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We also explore the evolving podcast ecosystem, including value-for-value, Bitcoin-enabled analytics, and why Podhome focuses on affordable, modern tooling for everyday podcasters. From there we dive into health, resilience, and simplicity. Barry opens up about healing long-standing gut issues by uncovering lactose and gluten intolerances, experimenting with carnivore and reintroducing select carbs, and leaning on functional mushrooms like lion’s mane, chaga, and shiitake. We trade stories on raw dairy, movement, and what real “longevity” looks like—being present, playful, and fit enough to keep up with kids. We close on practical, grounded wisdom: eat real food, sleep, move, stay curious, and treat life like the game it is—show up and play.

[00:00:00] Unknown:

This episode of America Plus, I am sitting with the CEO of Pod Home, Buried.   We talk about his health journey, what it's like running a company.   We talk about raw dairy a little bit. We talk about gut health. It's a really good conversation.   As always, America Plus is a value for value show. Like, subscribe, and support me in a modern podcast app. So I think the last time we did a podcast, dude, that was, like, a couple years ago. And your your company was, like, a few weeks old. Wasn't it?   Like Yeah. What a crazy time to do a podcast, right, when you launch.   What's it been like? Like, catch me up on, like, the last, like, couple years. Like, what has been going on with Pod Home?  

Like, what's going on now?  

[00:00:46] Unknown:

So   when we launched so Pod Home is a podcast hosting, platform. When we launched, we were pretty feature complete. So we kinda had a rich you know, you could host your your podcast already in multiple shows,   upload your episode. There was already a Pultholm AI that did lots of stuff, so that creates chapters and transcripts. So we had most of the things already, which is good.   And then   got some customers.   It was slow in the beginning, definitely.   Then it picked up a little bit.   It's still relatively slow, but it depends, you know, what is slow.   So now we have a couple of 100,   users   that have many, many podcasts on there because most people have   two or more podcasts that they host.  

And there are people with crazy big podcasts as in big as in episode wise,   like, thousand plus episodes or something. Just very impressive.   So   we have lots of,   podcasts now that we host, which I'm very proud of.   I'm now working with,   two freelancers   that do customer support,   some bug fixes, sometimes sometimes feature building as well. I also do customer support here and there as well.   But that also helps with time zone wise because most customers are now in The US,   and some also here and in Belgium,   Germany, you name it.   Saw a Japanese fella signing up a couple days ago. I still get all those emails for the important things. Right? Somebody signs up. Also, when somebody leaves, you know, I wanna know that as well because that does happen.  

People sometimes leave for even a Spotify   for podcasters because, you know, it's free.   And, money is tight. I definitely see that with people.   But, yeah. So   we're growing still,   slowly,   steadily.   And, you know, over time, we build in more features like   dynamic audio and text.   For instance,   live podcasting, we didn't have that in the beginning.   We have that now.   What else did we have? Didn't we have back then? I don't know.   Lots of that type of stuff. Now we also have an API. We have Zapier integration.   And most of the things we build, like, almost   90%   are things that people ask for directly. Like, hey. Wouldn't it be cool if you guys did this? Or I would like it if, I don't know, this did that. We're like, oh, okay. That makes sense. Sure. Makes sense for other customers as well, and we're gonna build it. And I think that's kind of the best way to, you know, evolve a product   from from a user's perspective,   and that just works well.  

And,   the hardest thing, at least what I find, is,   you know, marketing and advertising.   That is super, super difficult.   You've been helping with that with videos? Yes, sir. Creating videos   for, for on the website and for on the socials and stuff.   And that works.   And also appearing on other people's podcasts also works because, obviously, that is also our target audience.   But,   yeah,   it's been only two years. That's kinda   weird. It feels way longer because now we also have a podcast app. So we have the whole ecosystem, so hosting and an app. And we host some pretty, pretty decent podcast, at least I find.   Plus,   of course. That's pretty cool.  

But also, for instance, Citadel Dispatch, Emerdel That's a huge podcast. Also very cool.   That's huge. Yeah. We have we have huge ones. We have similar Bitcoin podcast also in Germany, for instance. There's some guys there.   What are they called?   Node Signal.   Yeah.   I'm not gonna mention much more because then I'm gonna   forget people. But also, for instance, Abel James, which is like   a a health and wellness guru. I, you know, I bought a book of his,   I don't know, decades ago. It was one of the first books about health that I bought.   I was like, oh, this dude's so cool, and he was talking to all the OGs like, Mark Sisson Nice. And all those type of people.  

And then we got into contact about podcasting two point o because he got in into that, through his music because he's also a musician.   And he did the, the v for v musician thing, and then he was like, you know what? Can I not just host with you guys? Because he was on, Libsyn,   very old school,   not not a modern platform at all. And so   we helped him, transition. And sometimes that's a lot of work   because, for instance,   with Abel, he had,   lots of integrations on his website.   Like, for every episode, he had a page, and then he had a custom,   episode player from Libsyn and some other stuff. So, you know, we helped him out with some custom work there where we just, you know, went into his website and actually changed all the stuff to our stuff,   just to make it a bit easier on him. Mhmm. And that's nice. And I like that because, you know, I feel my mission, my personal mission is to   create stuff that enables people to do better in the world. Now that sounds very,   very generic, but so I used to also create and sometimes I still do,   online courses   about all sorts of things, technology, for instance,   programming, stuff like that, but also health related.  

And and that helps. That's just stuff that's out there. People can go there. They can learn stuff from it, and then they can do stuff in the world with that, like, I don't know, become a software engineer, improve their health or something. The same goes for podcasting. Now this is not stuff that I create per se, but I enable creators like you enable, for instance, to spread the word, and then people listen to it. And that,   and that scales as well. Because if I see sometimes I look at the analytics database,   man, that's a lot of people that download stuff. That's crazy. That's just insane. That's millions of people that listen to something   through our platform.  

That's just   it's incredible.   So, you know, I'm never gonna close it down Wow. Ever.   We need a plan for that, of course.   And that's something,   that I am it is on the list,   a succession plan.   But,   yeah, I I like this.   It's the AI version of you? Maybe just some agent that's that's doing all the stuff, keeping the servers running. Yeah. The being honest, you know, in a couple couple of years,   that stuff is is just crazy how fast it evolves.   But,   yeah, it's been, it's been a good ride so far.   And it's only been two years. So   So far. Yeah. We can only go up from here.  

That's incredible, dude.  

