   every, you know,   every basically liberal arts college Mhmm. From Burlington to   Portland, Maine   down to,   you know,   down to Philly area. Right? The whole that whole belt, they covered they they covered it incredibly.   They never got they never went up to Canada. They couldn't play a college in Canada, the University of Toronto or Waterloo or Yeah.   I  

[00:10:28] Unknown:

I don't know. It's wild. It begs the question.  

[00:10:31] Unknown:

It does beg the question.   It does beg the question because,   I had a I had a revelation over the weekend.  

[00:10:40] Unknown:

I wanna hear it.  

[00:10:41] Unknown:

Alright.   So, you know, we know, like, we we know that Trey   claims   that   when he was writing all the formative songs of Fish   up in the Northeast Kingdom, not Burlington, but he was renting a cabin in the Northeast Kingdom Of Vermont Mhmm. Which is where the famous Coventry was, and this is where he told the story. Right?   We know that he was very far away from pop music. Now we're talking early eighties.   Right? Mhmm. Early mid eighties.   Far away.   Except I had a revelation, and I haven't covered   that I am certain.   And I'm saying and you know what? This goes out to Trey. When you hear this,   you can confirm or deny. Feel free to   post a comment or send a boost.  

That's how you comment on fountain. So, Trey, if you need if you're on you listen on fountain, you can send us a message with a boost. Yeah. You want some You'll have to get some bit Want some trace outs? Get a little Bitcoin. We'll turn them into a little Bitcoin. We'll turn them into ordinals and all that. It'll be great.   I'm I'm certain Trey was a fan of Bryan Adams.   I'm certain of it. This is something, like, I'm more certain of this than I am of almost anything I've ever said on the show in   the prior eight episodes.   I should just leave it at that. Let's move on. Yeah. Let's move on.  

Okay. Why do I say this? This is the Bryan Adams episode.   I was a fan of Bryan Adams. I was, like, if I was a fan of Bryan Adams, you know what's funny? I there was this kid I went to high school with. His name was Scott Colbert.   And,   like, I went to high school   in so I only really attended ninth and twelfth grades. I didn't go to tenth and eleventh. Once I got my driver's license, I've just bounced out. I couldn't most people know the story. Oh, cool.   Couldn't do it.   I just couldn't fucking do it. But,   when I did go,   I found myself with a group of people that would debate who the best   guitar players were. This is like so ninth grade was 1989  

[00:12:53] Unknown:

Mhmm. For me. Okay.  

[00:12:55] Unknown:

And then twelfth grade was 1992.   And so the debates over I mean, there were some pretty great guitar players in the world   at that time.   Even in, like, in pop music. Right? Just regular ass pop music. There were,   like, probably   50 guitar players that   would destroy   anybody in pop music today. And, you know, any of these session musicians. I'm sure the session musicians in The Bronx is still good. Yeah. But they, like, they weren't like, you had, like, guys like Paul Gilbert   in pop bands, Nuno Bettencourt,   you guys like that in pop you know, Dave Mustaine, you know, Marty Friedman.  

Anyway, so we used to have these debates   over,   who is, like, the best guitar player. And I was a big Jimi Hendrix guy. Mhmm. And so, you know, I mean, it seems very passe and cliche   today to be like, oh, Jimi Hendrix is so good. Right?   But in   1989,   it wasn't as   you know, Jimi Hendrix's exploits were not as well known. That's fair. Yeah. Especially to, you know, to high school kids. Yeah.   I got turned on by a guy that,   you know, it's like, I knew your life will never be the same. You know? You know, I was turned on to Jimi Hendrix in ninth grade, and I was already a guitar player   for, you know,   four years.  

I started playing when I was 10   and, you know, getting introduced to Jimi. So, anyway, there was this guy   that made this case always   with a total dead straight face.   And this is the only reason I know the name of Bryan Adams' guitar player. Okay?   But he made this case that Keith Scott was the greatest guitar player on face of this earth.   And you know what?   If you ask me secretly,   he's a pretty damn, like, good guitar player. Okay? He actually   I really enjoy a lot of work he does on those pop albums. Mhmm. Especially the song we're gonna talk about. Mhmm. Okay?   My first guitar was a Squire Strat,   black and white,   and   he played this black and white strat in this video   that   you know? So   and, you know, he played a guitar just a simple guitar run, but it's very well done, very well produced. And I you know, he had really great little fills, nice tone. Mhmm.  

I'd give it to him, but, I mean, this guy, Scott Covert, was out of his fucking mind. Putting him in the list. At the top of the list.   Yeah. I mean, you know, putting him at the top of the list is like,   we're nine 1989. I mean, you just, like, you just go to the cheesiest bands in the world, Bon Jovi, you know, White Lion. These had these had incredible,   incredible guitar players. Mhmm. Guns and Roses. Richie Samborov.  

[00:15:46] Unknown:

Sorry? You you know, Guns and Roses during that time period. Oh, mhmm.  

[00:15:51] Unknown:

Slash that. Vito Brada, White Lion, who   I've just a big fan. Even, like, Bullet Boys. I mean, you like these   cheesy bands that had, like, really incredible classically chain guitar players. And then you had the Nudo Benjords, the Joe Satrianis, the Steve Vyse. You know, you still even, like, Eddie Van Halen who was, like, you know, just playing love songs by that time, but they were damn good. Mhmm.   Okay. All these guys are going ahead. Keith Scott. Okay? We're not having this debate right now.   K?   But you know who's a fan of Keith Scott?   Trey Anastasio.  

And that is just I Keith Scott and Bryan Adams are in this man's head. Okay? K. And I can prove it k. And I'm going to. Okay. Okay.   So,   it all started,   you know, it all started with, I think, Ghost of the Forest.  

