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Cole speaks with his filmmaking friend Andrew Brown. They discuss Andrews newest short film and "the process"

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hat's up, everyone?200:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000It's America Plus.300:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,000I'm your host, Cole McCormick.400:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,000It's another week into the episode.500:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,000What's going on, people?600:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,000Happy to be here.700:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,000Folks, we've got a special one for you.800:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,000We have a wonderful conversation today on America Plus.900:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000That's why it's a longer episode.1000:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,000It's a different structure.1100:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,000We're doing some different things.1200:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000First off, we're celebrating.1300:00:19,000 --> 00:00:24,000So just to give you a little bit of a preview of what we're doing, we're going to be doing1400:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,000some of these things.1500:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,000We're going to be doing some of these things.1600:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,000We're going to be doing some of these things.1700:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,000First off, we're celebrating.1800:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000Thank you for being here.1900:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000I'm celebrating you.2000:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000Celebrating last week, it was a satslinger.2100:00:35,000 --> 00:00:39,000You were getting 800, 900 satoshis.2200:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000What's up, satslinger?2300:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,000I love doing the satslingers.2400:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000It's always when I do the promotion.2500:00:45,000 --> 00:00:51,000It's when I try to connect with more people, try to get more people in on the vibe of innovating,2600:00:51,000 --> 00:00:56,000dude, trying to innovate our systems, just trying to do better.2700:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,000What I want to do first is just to give you a quick rundown.2800:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,000So I'm going to be going through the boosts right now, like in this first section.2900:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,000And then it's going to be just some value for value stuff, just talking about the community.3000:01:11,000 --> 00:01:17,000And then the rest of it is going to be about an hour and 20 minute conversation between3100:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,000me and my friend Andrew.3200:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,000I'll give you a bit more on Andrew later.3300:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,000But first, folks, America Plus.3400:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,000Welcome to America Plus.3500:01:24,000 --> 00:01:29,000I just want to shout out the people who wanted to support me last week.3600:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,000We're heading on into the boosts.3700:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000If you didn't know this, America Plus is a value for value show.3800:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,000That means that this is fully listener supported.3900:01:38,000 --> 00:01:45,000So if you're listening to this right now, you have the opportunity to show how much value this show gives you.4000:01:45,000 --> 00:01:53,000These people who donated last week donated a number 72 satslinger storyboard meeting4100:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,000last week.4200:01:54,000 --> 00:02:00,000I went through all the storyboards for my animated movie that's going to be coming out on Christmas Day 2023.4300:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,000My animated short film called Magic Mushroom Fun Time.4400:02:04,000 --> 00:02:10,000I'm putting my heart and soul into it and God is going to show up and it's going to be amazing.4500:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,000And it'll just it's something that I must create.4600:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,000I know this.4700:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,000It's something that I must create.4800:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,000So that's what I was expressing.4900:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,000Go back to that episode.5000:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000Check out the chapters and the images.5100:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000You see all the storyboards.5200:02:23,000 --> 00:02:30,000And the first person who wanted to support was at mere mortals.5300:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000What up my boy from Down Under.5400:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,000My friend Kyron Down.5500:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,000I'm so happy, dude.5600:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000I'm so happy you wanted to support me on this one.5700:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,000He sends in a satchel of Richards.5800:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000One thousand one hundred and eleven sats.5900:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000He says, send you a link about the sound stuff.6000:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,000Being wary and critical of politicians is a healthy mindset.6100:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,000I stay away from all that BS.6200:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,000There's nothing to be gained from putting any of my attention in that direction.6300:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000Yeah.6400:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,000OK.6500:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,000First of all, Kyron A, thank you for the email.6600:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000Thank you for the sound tips.6700:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,000I'm fixing them.6800:03:03,000 --> 00:03:08,000B, last week I was talking about Bitcoin from JFK Jr.6900:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,000I'm sorry.7000:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,000RFK Jr.7100:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,000Who's running for president here in the United States.7200:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,000And I don't care.7300:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000I simply do not care about.7400:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000Like, I barely care about his presidency, about his candidacy.7500:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,000And I really don't care about his position on Bitcoin.7600:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,000I'm happy that he likes Bitcoin, but I don't know why I like.7700:03:31,000 --> 00:03:41,000Why should Bitcoin be a lever for why I should vote for somebody in a system that's already been corrupt, in a system that's literally murdered this man's family?7800:03:41,000 --> 00:03:46,000So, like, I appreciate the Bitcoin, but I just don't care about the politicians.7900:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000So Kyron and I vibe on that, man.8000:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,000So Kyron, thanks for that little, thanks for that tidbit, man.8100:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,000Like, I think your government sucks, too.8200:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,000I think all of our governments suck.8300:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,000The next one is from at Candice Smile.8400:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,000She gives us one hundred and eleven.8500:04:03,000 --> 00:04:04,000Oh, wait, hang on, hang on, hang on.8600:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,000For Kyron.8700:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,000Boost me, bitch.8800:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,000Thank you, Kyron.8900:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000Was that too loud?9000:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,000Hang on.9100:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,000Boost me, bitch.9200:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000There we go.9300:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,000Good, good, good.9400:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,000Candice Smile, boost a one hundred and eleven stats from Canada.9500:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,000But enjoy your pod.9600:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,000Hey, thank you.9700:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000Thank you.9800:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,000And now, as the French say, it is time for the boost.9900:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,000From our boy on a monopoeia with the Star Wars profile pic.10000:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000I love this guy.10100:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,000He sends in five hundred satoshis.10200:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,000He says, boost for the asymmetrical art.10300:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,000Three flame emoji.10400:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,000Bustard.10500:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,000Bustard.10600:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000Yes, sir.10700:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000Yes, sir.10800:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000Yeah, the asymmetrical art.10900:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,000I just love doing that art.11000:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,000I like the way it vibes.11100:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,000I love if you're talking about the way Shannon draws the hand drawn stuff.11200:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000I love the way she draws.11300:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000If you're talking about any of the other images, they're most likely A.I.11400:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000or just like normal photos.11500:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,000So anyway, thank you.11600:05:07,000 --> 00:05:15,000And then we got two more from both are from our very good friend at Joel W.11700:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,000He sends in one thousand one hundred and eleven sets.11800:05:19,000 --> 00:05:25,000He says, speaking of shrooms, you should check out the book Psychedelic Gospels.11900:05:25,000 --> 00:05:35,000It's an alt view that, in my opinion, has some merit of biblical events being the result of some of some people involved consuming hallucinogens.12000:05:35,000 --> 00:05:46,000And that very early Christianity, before any institutional structuring, structuring took place, was actually a mushroom cult, for lack of a better term.12100:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,000Wow.12200:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,000Basically, you put Bitcoin with anything and all of a sudden that is more efficient.12300:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000Yeah, dude, mushrooms and Christianity go way back.12400:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,000I haven't read the exact book, Joel.12500:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000What is it called?12600:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000Psychedelic Gospels.12700:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,000I have not read that book, but I have read the book.12800:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,000Who's this guy?12900:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,000Let me open up my audible real quick.13000:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000This book is called The Immortality Key.13100:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,000And this author goes through something very, very similar.13200:06:16,000 --> 00:06:29,000He actually has access in the Vatican archives and he's actually able to physically look at these paintings and these texts that that reference that reference like psychedelics and mushrooms.13300:06:29,000 --> 00:06:35,000This guy's name is Brian C. Murrescue.13400:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,000Mur- Mur-a-rescue.13500:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,000The Immortality Key.13600:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,000Joel, I recommend that one to you.13700:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000I will look up psychedelic gospels.13800:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000I got a few credits on audible.13900:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,000Thank you.14000:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,000And then the last one from Joel, another satchel of Richard's 1111 sats.14100:06:51,000 --> 00:06:57,000He says, story sounded good from the start, but purple man chicken?14200:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,000Brilliant.14300:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,000I'm totally sold and can't wait to see this.14400:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,000Yes, dude.14500:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,000Boost.14600:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000Joel, dude, you're going to be in for a wild ride.14700:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,000My guy.14800:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000Um, I want it to be good.14900:07:10,000 --> 00:07:11,000I want it to be legit.15000:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000I want it.15100:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,000I want you to feel good.15200:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,000I want you to feel inspired.15300:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000I want you to see a new realm.15400:07:17,000 --> 00:07:23,000I want you to see through the veil of a more beautiful world that our hearts know is possible.15500:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,000And then it's going to lead into my Star Wars shit.15600:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000We're going down, bro.15700:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000We're going down, man.15800:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,000We're going up.15900:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,000We're going up.16000:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000Rock it, shit.16100:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,000Rock it, shit.16200:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,000Thank you for all those people, folks.16300:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,000Thank you for the value for value.16400:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,000I try to do my best to put as much value as I can into this.16500:07:42,000 --> 00:07:50,000I want to give you information and stories and practical tools that we can use to build our systems.16600:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000I'm trying to build my own creative system.16700:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000I'm trying to build my own financial system with Bitcoin.16800:07:56,000 --> 00:08:02,000I'm trying to have...I'm trying to be autonomous of my life.16900:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,000And with that, I need to learn skills.17000:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,000I need to learn technology.17100:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,000I need to continue to connect with people.17200:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,000And a part of that is also just knowing the type of story I want to tell.17300:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,000And in this conversation, you're about to hear, I'm speaking with my friend Andrew Brown.17400:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000I've known him for a few years.17500:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,000Him and I, we met at Warner Brothers.17600:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,000We were both tour guides there.17700:08:25,000 --> 00:08:33,000And it was there where me, him, and my friend Ben, who was on Long Ass Time Ago a few months