[00:07:50] Unknown:

That that's incredible.   I wanna stick on podcasting for a second, and then we'll go into health because I I think I feel like you have an interesting perspective on that.   You know, there's another company that I've been following in the podcasting world called Fountain.   And I was just curious what you think about,   Fountain going into, like, hosting podcast and their you know, Fountain's, like, super heavy,   specific on Bitcoin. And so their whole thing is   getting people connected with Bitcoin, on ramping people with the wallets inside of the app, and now they have a new hosting platform where   you can track your   your download analytics, but, also, you can easily see,   like, your Bitcoin analytics, who's sending   you, how many small bits of Bitcoin.  

And it's just a whole like, it's, like, one of the first, like, real, like, analytics platforms to   see, like, how people are engaging with your content   with this different money. I was just curious what you think about that. And, like, I know that because of your country, you might not be able to go into Bitcoin stuff   as heavy as other places.   But still, like, what do you think about that? And, like, what's how do you think about Bitcoin in this new one? I think, what what the fountain guys are doing is very, very cool.  

[00:09:09] Unknown:

So, you know, they started out as just an app, a very successful app, by the way, with a focus on,   v for v, so Bitcoin, and people sending,   sets to creators   and making it super easy for people to do, which is a very difficult thing to do. But they they did that and then also integration as well.   And I like that a lot because they focus on a specific audience,   a specific use case. So they don't try to be the the everything app, which you also sometimes see also with podcast app. Like,   what's your audience? Well, every everyone and everything.   Books, music, whatever. We do all the things.  

I don't think that works for products because people want to have something specific as well. And also when you market it, you need a specific audience to do that. And so they they've done that super successfully,   captured a good audience with the   the the player,   and now, of course, in into the hosting, which I think is a very good move,   because, you know, having a podcast player   is difficult   to make a lot of money on or enough money on. I don't I'm not saying you need a lot of money, but enough money to run your company on. That's difficult to player because, you know,   they I think their previous revenue model was, when people send sets,   they take a little piece of it, like, one or 2% or something, and then maybe have a premium version. And that is kind of an opt in where people, you know, pay monthly couple of euros, dollars,   pounds, whatever. And that's not gonna be a lot of people.  

So this is, this is a good thing.   And I think the target audience for people that do v for v's or value for value with Bitcoin   is relatively small. We're talking about tens of thousands of people,   of of podcasters   as well, which   kind of a lot of people, you know, if they were all the customers, that's great. They have a super, super useful platform there.   It is very difficult   to get listeners to actually use value for value.   You know, not a lot of people do. In our   little bubble where we are, we see that a lot, of course. And, you know, if if we look on, it looks like everybody's doing that all day long.   But I think if you zoom out a little bit, it's still a tiny,   amount of people.  

But still, it is growing, and I like that because that's actually people that are using,   Bitcoin as a payment   method.   And I like that a lot because, you know,   Fiat   is not a good   it's just not a good money.   It just doesn't work well. Yeah.   And so if we can use Bitcoin, definitely.   So I like the fountain thing.   They are not really a direct competitor of mine. For some shows, they are. So for some people,   they are. But they are way more expensive, first of all,   and they have a very different   use case. So if you are very, very heavy into the v for v and, like you said, you want, that deep integration where you can see what happens on the fountain app versus,   your hosting and then, you know, who paid what with what messages because that is their competitive edge where they have that that coupling between the fountain app and the fountain hosting. And you should go there. Absolutely. That that works well. So super specific use case,   and also way more expensive because we do fifteen ninety nine   unlimited shows, and they do €25   dollars, I think, for one show.  

And, you know, if you're doing the v for v, it might be worth it. Absolutely.   But Right.  

[00:12:59] Unknown:

Yeah. And then, like, I mean, what would you say, like, Pod Home focuses on, like, if Fountain is, like, focused on the Bitcoin audience? What's the audience for Pod? Modern podcasting.  

[00:13:08] Unknown:

So,   PodHome focuses on,   you know, the everyday podcaster basically that wants   an easy way to,   you know, create great   metadata.   So Pod Home AI does that. You just stick your episode in there, and then boom, you get a transcript, chapters, final suggestions, all that type of stuff. So it takes away time,   and that automatically   then populates your feed with all the modern tags and stuff. And as a normie, you might not care about that, but that does mean that in most of the podcast apps, your podcast is gonna look great. You know, people have chapters. They can click on it. They have transcripts, all that type of stuff.   So that that's an easy way. And nowadays,   another,   kinda audience target   is people that want an an affordable professional hosting platform because we're now kinda one of the cheapest ones out there. Everybody had to raise their prices. We hadn't,   which is good.  

Obviously, we're we're always fighting Spotify for podcasters, which is free, but then you also get nothing for that. You just get a free hosting platform. You don't get a website or anything, let alone support. You can try their support, but,   you know, it is   best efforts, of course, because it is free.   So  

[00:14:33] Unknown:

Yeah. I'm not on Spotify. I've never been on Spotify. Even when I try to go on Spotify, I am like I never get the freaking confirmation link. Like, for some reason, Spotify just sucks. I can't even they can't even send me the confirmation code for me to type in. It's like, okay. I have tried it, like, five. So   Spotify sucks.   I I don't like them at all. That's very interesting because I feel like I have,   I I found myself,   like,   getting less interested in Bitcoin as, like, a topic.   Like, I use Bitcoin. I like Bitcoin. It's like Bitcoin is just like air. Like, you know, like, Bitcoin, like, it's just it's available. I like it.   But I'm not, like, obsessed with it as I might have been a few years ago.  

And so, like, I just really just wanna focus on just, like, you know, just stacking my stats and, you know, just just focus on my own little wallet. You know? I don't really care about,   like, the wider ecosystem. Like, I don't care about convincing people to go to Nostradar or convincing people to   to to send me Satoshis for my podcast. It's like, that's not the most important thing in the world. You know? Because, you know, there's, like, all these competing narratives. You know? There's this big narrative that that,   that that the American president Trump, you know, they're they're moving forward with   Bitcoin as digital gold.  

And then you have, you know, sort of the purists. You know? You got Fountain and you and me and Jack Dorsey and Adam Curry   are saying   Bitcoin is a digital   electronic cash system.   You know? And use Bitcoin as a currency, and that makes the most sense to me.   So it's like these two competing things and, like and and the areas that are using Bitcoin as a money,   it's just it is just very small. Like, it's still very niche.   And so I've been sort of just focusing on, you know, just building on my own wallet and things like that.   What do you think about that? Like, has your relationship with Bitcoin, like, evolved throughout the years? Like, have you thought about  

[00:16:32] Unknown:

it differently? Yeah. So Yeah. You know, not that long ago, Bitcoin was kind of a loose end where, you know, it was being attacked left and right.   Was it a security? Wasn't it a security?   You know, people were being   threatened, debanked.   It was just   painted as a shady thing that you should stay away from.   Now I knew better from   for a long time already,   but that that did mean that I wasn't sure about Bitcoin's future. Because although Bitcoin is Bitcoin and it is all decentralized and all that type of stuff, here in The Netherlands, we notice this very much so.   If the government controls all the on and off ramps,   there's not much you can do.  