[00:16:44] Unknown:

And, Which you've brought up in the in previous episodes.  

[00:16:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Is this a good starting point, you think, for this story, Ghost of the Forest? I think so. Yeah. I think that's right.   Okay.   There's a song on Ghost of the Forest called About to Run, and now I've written about   this song.   One of my essays   is loosely related   to,   Caswell Voxed,   which has nothing to do with About to Run.   It's not all the other than the fact that, again, it's about a band that's not Phish, but really is. Yeah.   Ghost of the Forest is not Phish, but About to Run ended up in Phish's repertoire. Is that right?   Okay.  

About to Run is known for its,   basic chord progression   of,   I wanna say e minor.   Mhmm. And then it's like e minor twice   and then   g a.   Down and   out.   Down,   down, down, down, down, down.   So, like, that is,   that is how that song goes.   I'm gonna get to the lyrical significance of it with regards to Bitcoin in a minute. Mhmm.   K. So because I'm not you know, this is a this is a Bitcoin and fish related podcast. So we're not just just I didn't just find out a fun fact about Brian Adams. K? So Brian Adams had a song called run to you. Run to you. I'm on a run to you, and that had the same chord progression, e minor,   g, a.  

And that is,  

[00:18:27] Unknown:

link we'll link all these songs in the show notes. Yep. But, you know, I don't remember what year it was. Maybe '84 or '83. I was gonna say that. I I did I did a little bit of digging on it. Like, '84 is the year. Correct. Go ahead.  

[00:18:40] Unknown:

The song was big, and it was great. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I could see why Trey would love it. Okay. Like, I don't And I think Trey and I have very similar,   taste in music,   whatever it's worth. That's why I've loved this band for thirty some odd years. Right. Right? I happen to you know, it's probably true that we share   we share taste in music. Right? Mhmm.   At some level.   It's a great song.   Okay. So you know what?   I find myself the same place I was when I started talking about Golgi apparatus. Like, you know what? You may you may say to yourself,   alright.  

So what? It's a song that shares chord progression. So what?   I got two so whats, and we're gonna talk about both of them.   But,   the first so what is gonna be a second connection,   which is actually not any Fish fan knows this.   But,   Bryan Adams famously   had another big hit song called summer sixty nine.   Trey, I don't remember when, maybe 02/2009,   started playing a song called summer of eighty nine. Mhmm.   And I remember the first time I saw summer of eighty nine on a set list. And I thought to myself,   dude, there's like a 15% chance this is exactly the summer of sixty nine just with the words changed to to things that happened in '89. Yeah.   It wasn't. And so, you know, I but I remember thinking to myself,   this is, like,   pretty close. This is as close as Trey's ever come, I feel like, to, like,   you know, just outrightly   doing something very similar to another artist. Right.  

And it almost, like, was a deception. It was almost like, oh, he must not even know who the fuck Bryan Adams is.   Right?   Like, that was my conclusion. I mean, so, like, in 02/2009, and I see this song called summer of eighty nine, and then I see it has nothing to do with the Bryan Adams song.   I conclude what  

[00:20:39] Unknown:

Tray must not even have any clue who Bryan Adams is if he did that. It's binary. Right? It's like either he's it was a % inspired by Bryan Adams or he has no idea who Bryan Adams is.  

[00:20:50] Unknown:

Yeah.   You know, the I mean, the so that's another just a it's just a very interesting connection. Now here's the other connection. That song Run to You   is about Bryan Adams basically cheating on his wife. Correct. He can't, like,   he can't control himself. Mhmm. Right? He just get he's he had to write a hit song about it.   The song summer of eighty nine is about Trey's just love and,   you know,   it's about his love for his wife. And this is, like, really after his sobriety, but there was a you know, Bitcoiners think they have memes.   Fish fans have memes too. Yeah. And   one of the big memes in fish world   sorry, Trey, but you know this.  

Poor Sue.   Right? Yeah.   I mean,   you know, he went through his he went through his time.   Okay?   He went through his time, but then he wrote a song   that is named   almost identically. Artistically, I'll say identically   to the song that the artist   who wrote his song about infidelity. Yep. He wrote his love song to his wife   about   okay. So, like, this is   you know? I don't know. I feel like there's some it's getting strong, this connection here. Yes.  

[00:22:08] Unknown:

I feel it.  

[00:22:10] Unknown:

I feel it. Right?   The other connection to Canada then is, is Biebs.   Trey's   friendship,   his weird friendship with Justin Bieber, but also his guitar player. Yes. I forgot his I forget his name. Yeah. Guitar player plays the plays a Laguida guitar. Mhmm.   Guitar player is a huge fan of Fish. Huge fan. Bieber is a huge fan of Fish and Dre, and they developed a friendship with each other. Mhmm.   That's just completes the Canada. Doesn't complete it, but that's, like, so far the Canada thing. So,   whew, that was kind   of kind of a mouthful.  



[00:22:50] Unknown:

Do you remember the when   I assume you caught this since you're so aware of Bieber and his guitarist,   being a fan of Phish that there was that tour where Kuroda was the I think it was when Phish wasn't Yes. Wasn't together and Kuroda was doing the lights.  

[00:23:05] Unknown:

And every show, they would do a montage. Did the lights. Yeah. Yeah. Kuroda did the lights for Bieber. For Bieber. Yeah. He joined Bieber's tour. Yeah. So and   go ahead. For the Bitcoiners out there, Chris Kuroda,   is nicknamed c k five, known as the fifth member of the band, his lights.   His light he does a light show for Phish. He's done it for a long time. And if you ever are attending a show or you see a video,   you see how coordinated the lights are with Phish's music. Yeah.   So he did so Kuroda was hired to,   basically work on Justin Bieber's tour. Mhmm.  