ago,17800:08:33,000 --> 00:08:39,000the three of us, we started doing this little Instagram show we called the 60 Second Talk Show.17900:08:39,000 --> 00:08:44,000And we did that for about a year straight, just doing weekly episodes.18000:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,000And it was a lot of fun.18100:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000We learned a lot.18200:08:46,000 --> 00:08:55,000And so that's how I knew Andrew and we talked about the short film that he made during COVID during 2020.18300:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,000It's a fun short film.18400:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,000It's a comedy.18500:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000It's called A Night Out.18600:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,000My girlfriend Shannon acted in it.18700:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,000So she was...Shannon was just killing it this year.18800:09:05,000 --> 00:09:10,000Like in 2020, she did a bunch of filming and then like three years passed by and nothing really happens.18900:09:10,000 --> 00:09:16,000And now all of a sudden, these films that she was in, that she acted in, are now being released.19000:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,000So I'm just...I'm happy for Shannon.19100:09:18,000 --> 00:09:23,000And it was a fun...it's a fun little short film.19200:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,000It's like 10 or 15 minutes long.19300:09:25,000 --> 00:09:32,000And we go through the whole process of the writing and the making of and his perspective and what he was trying to accomplish.19400:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000You really get a good sense of who Andrew is.19500:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000You can really understand why he was a great tour guide.19600:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,000None of us are tour guides now.19700:09:39,000 --> 00:09:45,000But you can just feel, you can feel the nerdom running through us.19800:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,000Okay.19900:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,000This man loves 1930s screwball comedies.20000:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000I'm telling you, man.20100:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000He's a good guy.20200:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,000A little disclaimer.20300:09:55,000 --> 00:10:02,000There was, while we were recording, there was slight like clicking and humming during like in the audio.20400:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,000So I've been going back and forth on this.20500:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,000I tried taking away, like subtracting some sound.20600:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000I tried adding some sound.20700:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,000Trying to find like what the right balance is.20800:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,000I ended up just getting some royalty free lo-fi music and setting that down really low.20900:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,000The lo-fi music sounds like it's like an older song.21000:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,000So hopefully these two things like mesh.21100:10:23,000 --> 00:10:29,000So I'm just telling you upfront, if you hear any like buzzing or things that sound like an old microphone,21200:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,000just pretend it's from the 1950s, okay?21300:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,000Because I want it to sound like an old audio thing.21400:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,000So that's just how it is.21500:10:38,000 --> 00:10:45,000I spent like five hours editing the audio and then I put my headphones on and then I heard the buzzing and I was like, shit.21600:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000So that's just the situation.21700:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,000But I made sure to get like a very nice upbeat lo-fi.21800:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,000I'm not breaking any rules with it.21900:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,000Hopefully you're not annoyed by it.22000:10:55,000 --> 00:11:00,000I know these boomers in podcasting 2.0, they hate the lo-fi music in the background.22100:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,000I don't mind it.22200:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,000Just relax.22300:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,000We're just going to hang out.22400:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,000We're talking movies, folks.22500:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000We're talking movies.22600:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,000And yeah, just enjoy the ride.22700:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,000Ladies and gentlemen, director and writer, Andrew Brown.22800:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,000All right.22900:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,000Well, I can record whenever you're ready to start recording.23000:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,000Okay, dubdu.23100:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,000Yeah, start recording right now.23200:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,000I've been recording for the last few minutes.23300:11:22,000 --> 00:11:23,000Okay.23400:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,000Just keeping it loose.23500:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,000Okay.23600:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,000So we'll do like a nice little three, two, one.23700:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,000And I'm recording now.23800:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000Perfect.23900:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000Okay.24000:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,000Andrew, thank you for being here.24100:11:35,000 --> 00:11:42,000So we were talking about colors, eras, your short film, A Night Out.24200:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,000Is it based in the 90s?24300:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,000When is it based on?24400:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,000What's the era?24500:11:47,000 --> 00:11:52,000I think that it still is a current film.24600:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000I don't think that it's, I mean, if you look at the fashion of it, I mean, and the technology,24700:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,000they, I think there are cell phones in the movie.24800:11:59,000 --> 00:12:08,000I didn't try to make it in a specific, hey, we're shooting a piece that takes place in24900:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,0001995 or something.25000:12:11,000 --> 00:12:16,000However, you know, we shot it digitally.25100:12:16,000 --> 00:12:25,000I wish that I was a person of ample means and was able to fund the filming on actual25200:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,000film or something like that.25300:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,000But we shot it digitally.25400:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,000Well, it would be a classic.25500:12:31,000 --> 00:12:37,000So we kind of, we cheated on it and tried to, I wanted it to look like it was older and25600:12:37,000 --> 00:12:46,000so kind of color graded it and making it feel a little bit like it came from a film era.25700:12:46,000 --> 00:12:51,000And it's interesting, you know, that was kind of one of the, one of my main things.25800:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,000I just love the look of film.25900:12:54,000 --> 00:13:01,000And when it went to the festival, one of the girls there that wasn't in the film, she came26000:13:01,000 --> 00:13:06,000up to me and asked me, did you shoot on film?26100:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,000So I was like, well, maybe we did something right.26200:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,000If somebody looks at that and thinks it was shot on film, then great.26300:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,000That's perfect.26400:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000I mean, I don't look at it and say, gosh, this definitely was on film.26500:13:18,000 --> 00:13:25,000I mean, I think it has a film, filmatic look to it, but I wanted it to feel a little bit26600:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,000of that era.26700:13:27,000 --> 00:13:33,000So some of the typography and that kind of stuff still also feels kind of older because26800:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000it's a comedy.26900:13:35,000 --> 00:13:43,000And I think right now, if you think about it, there aren't really that many comedy films27000:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000being put out.27100:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,000There's definitely not studio movies that are comedies.27200:13:48,000 --> 00:13:55,000And if you go back to like the 80s and 90s, I mean, and you look at the release dates27300:13:55,000 --> 00:14:01,000throughout every week and every Friday of every year, I would say you're going to find27400:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,000a comedy, a studio comedy, at least two a month.27500:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,000When I heard that you're putting your movie in a festival, I couldn't be more happy for27600:14:10,000 --> 00:14:19,000you because out of all, like the whole summer of 2020, there's a slew of us that made different27700:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000projects.27800:14:20,000 --> 00:14:25,000There was like, it was my movie, your movie, Walter's movie, and then like a few other27900:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000groups did their stuff.28000:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,000And like you were like the last one to release it.28100:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000And I was like, yes, finally.28200:14:32,000 --> 00:14:37,000Yeah, I have a problem of taking my time.28300:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,000And I don't know if that means it's perfect or not.28400:14:41,000 --> 00:14:46,000Probably if I went back and watched it again, I'd probably find more things I don't like.28500:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,000But you know, that's okay.28600:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000I definitely take my time.28700:14:49,000 --> 00:14:56,000So I wanted it to kind of feel a little innocent because now I think societally, we are just28800:14:56,000 --> 00:15:02,000so jaded and don't look at things and we don't want to laugh.28900:15:02,000 --> 00:15:09,000So I just wanted the feel of it, the look of it to be kind of disarming, you know, and29000:15:09,000 --> 00:15:15,000feel like it's kind of a different era where we weren't as cynical.29100:15:15,000 --> 00:15:21,000Because that's all it is, is that I wasn't trying to cure cancer and I wasn't trying29200:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,000to make a statement.29300:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,000I just thought, you know, this is a funny scenario.29400:15:26,000 --> 00:15:31,000And I think that we need movies that we can laugh.29500:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,000I don't think there's anything wrong with a movie that's making a statement.29600:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000I think those can be good.29700:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,000But I think that you need a balance.29800:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,000I think you need both of them.29900:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,000In the old days, they used to say, you know, one for us, one for them, the studios would30000:15:46,000 --> 00:15:52,000say that we'll make a film that is topical and kind of a think piece.30100:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,000And that's ours.30200:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000And we'll do one of those.30300:15:54,000 --> 00:16:00,000And then we're going to do one for them, one for just the mass appeal, not trying to30400:16:00,000 --> 00:16:06,000teach us anything, just something that's a popcorn movie.30500:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000I think it's fun.30600:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,000Like when I was watching it, I felt very cozy.30700:16:10,000 --> 00:16:15,000First of all, like the way you put together the images and the colors and the music to30800:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,000really brings it all together.30900:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,000That's what I found out when I made my short film.31000:16:19,000 --> 00:16:23,000Like the music drives so much of the emotion.31100:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,000And that's why I was curious about the era, because it feels like 90s.31200:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000It feels a bit older.31300:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,000It feels pre digital and it feels fun.31400:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,000It feels light.31500:16:34,000 --> 00:16:39,000And it's definitely not a sitcom because there's no like laugh track or anything.31600:16:39,000 --> 00:16:45,000But for some reason, just like being in like some being in a girl's apartment and they're31700:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,000getting ready for something like that feels like sitcom me, you know, and you just love31800:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,000that scenario.31900:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000Like you'll love like that friendship.32000:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000Like there's fun banter.32100:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,000That's so interesting that you wanted to go back to like you just wanted something pure,32200:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000just something pure comedy.32300:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000Would you say that's true?32400:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,000It's pure.32500:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000Yeah.32600:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000Yeah.32700:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,000Yeah.32800:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,000You mentioned the 90s.32900:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,000It's funny.33000:17:07,000 --> 00:17:16,000When I wrote the script and when we were shooting, I just kept saying, talk faster, talk faster.33100:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,000I wanted it to be very fast.33200:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,000And that would be something I really love.33300:17:24,000 --> 00:17:29,000I love the screwball comedies of the 1930s.33400:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,000So, so yes, I love some of those things from the 90s.33500:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,000Things like, I mean, heavyweights from the mid 90s with Ben Stiller, a young Ben Stiller.33600:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,000That's a wonderful comedy film that I love.33700:17:41,000 --> 00:17:46,000And it has some of that same, I mean, the music from from that would be kind of similar33800:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,000to the music in our film.33900:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000And we had a great score in it.34000:17:50,000 --> 00:17:59,000But I really, really love things like if you may have never seen it, but you should.34100:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,000Bringing up Baby, fantastic movie with Cary Grant.34200:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,000One of the great screwball comedies.34300:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,000If there's a movie that you should see, you should see that.34400:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000I also Preston Sturges is another one.34500:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000Bringing up Baby.34600:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,000It's in the Criterion collection.34700:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000So you have to watch it.34800:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000Right.34900:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,000But it's a fantastic movie.35000:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,000Bringing up Baby.35100:18:21,000 --> 00:18:27,000And that's one of those I saw when I was probably six or seven.35200:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,000This one movie my mom really liked.35300:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000There