You know, if there's no way to buy Bitcoin or almost no way, for instance, it's gonna be difficult. Or even if you have a bunch of Bitcoin and you cannot sell it in your country,   if you if you need to,   it's gonna be very difficult.   But now the tide kinda has turned, at least in The US, and it's   is forcing the rest of the world, at least Europe, to kinda also take another look. So I have way more,   trust and confidence   in it.   So,   yeah, like you, maybe, I I was following the news around Bitcoin, what was happening, all this all this type of stuff. I'm a lot less interested now.   I sometimes listen to, This Week in Bitcoin with Chris Fisher. You know, he he does the the macro overview, like, what's going on with the Fed,  

[00:18:04] Unknown:

how fast is money being printed, basically, kind of a teaser of, you know. And they're printing more just now. I got, no. It was not announced. Yeah. They're not.  

[00:18:13] Unknown:

But that's   good. Good. Go for it. Go nuts.   But, yeah, I'm just also just, you know, stacking my sets. I I'm just making sure that I have some because this stuff is rare. It is super rare. You know?   Every every millionaire obviously wants one.   That's impossible. It's not gonna happen. So if you have one or a bit,   that's good stuff. So everybody's gonna want some. All the big banks, all the big big boys.   Now here in Europe, obviously,   we're super scared of the Bitcoin because an escape hatch.   We're also very scared of the,   the stable coins that are coming where America,   can export their inflation with  

[00:18:58] Unknown:

because, you know, we Yeah. We're pushing forward with that, dude. We're gonna outgrow the debt.  

[00:19:03] Unknown:

Outgrow the debt. Yes. It's awesome.   But but yes. Probably. So, here, for instance, we're gonna get the CBDC very soon. It's   nobody knows what it is. Nobody wants it. But, the European Central Bank,   loves it, and it's their thing against the,   the stable coins so that you know? But I think it's gonna   work against them because as nobody wants this, we might all, you know, install a little wallet with a stable coin thing and start using them. Probably all Europeans will also start using the dollar.  

[00:19:40] Unknown:

Yeah. I was gonna say, like, I think that's an we're at an interesting   point in that in this story because   people, like, you know, the the people don't like,   the the central bank digital currency. That's no good. But then you bring in the stablecoin   situation, which is not, like, sort of centralized because companies are making   that.   And it's like,   but it's not, like, controlled by the government, but then the government is about to be regulating it and have to be legal. But then there seems to be, like, an open marketplace   for which stable coin do you wanna use.  

But then there's gonna be, like, a legit one of, like, a, you know, like, a   a a stable stablecoin   that will be affiliated with with the government.   And,   there's, like, this thing in my head where it's like, okay. It's not good, but it's still really useful, and it might help a lot of people. And people might be into it.   And maybe   maybe there's a chance that maybe some countries, hopefully, America is, like, good with it, and, like, we don't use it to to, like, to harm people. Even though that's, like, totally ridiculous and people are getting debanked and people are losing their accounts, like, billionaires and, like, what was it? I was just listening to a podcast about you know, they were I was listening to a podcast with   Donald Trump junior.  

He was in he has a company where, he has a Bitcoin mining company, and he was telling the story where,   yeah, I I I didn't know this until this podcast. But,   when they were setting up the Bitcoin mining company,   they were literally they literally lost their bank account.   And, like, it it was really just for that reason. You know? And, of course, like, it was politics and because of his dad and everything, but, like,   they were trying to move forward into the Bitcoin ecosystem.   And be because of the politics around that, they lost their bank account, and they only had, like, a few weeks to to change the money around. And I and, you know, and that's insane. You know? You got other rich people, you know, like Kanye West, you know, famously a few years ago lost his bank account for just, like, saying things.   You know? And regardless of, like, what you might agree with, like, what words are good and not good, you know, people are getting debanked. So it's like,   Bitcoin is, like, objectively good to to,   to fight against that. But then stablecoins seem really useful,   and there could be a chance that we outgrow the debt. Like, isn't that a positive thing to think about?  

Shouldn't we  

[00:22:06] Unknown:

should we out shouldn't we do that? Well, to me, you know, we're kinda getting to the end of the simulation here because things are getting so ridiculous.   Right? Where   I don't know. In five years, it'll be like, walking robots with, sentient   AI or something.   The the debt is,   unserviceable   in most, countries,   which makes it for all these crazy politics and all this crazy stuff because that is kind of a result of that.   So, you know, I just focus on what I personally can do, which is   safe in something that is not fiat money.   That's a good good idea.  

Stay healthy,   and make sure   with my fiat money that I have multiple bank accounts on different platforms   in case somebody decides to, you know, he can't use us anymore for whatever reason.   Yeah,  

[00:22:58] Unknown:

man. You gotta find some find some way to be decentralized,   find some way to be self sufficient. Yeah. And that goes into the health conversation. Yeah. You know? That that that goes into your body. That goes into how you treat your body, what foods you eat, what foods you buy, like, where you buy your food at.   You know? Like, what's been your health journey? Because, you know, America Plus, I I I'm trying to talk about more, like, health, more spirituality,   more, like, philosophy type stuff.   What's been your health journey? Because, clearly, like, I feel like you're a healthy guy, and you just mentioned that you   bought some health book with Abel James,   and that was sort of, like, a part of your origin story. Like, talk about your health. Like, how do you think about your health? How do you approach your health? What's out what's all that about? So when I was,  

[00:23:39] Unknown:

young I'm still relatively young. But when I was younger,   I always had, like, bad guts, and I had, like, tummy aches, and it was just horrible.   And the doctor said, you know, it's IBS, irritable bowel syndrome.   Go home. There's nothing you can do. Just chill out. I don't know. Basically, he says, I don't know.   No idea.   Sure. But that's kind of what that is. Anything that is a syndrome is kind of, a collection of symptoms where they have not really an idea what it is.   That's okay. You know, they they don't get that taught in med medical school.   But, you know, I suffered quite a lot. And then   in my teens, I found out that I was actually lactose intolerant.  

That was kind of, you know, a root cause for all that suffering because I used to you know, I live in The Netherlands. I drink milk. I eat cheese. That's not gonna work.   But I never saw the the the connection, the correlation between, hey. I'm doing this stuff, and now it hurts.   But, also, the doctor never asked, you know, what are you eating, for instance.   And then   Which is That is not Because when I take my dog to the vets, that's the first thing they they ask.   What is he eating?   Yeah.   But, you know, we are humans, and so we're sub standards and sub,   subpar to to animals.  