Sorry. That was Oh, no. That's good.  

[00:23:43] Unknown:

No. I appreciate the background because I just kinda jump in. I assume everybody knows everything. So I appreciate the background. But, I do too. There was a sequence, you know, with a pop with a pop, artist like, you know, Justin Bieber.   And by the way, this is this tour is when I developed my own. I had my own case of Bieber fever, which lasted a few years, but that was this was the impetus of it.   That the they did, like, a montage section   every night,   and the guitarist does, like, an Easter egg for all the fish fans would Do you know his name? I don't.   I don't have it handy.  

But   every night, he would change up,   you know, that montage, and he'd had a little solo section, but he would always work in a a obvious riff   from a fish song.   You know, I remember Tweezer was one of them. Down With Disease was another, and I think there was probably a couple more. But so we kind of, would sneak in a little bit of Phish into every Bieber show of that tour, which is pretty which is pretty cool.   Dan Kanter. Dan Kanter. Yeah.  

[00:24:47] Unknown:

There it is.   Yeah. And, like, Phish fans love that shit. We love when   it's just like   you know, we pine so hard just to get a little bit of   some public recognition somewhere.   To the point where, like, when the girl on MSNBC   was making Phish references,   Phish fans were just   they decided she was a queen   and,   I forgot what Katie Tur. Mhmm. Mhmm. And then she had some kind of low t friend who also   did the same thing. Right?  

[00:25:22] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:25:23] Unknown:

Forgot his name, but he was another one of these   soy boy journalists who on MSNBC   would give a fish shout out and fish fans just Mhmm. You   know, just love just love it. And so yeah. So when you have somebody touring with Justin Bieber using Chris Kuroda   on their light show   and   using actually quoting them musically, attributing them musically. That's quite the recognition.  

[00:25:49] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[00:25:51] Unknown:

So,   you know, Phish has a lot Phish, for a band that was so close to Canada, never really played in Canada, we don't really understand that mystery.   Okay? But they have a lot to do with Canada because Bryan Adams is from Canada   and Justin Bieber is from Canada.   And,   the song about to run   is a song that carries a lot of signal. Oh, and before I get into the about the so oh, no. No. No. Not before I get into.   Let's do so the song about to run carries a lot of signal Mhmm.   With Bitcoiners. And I guarantee you, there's at least one person listening to this that can kinda figure it out already. Right.   Okay. Right?  

I wonder if I should put a pin in it and talk about and then do the Caswell Vox and then bring it back home.   I'm scanning my I'm scanning my essay to see if it does. Yeah. Because you wrote about this a little bit. Right?   I did.   And I don't know if I include if I don't know I don't know. I don't think I did. So, like, this is gonna be sort of a new   a new wrinkle   on a new wrinkle on something no one knows   anything about.   Okay.   So let the song about to run. Just put a pin in it. Okay. K?   Because we're gonna go to another band called   Castle of Voxed.  

K?   We're gonna do it now. This is the cast this is gonna be the Castle of Vox episode. We've been teasing it. We have. I think you mentioned in the literally the first words you said on this podcast where I was at the Halloween show at Castle of Vox. And Correct. I don't know that we need to recant who they were. No. I think we covered that. Fish and Fish invented a cover band.   Right? Yep. He invented a cover band for a Halloween show.   If I I don't know if I'm gonna read this entire essay here, but I'm gonna get into it a little bit. Okay. K.   It starts, my thoughts are frozen like everyone else.  

These were not the words   of the late Hal Finney,   the first known recipient of Bitcoin mined by Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin's pseudonymous founder.   Hal would eventually use these Bitcoin to have his brain cryo cryonically   frozen in 2014   shortly after his death,   hoping to buy time for scientists to find a cure for ALS.   Finney's thoughts were frozen,   but also were like everyone else, for he was among the first to run Bitcoin software.   The seed of what would become a worldwide decentralized network of people who seek freedom from the global banking system   and see Bitcoin software as a pathway to that freedom.  

To this day, many people believe that Hal Finney was Satoshi Nakamoto.   The words were written by the legendary rock band Fish.   At the time that they sung them, we were meant to believe that they were written by a band called Castle of Voxed,   a band Fish wanted its fans to believe they were covering for their 02/2018   version   of the great Halloween tradition playing a costume set.   By the time 2018 rolled around, many people believed the Halloween tradition had run its course.   Bitcoin had topped themselves some did I say Bitcoin? Oh, my god. Fish,   the spirits are acting.  

Fish had topped themselves so many times that it seemed inevitable that the well had to run dry at some point.   They had covered so many great albums like the Beatles white album in 1994 and the Velvet Underground's Loaded in 1998,   and Exile on Main Street in 02/2009.   Just two years prior, they did a spectacular cover   of David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust.   Months of anticipation   of fans trying to guess what album Phish would do   had become a common pastime for Phish fans. But after twenty two years and almost a dozen performances,   the standard got so high   that it got a little stale   even for Phish.  

So I'm just gonna stop for a second because, a personal aside, I was at the David Bowie show, and everybody knew it was gonna be David Bowie. And it really was one of the most incredible sets I've ever seen Fish play, and yet no one talks about it to this day. That's a good point. It really comes up. But when it does, people do relish in the fact of how good it was. It was just because he right. He died that year. Correct?  

[00:30:14] Unknown:

Yes. So that it was it was like it was everyone kinda knew it was coming because it was kinda being waiting in the rafters for a while.  