are several in that era.35400:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,000Cary Grant made a few of them.35500:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,000The Awful Truth is another one.35600:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000There is another one.35700:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000My Man Godfrey.35800:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,000That was not Cary Grant.35900:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000That's Carol Lombard.36000:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,000And I forget what the actor's name.36100:18:45,000 --> 00:18:51,000Somebody who's listening would know and is probably yelling at me for not knowing.36200:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000But that's a great one because that's the mid-30s and that was right in the middle of the Depression.36300:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,000All of these movies were.36400:18:57,000 --> 00:19:06,000And that one especially talked about the sadness of many people during the Depression because it was a sad time.36500:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,000I mean people were basically dying in the street.36600:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000They didn't have any food.36700:19:11,000 --> 00:19:18,000And so they would go see these movies and they were just very light and happy and very, very fast.36800:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,000The dialogue was just bang, bang, bang.36900:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,000And it doesn't let up.37000:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,000Another one from that era, Preston Sturges, another great director.37100:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,000The Coen Brothers.37200:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000You know the Coen Brothers, I assume, Cole.37300:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,000I love them.37400:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000Yeah.37500:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,000So the Coen Brothers.37600:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,000I believe one of their favorite filmmakers is Preston Sturges.37700:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,000And he was the 30s and 40s.37800:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000He did several.37900:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,000Probably the most famous one is Sullivan's Travels.38000:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,000I think that was 1940 or 1941.38100:19:48,000 --> 00:19:58,000But it's about a filmmaker who decides that he doesn't want to make the comedies that he is associated with.38200:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,000He wants to make a serious piece about real men.38300:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,000But he doesn't know real men because he's just a Hollywood type who lives in a giant mansion with a big pool.38400:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000And so he needs to go out and find what the common men are doing.38500:20:09,000 --> 00:20:18,000So he leaves Hollywood and basically goes to the middle of the country and tries to find what the common man is doing.38600:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,000And that's the premise of the movie.38700:20:20,000 --> 00:20:26,000The actress is Veronica Lake, who she was a very famous actress at that time.38800:20:26,000 --> 00:20:31,000And that one, the movie that he is trying to make, you'll know the title.38900:20:31,000 --> 00:20:38,000The film that the director in the movie Sullivan's Travels wants to make is called Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?39000:20:38,000 --> 00:20:43,000Which then the Coen brothers use that title for a film of their own.39100:20:43,000 --> 00:20:50,000Which has that same kind of thing, that very snappy, fast paced dialogue, which I just love.39200:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,000I think that stuff is so good.39300:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,000So I'm really being long-winded here.39400:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,000It's okay.39500:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000You can talk for however long you want.39600:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,000You can stop whenever you want.39700:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000It's totally cool, dude.39800:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,000Okay.39900:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,000Well, I should let you ask more questions instead of just babbling.40000:21:05,000 --> 00:21:11,000But anyway, when we were shooting, I just kept saying, you know, it's okay.40100:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000You can talk fast.40200:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,000And if you don't talk faster, I'm going to cut some of this out anyway so that it feels like we're just right on top of each other.40300:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000That was the feel of it.40400:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,000Now, not every comedy can do that.40500:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000I mean, sometimes you watch The Office.40600:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000I mean, it's kind of the opposite.40700:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,000You need those spaces.40800:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,000You need that space to breathe.40900:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000Yeah, silence can be so funny.41000:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,000Silence can be one of the funniest moments in the entire movie.41100:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000Yeah, absolutely.41200:21:35,000 --> 00:21:41,000But sometimes, you know, just being able to be so fast that people are having to be like, wait, did I catch it?41300:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000And then have four more things.41400:21:43,000 --> 00:21:51,000And I think that can be really genius.41500:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,000I'm not saying that what I did was genius by any stretch of the imagination.41600:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000But I love that style.41700:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,000The Marx Brothers were the same way.41800:21:58,000 --> 00:22:05,000I mean, the Marx Brothers would just bang, bang, bang, throw so many things at you so fast.41900:22:05,000 --> 00:22:12,000I can't imagine if you go back, I would say Duck Soup is my favorite Marx Brothers movie.42000:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,000A Night at the Opera is also probably a close second.42100:22:15,000 --> 00:22:24,000The Marx Brothers, the genius of their work is that Groucho will sit there and say the funniest things.42200:22:24,000 --> 00:22:29,000He has these brilliant one liners, one after another.42300:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000And then, so he's doing this.42400:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,000He's giving you the verbal comedy.42500:22:34,000 --> 00:22:40,000And then Harpo and Chico, they are going to give you the pratfalls.42600:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,000And they're going to do the physical comedy.42700:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000So it does both of those things.42800:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,000And it balances it so well.42900:22:48,000 --> 00:22:56,000When they would shoot their films, one of the ways that they were so ingenious is that they would take their show.43000:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,000They would do a live performance basically of the film on the road.43100:23:00,000 --> 00:23:10,000They would go to theaters, stages, and they would perform a version of the film, of the routines in the film,43200:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,000so that they knew when the audience would laugh.43300:23:13,000 --> 00:23:18,000So that then when they filmed it, they would know we need to pause here and pause here for the laughter,43400:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,000so people don't miss the next jokes.43500:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,000That is ingenious.43600:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,000And it makes the films that much better because you don't miss anything.43700:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000Yeah, I love it when the movie is like theater.43800:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,000It's sort of almost how, sometimes Avengers, they have moments where people cheer.43900:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,000And they go through the testing process for that movie.44000:23:38,000 --> 00:23:44,000And they figure out this moment with three Spider-Mens feels like people are going to cheer.44100:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,000So let's make sure there's a bit more of a blank stare right there.44200:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,000Yeah, testing can be very important for sure.44300:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,000How long did it take you to write this?44400:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,000I probably wrote it in a day or two.44500:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,000I mean, it was only 15 pages maybe.44600:24:03,000 --> 00:24:10,000So I wrote my first draft of it in a day or two.44700:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000I just had to get it out.44800:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,000So put us in the moment. Is this summer 2020?44900:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000Or is it right into lockdowns?45000:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,000When is this in 2020?45100:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,000That's a great question.45200:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,000It's funny. You go back.45300:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,000I love watching the DVD commentaries.45400:24:30,000 --> 00:24:35,000And there are these movies and I've seen Ghostbusters like 50 times.45500:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,000And the people on the commentary track will be like, I don't remember this part.45600:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000I'm like, how do you not remember?45700:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,000But anyway, I say that to say I don't remember exactly when it was.45800:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,000It was in 2020.45900:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,000I would say that we probably were in lockdown when I wrote it.46000:24:56,000 --> 00:25:02,000It would make sense based on the subject matter of people trying to leave their house.46100:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000Why I would write that.46200:25:04,000 --> 00:25:10,000But yeah, when we did the film screening, they had a little Q&A.46300:25:10,000 --> 00:25:19,000And the nice Q&A person, whatever you call those people, said, well, what was your process?46400:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000And why did you write this? When did you write this?46500:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000And I said, oh, it was COVID.46600:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000And I mean, that's why I don't remember.46700:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,000I think it was when we first locked down.46800:25:31,000 --> 00:25:37,000And I was looking for something that like, OK, what's a good scenario?46900:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,000And what's something that can be funny?47000:25:40,000 --> 00:25:52,000And for me, I was thinking about I have yet to write something without having somebody in mind.47100:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000I'm giving you a double negative.47200:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000I always write something with somebody in mind.47300:25:56,000 --> 00:26:07,000So I had people that I was thinking it would be funny if this person said this or it would be funny if this person did this.47400:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000And so that was kind of the process of that.47500:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000I had in my head three or four people.47600:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,000I have four. I guess there are four parts, really.47700:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,000I have four people.47800:26:19,000 --> 00:26:26,000And I said, OK, I think it would be funny if this person was doing this and then, et cetera, et cetera.47900:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000And that was kind of the process.48000:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000And I just banged it out pretty quick.48100:26:30,000 --> 00:26:38,000And then I sent it to the credited co-writer on the script, Ben Thompson, co-wrote.48200:26:38,000 --> 00:26:47,000I sent it to him and he took a second pass at it, which was helpful because he kind of punched out a few of the jokes and sped it up a little bit.48300:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,000And it really helped it be cohesive.48400:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000And that was kind of the process.48500:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000That's so funny because I had him do the exact same thing with my script.48600:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,000That's funny that we both went to him.48700:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,000Maybe he has a future as a script doctor, I guess.48800:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,000I mean, dude, I think he does. He's a good writer.48900:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,000Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. I mean, the script came out very well.49000:27:09,000 --> 00:27:24,000Yeah. So with that process being handled, was that the first time you had written a script or were you like, was this the first time that you had actually committed to doing a short film that you had written or have you done this before?49100:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,000No, I have. I have done a few.49200:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,000I did a couple.49300:27:32,000 --> 00:27:39,000Like I had a couple that I did in student festivals when I was in college.49400:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,000I did a short film with the 48 hour film festival where they give you a topic.49500:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,000This is a few years ago. They give you a topic.49600:27:48,000 --> 00:27:58,000I can't remember exactly. They give you a topic or something and then you have 48 hours to write a script and include this thing.49700:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000And so you do it in two days.49800:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,000I did that once. That was kind of interesting.49900:28:05,000 --> 00:28:15,000I don't think this was the first one that I shot when we were in LA, when my wife and I were living in LA, I think.50000:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000That's something that I had written at least.50100:28:17,000 --> 00:28:31,000I have a tendency to just write and write and then go back and write and go back. I'm not quite sure. As same with evidence on when I'm cutting it.50200:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,000I mean, I'll just sit there and cut on a little more, a little more until finally I say, OK, I'm done.50300:28:35,000 --> 00:28:45,000So what ended up happening with that, what sped the process up, is I wrote the first pass, the first draft.50400:28:45,000 --> 00:28:53,000I gave it to Ben. Ben put together, he wrote the second draft or punched it up, however you look at it.50500:28:53,000 --> 00:29:00,000And then we had a conversation where we kind of said, OK, I had a couple of things.50600:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,000I was like, well, I want to keep this. He said, well, this, this and this.50700:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,000So we kind of put together on that and we came up with what would be the final, the final, final.50800:29:08,000 --> 00:29:19,000And then I, I did what I tend to do a lot of times and I was busy with other things and Ben texted me and said, when are we going to do this?50900:29:19,000 --> 00:29:29,000And I said, well, you know, since the last time I talked to you two weeks ago, I'm I think I'm going to be moving.51000:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,000So we have like three weeks.51100:29:33,000 --> 00:29:38,000What? I forgot about that. I forgot.51200:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,000Wow, I