[00:24:59] Unknown:

We're sub dog. We're beneath dogs. And so,  

[00:25:02] Unknown:

later on, I also found out I'm gluten intolerant, which I'm convinced,   I,   made myself gluten intolerant   because I was lactose intolerant, punishing my gut, which makes my gut permeable.   So larger bits of food can go through it.   As I am in The Netherlands, I eat,   lots of bread.   And so bread particles go through it, and then my immune system sees that and thinks, hey. That's an enemy. Let me just make some,   antibodies,   for that.   And so, you know, whenever I now ingest,   gluten,   my body tries to attack that a little bit, and I get a bit inflamed. So it's not not like a deadly thing or something, not like, celiac disease, but I do feel it.   And so   with these things finally uncovered,   I got a chance to heal myself,   and I went to kind of the equivalent of a functional doctor here in The Netherlands.  

And they, you know, prescribed me a diet, gluten free diet.   And,   at that time, and that's a long time ago,   that was, like, gluten free bread, gluten free cookies,   gluten free, I don't know,   rice stuff. Do all that stuff. So all carbs.  

[00:26:15] Unknown:

And they have double the ingredients.  

[00:26:17] Unknown:

All still processed stuff and just crap. But, you know, no gluten, no dairy, so good for you.   That didn't really work for me.   But, you know, it was a start.   And also by that time, I did not trust doctors at all because, you know, they they never helped me with my issue, and they just, you know, send me away   with my issues. So I had to look for the answers myself.   And I did that, in books, in podcasts back in the day, Abel James podcast, for instance, and there were lots of others. Mark Hyman was around.   Ben Greenfield   was also around.  

Still around those guys.   Very good. They've been doing that for decades.   Yeah. And then just went on a journey to just learn anything I can about the human body,   dive into any   subject   around functional health,   nutrition, all that type of stuff.   And now after lots of experimentation   and, just trying stuff out, trying diets out and stuff, I'm now in a place where I do kind of a   yeah. I eat a lot of meat, but also some vegetables and some carbs and stuff,   and that just works very well for me. And I do some supplements here and there.   I do, High Rocks nowadays, which is a weird type of sport.  

I do lots of running, and, it's a bit functional, wall ball, squats, that type of stuff as well.   And that just works.   You know? And I I know I now have a huge   toolbox of things that I can use when I feel, for instance, a cold coming up or, I don't know. I've been drinking for a night. How do I fix it?   You know? My kids are snotty. Stuff like that. So   I feel like I'm in a pretty good place now.   Obviously, I can always improve, but, you know, I'm never sick.   I never have any gut issues anymore.   I have steady energy throughout the day.   And, yeah, it's all good.  



[00:28:19] Unknown:

That's so interesting because I feel like I I had a similar,   story because,   back in '20 I think it was in 2017,   the first Joe Rogan podcast that I ever listened to, he was talking to Morris Sisson. And Mark Sisson, he's always been very pushing, like, the primal blueprint,   you know, talking about a little bit of ketogenic, but also just, like, you know, just eating what your ancestors ate. And I was really into that idea.   And I had this journey because I was, like, right after so I graduated high school in 2015, and then I gained weight.   And then I was sort of just, like, you know, just, like, not knowing what I'm about to do with my life and sort of, like, this, like, weird depressed state.  

And then, I find Mark Sisson, and then I get interested in ketogenic.   And then   I had this summer where I just got really inspired   and just just really I I locked in. And a part of that is tied to,   a mushroom experience that I had in May 2017,   and that, like, completely, like you know, that changed my perspective on my body, and I still, like   I I saw this image. I saw this, like, vision of, like, of, like, a little, like, gardening ladle gardening thing, and   water was, like, pouring over,   you know, like, intestines   and, like, my body. Yeah. You know, like, inside of my body. And water was just, like, pouring over me. And I had this, like, this this message of, like, water your body,   feed your body, grow your body.  

And after that situation, I took what Mark Sisson had said. I went ketogenic.   I went really hard,   and I lost a ton of weight, and I was feeling great.   You know? And now it's been,   like I guess, like, since COVID, it's been, like, ebbs and flows of just, like, like, seeing what what's working with me, what's not working with me because I'm also lactose intolerant.   And that's also the same era that I like like, when I was graduating high school, I'm like, oh my god. Like, I'm not getting acne when I don't drink milk. This is crazy.   And so I saw that correlation,   and I stopped drinking milk, like cow's milk, and I went straight to almond milk. But I've also had, like, phases. I've had phases of things of   what's working, what's not working.  

I had a phase where I actually moved away from almond milk because it   was hurting me, and I discovered raw milk, unpasteurized   cow's milk, and goat's milk and stuff. And, you know, that's completely changed my life. You know? And now, like, milk is, like, a part of my my diet. You know?   I was curious, like,   did you ever experiment with raw milk? Have you thought about that? Is that, like, a thing in your country? What is that like? It is, obviously illegal,  

[00:30:53] Unknown:

you know, because we're crazy.  

[00:30:56] Unknown:

It's illegal. Okay. I didn't know that. That's so But you can get it at the farmer.  

[00:31:00] Unknown:

You know? You can just go to a farmer and get it,   and and it's good. But I haven't tried it because, you know, I'm kinda in my head, I'm so traumatized. I know what happens to me when I drink milk. You know? I get bloated.   I ain't gonna sit on the on the toilet for the next day. It's gonna be bad. Mhmm. So having an actual glass of milk, I don't care where it comes from. I I'm just I'm not there yet. I'm not there.  

[00:31:24] Unknown:

Yeah, man.   You should've seen me the first night because I I I the reason I even, like, found it is because I found this, there's, like, these random YouTube videos of these, small interviews of these parents   picking up raw milk,   at their local farmer. And this one dad had this story   of he he he had this baby girl. Like, you know, she's, like, one or two years old. And every time they gave her any sort of dairy, she had terrible stomachache and, like, it was just bad. And but then they   they experimented with raw dairy, and she had no issues.   You know? Her breath was normal. You know? Her diaper was normal, and, like, they literally just saw a difference.  

And   I was like, what is going on with that?   And so I looked up the laws in my,   in my state, in California. Luckily, think I just like, I'm just lucky. I live on the West Side Of Of America. Because the West Side Of America, it's, like, legal to buy in the store. But then, like, the East Side, it's, like, more illegal. It's more common to be illegal.   So I don't know what that's about.   But,   I was able to buy I I bought a pint of raw milk. You can buy a pint over here.   And,   and, I I I I poured the glass, and I'm I stared at the glass for, like, ten minutes. I was just I I was as scared because I I was traumatized as well. Like, I know what the feeling is. I know what I know what that's about.   And I was like, alright. Here we go. It's either gonna   be eight hours of discomfort   or nothing. Yeah. Just go for it. And,   yeah, I'm just gonna go for it. And then I drank it, and it was delicious. I was like, okay. This is good. It tastes like milk. And I took took another sip. And and the interesting the the thing about lactose intolerance is, like, you sort of know incidentally   if you had it. And so I was like, alright. Like, after, like, the first gulp, I'm gonna know pretty fast.  