[00:30:23] Unknown:

It was one of just the absolute tightest   things I've ever seen them do. Okay. So I'm gonna skip through. I'm not gonna I'm I'm gonna skip through a little bit.   But I really wanna get I really, like, want people to get how   Fish's attempts to top themselves. Yeah.   And I don't know if I I mean, I'm scanning the paper. I don't know if I even mentioned the fact that they did the baker's dozen in 2017,   which was, like, yet another Yeah. That's a good So, yeah, here it is.   So Fish, nevertheless,   continue to try to wow their fans and exceed their unreasonable standards.   In 2017,   they didn't schedule a Halloween show.  

Perhaps, but perhaps feeling let down by the tepid reaction to Ziggy Stardust.   They scheduled thirteen consecutive nights in the middle of the summer at Madison Square Garden called the Baker's Dozen, where they refused to repeat a single song.   They played 237   different songs for their fans over the thirteen nights. And to this day,   this goes down as one of the great accomplishments in the history of music.   Fans regained their faith in Fish's ability to call their shot and deliver.   And in 2018,   Fish decided to put Halloween back on the calendar,   putting fans on notice that they believed that they had something special up their sleeve.  

We will never know what those thoughts were   because on 08/19/2018,   the band was notified   that the summer festival they spent a year planning at Watkins Glen in their own ways way   would be canceled   by the state of New York with no recourse due to flooding.   The notification came twenty four hours prior to the band taking the stage in front of the 40,000 fans who were expected to attend,   many of whom were already in camp.   The members of Phish, their fans, and their management were inconsolable.   It's difficult to describe how disappointing it is to plan a festival and never getting to experience a split second of it.   Much like Hal Finney, this festival was cut down before its time.  

But also like Hal, its passing would leave a lasting legacy.   Fish was crushed.   And after a few days of despair, they decided to use the concepts they invented for this festival   and turn them into the greatest Halloween set they ever conjured.   They created a band that they would cover,   a band called Kasbald Vauxst, who was from Scandinavia,   unspecified,   and had an album called Eruk in 1981.   We'll get to that name in a minute.   Fish loaded the Internet and social media with a backstory and materials so that anyone googling the band would think that this was a real band.   In the fake materials, it was revealed that the lyrics were in various unspecified Scandinavian languages and that physical copies of the album itself were extremely rare   because the producer dumped them in a fjord.  

Fish even recorded a 1981   version of the album. Yep.   The backstory describes the band as having created the album as a side project   while the band was actually doing scientific research in Greenland.   The 10 songs   are partially dark musings of scientists trapped in their work,   as well as glimmers of ideas that Hal Finney would have been interested in.   Track four is literally titled,   we are come to   outlive   our   brains.   Yeah. I just wanna pause for a second. Yeah. You wanna just pause for a second? Yeah. There's so much there. There's only one paragraph left, but, like  

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Well, you're right. To reflect You're right about the, the fan sentiment leading up to that Halloween.   You're dead on that   everyone was just like   it there used to be it used to be a fun game to try to guess what album they were gonna do. Like, that was at an all time low. Like, people are just kinda like Yeah. The enthusiasm.   And Phish has   a has a a rep a track I'm gonna say reputation, a track record of when the fans sleep on them.  

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Like, I always go back to the dark side of the moon when Yes. The nature of that is I was at 90 yeah. That was a 98 That was 98. Out. So I was in Vegas Okay. For Loaded. Yeah.   And I just, like, I remember reading,  

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like, when I flew back home and re like, they did what? Yeah. So the story goes, right, the way the tour was configured, because, you know, there were fans that would literally follow the band around the country. And Salt Lake City   was just it was just not convenient to do Salt Lake City. Like, people just went to the next the next town because they were only doing one night in Salt Lake, if I'm if I remember correctly. Yeah. That by the way, they're complaining today in 2025.  

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You see the Google Maps of their tour.   People are not happy about Oh, really? Okay.   The road trajectory. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like FISH is notorious   for   making it hard. Yeah.  

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Yeah. So They're almost like they do it on purpose. Yeah. So this was, like, I think the l it's the 11/02/1398   is the Salt Lake show. Two. Yeah. So this is You know, they took a day they they took a day off after doing Loaded, which is, you know, as as Fundamental said, Velvet Underground,   which, who's the front man for Velvet Underground?   That Lou Reed. Yeah. Lou Reed. So people might know him because he had a solo career. But,   they decided the rumors the rumors going up to that loaded,   costume set was, like, is Dark Side of the Moon gonna be gonna be the costume set? So there were some people probably a little bit disappointed after that show and,  

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you know Dark Side was always Dark Side every year was one of those always.  

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Was always in the runnings.   And, apparently, the show didn't even sell out if I remember correctly.  

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Which one? The Salt Lake show. The Salt Lake Well, that was what yeah. They showed up to 6,000 people in a 12,000 seat   theater.   And this is I don't know if this is where never miss a Sunday show was originated. I think it it is the nexus of it. Yep.   But just, you know, just a side note.   Jason and I started doing this podcast now on Sunday nights.   It is a Sunday evening right now. Never miss a Sunday show.   So never that's another, I mean, another meme.  

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Another great meme. Yep. We gotta do one episode strictly on fish memes. Oh, that would be fun. Yeah. Because, like, when I had a choice of, like, which, sphere show I was gonna go to,   you know, 04:20 was tempting because it was a Saturday show. But I was like, no. It's gotta be the Sunday show. I gotta do the Sunday show. If you have to only do one. If you only do one.  

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But yeah. So they 50 years old. You gotta make those choices.  

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So go yeah. Go on. So, and, you know, you know the story too, but I'll just finish. But,   second set starts and you hear the, beating heart that is the intro   to dark side of the moon, and people are probably looking at each other saying, no. No. It can't be.   That's impossible.   And,   then they blast off into the album and, the rest is history, but,   don't sleep on fish. It's  

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so fish that they will just make you pay. Fish is the all time  

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all time create like, they know how to create FOMO like nobody else. And I hate to say this as a real tie tied into Bitcoin just a little is I don't wanna call it Max Payne, but it's definitely   it rhymes with Max Payne. Fish is like,   if the fans have a certain sentiment, they will bring you they will bring you Max Payne.  