totally forgot we had to make this because you were moving.51300:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000Wow, that's that's a deadline.51400:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,000We lose the location.51500:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000Yeah, we filmed it in your place.51600:29:51,000 --> 00:30:06,000Yeah, film filmed it. Our apartment that we were living in at the time and we had a Friday and a Saturday that my lovely wife gave me those two days and said, you can shoot on those days and I won't bother you.51700:30:06,000 --> 00:30:13,000And I'll just go by the pool and, you know, take some rays and and get in your way.51800:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,000And then after that, you'll have to get back to packing boxes.51900:30:17,000 --> 00:30:24,000Yeah, dude, you worked on that day. I remember filming with you like I was because I was doing I think I might have been doing snacks and lights or something.52000:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,000I was doing I was doing something with the stunts.52100:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000You were Jack. You're Jack of all trades.52200:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,000I'm trying to man. I remember working for 12 hours for you unpaid.52300:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000Why am I not striking?52400:30:38,000 --> 00:30:49,000Yeah. What was it really that long? Was it I could somebody asked me that recently and I really couldn't remember how long the days were the first day was long.52500:30:49,000 --> 00:30:56,000I mean, when you're going. Yeah. Yeah. I know there were long days. We had a lot of we had a lot of shots we had to get.52600:30:56,000 --> 00:31:06,000No, we worked super hard. That was like my first time like really just like going for it. I was like, damn, like Andrew is a machine. He's really just pumping this out.52700:31:06,000 --> 00:31:18,000Well, you know, the one thing is and I lied to you just a second ago, it was not the first thing that I shot.52800:31:18,000 --> 00:31:28,000I shot another short maybe six months before that that I cut.52900:31:28,000 --> 00:31:36,000But it was a totally different not a comedy. It was a science fiction horror short film.53000:31:36,000 --> 00:31:43,000And I don't think I ever entered it in any festivals. I cut it and I thought, you know, this is good.53100:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,000It's fine. But I don't think I ever entered it in some festivals. Maybe I should.53200:31:48,000 --> 00:31:55,000But it was totally different. I mean, I do like to kind of not stay in the same lane.53300:31:55,000 --> 00:32:01,000So, I mean, I'm totally going off on the side sidebar.53400:32:01,000 --> 00:32:10,000But yeah, so so yeah, so that why did I think of that? You said something about oh, oh, oh, oh, I know why.53500:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,000Yeah, cut all cut all this out. Make me sound intelligent. Don't worry about that, bro.53600:32:15,000 --> 00:32:27,000I will. I got you, bro. When when you are directing, I think at least in my opinion, this is just my opinion.53700:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,000I'm not I'm not an expert. I'm still trying to figure things out.53800:32:31,000 --> 00:32:41,000But I think one of the most important things is that you have to be very aware of what you want.53900:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,000You can't waste any time. You need to know and be decisive on things.54000:32:47,000 --> 00:32:58,000And if you even if you don't know, you have to somewhat fake it and fake it by saying, well, you know, I had a couple of things.54100:32:58,000 --> 00:33:07,000But what do you think? You know, but but it's good to get input from people, but you can't have everybody trying to run the asylum.54200:33:07,000 --> 00:33:15,000So for me, I really like to try and prepare so that we're not wasting time.54300:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,000So I I definitely keep my shot list and that can change.54400:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,000That's the best move to take. I mean, because only the best people only the best movies are made by planning it out.54500:33:25,000 --> 00:33:32,000You know, like it's pretty rare when you have a Martin Scorsese or Steven Spielberg who can just like improvise a shot.54600:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,000They can just like figure it out and then like their whole crew is all good. Like Chris Nolan.54700:33:37,000 --> 00:33:44,000Well, it plans out every shot. I don't know about Scorsese. I know Spielberg storyboards everything very well.54800:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,000I mean, Hitchcock did the same. I mean, you definitely I think have to.54900:33:48,000 --> 00:33:56,000I'm not a great artist. I would love to meet a wonderful storyboard artist who I could just dictate to.55000:33:56,000 --> 00:34:06,000But I mean, I do my stick figures and kind of have an idea of, OK, this is this is this shot and go through.55100:34:06,000 --> 00:34:15,000I want to know. And so when we were shooting, I mean, I talked ahead of time and we remember we had a couple of Zoom calls.55200:34:15,000 --> 00:34:25,000All the actors were on and we kind of went through. And then I made sure my cinematographer was on those calls.55300:34:25,000 --> 00:34:33,000I wanted to go through with her and make sure that we knew kind of shot wise what I was kind of wanting to do.55400:34:33,000 --> 00:34:39,000And of course, on the day, I mean, things can change and some of the great stuff in there, especially with comedy,55500:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,000if you have funny people, it's going to be improvised to some degree.55600:34:44,000 --> 00:34:52,000I mean, people can change lines up. That's fine. As long as you give me one word as written.55700:34:52,000 --> 00:35:01,000But I do think that having an idea, especially of where you want to put the camera, how you want certain shots to look,55800:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000are they going to be long takes or are you going to have fast cuts?55900:35:03,000 --> 00:35:11,000I mean, that kind of stuff, you have to know that ahead of time or you're just going to be wasting time and it's not going to come out the way it's supposed to.56000:35:11,000 --> 00:35:21,000If you can't figure out some way of getting some of the stuff that's in your head communicated to the people who are there,56100:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000it's just going to be a gobbledygook mess. It's not going to be anything.56200:35:24,000 --> 00:35:33,000And if you don't know what's in your head and you don't have any idea, you might need to find somebody else to man the ship.56300:35:33,000 --> 00:35:40,000I mean, you have to know something or it's just not going to come out very good.56400:35:40,000 --> 00:35:57,000I would just I really try my hardest because I'm not a I'm not by nature a detailed and one, two, three, A plus B plus C plus D kind of person.56500:35:57,000 --> 00:36:10,000So I have to train myself to do that just so that it is regimented when you get on the day so that you kind of know what your what your shots are going to be.56600:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,000How are you feeling like during filming? Like what was that like for you?56700:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000Like in your head and emotionally, were you ready?56800:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000Like did you feel like are you usually confident when filming?56900:36:21,000 --> 00:36:30,000Because a lot of times when I film, like I am like sometimes I get like deathly nervous and other times I'm like barely in my head.57000:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,000Like I'm just like I feel like I'm like not even present.57100:36:35,000 --> 00:36:41,000I go through like back and forth like how are you during filming?57200:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000I mean, during filming, I don't.57300:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,000This is another thing somebody when we did the Q&A at this festival, they asked, well, what was the worst thing that happened on?57400:36:51,000 --> 00:37:00,000I don't really remember a lot of specific feelings and things that happened on those days.57500:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000I mean, I can remember having to make a lot of critical decisions.57600:37:02,000 --> 00:37:09,000I mean, critical, not like nobody was having a heart attack and I had to give CPR or anything like that.57700:37:09,000 --> 00:37:21,000But I mean, I don't remember feeling nervous, especially because I knew I had two days of filming.57800:37:21,000 --> 00:37:29,000So we shot a good chunk on the first day and I was able to go and actually look at look at the dailies.57900:37:29,000 --> 00:37:38,000I mean, if it was a single day shoot, I think that would be more stressful simply because58000:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,000if something is messed up, you can't go back.58100:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,000That's it.58200:37:43,000 --> 00:37:49,000I mean, unless you call a call literal reshoot and have to bring people back in.58300:37:49,000 --> 00:37:57,000If you have it scheduled in to have another day, then you can always go back and fix something if you need to.58400:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,000I mean, you don't want to, but it is possible if something just comes out totally wrong.58500:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000You have all the actors coming back again.58600:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000So I don't really remember feeling stressed.58700:38:07,000 --> 00:38:14,000I mean, I think I was listening to a podcast with Jason Reitman.58800:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,000I don't remember who he was talking to.58900:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,000It was a podcast Jason Reitman was on being interviewed.59000:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,000And they asked him about when he was directing different emotions he feels.59100:38:28,000 --> 00:38:40,000And he said, you know, I've never looked at my first my assembly or my rough cut, my first blush at this thing that I've created.59200:38:40,000 --> 00:38:48,000I've never looked at that first blush and not had the feeling, oh, no, I'm a failure.59300:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,000I can't do anything.59400:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000They're never going to hire me again.59500:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,000This is awful.59600:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,000And I can identify with that.59700:38:54,000 --> 00:39:13,000I mean, I think when you look at all the footage for me, when I look at all the footage, that's the time that I get the most nervous because you think, OK, can I take this, this large gobbledygook of people talking and saying cut and then another version of it, another angle?59800:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000Can I put that all together?59900:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,000And is it going to cut together?60000:39:17,000 --> 00:39:23,000That's when I that's when I'm nervous because you think it's this isn't right.60100:39:23,000 --> 00:39:32,000This is wrong. And now, of course, you just have to calm down and start cutting on it and whittling it away until it finally gets close to what you resemble in your head.60200:39:32,000 --> 00:39:38,000But I don't ever remember, at least on this shoot, I don't remember being nervous.60300:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,000You know, I shot a feature length documentary.60400:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000You have seen, right, Cole?60500:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,000I believe you showed us most of it.60600:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,000Yeah, you showed us it.60700:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,000You did show us it.60800:39:51,000 --> 00:39:57,000Yeah. So I shot a feature length documentary called From Wreck to Rambling.60900:39:57,000 --> 00:40:07,000And that had I had some nerves on that simply because I went and I was interviewing people.61000:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000They were taking their time.61100:40:09,000 --> 00:40:18,000And these were some of these people were kind of well known people, you know, and they're they are agreeing to let me come into their house or whatever.61200:40:18,000 --> 00:40:33,000And I'm having to I'm shooting them and asking questions that can be really nervous because you feel like it has to go right because you don't you're a fraud.61300:40:33,000 --> 00:40:45,000At that point, if you have to call the person and say, hey, remember, I told you I was this like professional filmmaker and you let me come into your house and be in my documentary.61400:40:45,000 --> 00:40:51,000But oops, I left the lens cap on like you don't want to do that because then you're a fraud.61500:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,000So that can be pretty daunting.61600:40:54,000 --> 00:41:14,000And I did have I had an experience one time when I was shooting that I went and did an interview and they had a lav mic or, you know, a lapel mic, a mic that was, you know, put onto their collar.61700:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,000And I got rid of this microphone after this happened.61800:41:19,000 --> 00:41:37,000But it was it was a wire and it ran up the gentleman's shirt and on like in his pocket, he had the little pack and the pack had a single like watch battery, not like a double a battery where you can clearly see the plus and minus.61900:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000It was a little watch battery.62000:41:39,000 --> 00:41:45,000And I was a dumb dumb and I put the watch battery in upside down.62100:41:45,000 --> 00:41:51,000Well, you would think that if you put the watch battery in upside down, the microphone will not work.62200:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000But that was not the case.62300:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000It would work.62400:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,000It did work.62500:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,000It just put a ton of feedback into the mic.62600:41:59,000 --> 00:42:09,000So we were getting I could I was getting a bar like it looked like it was getting something.62700:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,000And I want to say maybe I had left my headphones or I was not actually I don't know.62800:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000I did something wrong anyway.62900:42:15,000 --> 00:42:30,000So I got the audio back and it was just you just couldn't you could hear it and it sounded like it was he was in like an airport with like it was always awful.63000:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,000I mean, I I thought I was going to vomit.63100:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,000It was terrible.63200:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,000And so I was like, OK, can I fix it?63300:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,000And I spent some time working on the audio like I sent it to a couple of people.63400:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,000Do you think this is salvageable nowadays?63500:42:47,000 --> 00:42:54,000I mean, with the I've heard about there's a generators that can repair unrepairable audio.63600:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,000So maybe now it would be fine.63700:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,000I don't know.63800:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,000I mean, that do the works to the stuff is real.63900:43:00,000 --> 00:43:09,000Like the you can totally use a eye to do your storyboards like your vision with an artist and just dictating what you want.64000:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000That's literally the AI.64100:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,000So you should definitely like dive into that.64200:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000Well, I didn't have that then.64300:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,000So I couldn't go back and get this audio.64400:43:18,000 --> 00:43:28,000So I had to call the guy and say, hey, and what I don't remember what I said exactly.64500:43:28,000 --> 00:43:35,000But I think it was something along the lines of in the in in your your interview.64600:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,000And it was wonderful.64700:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,000You did a great job.64800:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,000This is perfect.64900:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,000It's everything that I wanted.65000:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000You are phenomenal, but I