And so I gulped it, and then, like, I waited a minute, and I my stomach was fine.   I was like, okay. Is this, like, a delayed balm? Like, am I is this gonna be worse because it's not happening yet? Yeah.   And then I just kept drinking it, and then nothing happened. An hour passed, and I was fine. I felt good. I felt better, honestly.   And I was like, holy   shit. Like, I think I just found a new milk. And then I went down the rabbit hole of all that. And   and then, like, this is sort of, comical. So I I I bought the raw butter,   which I don't anymore purely based on the economics of things. Like, dude, the a pound of raw butter is so much money, dude. A a a gallon of milk is is super expensive, but the   you out here, you gotta pay $17   for a pound of raw butter,   which   is absolutely   ridiculous. So I don't do that right now. But,   but I I I bought some raw butter, and I bought some sourdough. I've never had an issue with, with any sort of bread, but when I eat bread, I like to do, like, like, super low ingredients,   like, four to five ingredients in sourdough.  

I spread some raw butter on there, and I was like, let's see how this is.   And as soon as the butter touched my tongue, I started to cry. Like, water was count coming out of my face. And I wasn't emotional. It was just pouring out of I was like, woah. What is this?   And I was like, this is delicious. And something about I don't know what it was because I had had   bread and butter before,   but not like that. And something about   the enzymes, something about the nutritious side of of raw dairy. My body, like, just took that in, and there was, like, some sort of release. Yeah. Maybe it just enabled you to release some trauma there.   Possibly.  

Possibly. So, like, I mean, let me just encourage you to just, like, experiment. You know? Just get one glass. Make sure the wife's out of the house. Make sure the kids are at school. You know? And just do, like, a few gulps, and then you can figure it out, dude. Because it might, like, it might change your life. I'm gonna try. There's, like Yeah.   Yeah. The the all all the information is about, like, you know, the there's all the natural enzymes Yeah. That's in raw milk. You know? Because when they pasteurize it,   they're they're boiling away certain enzymes that help your body digest the milk. You know? In particular, if you're lactose intolerant, that means that you're unable to digest the sugar in milk.  

Within raw milk, you have this compound. You have this enzyme called lactase.   And lactase, you know, if you were to go to the store, I'm sure they have it, in your grocery stores, you're able to buy dairy free or not dairy free, lactose free milk.   Right?   Like the brand Lactaid or   or whatever brand they have out there.   If you look at the ingredients   on the lactose free milk,   the only thing that's different is that they're adding in a synthetic version of lactase.   That's the only that's the only difference.   And so but in raw milk, lactase is naturally occurring. Okay. And so, like, that's, like, the biggest that's, like, the biggest thing to think about. You know? You got that natural enzyme that helps you   break down sugars   all right there. And then I have friends who have stories of being lactose intolerant, and once they go into raw, raw dairy,   they actually heal their lactose intolerance.  

Now I have friends. Now   I I sort of can do the same things, but I'm not as heavy about it. I still want to do, like, as raw as possible. But I have friends where   because they ingested so much raw dairy, now if they had pasteurized anything, pasteurized cheese, even pasteurized milk,   they don't have an issue anymore because their body was able to develop all the   necessary   enzymes and bacteria in their gut to then take in   whatever else that they're taking in.   So it's a very interesting   it's it's a huge rabbit hole that I don't think people really talk about a lot and, like, people haven't really explored all that much. There's a handful of people talking about raw dairy,   but I think that's a real medicine.  



[00:37:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Probably.   Alright. I'll give that a go. I'll let you know how that goes.  

[00:37:29] Unknown:

Well, good. Good. Good. Good. Good. I'm happy I can force you to do it on air.   Oh, it'll be fun. Live toilet live toilet cam. Toilet cam.   Yeah. That's cool, though, man. What got you in so, like, what were what were your phases? Like, what were your phases of health? Like, what was, like, what what were a few different moments where sort of gave you, like, an unlock of, like, oh, that's working. And, like, oh, this other thing is helping me in this other area. What were those phases of of health for you?  

[00:38:01] Unknown:

Oh, when I when I started, when I knew I was lactose intolerant, it forced me to look at all the labels   always.   Because everything here in The Netherlands contains milk, even ham   and and certain breads and stuff. It's nuts. It's in everything.   So   that's good. So I have to just look at everything, which means everything needs to be a lot cleaner,   basically.   But, you know, I was still   going to the supermarket and then picking the cleanest,   highly processed stuff out there.   The cleanest shit in town? Exactly. So I I didn't know.   And then I had a a period where I also based on Mark Sisson, I did the,   what does he call it? The huge bigs salad or something. He has a he has a word for it or phrase for it. So huge salad in the afternoon with some fish and stuff in it.  

You know, I did that for a while, but that never satisfied me. It just wasn't   after that, I was just a bit bloated, upset,   and still hungry. So it did didn't work for me. And then I kinda got into, the carnivore thing   where, you know, I heard Paul Saladino,   what's the other guy that does the rowing?   Sean Baker.   I thought, really? You know? Because I was always with,   with, the cardiovascular   disease. You know, that's probably not good for you. Right?   Fats, all that saturated fat, that's probably bad for you. And before that, I was, already my functional doctor did, like, DNA tests on me. And apparently, I have, APOE four three, which means I am more   prepositioned   to Alzheimer's disease and also cardiovascular   disease,   because because she said, you know, I'm not very good at, metabolizing   saturated   fat.  

And I thought, oh, jeez, man. Now I need to kinda,   you know, avoid all that stuff. So anything fatty for a while, I I avoided that stuff, and I did low fat stuff.   And that just made me   just worse. I was always pretty thin, but then with, like,   a a protruded belly because it was just upset   all the time. Mhmm. And then I I just had no energy at all. But then,   again, back to, the carnivore thing, I did try it,   because then I also fell into a rabbit hole through my own podcast, Improving Berry, where I got to interview Nina Teichol,   and a couple other people,   that talked about saturated fats and how that is not a problem. It actually, it is the the opposite   and why that, that is portrayed as a problem by the industry.  