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Indeed.   So   knowing how Finney's story   and the story of Bitcoin, which could have been a science project in Greenland that began in the eighties for all we know,   It's difficult not to be compelled by Fish's creation of Iruk,   which in English means face plant into rock.   One might interpret this translation   one might interpret this translation to indicate that rock represents gold   and that civilization has face planted by choosing a gold standard that has been corrupted by fractional reserving, government fraud, and outright theft.   Finney saw Bitcoin as a clearly superior alternative to gold   and wanted to live long enough to see what impact   it could have had on his civilization.  

Ultimately, Hal might have been using Fish in 2018 to let us all know that the cryonic procedure worked, and not just for him, but for all the people who elected this path.   My thoughts are   frozen like everyone else.  

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That's good.   I love Hal. Hal's such a,   when I when I you know, second to Satoshi's story and the myth that is, you know, his identity,   you know, a lot of people that,   you know, opine about who Satoshi might be, you know, Hal is always in the conversation. And the fact that he has passed away makes it   all the more convenient to do so because there's no real negative ramifications of suggesting it other than, you know, I know his wife has had some   had some, you know, she trials and tribulations related to people maybe trying to shake her down for how's Bitcoin, and I think that's pretty much subsided in in recent times. But,   Sure. You know, Fran, his wife's, that's that's her her,   her name Fran Finney. Is still still involved in the space, still does an annual event called running Bitcoin in, in California every year, and it's, it's cool it's cool that his story, like, lives on. And we you know, I know someone who's who's who's a parent,   had ALS and and, you know, passed away a couple you know, we all have people that that disease may be touched. So it is a it's a it's a good reminder.  



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Yeah. So what is so for the,   for the fish fans out there, Hal Finney is really most known   for a tweet,   which was,   running he tweeted running Bitcoin. It's probably the most retweeted tweet.   It's gotta be one of them. Yeah. It's gotta be up there. Yeah. Right?   All on Twitter. Like, people are still retweeting it. He tweeted this in 02/2009.   And, you know, the significance of running Bitcoin   is that he was was he, I guess, you know, outside of Satoshi, the first to run a node or at least to say he was. Yeah.   And   that brings us back to the song About to Run.  

The album goes to the forest, and I have one other running connection, by the way, to make sure I don't forget. Okay.   The album goes to the forest   features is a very deep album.   I haven't really mined it for Bitcoin content,   but I remember how much it impacted me when I first started in 02/2009   02/2019.  

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Mhmm.  

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I'm I listened to every   live performance of it, which there were something like 15 Mhmm.   Over the course of two and a half weeks.   I attended   the one in Philly.   Everything about that album really spoke to me. There's some I'm a real sucker   for,   songs that I know are about, like, dead friends. Yeah.   I'm a big, big sucker. And I in fact in fact, I spent a good part of the week watching videos of, Christopher Cross   sailing the song sailing. Yeah. I learned that that was about a dead friend that a friend of his I didn't know that. Died or   yeah. And, I'm a sucker for those songs.  

Like, they they really I don't have any friends that died. I just don't for some reason, they really hit me really, really hard.   And I don't know, like, where   in the album goes to the forest, like, about to run   is   because it's not really about a dead friend. It's about   the dark place. It seems to be about the dark place Trey ended up going. Yeah.   And just the dark thoughts he was having, maybe some guilt.   But, like, for me, it's hard not to think of how Fiddy being about to hit about to   about to run Bitcoin Yeah. And have like, perhaps having   having a   overwhelming   just an overwhelming moment,   but yet   doing it doing it anyway. Yeah.  

So that's the that kinda closes that whole loop. I will say,   so I'm gonna give you a quiz now. K.  

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See if I was paying attention.  

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So   there's a band member who we said maybe isn't such associated really with a lot of this Bitcoin signal, but   there is a song in which he famously   says, I'm running.  

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Well, it's gotta be Mike. Now you're not a lyric guy. It's gotta be Mike.   Yeah. It's Mike. And and You're not a lyric guy. Enamand's Yard? Is it a fish is it is it played by fish? Or Fish sucks.   It's a big black fur big black furry creature. Oh, that's right at yeah. Okay. Okay.   I wasn't I wasn't gonna guess that. So  

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Like, big black furry creatures from Mars may as well be about where the ever the hell Hal Finney is these days.   Some nether like, you know, it was like a the song was like a comedy. It's probably their only, like, what I would what people would consider, like, some metal punk song. Right?  

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Oh, yeah. I mean, it's it's it's so bizarre. The song, you hear it. I mean, you think, like, Karini is like a like a pretty heavy rock song. Like, this is   from another planet.   Maybe that's why they it's from Mars.  

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So that's my and, you know, I don't know. Maybe we if I dig anymore any deeper, we'll find some more running references. But I think, like, the running references are relevant.  

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Yeah.  

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So there you go.  

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What else did we wanna cover today? Yeah. I mean That's quite a journey. I mean no. I I mean, I I, I'm gonna pivot a little bit because Yeah.   You   know you know, from a day to day perspective,   and I think you've voiced whether on this podcast or or maybe on Rock Paper Bitcoin, which if, again, if any listener hasn't checked out, I strongly recommend.   You know, you have, relationships with with some of the other folks in the Bitcoin   podcast space,   notably Yeah. You know, the bugle forty hours per week, baby. Yeah. Forty hours per week, which I   I was probably putting in before that became a a meme.  