didn't realize it.65100:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000But the battery died in the middle of the audio.65200:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,000And so I'm missing a little bit.65300:43:48,000 --> 00:43:54,000If I could just come back to your house just for a few minutes and just get that last couple of questions.65400:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,000Now, that's not true.65500:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,000I had to get all of it.65600:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000But I knew once I got him talking, it would be OK.65700:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,000So I had to go back with my tail between my legs and interview the guy again.65800:44:04,000 --> 00:44:16,000But it it actually worked out really well because the gentleman I took all the answers of the he gave and I just cut it in.65900:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,000I said, this is all we're going to cover.66000:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,000And so we'll ask you these questions and just give me some answers kind of like that.66100:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,000It's like, well, I can't say exactly what I said.66200:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,000Like, you don't have to.66300:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,000But the good part of it was he looked at the footage.66400:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,000He's like, boy, looks like I've lost about 50 pounds since we did that interview.66500:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000So it worked out for everybody.66600:44:32,000 --> 00:44:38,000He had gone on a diet and he had lost some weight and he felt like more comfortable in his own skin.66700:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,000And so maybe it was fate.66800:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,000I think it always is fate, dude.66900:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000Like the mistake.67000:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000Like what's Bob Ross?67100:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,000Happy little mistake.67200:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000You know, like just lean into that.67300:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,000Like, I totally believe in that philosophy.67400:44:52,000 --> 00:45:01,000Like even if something like physically like like your issue is a technical issue and everyone can objectively say like, yeah, like that's like the other way.67500:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000Like the audio isn't good.67600:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,000Like this is unusable.67700:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,000But then it leads to a better thing.67800:45:07,000 --> 00:45:13,000Like that's so that's so real in the process of a better thing at that point.67900:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,000Yeah, that's that's so cool, dude.68000:45:18,000 --> 00:45:24,000Now, when it came to the editing, when you're nervous, what's your process when with editing?68100:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,000Do you have a certain time in the day?68200:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,000Are you doing it every day at a certain time?68300:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,000Is it just on your free time?68400:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,000Is it just on the weekends?68500:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,000How are you approaching the editing?68600:45:33,000 --> 00:45:40,000And what were like were there any like specific problems that you're trying to solve with the editing of it?68700:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,000I don't know.68800:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,000There are problems I was trying to solve.68900:45:44,000 --> 00:45:50,000You know, I very much enjoy the editing process.69000:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000I mean, that's where the movie is made.69100:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,000Really?69200:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,000The the great John Hughes, who was a prolific writer.69300:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,000I mean, he really was a writer before anything else.69400:46:02,000 --> 00:46:08,000Wrote Ferris Bueller in like four days or something, which I can't even wrap my head around that.69500:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,000Yeah, he wrote Breakfast Club in like a weekend.69600:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,000Wrote the Breakfast Club on the weekend, wrote Plane, Strains, and Automobiles in a week.69700:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,000I mean, yeah.69800:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,000And yeah, that's it's impossible.69900:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,000But he did it repeatedly with fantastic movies.70000:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,000He would do one draft and that was it.70100:46:24,000 --> 00:46:31,000But he said in interviews, he was like, well, really, I direct, but I don't like doing it.70200:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,000I think the movie is made when you actually cut it together.70300:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,000That's that's where the movie is made.70400:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,000So to me, the editing is is I think that's fun.70500:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,000I could do that for hours and hours and hours.70600:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,000And I sometimes will.70700:46:45,000 --> 00:46:53,000I mean, because you just can kind of pick and choose things and try and figure out, well, does this cut work better here?70800:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,000You know, there are always going to be problems.70900:46:58,000 --> 00:47:04,000I think I probably forced myself to forget those.71000:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,000And now that I look back on it, it was easy.71100:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000It was perfect. Wonderful.71200:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,000But I think there are always problems.71300:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,000And you have to try and think, OK, there's got to be a solution here.71400:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,000And in that case, when we were shooting a night out, there had to be a solution in the edit.71500:47:21,000 --> 00:47:26,000Because we couldn't go back to the location.71600:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,000You know, that's why, again, it goes back to making sure that you're very prepared.71700:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,000I mean, so when we were shooting, I had a list on our script.71800:47:33,000 --> 00:47:40,000And I believe that was one of the things that that I was having you do is go and be like, OK, we got this one.71900:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,000We got then highlighting things off and then going back and making sure, OK, we got this particular thing.72000:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,000We got this particular thing because I knew we wouldn't have the location again.72100:47:49,000 --> 00:47:58,000When I was going to cut the film, whatever we had in the can, that was what we had.72200:47:58,000 --> 00:48:09,000So I think when we were cutting, there was one part at the beginning where I didn't.72300:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,000I didn't have a cut away or something, which I always liked.72400:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,000You have to have you have to have coverage. You have to have good coverage.72500:48:17,000 --> 00:48:29,000I was missing something. So I ended up having to cut like three lines of dialogue to get to where I had a cut away that would work with what was there.72600:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,000And it ended up really helping the film. I thought it moved things faster.72700:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,000So sometimes those things like you're saying, happy accidents.72800:48:35,000 --> 00:48:43,000I think when you're cutting, you get to look at the film and see how it's progressing and you can kind of feel it in your head.72900:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,000I don't have a specific time of day.73000:48:46,000 --> 00:48:57,000I just like to sit down and I mean, I'll start and I like to do it often because if you if you get away from it, there are two there are two sides of it.73100:48:57,000 --> 00:49:10,000And this is why a lot of times a lot of people need an editor, especially if you have a deadline, you really need an editor to work with because you start looking at it so much73200:49:10,000 --> 00:49:17,000that you become kind of numb to feelings in in the on the screen.73300:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000You know, you don't really feel the laughs as much.73400:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,000You don't really know because you've seen it so many times you become numb to it.73500:49:24,000 --> 00:49:34,000So for me, when I'm I'm a control freak and I didn't have an editor working with me,73600:49:34,000 --> 00:49:43,000my my process is I cut on it, I get to a point where I feel like this is good, this works.73700:49:43,000 --> 00:49:51,000And then I kind of leave it for about two weeks and I just won't look at it because I mean, I didn't have a deadline.73800:49:51,000 --> 00:49:58,000Now, if I was working with a tight deadline, I would have to work with an editor who could be a sounding board.73900:49:58,000 --> 00:50:05,000And that was kind of my own sounding board because I just would wait long enough to where I could look at it again.74000:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,000And it was like seeing it for the first time.74100:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,000You know, you you haven't laughed at it for a while.74200:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,000So it's a new it's a new laugh.74300:50:15,000 --> 00:50:24,000So that's kind of I guess that is my process is that I'll cut on it and get to a point where I feel like a certain scene works or whatever.74400:50:24,000 --> 00:50:32,000And then I'll leave it and not look at it for a while, go back, see if I feel the same way and then see what needs to change.74500:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,000And so then I'll just do that on each sequence.74600:50:36,000 --> 00:50:42,000And I it's the movie when we the first assembly, I guess, was probably about 15.74700:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,000I got it down to about 11, I think.74800:50:45,000 --> 00:50:52,000So I cut about I mean, there's not a lot when you have a 90 minute movie cutting five minutes might not be a whole lot.74900:50:52,000 --> 00:50:59,000But when you have 15 cutting for four or five is it's a good amount, but it needed to speed up some.75000:50:59,000 --> 00:51:07,000And so as I went through, I would keep different sequences.75100:51:07,000 --> 00:51:15,000So I probably had it maybe six different sequences in the timeline.75200:51:15,000 --> 00:51:23,000So I would cut each sequence as its own individual entity, if that makes sense.75300:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,000And then go from one to the next.75400:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000Does does the sound effects or music affect the editing at all?75500:51:29,000 --> 00:51:37,000Like, what was your process with getting the music and getting the certain sounds that you were really like visualizing?75600:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,000Yeah, it does.75700:51:41,000 --> 00:51:50,000Now, with the with the music who, Cole, you recommended the great composer that we use, Joey Fravola.75800:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,000Yeah, Joey did a great job with it.75900:51:53,000 --> 00:52:01,000And and you know, I mean, he makes it the music makes it feel brisk.76000:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,000Right. That's the idea.76100:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000And if you don't have it, it's going to be slower.76200:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,000That's just the way it is.76300:52:06,000 --> 00:52:16,000But with it, I had pretty much locked the cut when I turned it over to him to score.76400:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,000I'm pretty sure I had locked it.76500:52:19,000 --> 00:52:29,000But I had some I had a few temp spots, temp music, you know, just this placeholder music of kind of what you're feeling.76600:52:29,000 --> 00:52:50,000And I realized after he gave me the first his first blush of of the of the music that I probably should have given more guidance, I guess, because there are points where I just like I don't really know what this should feel like.76700:52:50,000 --> 00:52:56,000I kind of I guess I might have known, but I just couldn't I couldn't place it.76800:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,000And so there were like there were parts of it when he first gave me the music.76900:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,000I'm like, yep, that's right.77000:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,000That's right. And there are a couple parts of it.77100:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,000It's not where I'm thinking.77200:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,000And so then I went back after hearing what he had put down.77300:53:08,000 --> 00:53:14,000Then I went back and I took some temp music because then I could kind of hear it in my head.77400:53:14,000 --> 00:53:24,000And then he kind of molded off of what I had done and put that in sound effects are are for me go.77500:53:24,000 --> 00:53:43,000And in this instance, at least they went in a lot earlier because I thought some of the laughs come from, you know, pills falling on the ground or hitting a head on a on the floor.77600:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,000Those kinds of things are important.77700:53:44,000 --> 00:53:50,000And you can't you can't really feel a specific scene out unless you have it.77800:53:50,000 --> 00:54:06,000There was one point in the movie when Ben's character is laying on the ground and one of the girls kind of pulls his head up and then his head falls on the ground.77900:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000And they're talking this whole time.78000:54:09,000 --> 00:54:14,000And I remember watching it and I kept thinking, gosh, this is so slow.78100:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,000This doesn't work.78200:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,000This doesn't work.78300:54:18,000 --> 00:54:25,000And then I asked Ben, I said, can you record a couple of kind of grunts?78400:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,000Just give me just go to your computer.78500:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,000Give me some grunts.78600:54:29,000 --> 00:54:36,000And adding those little things in made the scene feel faster.78700:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,000Like I watch it now and I don't feel like this is just too slow.78800:54:41,000 --> 00:54:51,000I mean, it's hard to explain, but sometimes the tiny thing like that can can really change the the feel and the flow of the scene.78900:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,000Yeah, I felt the same way, too.79000:54:53,000 --> 00:54:59,000So when Joey did the music for my short film, that's when I realized the power of the musician.79100:54:59,000 --> 00:55:10,000Really, it felt like whenever I watched a dry edit without any music of my thing, like I hated it.79200:55:10,000 --> 00:55:16,000And but as soon as I heard like as soon as I heard some music, I started to like feel the emotion.79300:55:16,000 --> 00:55:22,000I started to feel I could almost feel my vision of what I wanted to accomplish.79400:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,000Did that happen for you at all?79500:55:24,000 --> 00:55:29,000Like, did it seem to come together for you?79600:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000Yeah, I think so.79700:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,000I think that the music definitely is very important.79800:55:36,000 --> 00:55:43,000I mean, I know when John Carpenter put his first cut together of the movie Halloween,79900:55:43,000 --> 00:55:55,000which is kind of a this maverick, groundbreaking horror film, the producer said, this isn't scary.80000:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,000I don't understand.80100:55:56,000 --> 00:56:02,000And John Carpenter said, well, just wait till the music is there.80200:56:02,000 --> 00:56:09,000John Carpenter composed his own music in that instance, he