And so I just went all in with carnivore thing for a while, and that just that clicked for me. Boom. Everything just clicked on.   My body composition became a lot a lot better.   Like, I'm still lean. I'm still thin, but, you know, I now have a lot more muscle.   I feel a lot better. My tummy is flat and not upset anymore.   So I cut out all the vegetables there for a while,   and that just it was great. It just made me feel awesome.   Just just incredible.   You know, I had,   good poops   for   Good. Which is, you know That's, like, so important. Like, people wanna talk about that and I never had that before, but, you know, you're supposed to kind of poop every day and cleanly.   If if you do a good job and if it's going well for you, you almost don't need toilet paper, almost. You still use it. You know? Almost.  

Mhmm. But that never happened for me before.   And now I thought, you know, this there there's something to this. So I just kept that going for a while.   And then, you know, later on, I just, started adding things back in. Potatoes,   you know, out of vegetables.   I never ever eat a salad, by the way, anymore.   Just just don't feel like it. I don't think it's gonna kill me or anything, or it's gonna be very bad for me, but I I just don't feel like it.   And now I'm way more resilient. So if I do eat something with gluten in it, which does happen,   it's okay.  

I feel it because I'm now very, very sensitive.   Like, I can feel when something is hurting me.   But I know I can get rid of it in a day or two or something.   That's fine. Yeah. I'm not gonna if I keep that up for weeks, then it's gonna hurt me plenty, and probably my gut's gonna be bad again.   But no. So definitely,   the meat   type of stuff, carnivore,   that absolutely helped me a lot. That was a thing.   And then I think a year ago, I started exercising   seriously again.   So I did that a lot when I was, younger. I played tennis for twenty five years, and after that, I did some marathons and stuff. And then for a whole   while, like, my daughter is now nine.  

And I think since since her birth or something, it just tapered off. You know? Busy, busy, busy being a dad and just, you know,   didn't feel like playing tennis anymore, running.   I didn't like it anyways.   But now I found something, and that's an that's the High Rocks.   And that is a kind of a CrossFit thing, but with more running and less lifting, but still a lot of lifting.   And that works for me. And so   that combined with now my lifestyle as well, but with food,   don't drink as much.   I take,   yeah, it it just works. And another big thing that also helped me is functional   mushrooms.  

So functional mushrooms. So think chaga Like lion's mane and stuff like that? Absolutely. Lion's mane, chaga,   shitake,   that type of stuff. I kinda cycle those. Like, right now, I'm taking lion's mane twice a day.   In, I don't know, a couple weeks, I'm gonna stop that for a couple of weeks, then I'm gonna go for the chaga.   And that those are immunomodulators,   so they don't ramp your immune system up or down. They just make sure it works pretty well,   like like optimally.   And they all have their different, like, superpowers.   Like lion's mane also,   promotes nerve growth   also in your brain,   and everywhere,   which is awesome.  

You can just feel yourself switching on after a while. Like, it's not like when I take lion's mane immediately, I'm like, oh, yeah.   No. It doesn't work like that. You should need to take it a couple of weeks.   Chaga is like a master antioxidant.   It's, like, super heavy.   It's not a heavy impact or anything, but, you know, it also gets rid of, heavy metals, stuff like that. So doing that occasionally is also a very, very good idea.   And then a shiitake is like,   if I feel a cold coming up or something, I do shiitake because that really does up ramp,   the immune system. That's like a big gun.  

I do that only for maybe couple weeks,   and then, you know, I kinda never get sick. Plus all of these things are all they do so many magical things,   but they are also anti cancerous.   They thin the blood as well a little bit, which can be very helpful against blood clots and all that type of stuff.   And they are also very good for your gut bacteria.   So I feel that that they just make the gut more stable as well in general.   So I kinda always take,   functional mushrooms,   one of them. And then I take, things like, you know, magnesium, I always take vitamin k Mhmm.   Two or three.  

D three as well because, you know, we don't have the sun here. It doesn't exist.   And then sometimes I take, vitamin c and or, like,   a multivitamin   with b vitamins and that type of stuff in it. But I do that very occasionally.   But, you know,   kind of found what's working for me right now.  

[00:45:57] Unknown:

Mhmm. So that works. Are you taking the mushrooms? Like, is it like a powder or is it like a tincture? Like, what Because it's tincture. Form are you taking it? It's a tincture from, Finland. It's called, Kapa mushrooms, double a,  

[00:46:10] Unknown:

k, double a, and p a. And it's like super high quality tincture   with, you know, a little pipette pipette. What's it called? I don't know. Little thing.   A dropple, and then you just   Right. Ingest it.  

[00:46:24] Unknown:

Yeah. During COVID, when I was getting COVID money, I was going to the farmer's market all the time, and there was, like, this, like, mushroom guy, and they had, like, some lion's mane tincture for, like, $50.   And, I was like, yeah. Let's do it. And I felt great. I I felt really good on the on the lion's mane. I was like, mushrooms are legit.   I haven't experimented with   I I forget the name of of the type, but there's, like, this one mushroom that tastes like chicken when you cook it. And so I   it's real. It's real. I I forget the name, but it actually tastes like chicken when you cook it. The turkey tail. And   maybe turkey tail. I   but I I don't think it was that obvious. It was something like that.  

But it was actually really good. You just gotta fry it a little bit. Not fry, but, like, you know, just put on the pan. Just cook it a little bit. Just get it warm,   and then   you actually just like it tastes like a little chicken tender.   Got some chicken tendies with with me, dude. Nice.   So mushrooms are actually it's like they're really good. I feel like there's been within, like, the health sphere, there's been, like there's phases   of of, like, what's good for you, and then the entire health sphere is, like, pushing it. And then it's like they're going over to the to the next thing. Yeah. And it's, like, evolved into, like, now we're, like, fighting about,   is meat good or vegetables good? Is, like, peep like, there's so much infighting within, like I I don't wanna say the community. Yeah. But just, like, the amount of information that's out there, there seems to be people who wanna,   like, control the information. You know?  

Because peep because I follow Paul Saladino.   I follow Mark Sisson, and those two guys are pretty aligned with their ideas. But then you got other people   who are maybe they have a history in, like, traditional,   like, education.   And they might be a doctor or they might be just, like, some researcher,   and they don't think raw dairy is good for you or they don't think eating meat all the time is good for you. And then they're bringing up all these all these studies, but then   Saladino and Mark Sisson, they have, like, a lived experience, and they both look good.   And then, like, online, you get people, like, screenshotting some, like, Saladino,   Instagram reel, and they're like, look at his face. He looks terrible. He looks like a he looks like a 50 year old woman. Yeah. It's like, oh my god. So now we're really judging people off cosmetics. Like, I don't like, how are we supposed to judge the health? You know? It's like people, like, people online, like, sort of, like, get caught up in   in the image   of things. But the entire purpose of discussing health is about how you feel. What's your lived experience?  