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Yeah.   So that's that forty hours per week is the creation of Rob Palmer.   Rod and Rod and Dick are very close friends.   Truly   actually treasure their friendship. Yeah. And  

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I I, heard your,   I heard your little you submitted a piece that they played during their one year anniversary of the beginning of the podcast, and,   it was very clear that you guys have a a a pretty a pretty tight bond. And,  

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And let me say, like, my like, I, like, really feel like I carry the tray   spirit   of like, it really is all about   like, a lot of what we're building here in Bitcoin   is   bringing our friends on the ride and building a life. Just building a life with our friends and family Yeah. To fucking crush it. %.   And so that I tried to make speak like, just because of how much how successful I saw Trey   do that,   that always spoke to me, and I tried to make that come through   as much as I can. Yeah. And so and it's and it's especially true for those guys. Yeah. And and and just for, again, for the audience's sake, I  

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I listened to There's a bit of a controversy. I heard about their bugle. Embroiled in a bit of controversy. Oh, yeah. Hundred percent. And and but   I think   the Bugle the Bugle weekly   guys,   when they hit the scene, it was before you and I met, the fundamentals. So Yes. And   I wanna say it was Rob Hamilton that I spoke to about them first.  

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And just Rob Hamilton, big friend of big friend of that show. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And  

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just the he was, I think, the one that actually   mentioned it on Clubhouse,   which we'll get to on a minute. Guy. Also, a fantastic guy, you know, anchor watch for the win, you know, building talk about builder. Wow.  

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But Maybe that's enough to get her to listen to this.  

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Hope hopefully a little.   Yeah. Him and Becca. I think I mentioned Becca once before, but, yeah, gotta give a shout out to Rob. Shout out the insurance the insurance guys.   But the the way he framed the mention when he just mentioned, hey. You gotta check out this. You know, there's a new podcast coming out, and it's like   his take on it was, and I think this is still true,   was that the Bitcoin space had gotten very,   circle jerky.   Mhmm. There were questionable sponsors that weren't necessarily being being vetted.   People were getting screwed. You know, Compass Mining comes to mind. You know, I know I don't wanna give an opinion, you know, for or against Compass Mining, but there was there were some issues that people endured during  

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during that whole period. On Compass Mining on this podcast. No problem. Okay. And by the way, it's funny because, like, the like, what you're speaking about   is, like,   I think it's related. This is fish content because, you know, the bugle I I everything I try to tell them   is based on what I know worked   for fish. Interesting. Because they have the same mission. Yeah.   They right. They have the same mission, which is really to survive and tell their story,   but not get compromised. Yes. And what they, you know, what they're up against in terms of like, you know, any one of their employees can get bought by   one of these shithead popcorn companies. They can get compromised.  

And it's important for them to be to be successful enough to make their own money so that they don't have to worry about an employee Yep. Getting bought,   anything like that. Like so it's like an important mission, and it's similar to Fish, and Fish did it. Yep.  

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They're the only ones. It's like That It's it's like to be successful outside of the commercial   mechanism, the infrastructure that's there for a particular industry for people to to monetize things. And I know you do that with rock paper Bitcoin too. You guys don't accept sponsors.   No. I know I know people like, American HODL will never will never accept money from anybody because he doesn't ever want his speech to ever be   biased.   And once money enters the equation, you just can't help but  

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Yeah. I will accept money.   I will work. However Not from not companies. Yeah. I won't taint the signal of rock paper bit the rock paper bitcoin con podcast. Yeah. I actually would be happy to take sponsor for this one. Yeah.   Anybody listening? Any any of the 20 of you out there? Sponsors. Like, particularly if they're outside of Bitcoin, they're like in the like, the Osiris has all those, like, weed stores. They wanna sponsor this podcast. I'd be I'd be cool with that. Yeah. Yeah.   But, like   yeah. So, I mean and and and because the bugle has something really pure. I mean, when that show started, I didn't know them. I didn't even know if they were more than one person or anything. Right. I knew I didn't know anything. All I knew was that, like, holy shit. These guy these guys have,   come and they've come to do something very special, and it was   not that different from hearing fish the first time. Yeah. %. K. Yep.  

And,   I remember going on high hash rate   and   not being able to stop talking about them.   And I was listening to that episode literally the other day, and it was like   they were laughing so hard because,   every time they thought it was over,   I was like, no. Look. I got one more thing I gotta say about, Richard Grieser. He says so he's such an important guy. Right. And,   this was before I knew him, and I knew any of these guys. And so that's why you know, like, I I appreciated what they did, and then I came to develop friendships.  

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Yeah. And speaking of high hash rate, they recently we got a little mention. I don't know if you're able to check out their most recent episode  

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since I, Oh, you know? Yeah. It's like they're they're a part of this story because   I told the I probably told the story of fish for the first time on a podcast and on their show. Yeah. Episode 56. We'll put it in the show notes. Yeah. Absolutely.  

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I'll tell you the the apparatus   story. So they had a, a guest on Grafton. I think it's the second time I've I've heard him on a podcast. He's he's a a kid from Mississippi   who was a big widespread Panic fan back when when he lived in The States. Shout out.   And Yeah. And he, lives in Prague now. And he just moved to Prague One day, and he just kinda never came home. And,   you know, now he's working for, I think, Trezor, you know, and that's where you know, there's a lot of,   OG Bitcoin companies.   Right Slushpool is there, which is now brains.  

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Came out came out of Prague. I thought they were in Croatia.  

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No. They're no. They're from Prague.  

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Oh, sorry. Yeah. Okay.  