composed the music.80300:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,000Iconic, isn't it?80400:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,000Yeah, that is iconic.80500:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,000And the producer said, my bad, I get it now.80600:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,000It's terrifying.80700:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,000We can we can release this movie.80800:56:20,000 --> 00:56:28,000So, I mean, music, especially for genres, comedy and horror and science fiction, those things is very important.80900:56:28,000 --> 00:56:35,000I think it is for all things, really, but I think for those, especially it can be and sometimes less can be more.81000:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,000It just depends on the piece, really.81100:56:39,000 --> 00:56:44,000And I do think the music definitely helped it come together.81200:56:44,000 --> 00:56:50,000I mean, it gives it kind of a bow so that it feels like a real thing.81300:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,000So when did you finish it?81400:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,000When was this like completed and when did you put it in the film festival?81500:56:56,000 --> 00:57:03,000Sometime in sometime in like late 2022, I guess.81600:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,000I'm a cheapskate by nature.81700:57:06,000 --> 00:57:20,000So, you know, when I see these like call for entries, I'm only going to do the one that's like early bird, you know, the cheapest of cheap, you know, because once you once it gets closer to the festival, they start charging you double.81800:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,000You know, so I'm a cheapskate.81900:57:21,000 --> 00:57:26,000So I entered some of these festivals way.82000:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,000I still have a couple.82100:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,000There's one that I entered in like.82200:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,000What are we in now?82300:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,000Like June?82400:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,000I think I entered it in November.82500:57:36,000 --> 00:57:43,000And I when I when you asked me to get on a call, I was like, let me go look at the website again.82600:57:43,000 --> 00:57:50,000I think it's like they will announce the whether or not you've been selected in September.82700:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,000So I was 10 months out.82800:57:51,000 --> 00:58:05,000So, I mean, you know, I started I kind of got to where I felt like it was a good cut and put in festivals sometime late, late 2022.82900:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,000And I put it in a couple of festivals actually earlier.83000:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,000I put in a couple of festivals and it didn't get selected.83100:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,000And I I kind of made a couple changes and things that I was like, I didn't really like that anyway.83200:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000So I don't know if that had any difference.83300:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,000But since I made a couple changes, I'm one for one.83400:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,000So I don't know.83500:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,000What's the process with the festivals?83600:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,000They charge you money.83700:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,000I actually have zero experience with this.83800:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,000Yeah, I mean, I guess some some people would say it's a racket.83900:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,000I don't know.84000:58:38,000 --> 00:58:43,000I mean, essentially, yes, you you pay a fee.84100:58:43,000 --> 00:58:50,000You have to put your film on to most most film short films nowadays.84200:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,000They have a website film freeway dot com.84300:58:53,000 --> 00:58:58,000And that's like this website with thousands of festivals at the top ones.84400:58:58,000 --> 00:59:05,000You know, the Sundance and Con and all the all the big ones.84500:59:05,000 --> 00:59:11,000And they're on there and then all the way down to, you know, Jim Bob's Festival in Boise, Idaho.84600:59:11,000 --> 00:59:21,000You know, like everything is on there and you can choose to enter and then it'll have a call for entries and it gives you a date.84700:59:21,000 --> 00:59:31,000And you have to enter the festival and it would say, OK, if your film is whatever type of film, short film, feature length, documentary, whatever.84800:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,000And then it'll have a price, the cost of entry.84900:59:35,000 --> 00:59:41,000And then as it gets closer to enter the the final submission date, the price goes up.85000:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,000So it's your benefit to enter early.85100:59:43,000 --> 00:59:49,000So it'll be like twenty five bucks and then the thirty five, forty five, fifty five, sixty five, seventy five, whatever.85200:59:49,000 --> 00:59:56,000So, I mean, if you decide, hey, I'm going to enter a hundred festivals, I mean, you're going to spend a lot of money.85300:59:56,000 --> 01:00:06,000And I guess like if you do that and then you go to all the festivals, it would be a good networking opportunity.85401:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,000I met some nice people at the festival that I went to.85501:00:09,000 --> 01:00:15,000I don't know. I mean, I entered a couple of festivals that are like in different cities.85601:00:15,000 --> 01:00:21,000I mean, if it's not close to where I am or in Los Angeles, I'm probably not going to go to the festival.85701:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,000You know, that becomes a huge expense.85801:00:24,000 --> 01:00:31,000Right. You're flying to someplace you don't live and you're having to pay for a hotel.85901:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,000And really what you get is they'll give you tickets to the festival.86001:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,000But that's about it. That's so wild.86101:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,000I didn't know you had to pay to put your movie up.86201:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000That's super interesting. For some reason, I thought it was free.86301:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,000But, you know, I of course, you know, and you, of course, there's people working.86401:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,000Of course, there's of course, of course, they go.86501:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,000Yeah. Well, they say, you know, that somebody's watching it.86601:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,000You're paying for somebody to watch it, then they have to have a venue.86701:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000And I mean, they sell tickets.86801:00:56,000 --> 01:01:06,000But I mean, you know, I mean, how many people are going to festivals weekend and week out?86901:01:06,000 --> 01:01:12,000You know, and just, no, I mean, of course, if it's Sundance, I mean, yes, everybody flocks to Sundance.87001:01:12,000 --> 01:01:21,000But if you're not one of those like top marquee and even if you're one of those huge, very well-known festivals,87101:01:21,000 --> 01:01:29,000some of the shorts still don't get a whole lot of people going to them, I'm sure.87201:01:29,000 --> 01:01:40,000It just depends. But in this festival that I was in, I mean, there were a few that had a few shorts that had like name actors in them.87301:01:40,000 --> 01:01:46,000So, clearly, they spent some money on these short films and then they put them in the festival.87401:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,000So, I mean, people put big money into making a short film that's only going to play in some festivals.87501:01:51,000 --> 01:01:58,000And I guess it's just kind of like depending on how you're looking at it.87601:01:58,000 --> 01:02:04,000Like, is this film supposed to be my calling card to future things?87701:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,000I mean, maybe. I mean, I guess it could be.87801:02:07,000 --> 01:02:16,000But I think that it's a tool. The festival circuit can be a tool to just network with other folks.87901:02:16,000 --> 01:02:22,000Right. Yeah. I've always been confused about the festival stuff because I guess growing up when I was younger,88001:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,000before I moved out to LA, there was this sort of romance whenever I watched any behind the scenes88101:02:28,000 --> 01:02:38,000or anything about the making of or any individual story about, you know, you got Tarantino's Pulp Fiction88201:02:38,000 --> 01:02:42,000when he's at Cain's, you got Paul Thomas Anderson.88301:02:42,000 --> 01:02:49,000You know, you have a bunch of different moments in history where filmmakers sort of debut at the festival.88401:02:49,000 --> 01:02:54,000And it's about networking. It's about like it's totally a stepping stone. It's where you get the money deal.88501:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,000It's, you know, it's where you get distribution.88601:02:59,000 --> 01:03:08,000That's it seems to also be like just an older structure, too. Would you agree?88701:03:08,000 --> 01:03:18,000Um, like it like older, older as in a system that allows a person to get their viewpoint out there.88801:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,000It's a little old, I think.88901:03:21,000 --> 01:03:26,000It. Yeah, I mean, it is the it is.89001:03:26,000 --> 01:03:33,000It is the yes, I understand what you're saying.89101:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,000You know, I guess conversely.89201:03:36,000 --> 01:03:42,000In theory now, I mean, what if if you want to put your movie in a festival,89301:03:42,000 --> 01:03:49,000if you have your movie on YouTube or one of those sites, you're not going to get in a festival.89401:03:49,000 --> 01:03:55,000And you have to keep them not seen to get into a festival.89501:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,000Why is that? And then I.89601:03:59,000 --> 01:04:07,000Well, because the the festivals want to attract people to come to the festival and watch the films.89701:04:07,000 --> 01:04:16,000And if all the movies that are on playing at this festival, you have any person can go watch on YouTube,89801:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,000I mean, it's a guarantee that nobody's going to pay to come to the festival.89901:04:21,000 --> 01:04:30,000So a lot of times like and they will ask you, has this movie played X, Y and Z?90001:04:30,000 --> 01:04:37,000So like probably this one, I don't remember for sure this, but I think it might have asked,90101:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,000has this movie played in Los Angeles?90201:04:39,000 --> 01:04:45,000And the answer would be no, because they want to be the first one so that they know that all the movies playing90301:04:45,000 --> 01:04:52,000are not something some other festival goer might seen down the street in Glendale or in Hollywood or whatever.90401:04:52,000 --> 01:04:58,000So I mean, there are a lot of rules and stipulations that and I don't know.90501:04:58,000 --> 01:05:09,000I mean, I would say if if you are banking your whole life on I'm going to see or I'm going to have play my movie90601:05:09,000 --> 01:05:16,000in this festival and all of a sudden I'm just going to strike it big, I would say that probably isn't going to happen.90701:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,000But I mean, you know, some of the bigger festivals that that's possible.90801:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,000I think it's just a stepping stone in a way to network that that would be how I would look at it.90901:05:23,000 --> 01:05:32,000Because conversely, you could put your film on YouTube and you might get two or three days where you're in some algorithms or whatever.91001:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,000But then I mean, think of all the stuff that's out there.91101:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,000There's just so much content and how do you differentiate?91201:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,000You know, I mean, how how does anybody differentiate?91301:05:42,000 --> 01:05:52,000It's it's it's it's good, I guess, in some ways that there is very low barrier for entry.91401:05:52,000 --> 01:05:59,000But then when there's a low barrier for entry, there's so much dreck that people just look at and they're like,91501:05:59,000 --> 01:06:05,000Well, I'd rather I'd rather go watch Ghostbusters again than try and figure out91601:06:05,000 --> 01:06:15,000which of these 30 movies that I can see on Amazon Prime are worth my time because you just don't know.91701:06:15,000 --> 01:06:25,000Yeah, I think it I think it comes down to to to branding to and to like the artists communication to the audience91801:06:25,000 --> 01:06:35,000because I think Tarantino one reason why Tarantino is so popular is because, you know, he talks like a normal guy talking about movies.91901:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,000He talks like a guy I feel like I could talk to.92001:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,000And it doesn't seem like, of course, he has a giant ego.92101:06:40,000 --> 01:06:48,000But like when he converses with people, when he talks to people about movies, it seems like he really just loves the process.92201:06:48,000 --> 01:06:58,000And one reason why a person might see a Tarantino movie is because they know that Tarantino loves movies and they know the story of him at the video store.92301:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,000And they know the entire arc of Pulp Fiction.92401:07:00,000 --> 01:07:10,000And like it's almost like like we're going to see Tarantino's 10th movie, not because it's oh, hey, it's another movie.92501:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,000And I liked his movies. No, we're seeing it because he's been verbal about his vision for his career.92601:07:15,000 --> 01:07:22,000And we've all sort of bought into this brand of Tarantino retiring after his 10th film.92701:07:22,000 --> 01:07:28,000And, you know, I'm just here waiting for his 10th film and I'm ready to just honor the legend.92801:07:28,000 --> 01:07:34,000And same reason for Scorsese. You might see Scorsese movie because of what he's done in the past.92901:07:34,000 --> 01:07:42,000So I feel like that's why like Ghostbusters still works because it worked at a certain time in a person's past.93001:07:42,000 --> 01:07:47,000And there was a good story around it that as in like a good narrative around it.93101:07:47,000 --> 01:07:54,000You know, people love going going back to the to the behind the scenes and of the old SNL days and Ghostbusters.93201:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,000And that's just, you know, that was just their own vibe.93301:07:57,000 --> 01:08:04,000So that's my take on that because I mean, I think Deneve Elanue is an example of that as well.93401:08:04,000 --> 01:08:10,000You know, this guy, he does Blade Runner 2049 and it flops at the box office.93501:08:10,000 --> 01:08:17,000Everyone sees it, but it's a beautiful movie and it's and it fits within the Blade Runner universe.93601:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,000The filmmaking, the filmmaking goers, you know, the people who love movies, they see it.93701:08:22,000 --> 01:08:29,000And I feel like people do end up seeing the non-popular movie on streaming, but it's rare.93801:08:29,000 --> 01:08:34,000You know, it's got to be special. That's when that's all in the story, too.93901:08:34,000 --> 01:08:40,000I mean, Tarantino has Tarantino has a brand. Scorsese has a brand.94001:08:40,000 --> 01:08:48,000I mean, Disney has a brand. That's that's what it is about now is the brand gets somebody to the theater.94101:08:48,000 --> 01:09:00,000I think that Tarantino has said there can't be another Tarantino at this point because everybody wants to see Tarantino.94201:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,000Not not a different one. It's kind of like I was listening to something recently.94301:09:04,000 --> 01:09:10,000They were talking about the studio greenlight another Matrix, a sequel to the Matrix.94401:09:10,000 --> 01:09:14,000But in nowadays, would they greenlight the Matrix?94501:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,000Probably not. People probably wouldn't go to it.94601:09:18,000 --> 01:09:23,000It's just like why? Why was Joker a big hit a few years ago?94701:09:23,000 --> 01:09:30,000Like Joker is a movie that's not really a Batman Joker.94801:09:30,000 --> 01:09:37,000I mean, it could stand alone. And people in the film community, I heard people complaining about why not just make it its own thing?94901:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,000And