You know? There's even this other guy I follow.   He's a he's I would consider him like a like   a Christian Jesus influencer sort of a thing. His name's Aaron   Aaron Abbke. K. And he pushes this thing that he interprets as the Jesus diet. And it's vegetarian,   but I think he has eggs.   But I don't think he does, like, raw dairy or anything, but but he has all this information about why that's healthy for you, and he's shredded. So he's either lying and doing steroids or he's actually   doing it. He's actually living his philosophy   and, you know, eating mostly   eating,   like, a heavy vegetable diet,   and it's, like, working for him. So it's like everybody   is different. You know? I feel like people forget about that. You know? So many people, like, whether it be a centralized government   or a person online,   you know, people want, like, a one way street when it comes to money and health and, like, you need to eat this, and this is gonna this food is will kill you, so we're not gonna allow you to buy it.  

And it's like, well, like, that that's just not true.   You know? And people need a I I feel like there needs to be, like, a unlock of consciousness of people just   thinking for themselves of, like, what is actually good. Because   I I see people get caught in between these things where   they are living   a life that's seeking health, and they are experimenting,   But then they're working off of centralized   information.   And it's like these two things are sort of fighting.   And   it just it seems very difficult. You know? And so I'm happy that you found your health. You know? I feel like I   feel like people like you and people who are just, like, willing to experiment on their bodies are, you know,   they're important for Earth because people need to figure that out. You know?  



[00:50:47] Unknown:

Yeah. But I think most importantly, you need to stay curious   and, and and zoom out a little bit as well,   because like you said, you can just   get caught up in the details.   Like, I I got into this rabbit hole of longevity   for a while.   Listen to, people like David Sinclair who has all these things, and you need to take,   oh,   what was it? N NMN   precursors  

[00:51:13] Unknown:

and, Dude, all the longevity people are so like, I don't follow any of those people.  

[00:51:17] Unknown:

Yeah. All all that type of stuff. And then I think, you know,   who care? I don't wanna I don't wanna be a 130. I don't care. I just wanna so   if you zoom out and you you just see oh, there's a dog.   Hi, doggy.   Okay. Kung Sao. K.   Go on.  

[00:51:39] Unknown:

Nice.  

[00:51:41] Unknown:

So Home life. Yeah. It's lovely.   I got a little dog.  

[00:51:47] Unknown:

Love it, dude. What's your dog's name?  

[00:51:49] Unknown:

Ruby.   Ruby. She turned two yesterday.   It's very Nice. Yeah. Still a puppy. Yeah.   What was I saying? So, yeah, if if you zoom out and you and this is very difficult.   But if you can determine, you know, what what what are my goals? Like,   grand goal for life. What is it? So for me,   like, this that just was one of my kids.   I wanna be alive and fit for my kids   so that I can just play with them now,   but also in ten years and twenty years,   still pick them up maybe. I don't know. They're gonna be super big, but, you know, I wanna be fit.   And I don't need to become,   a 130 years old. I don't care. If I can just have good days, most of my days are good where I feel good. I have lots of energy.  

I can move around well. You know? I I don't have any injuries.   And then I maybe drop dead of a heart attack or something at 70 or 75.   You know what? Awesome. Let's do it. I'll sign up for that right now if I could.   So I don't care about any NMN precursors or getting my daily,   reserve or toll in or something so that, at some day, they can upload my brain to the cloud or something. I don't care about that. So Yeah.   You know, if you just take that into perspective,   and then you can forget about all of that stuff where people say, you know what? Yeah. The the carnivore diet is great, but does it work when people do it for twenty years? Who cares?   You know? If it makes you feel good by now and, you know, after a year or so, you don't have any obvious   things going super wrong with you,   keep doing them.  



[00:53:27] Unknown:

Mhmm.   Here's my real longevity,   like, health barometer.   Like, I feel like   so I I I have a nephew. Right? He he's about to turn six or seven. I forget how old he's about to be, but my barometer is, am I healthy enough to just start playing with him? Yeah. Like, and, you know, like, am I healthy enough to just, like, start running? Just start swimming. Like, uncle, let's start let let let's jump in the pool right now. Just do it. Or like, yeah. Just do it right now. You know? Don't you don't need to wait to warm up to play with the kid. You know?   I was just visiting, him in Arizona,   a few weeks ago. And one of the things that he loves to do, and I love taking him there, we there's this, trampoline park. You know? It's just this Yeah. It's this indoor environment. Just a bunch of trampolines everywhere.  

And   you buy, like, a two hour,   block. You know? And   I'm literally jumping with a bunch of six year olds for two hours straight.   And they got, like, a little basketball. We gotta dunk the basketball on the trampoline.   You know? And it's just two hours straight. And, you know, you I tried to go for as long as I could   until I, like, I needed, like, a real break. And, you know,   I just realized, like, this is, like, this is real health. Like, being able to just jump for two hours with this kid   is, like, the real Bronner because that's it's your muscles. It's your heart. You know? It's your brain. Are you staying focused? Are you, like, are you still playing? You know? Because feel I feel like sometimes, like, if you're more tired, if you're more unhealthy,   you're unwilling to play. Like, you're unwilling to,   have an imagination   with a kid. And that's when you might be like, no. I don't wanna do it. I'm tired. No. Let's not play that let's not play Dragon. Let's not play that game. Yeah. Yeah. But then, like, when you are healthy, it's like,   why not? It's like, yeah. Let's let's do this. And then, like, you're just you're in the fantasy. You know? You're you're in whatever world that they're in,   and that's just I I find myself feeling so much more free   when I'm able to do that, when I'm able to just engage with that sort of thing.  

And,   I feel like all the longevity people, you know, Brian Johnson, whoever they are. I threw it screenshot. It's like they're just   they're focused on something that might be noble,   but it's also not   necessary   for the immediate you know, that that you're not being present. You know? It's like this, like, new form of anxiety.   You know? Like, anxiety is when you're thinking about the past or you're worried about the future.   You know? Like, they're worried about dying. They're worried about not living to a certain point. And it's like, that's just anxiety.   And, like, you gotta with your kid. You gotta just be here right now. Don't be afraid of the freaking sun. Like, are you kidding me? You live in you live in California. If you live in California and you're avoiding the sun, you're stupid.  

Like, that's so insane. Like, I'm outside. I try to be outside all the time as much as possible.   It's like the last thing I'm gonna do is, like, be afraid of nature.  

[00:56:22] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. So so they all, they operate,   from fear, so fear based.   And,   I I'm rewatching,   Game of Thrones, which is awesome.   And, what did the guy say? He said,   don't be afraid of your death. Be afraid of,   be more you know,   worry about,   having a great life.   Mhmm. I thought that was awesome. That was profound.  

[00:56:47] Unknown:

That's a real philosophy.  