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And he mentions it, but he,   the high Hashrate guys gave a shout out to you in this podcast and talking, you know, because he was in the basically saying he's   knees deep in, to the disco, but the disco biscuits lately. He thinks a lot of their stuff   as of late, which is interesting because Phish is killing it too. Another band that is hitting kinda hitting their stride late in their career   and doing some cool stuff. So   piqued my interest. I've been checking a little bit. I couldn't  

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I couldn't, like, click with disco biscuits. Yeah. I like them, and there's some things about them I like a lot. And they're from Philly. We shoulda, like it shoulda clicked, but it didn't for me. I saw them a number of times. I saw them in   I saw them in 1998.  

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Okay.  

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They opened at the wetlands.   They were opening for ominous sea pots.  

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Oh, wow. And,  

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that was and it was pretty cool. I remember, like, I really do remember them.   You know? They were memorable.   Yeah. But I but not in a way that compelled me to, like, have to listen to them a lot. Yeah. And then I saw them again with,   something related to Humphreys.   I feel like,   something related   up at the Capitol Theater A Decade ago or something. It was some something.  

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Yeah. I know they've had a lot of spin offs like what they had, brothers passed and more recently, Electron,  

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which I don't know if you Very good friends with Humphreys. And I again, I should have, like, you know, like, I love Humphreys. Humphreys clicked.   Humphreys, I went all in completely. I'm surprised Humphreys hasn't come up on this podcast yet Yeah. Because I love them so much.   But, yeah, the disco biscuits never clicked, but I really wanna listen to that episode. And so, yeah, it's just like any kind of signal that's gonna come up in bit in Bitcoin   with us in this podcast, it's yeah. There's a pretty good chance the high Ash rate guys are gonna be the ones to catch it. But we're not talk, like yeah.   So anything talked about on high hash rate is gonna have high signal. And when I was on high hash rate, I could I couldn't stop talking about it. So good. Could not stop talking about the bugle.  



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And, Yeah. So back to the bugle, I just wanted to mention that because, you you brought up high hash rate, and I figured, you know Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wrapped in, deserved dimension.   And,   so back to Rob Hamilton.   And the way it was the way it was framed was like   he was like, yeah. He's like, they they're kind of their plan is to kinda just make fun of all this   all this   Bitcoin industry,   like, these caricatures,   you know, and almost like Yeah. There was nobody really making fun of   making not making fun, but at least having some commentary.   If you see some if you call needed to get made fun. Yeah. Because there were things There was things There was a culture of, like, because we're on the same team, we should not put each other down   that kinda got out of control.  

And they kinda came in and said, no. Fuck that. No. This these people are ridiculous. They need to be they need to be shamed or at least may, you know, make some jokes about it. Bring some humor. The way I the way I saw it  

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was that they   came to,   they came to basically retire memes that needed to be retired.   I like that. That's a very it's a very mimetic way of putting it. Very, very succinct. And they did it through by making fun of them. They did it, you know, they did it through humor. Then they did it, like, you know, I was a stand up comedian.   I've put a lot of time and thought into the art of comedy,   and I was just  

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shocked by how these guys could tell the same joke over and over again and never gets old. And who does that remind you a little bit of? David Letterman, early days? The old callback? That's cool. The callback joke. Yeah.  

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I liken so Richard, I liken him to, like I I'd liken him to Sasha Baron Cohen, you know, like the Borat character.   And, like, because he's,   you know, I consider him a comedy genius.   You know, I consider his character,   and I I think he's so raw. I don't even know, you know, I don't know how much he really realizes it. But, like, you know, even, like, the little sub the sub   characteristics that he's created, like, you know, how it's awesome to smoke cigarettes. Oh, it's so great. As long as there are no KYC no KYC cigarettes. Yeah. And, like, you know, it just it   it's it's more than just the inside baseball   Bitcoin stuff. Yeah.  

And it's very fish.   That's the thing. Right? It's just very fish to have your inside jokes.   But, also, we are pushing a really pushing a big mission. Like, I think they are,   you know, so for me, seeing comedy come into the Bitcoin space was just   it made me feel great. It made me feel like Walter Ruski Yeah. In a certain way. Yeah.   Like, I got restored. Like, there's certain there's certain, like, child   childish   life force Yeah. Inside of me be got restored.   So, anyway, that's it. So I guess interesting that you bring them up. I'm always willing to I mean, I love talking about those guys. Yeah. So it's interesting you'd bring them up here. Well,  

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you know, and and just so so the audience is aware, I I   I had I had a similar experience. Like, I was so I used the word I was I thought it was refreshing   to to for them to come to the scene   and bringing everything that they were bringing. And, you know, obviously, the, like, the thermodynamically   sound jokes and and,   you know, the KYC sedan, like needed to get It's just so good. The tires kicked. So so good. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.   Like, you know, question your assumptions from time to time. You know? It's a good engineering practice.   But I bring that all up because, you know,   last year,   the Bugle boys   put together a campaign called Maxi Madness, which is what was to coincide with March Madness with the basketball tournament that I don't even I haven't even been paying attention to the basketball this year. I don't even know Last year? Last year and this year and this year. But last year,  

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they did was a comply it was like a compliance  

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Yes. I I thought what they did last year was, like, the compliance championship or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I forget what the theme is there a subtext to this year's tournament? Do you know? This year's was just Maxi. It's just Maxi. Okay. So maybe they had a, yeah, compliance theme last year. But,   in true Bitcoin fashion   and I may have mentioned that I I am a regular,   on Bitcoin Clubhouse, which is, like, 50 people. It's about the number of people that listen to this podcast. We hang out. I see where this is going.   And,   you know, there's some it's quite a cast of characters   on   Bitcoin. I think it is really it it exemplifies,   I think, the Bitcoin culture,   as I see it  

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from a You know that I I was I'm still an admin of the fish community on Clubhouse. Oh, I think that's great.   Yeah. I don't know if anybody know even knows that, but, like, I was on Clubhouse   I was in when I was in, like, my super woke phase, especially,   I was going into, like, black rooms.  