it's because people aren't going to go see it.95001:09:39,000 --> 01:09:44,000They're going to go see it if you put the name Joker on it and it becomes a big hit because it's a good movie.95101:09:44,000 --> 01:09:48,000Yeah, that's a great example. Yeah, dude, you got it's on the poster.95201:09:48,000 --> 01:09:54,000Joaquin Phoenix, De Niro, Joker, like those words are already enticing.95301:09:54,000 --> 01:10:01,000And then, you know, the imagery of the smeared paints, you know, and then your understanding of Joaquin's acting career.95401:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,000And I think it's all relevant.95501:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,000You mentioned Blade Runner 2049.95601:10:06,000 --> 01:10:11,000People didn't go see Blade Runner 2049 because people didn't go see the first Blade Runner.95701:10:11,000 --> 01:10:14,000I mean, the first Blade Runner was a flop. I mean, I love Blade Runner.95801:10:14,000 --> 01:10:24,000But I think that there was probably an underestimation of the number of people who are film school nerds wanting to see a sequel to Blade Runner.95901:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,000And that's sort of the brand, isn't it? That's sort of the brand.96001:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,000This like dystopian, futuristic. But the thing never makes money.96101:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,000But it's amazing and beautiful. And that's why we watch it.96201:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,000There are too many people who have never seen the first Blade Runner.96301:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,000You know, there's so many people who have never seen it and they're like, well, I'm not going to go see the new one.96401:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,000And I think that really in some ways you mentioned Ghostbusters. I probably mentioned it first.96501:10:44,000 --> 01:10:49,000But the newest Ghostbuster, there were some people who didn't see it because they didn't see the previous Ghostbusters.96601:10:49,000 --> 01:10:56,000So it's a weird thing of like you're trying to touch into the nostalgia to get people to go to the theater.96701:10:56,000 --> 01:11:04,000But then you're inherently limiting yourself to people who are going to try and buy into the nostalgia.96801:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,000So you're never getting you're segmenting your audience already.96901:11:08,000 --> 01:11:17,000But if you don't segment the audience, then nobody's going to go because people are only going to go see things that they have an affinity for.97001:11:17,000 --> 01:11:22,000It's a very weird. It's a very weird thing.97101:11:22,000 --> 01:11:27,000And I don't know what that means for movies. I mean, I just like watching a lot of movies.97201:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,000So I don't know, but I think I'm in the minority.97301:11:31,000 --> 01:11:38,000I think a lot of people just I'm going to go see the one that everybody does, you know, like Top Gun.97401:11:38,000 --> 01:11:46,000People go see it because everybody else is and it becomes kind of this this wave and everybody's trying to recreate those waves.97501:11:46,000 --> 01:11:54,000And I mean, I think Disney is doing a terrible job of it with some of these Lucasfilm properties.97601:11:54,000 --> 01:12:02,000And they're just trying to create this nostalgia for something that maybe they don't themselves understand why people like it.97701:12:02,000 --> 01:12:11,000I don't know. I mean, it doesn't seem like they of course, this movie hasn't come out yet, but I don't have high hopes for the newest Indiana Jones movie.97801:12:11,000 --> 01:12:21,000It doesn't seem like they understand why people like Indiana Jones based on the early reviews, which are unfavorable.97901:12:21,000 --> 01:12:30,000So, yeah, I don't know. There's a lot of a lot of questions about about movies and where they're headed.98001:12:30,000 --> 01:12:43,000And I don't know there are a lot of answers because there are not many a lot, not many directors working in the industry now who are doing their own thing where they're writing their own script.98101:12:43,000 --> 01:12:47,000I mean, there are a handful of them.98201:12:47,000 --> 01:12:53,000But even JJ Abrams is doing Superman, you know, even Zack Snyder is doing Batman versus Superman.98301:12:53,000 --> 01:12:57,000You know, it's super rare that like it is so rare like Zack Snyder.98401:12:57,000 --> 01:13:04,000It might be one of the only people doing something original in this coming year on Netflix.98501:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,000Do you know about that?98601:13:07,000 --> 01:13:13,000No, I mean, I know. I mean, the ones I think of are Nolan and Tarantino and Wes Anderson.98701:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,000I mean, I'll go see all of their films.98801:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,000Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know.98901:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,000I don't know Zack Snyder's new project.99001:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,000Well, his thing is it's for Netflix.99101:13:23,000 --> 01:13:30,000It was it was he originally wrote it as a Star Wars movie and he pitched it to Lucasfilm, but they never picked it up.99201:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,000And he's had it forever, like for 20 plus years.99301:13:33,000 --> 01:13:38,000And Netflix finally, they like gave him permission to go for it.99401:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,000And he's creating they want it to be a new franchise.99501:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,000They want it to be a new cinematic universe.99601:13:43,000 --> 01:13:50,000So he's making this giant sci fi space opera thing right now.99701:13:50,000 --> 01:13:55,000And just one of the few originals that's like actually coming from him.99801:13:55,000 --> 01:14:00,000Not just it's not just a company wanting to do something unique.99901:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,000And then they get a big a big director.100001:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,000You know, it's it's from his perspective.100101:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,000Would you watch anything Zack Snyder makes?100201:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,000Did you watch his Justice League?100301:14:11,000 --> 01:14:18,000I think Zack Snyder is a very talented filmmaker.100401:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,000But I have not seen all of his films.100501:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,000You've got to check out the Justice League one day.100601:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,000Just do it for the director's cut, you just do it for the story.100701:14:25,000 --> 01:14:29,000Like you were at Warner Brothers during the collusion, dude.100801:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,000Like you got to just watch it, man.100901:14:33,000 --> 01:14:38,000I don't have six hours of my life, though, that I'm willing to devote.101001:14:38,000 --> 01:14:43,000You don't have half a shift to give to the TV.101101:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,000Probably not.101201:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,000I'm still trying to catch up on other stuff, you know.101301:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,000I feel you.101401:14:50,000 --> 01:14:54,000Well, OK, so we got through the festivals.101501:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,000What are your thoughts on debuting the movie?101601:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,000Like what are your thoughts on the audience's reaction?101701:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,000Are you satisfied with this creative process?101801:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,000Like where are you at right now?101901:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,000Am I satisfied with my creative process?102001:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,000Yes.102101:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,000No, I'm never satisfied.102201:15:12,000 --> 01:15:17,000I mean, I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing.102301:15:17,000 --> 01:15:23,000But I mean, I always I can be pretty negative and pretty critical102401:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,000because I always think there are things that can be done better.102501:15:26,000 --> 01:15:31,000Now, that being said, I would I would never say that about any of the people that I work with.102601:15:31,000 --> 01:15:39,000I mean, I would I would take the blame because I think that I'm not saying I think the film is bad.102701:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,000I would think that it could be improved.102801:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,000But I would say that any any fault of the film would be my fault,102901:15:45,000 --> 01:15:51,000not not the actors or the people, the other people in the process,103001:15:51,000 --> 01:15:57,000because I think they all did a wonderful job and did exactly what I asked.103101:15:57,000 --> 01:16:02,000So if there's any shortcomings, it would be mine.103201:16:02,000 --> 01:16:10,000But yeah, I'm never I mean, I there are parts of it that I like to watch and I think are funny.103301:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,000So that's good. I mean, I do appreciate that.103401:16:12,000 --> 01:16:16,000And I that I have things I can watch on it and think it's funny.103501:16:16,000 --> 01:16:24,000But I am going to look at anything I do and think, well,103601:16:24,000 --> 01:16:29,000you know, it'd be a little bit better if I could have done X, Y or Z.103701:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,000I mean, that's that's how I would do any of the things I do.103801:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,000I just I'm always looking for how to improve and get better on it.103901:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,000So I I don't know if that answers your question.104001:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,000I mean, I was just curious, man, because everyone everyone has their own process.104101:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,000Everyone has, you know, what they want to do, accomplish, or everyone just has, you know,104201:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,000has thoughts and just what they want to do with this.104301:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,000I was just curious what you were going for with it.104401:16:54,000 --> 01:16:59,000Yeah, I mean, I think you have to at some point let it just sit and let it be.104501:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,000This is the thing now. You know, this is what it is.104601:17:03,000 --> 01:17:07,000Because you look at George Lucas, I mean, he could continually cut because he had things that he'd look at.104701:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,000Oh, I could do that better. I could do that better because I think you always do.104801:17:10,000 --> 01:17:17,000I mean, you see, Miss Spielberg changed a part of ET because after he had kids,104901:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,000he said, I'd rather not have guns near kids because he when he made the movie, he didn't have kids.105001:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,000And then he did have kids and he's like, ah, it makes me feel a little uncomfortable.105101:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,000So he changed it. Then he realized at some point later, he said, you know,105201:17:28,000 --> 01:17:35,000maybe even though I would do it differently now, the film was already in the zeitgeist.105301:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,000It was there. It was out in the world. That's how it should be.105401:17:39,000 --> 01:17:45,000And I shouldn't mess with it. So I think you have to reach a point where you say, OK, I'm just going to leave it alone.105501:17:45,000 --> 01:17:49,000Oh, I forgot. And knowing Spielberg, wait, what did he do again with ET?105601:17:49,000 --> 01:17:57,000He deleted the guns or? Yeah, there is a scene where they're the kids are riding their bikes and they're105701:17:57,000 --> 01:18:02,000riding their bikes and they're police officers or security guards.105801:18:02,000 --> 01:18:10,000I mean, they're in the foreground of the shot and they had guns like they were holding guns.105901:18:10,000 --> 01:18:16,000And he went in and digitally changed it so they didn't have they weren't guns, they were flashlights.106001:18:16,000 --> 01:18:23,000Lame. Because he didn't he didn't he's like, I don't feel comfortable having guns in your kids because now I have kids.106101:18:23,000 --> 01:18:31,000I mean, I can understand, like your perspective changes when you know, when things in life happen.106201:18:31,000 --> 01:18:37,000You know, he was after he did ET, he made Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom.106301:18:37,000 --> 01:18:42,000And he was supposed to direct Peter Pan, but not Hook.106401:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,000He was supposed to direct Peter Pan. I'm sorry. Hang on. Pause.106501:18:45,000 --> 01:18:51,000So he did he did Temple of Doom after ET. So he's comfortable.106601:18:51,000 --> 01:19:02,000He's uncomfortable with kids around guns, but he's totally chill with a kid in some demonic temple who's like about to watch a human sacrifice.106701:19:02,000 --> 01:19:07,000Well, maybe. I mean, like he wasn't given the opportunity to re-edit Temple of Doom.106801:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,000So I mean, he might have wanted to change it. I don't know. I have no idea about that.106901:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,000I just know that what did happen is remembering that movie.107001:19:14,000 --> 01:19:23,000I understand. Yeah. So he did. So he did. It was ET and Temple of Doom.107101:19:23,000 --> 01:19:28,000Color Purple might have been 85 or 86. I'm not sure. So it was right in that era.107201:19:28,000 --> 01:19:38,000So I think after he'd made Color Purple, he was given a script for Peter Pan to make a live action Peter Pan.107301:19:38,000 --> 01:19:47,000And his oldest son was born. And, you know, he just decided, you know, which would I rather do?107401:19:47,000 --> 01:19:57,000See my son's, you know, first steps or go to England for 18 months and shoot Peter Pan.107501:19:57,000 --> 01:20:02,000So he didn't do it because he said I just had a different perspective.107601:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000So I can understand what things in life happen and they change your perspective on things.107701:20:05,000 --> 01:20:11,000But, you know, once the project is out there, I think it should be at least available for somebody.107801:20:11,000 --> 01:20:18,000So I would say, yes, I always have a long, long-winded way of saying that.107901:20:18,000 --> 01:20:26,000I think that I might always want to change something, but you reach a point where you just say, this is what it is.108001:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,000This is how blemish warts and all. But that's it.108101:20:30,000 --> 01:20:36,000People seem to like it. So we're going to go with what's on the screen.108201:20:36,000 --> 01:20:42,000I have some rapid fire questions from the audience, from our good friend Ben Thompson.108301:20:42,000 --> 01:20:48,000He wrote in some questions that have been burning on his mind.108401:20:48,000 --> 01:20:52,000OK, so if you can. Yes, no, yes, yes, no.108501:20:52,000 --> 01:20:59,000Yeah, just simple answers. Yes, no, or if as succinctly as possible, as Ben likes it.108601:20:59,000 --> 01:21:07,000OK. So it's a few things. The first thing, how many pushups can you do?108701:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,000That's really what he asked.108801:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,000A hundred.108901:21:09,000 --> 01:21:12,000Yes, I believe it. I believe it.109001:21:12,000 --> 01:21:19,000What was the first movie you remember seeing in theaters?109101:21:19,000 --> 01:21:25,000Two answers. Well, I could give you three answers, which the question is first one.109201:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,000So how am I going to answer that?109301:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,000What's the first one, dude?109401:21:29,000 --> 01:21:39,000So I used to say that it was Jetsons the movie. I used to say that.109501:21:39,000 --> 01:21:52,000But actually, I went back and the Peter Pan, Disney did a re-release of Peter Pan and I remember seeing Peter Pan before my sister was born.109601:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,000But when I when I used to say Jetsons the movie, it was because I.109701:21:57,000 --> 01:22:00,000You know, Peter Pan was really made like 1950 or whatever.109801:22:00,000 --> 01:22:08,000So I knew I saw it in the theater, but I didn't know what year it was until I looked up at some point.109901:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,000Disney's