[00:56:48] Unknown:

It's all you can do really as well.  

[00:56:51] Unknown:

Mhmm. And it echoes throughout all of time. You know? I feel like every religion, every philosophy,   that is like a that's a universal truth. You know? Some people within the religious sphere, they don't wanna talk about, like, universal truths, but there are.   And, like, if you were to   if you were to stay present, you know, like, that's that's perfect. That's a good life. That's a that's a heavenly life.   You know? Like, people I'm not I'm not sure why that is. You know? Maybe people get caught up. Maybe people just forget. You know? I, right now, the movie that's coming to mind is,   Steven Spielberg movie Hook   where Robin Williams is Peter Pan. You know? Like, he forgets he's Peter Pan.  

Like, he forgets he's free. Like, that's, like, such a profound thing. There's just been there's been this thing online where   some people are sort of, like, coming back to to that film and, like, thinking about, like, oh my god. Like, people didn't like it in the nineties, but it's actually a profound movie.   You know? Like, not not in there's, like, some, like, some psychology stuff about finding your inner child,   but, like, whimsically, like, the whimsical side of that movie is like, no. You forgot you were free.   He forgot he was free. He forgot he was this, like, infinite being that could just do anything and have fun.  

And it's like, that's   so that's so real. That's so real. And, like, you know, it's just I love that. I love seeing when that happens and, like, creative people can channel that truth and, like, that just, like it's an infinite   it's a universal truth that everyone can relate to. You you know, no matter who you   are, color your skin, philosophy, religion,   region.   You know, that's real. It's truth.  

[00:58:31] Unknown:

Yeah. And that,   you know,   I also had, like, a a bout of spirituality   where I did, like, I also did a mushroom session, which was profound, by the way. Yeah.   And I did,   a hypnosis session, which was also super interesting. Wow.   But now I'm like, you know what? Yeah.   I think we are   instantiations   of, of the universe.   We're doing, like, an experience here, like a like a VR experience.   It's awesome. We have pain. We have suffering. We have joy, all that type of stuff, which is great.  

[00:59:09] Unknown:

And we have this yearning. Oh, there's a cat. I know. The cat likes to hang out on top of the fridge now. So it's cool. He just comes from the ceiling.  

[00:59:18] Unknown:

That was crazy.   And,   you know what? But we all have this, like,   you know, god shaped hole where we have this yearning to go back to   all that stuff   to to the all where, you know, everything feels nice and warm and unconditional   love and all that that stuff. But   you know what? Like, like, chasing the spirituality   and,   trying to get there because that's kinda what you're doing when you're doing that. Kinda trying to get as close as you can to that universal base state.   That's kinda not the point, I think. Because why else would we be here in this VR experience? I kinda chose this, probably.   So I shouldn't be chasing that. I'll go there anyways when I die, and it'll be soon enough.  

So I should just focus on this here, this experience right here because that's all there is right now anyways.   I can try to grasp it. You know, it's kinda   escapism   to try.   And I get that. I also want to go there. Absolutely.   But, you know, I've stopped that now for a while and just try to focus on on this   this heavy Earth life.  

[01:00:29] Unknown:

I know. It's so heavy.   It's so heavy.   And, you know, I I So here's a video game analogy, and I know you gotta leave soon, but here's a video game analogy. It's like, if you're not being present and you're trying to just, like, find Nirvana and you're ignoring life, you're sort of trying to disconnect from everything around you.   It's almost like you're playing a video game,   and you're just, like, collecting resources,   and you're not using them.   It's like you're you're in the game, but you're not even playing the game. You're just, like, trying to collect what you think is valuable for, like, the update. Like, you're just focused on getting as much resources because when the update happens, then this is gonna be amazing for me. But then you're not even playing the game. It's like you're collecting Pokemon but not doing any battles.   You know? Like, it's like it's like that's not like the point of Pokemon is to have the battles, you know, and collect them all. You know? You like,   it's it's it's very interesting. You know? Because then   the, the the Pokemon only evolve when they fight.  

You know?   Like, when they have experience, when they have XP, that's when they evolve.   And it's like, that's the same thing. It's a sort of, like, a similar parallel with humans.   Like, you only upgrade when you go through stuff, when you choose to engage  

[01:01:42] Unknown:

with what you're actually going through when you And that is very difficult, of course. Yes. Because, you know, the world, everything is a distraction. It's super difficult. You know? You have your phone with the little videos on and all day long, and there's the news and there's other people and there's your work and there's a whole system that makes you do stuff all day for so that you have money and stuff. So it's super difficult. I do get it. But,   all that stuff is also just part of the experience.  

[01:02:07] Unknown:

Yeah.   Yeah. If you're to, like, write down something for your kids or your family, like and maybe we we can, like, wrap up with this.   If you're to put on paper, like,   what is a healthy life? Or, like, what is like, how can you approach health and spirituality?   What would you write down on paper for someone to to explore or think about?  

[01:02:33] Unknown:

It's a great question.   I would say keep it simple.   So for health, that is   do all the basics.   So   eat clean, real food that your grandparents can   can recognize as food.   So anything with a label on us on it is a warning label, basically.   Sleep, move,   you know, that those basics.   Think if you got those,   you're, you know,   90%   healthier than most people, probably.   Spirituality,   I would say,   just stay curious.   Stay curious about everything   that you see around you, that people tell you, that,   you see on television or hear somewhere,   you know, might not be true.  

What is the case?   Who knows what is true?   But, you know, don't just,   take everything,   for for what it is.   And also just, you know, try to play the game   because whatever is   out there in the news with the people,   all the people around you doesn't really matter. It's it's a like a huge video game.   So if you approach life from that, aspect,   kinda doesn't matter. You know? And it doesn't matter where you die as well. Doesn't really matter. Might be fun. Who knows where what you're doing when you die? Don't try to die because this is the experience. You know? You need to need to have this experience.   But, you know, try to focus on this experience.  

Don't try to escape   or,   you know, or or focus on the outside world as well, like the news, the politics, all that type of stuff. Doesn't matter. Just to show to enjoy. That's all.   Right. I guess that's kinda   it needs some work. Maybe I'll,   put it through Chachipity or something.  

[01:04:32] Unknown:

Chachipity.   How do I how do I live a spiritual life?   That's funny, man.   Well, dude, Barry, thank you so much for, for coming on here, man. I love this talk.   I think you're,   you know, we're we're both young. I will call you young, and I feel like we're both, like, young on our journey, but, like, you know, I feel like there's real wisdom. So just thank you for coming on. Thank you for sharing your mind and heart.   And,   yeah, man. I'll see you I'll see you in another two years, maybe sooner.  

[01:05:01] Unknown:

Maybe sooner. Yeah.