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Oh, yeah. Because that's I mean It was all over Clubhouse. Right? Well, all all that's left the Clubhouse is is, Is the black stuff? Is is American black culture rooms and Bitcoin.  

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That's all that's left. Because well, I was I had created a fish community. I was determined to do it. I was determined to create a fish community on Clubhouse. I wanted I was I had weekly open mics, and people would actually come and play songs, play fish songs, and I would do it as well.  

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I may have I may have joined I may have joined it unknowingly   not knowing it was you, obviously.  

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I mean, I didn't know what Bitcoin was yet. Right? I just was trying to I was, you know, I was probably the peak of my guitar playing after lockdowns and all that stuff. Oh, it was before Bitcoin. Wow.   Yeah. It was Oh, that's cool. There was a guy there named Bitcoin Ed. Okay. But then now I've been trying to, like, get in touch with him, but, like, he's   maybe he's you. I don't know. It's not me.   But So, yeah, I have a history with Clubhouse, but I just like and this is, like, basically what Twitter spaces  

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made did a better Correct. And there was the rumor was that, like, the Clubhouse, the founders, like, had an offer from Twitter that they declined, which we all think is like, there's a 50% chance that was true.   But it was for his large sum of money that is now, like, you know, approaching zero, basically, now that Twitter has spaces. Although we we all we all say, like because, obviously, the people on Bitcoin Clubhouse also do Twitter,   that Clubhouse is just so much better   at least because there's no there's no limited number of people that can be on stage. People can interrupt each other. Like, it's very sterile. It's like a it's like a classroom situation on   spaces, and it it can get a little bit, hierarchical. Like, you have the the, you know, the the special people on stage and then every all the peons out out there. I got to know Andy Good deal very well, actually, as a result of my that was and he's somebody who I've known for, like, I've known of since college. You know? Like,  

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back in the back in the nineties, Andy Goodiel's paid Yeah. Website Sure. Was big. And I got to know him well in the clubhouse thing, you know, turned out to be pretty cool guy. It was an amazing time period. Like, we had, you know, famous people would come right in our early days. You'd have, Elon Musk would come in and talk to people and take questions.   What's that? But, like yeah. Yeah. I hate to call him I hate to call him famous. You know? Well, if But he's like as famous as, Richard Krieser. You know?  

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It's fair. It's fair. Yeah.   I don't I'm not a fan of celebrity. Like, I don't have any I'm not a fan of any any what I would call famous person, so maybe I should, I should choose different languages. So what happened on Clubhouse? So because I know I've heard some smoke. Yeah.   So and I I don't go on Twitter much,   these days, but I I have,   seen the drama kinda play out as it relates to   and I wanna say that's how I stumbled into it. I was on actually Twitter,   and there was controversy that, like, some contests, which were, you know, done via the poll method on Twitter. Right? You had a bracket, and you had So that's how Maxi Madness was settled via poll method.  

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You know, long story short, right, there's some controversy because there was bot buying. Yeah. As insane as that sounds,   that there are there were contestants in Maxi Madness that are so,   like, fucking idiotic. And   I don't know what the word to describe these people are, but they actually bought bots to win   to win the thing. Correct. And it embroiled   it embroiled my friends in some controversy.   Because the fact is because they're such good trolls, and it's like when Andy Kaufman died and everyone   believed he faked his own death, nobody believed that he was actually dead.   Right? Right.  

Because it's something he would it's like that, you know,   Rod and Dick are such good trolls   Yes. That people just assume that that this whole thing was a big troll of their design, and it was it wasn't. Yeah. Which is not the case at all. But there are some,  

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you know, characters on Clubhouse that also do shit coining, and, you know, there were conversations. And  

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You wanna know what it was, though? That You wanna know what it was? I wanna hear this. This was   so do you know how the baker's dozen   was   the story of the baker's dozen is that the idea was created in,   like, the mid nineties   as a joke. K. Because,   Trey wanted,   that he's thought it would be funny if there was just some excuse to play a mashup   of more than a feeling. And,   you know, they wanted to basically have an excuse to play  

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scream, some of the songs. The cream in Boston. Yep. That was the that was And  

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this idea was a joke that got generated in the twenty years, and then in 2017,   somehow, someway, they put the whole thing together.   13 shows.   Don't repeat a song. We covered it. It's one of the most all time. There's a banner hanging in Madison Square Garden.   You know,   you know, Phish has a banner in Madison Square Garden.   You know, there's great Nick players that don't have banners.  

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Mhmm.  

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You know,   Latrell Sprewell comes to mind. No banner for his number, but the but the number 13 hangs in Madison Square Garden for the show.   What   Maxi Madness,   in my in my   view, was no nothing more than an excuse to get   a couple of people to see if they just start fighting with each other. Yes. Yeah.  

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And, you know, that And it worked. And it worked. And it fucking happened. And it worked. Happened, and it was glorious. And that's what, unfortunately, what fed this behavior even more because the type of if you think about what who's the type of motherfucker that's gonna buy fucking votes, it's somebody that wants to see if the,   the straight laced people get upset. And, of course, they did.   And they were actually concerned. They actually wanted to win this thing because their egos are, you know, now coming into the into the picture.   And,   we ended up where we are.  



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Look. Everything is good for Bitcoin. Everything is good for the bugle. That's right. I agree.   And there, I can I will vouch personally for their character?   And,  

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Oh, that should not be a question at all. No. There's guys who are take it up with me. Yeah. They take it up with fundamentals.  

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Take it up with fundamentals,   and I don't fuck around with shit like that.   And,   everything's good for the vehicle. Everything's good for Bitcoin. Everything's good for fish.   My mission is to bring it all together.