like re-release patterns and I realized, oh, that was before that.110001:22:11,000 --> 01:22:15,000So Peter Pan would have been very early. I was very, very young.110101:22:15,000 --> 01:22:23,000I don't really remember much about it other than like I can kind of remember the theater.110201:22:23,000 --> 01:22:28,000And then the first live action movie I would see, I saw.110301:22:28,000 --> 01:22:32,000So this was probably maybe more important to me and I do love animation.110401:22:32,000 --> 01:22:37,000But the first live action one I saw was The Rocketeer.110501:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,000That's beautiful. I love that.110601:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,000She's one of my favorite movie.110701:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,000That's awesome.110801:22:43,000 --> 01:22:50,000If aliens were to come down and ask, show us what a movie is, what would you show them?110901:22:50,000 --> 01:22:54,000The textbook answer would be Citizen Kane, right?111001:22:54,000 --> 01:22:58,000I, though, I, I always go back to the same thing.111101:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,000I, I love planes, trains, automobiles.111201:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,000It is my all time favorite movie.111301:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,000And I would show them. I would show anybody that.111401:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,000I have shown that movie to so many people and I've never, except my wife.111501:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,000My wife is the only person who didn't enjoy it.111601:23:14,000 --> 01:23:18,000So I think it's a phenomenal movie.111701:23:18,000 --> 01:23:25,000What's one movie you'd like to remake slash what movie do you think you could make better?111801:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,000I could never make a movie better.111901:23:28,000 --> 01:23:34,000But if I was going to remake a movie, it would be The Creature from the Black Lagoon.112001:23:34,000 --> 01:23:39,000I don't like remakes. I do not like remakes, but I would remake The Creature from the Black Lagoon.112101:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,000Dude, that'd be epic.112201:23:41,000 --> 01:23:49,000The last one is, does Georgia Tech compete in Division 2 or Division 3?112301:23:49,000 --> 01:23:51,000Who submitted that question?112401:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,000These are all from Ben Thompson.112501:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000Okay, okay.112601:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,000Ben is a jokester.112701:23:57,000 --> 01:24:03,000And I would say, when was the last time Gonzaga ever won anything important?112801:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,000Was that a burn?112901:24:05,000 --> 01:24:12,000Yeah, no, I do like Gonzaga.113001:24:12,000 --> 01:24:18,000No, I really do. I like watching Gonzaga basketball.113101:24:18,000 --> 01:24:24,000Drew Timmy, man. That guy, he's got to be like 35. I don't know.113201:24:24,000 --> 01:24:35,000But Georgia Tech competes in Division 1 athletics.113301:24:35,000 --> 01:24:49,000And thankfully, thankfully we have cut the cord with the former head coach that we kept for way too long,113401:24:49,000 --> 01:24:55,000who ran the program into the ground, and there are big things coming, Ben Thompson,113501:24:55,000 --> 01:24:59,000and I think we're going to be pretty good this fall.113601:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,000My last, okay, I had one idea for the last section.113701:25:03,000 --> 01:25:11,000I usually try to talk about innovation that I see personally in the world with movies or any innovation.113801:25:11,000 --> 01:25:19,000What's your perspective on it? I'm not sure how much AI that you've been aware of.113901:25:19,000 --> 01:25:25,000I'm not sure if you're in those algorithms, but what are you seeing in innovation?114001:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,000You're out in Georgia. What's on your mind?114101:25:28,000 --> 01:25:37,000Do you have any thoughts about the future of your career or the future of your success in the next few years?114201:25:37,000 --> 01:25:44,000Because it is trying times, and within America, the economy is going down.114301:25:44,000 --> 01:25:49,000I don't know how long they're going to keep propping up the economy by just printing money.114401:25:49,000 --> 01:25:52,000I don't know how long things will be good for.114501:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,000But Andrew, do you see any innovation around you?114601:25:55,000 --> 01:26:01,000Do you see inspiration for anything business-wise or creative-wise?114701:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,000What's inspiring you right now?114801:26:04,000 --> 01:26:10,000Think about what Walt Disney did in so many things.114901:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,000He was such a force.115001:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,000In feature-length animation, nobody had ever done it.115101:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,000It couldn't be done. It takes too much time.115201:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,000So, he did it.115301:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,000Building a theme park makes no sense.115401:26:26,000 --> 01:26:30,000People won't go. It'll be too expensive. We can't do it.115501:26:30,000 --> 01:26:37,000And he did. When people say you can't do something, that's because a lot of people don't want to try.115601:26:37,000 --> 01:26:42,000I think that there are plenty of opportunities and things that we don't know yet.115701:26:42,000 --> 01:26:52,000I think sometimes we have to think about, okay, what is a different way of getting your ideas out there?115801:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,000Is it using some other tool?115901:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,000Or is it something totally different?116001:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,000Is it something from the past?116101:27:01,000 --> 01:27:08,000Do we need to take some form that we've done before and reimagine it for now?116201:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,000I don't know. Maybe.116301:27:11,000 --> 01:27:19,000In the early days of cinema, a movie would be screened from film.116401:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,000They would take that film print.116501:27:22,000 --> 01:27:29,000And oftentimes, an exhibitor, some person, would drive that print from town to town.116601:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,000And there would be one screen in the town.116701:27:31,000 --> 01:27:40,000And they would say, hey, now, Dr. X or whatever this 1950s movie, this movie is playing in our town.116801:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,000And so everybody would go.116901:27:42,000 --> 01:27:48,000I mean, maybe that's how you need to start trying to get your film out there.117001:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,000Go from town to town.117101:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,000Now we can just like it's instant movies everywhere.117201:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,000We can really just watch anything.117301:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,000And that's true.117401:27:56,000 --> 01:28:06,000But that's the problem is that since there are so many things, people oftentimes just throw their hands up and say, well, I'm just going to the first thing Netflix throws at me.117501:28:06,000 --> 01:28:11,000So if you're trying to break through that, you have to think of something different.117601:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,000I'm not saying that you should do drive town to town.117701:28:14,000 --> 01:28:19,000I'm just saying that you probably need to find a way to get around Netflix.117801:28:19,000 --> 01:28:24,000Do you have a chance as an innovator to do the same thing that everybody else is doing?117901:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,000No, you have to do something different.118001:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,000I don't necessarily know what it is.118101:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,000Somebody smarter than me can figure that out.118201:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,000But I think that there are people like that.118301:28:36,000 --> 01:28:42,000And I think that there are going to be things that right now we don't even think about that will become innovations.118401:28:42,000 --> 01:28:52,000Because I think the human brain is clever and is going to continue to think of new ways of doing things, especially when backed into a corner, because then you have to find something.118501:28:52,000 --> 01:28:59,000Yeah, my whole take on AI has been well, first of all, I've been experimenting with some things I've experimented with the imaging stuff.118601:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,000One of them is called mid journey.118701:29:01,000 --> 01:29:09,000You know, you're really just typing in some some sentences when it comes out pretty, pretty pristine.118801:29:09,000 --> 01:29:20,000There's other things where you can upload, you can just copy and paste a YouTube link and the AI will automatically edit it so that it fits in TikTok.118901:29:20,000 --> 01:29:30,000And it just like goes through the entire video and it gives you like 10 different options for a TikTok video that's properly cropped and it gives you captions.119001:29:30,000 --> 01:29:37,000And it has some sort of like ranking system to tell you how how viral it is, which is silly.119101:29:37,000 --> 01:29:42,000But like these things can can take in data.119201:29:42,000 --> 01:30:00,000I think it's just going to amplify like people like I I am of the belief that if I were to choose to use the AIs as consciously as possible to like as a tool, as a way to just get my individual voice out.119301:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,000I really believe they put me on the same level as Disney, even though like Disney is Disney, like I can make my own Fantasia.119401:30:08,000 --> 01:30:18,000I can really there's another AI where you can record a video of yourself and the AI takes that and creates motion capture data.119501:30:18,000 --> 01:30:28,000And then you can plot that data onto any animated character, which is, you know, that's copy paste avatar.119601:30:28,000 --> 01:30:33,000You know, that's like James Cameron. That's James Cameron times 10.119701:30:33,000 --> 01:30:37,000Like it's like James Cameron is in your pocket, like almost.119801:30:37,000 --> 01:30:41,000Yeah, it's super well, super young, too. It's not like it's not perfect yet.119901:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,000But my whole thing, I think the individual will be able to make a lot more.120001:30:45,000 --> 01:30:54,000And that's why I'm sort of thinking about brands, you know, like sort of like the names, the name of the creator is the brand.120101:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,000You know, that's I think that's where things are going.120201:30:57,000 --> 01:31:16,000Yeah. And I think then at that point, the more that the technology becomes something that's commonplace, you think about if you go back to, I don't know, the mid 90s and Independence Day was this huge phenomenon of a movie.120301:31:16,000 --> 01:31:24,000Why was it? Because there's one shot in the movie where the alien ship has this laser beam that comes down and blows up the White House.120401:31:24,000 --> 01:31:29,000That moment in the trailer sold the movie. Why? Because nobody ever seen that before.120501:31:29,000 --> 01:31:36,000It was a great special effect and a special effect could sell a film.120601:31:36,000 --> 01:31:44,000Now you literally can do anything. If you were to put that moment in a trailer, it's not going to sell anything.120701:31:44,000 --> 01:31:53,000So what does sell it? It sells it on your you're getting back to I think the differentiation would be being able to tell a good story if we're talking about film.120801:31:53,000 --> 01:32:08,000So I think being able to tell a good story will separate the good works from everything else because everybody is capable of doing every thing.120901:32:08,000 --> 01:32:14,000But, you know, as you can give a certain things, I guess, I think it can be a good tool.121001:32:14,000 --> 01:32:24,000It might can help you out of a corner. But I think like you're saying, the creator has the opportunity to get their ideas out there.121101:32:24,000 --> 01:32:33,000And it's just important for them to have a good, well structured idea and an original idea.121201:32:33,000 --> 01:32:38,000And I think that that the cream is going to come to the top.121301:32:38,000 --> 01:32:47,000And so then the thing that becomes the important thing is the story. And I think that's that's important. I think that's good.121401:32:47,000 --> 01:32:54,000Well, Andrew, that's that's all I got, man. Thanks for coming on. Thank you for thank you for talking with me.121501:32:54,000 --> 01:33:00,000I've had a really nice two hours. I hope I correctly answered all the questions and I get a gold star.121601:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,000You get five gold stars, dude. You get five out of five, bro. OK.121701:33:04,000 --> 01:33:09,000Oh, last thing, did you get your Oppenheimer tickets yet?121801:33:09,000 --> 01:33:15,000They just went on sale today, today, June 1st. They just went on sale today.121901:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,000Yeah, I got to go see it 70 millimeter, you know.122001:33:18,000 --> 01:33:23,000Yeah, I got my tickets. Shannon, I are seeing an IMAX 70 millimeter at the CityWalk.122101:33:23,000 --> 01:33:30,000So if you're coming out to L.A. to walk, it's only it's only playing it like 10 theaters or something, I think.122201:33:30,000 --> 01:33:38,000And I'm like, 25, there's only 25 IMAX theaters that are capable of doing the film.122301:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,000There you go. That would be the way to see it. That's for sure.122401:33:41,000 --> 01:33:46,000I I I hope to get to an IMAX to see it.122501:33:46,000 --> 01:33:52,000I will be seeing it somewhere, but I hope to get to see it in 70 millimeter.122601:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,000Andrew, thank you so much for for being here, man.122701:33:55,000 --> 01:34:01,000I wish you all the best with your with your creative career, with your directing journey, with your editing journey, dude.122801:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,000I think there's a lot of things coming your way.122901:34:04,000 --> 01:34:11,000I really believe that. Well, so when 2020 happened, I really believe that everything that we were doing was going to lead to something better.123001:34:11,000 --> 01:34:16,000You have a seed of something beautiful like you really do.123101:34:16,000 --> 01:34:19,000You have a seed of a vibe that you can lean into, man.123201:34:19,000 --> 01:34:27,000Like, I totally believe in you, Andrew, like you are so powerful, you're creative, you're funny, like you have the eye for the frame.123301:34:27,000 --> 01:34:30,000You know what you want. Like you have this, man.123401:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,000Like, I totally believe in you, dude. I'm just and I'm inspired by you.123501:34:33,000 --> 01:34:46,000That's why I wanted you to be on here as well, because when it comes to seeking innovation, when it comes to like trying to make our systems better or just make trying to make better art, trying to make yourself better, like you're one of those guys.123601:34:46,000 --> 01:34:51,000Absolutely. You're absolutely one of those guys, man. So I applaud you, sir.123701:34:51,000 --> 01:34:57,000Well, you're making me blush. Good. Good. You should be blushing. You're awesome, dude.123801:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,000Andrew, do you have anything else to add?123901:35:00,000 --> 01:35:09,000No, man, I'm fresh out. So until you got more questions for me and want me to come back for part two, then I'll be back.124001:35:09,000 --> 01:35:23,000I think for part two, I would like to have you and Ben on at the same time. And I would I feel like there's more for the three of us to do as well. There's got to be more because 60 Second Talk Show went so smoothly and so fun.124101:35:23,000 --> 01:35:32,000Like, there's no way we're going to just not do anything again. So I definitely there's something out there for the three of us. I see that for sure.124201:35:32,000 --> 01:35:36,000Okay, so so good. I'm there.124301:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,000Hell yeah, man.124401:35:38,000 --> 01:35:42,000Very good. All right, well, let me just sign off. Andrew, thank you.124501:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,000You have a lovely day.124601:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,000And I'll talk to you later, bro.124701:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,000All right. Take care. Good to talk to you.124801:35:50,000 --> 01:36:09,000That's America Plus, bitch. Stay free.