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In this episode of AMERICAPLUS, host Cole McCormick engages in a fascinating conversation with Seth Borkowsky, host of The Spiritual Skeptic podcast. The discussion delves into the realms of spirituality, UFOs, and conspiracy theories, exploring topics such as clones, souls, and the influence of extraterrestrial beings. Seth shares his journey from skepticism to belief, influenced by personal experiences with mediums and the intriguing posts of a Twitter user named Kab, who discusses Pleiadian disclosure and other spiritual matters. The conversation also touches on the impact of personal loss, as both Cole and Seth share their experiences with the deaths of their fathers and how these events have shaped their spiritual perspectives.

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Are you a spiritual skeptic?  

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What's up, everyone? It's America Plus. I'm your host, Cole McCormick. It's another week. Another episode. What's going on, everybody? It's Sunday,   05:26   in the PM. What's going on, everybody?  

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Happy to be here. Hi. I'm hyped, dude. I'm super hyped to be here. It's a beautiful day to be alive. I'm coming to you on a beautiful Sunday morning in Southern California.   It is, it's good vibes here. I got over my cold, and it was a good week at work. And I got nothing to complain about, folks. It's just   like, let's just be grateful, man. Like, can can we just get be grateful and happy and chill vibes, dude? I have a wonderful episode for you today.   This week is a conversation.   Okay? It's over two hours long. It was a phenomenally   long and awesome talk with somebody that I have only recently discovered.  

This guy is a podcaster. Okay? He has a podcast.   He has one of the funniest podcasts out there. It's called The Spiritual Skeptic.   This guy's name is Seth. Okay? He's a Jew in New York City, and he's doing his best to stay alive and living his best life. And I got to know him, and he's, like he he's one of those guys who you just instantly vibe with. At least I did. And it was just a really good time, and,   we talk about everything that he talks about on his podcast. Okay? And one reason why I connected with him is he talks about UFOs, he talks about clones,   he talks about souls,   he talks about aliens,   and he's also a follower of this guy named Cabe on Twitter. He calls him   Cobb. Okay? So we go back and forth with that situation.  

Cabe and Cobb, we we're both followers of him, and we follow,   Pleiadian   disclosure.   And so a lot of this conversation is about that topic, about our spirituality,   about how we're moving through the world, and what we think about these topics,   and just what   our perspective is on the validity on Cabe,   and,   how to how to think about these things when it comes to people giving information   about spiritual matters and alien stuff.   And so I think it was a really good conversation. I think it was a really healthy conversation.   And my intention with it is to just   help Earth, help you think about this in a bit more logical way,   in a way that doesn't put you in a lower position,   because that's something that a lot of UFO stuff and conspiracy stuff does, you know. It's like, you've been lied to. You're trapped. Your soul is trapped on Earth. You've been lied to your entire life about money and the government. It's like, okay.  

Regardless of a lie, is there a way to move forward? Is there a way to build myself up? How can I   free myself? You know? And this type of a conversation helps that process.   So,   yeah, man. I got this thing good to go.   I'm gonna hang out in the background while this conversation   flies on through.   And,   yeah, man. But before I get into that real quick, I just wanna go go into the valueforvalue   section.  

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That's like a peak   like, in terms of, like, energy and, like, things to do, like, that's, like, peak energy, dude. Like, there's no other   spot. You know? Like, we got all these big cities around the world. Like, people love to live in Paris. They love to live in you know, Dubai is a famous city, but, like, you know, New York is, like, the real shiny city on the hill, man. So that's really cool that you're just doing that.  

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It's cool. I mean, it's   it's really awesome. Like, right now across the street from me, I have probably   nine different businesses,   Chinese restaurant, a Turkish business, a Korean fried chicken spot, a sushi spot.   The accessibility is amazing. I can walk   ten minutes and get an incredible black and white cookie, like an unbelievable   cappuccino,   or be near Central Park. So it's definitely true.   It is an amazing city. My my wife really did sell me on it. She's a she's a warrior. Where where are you based out of? I'm in LA right now, but I'm in LA. Yeah. But I I grew up in, like, the southern part. I was born in Vegas.  

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I grew up in Southern Arizona,   and then I moved out in LA in 2017.  

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Nice. Okay. So you well, you said you were born in Vegas, or you lived in Vegas?  

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Born in Vegas, lived there for a year, and then my parents moved us down to Arizona because my dad got it.   The town called Queen Creek.  

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Queen Creek. Is that in Sedona or no? No. It's, like, three hours south of Sedona. Like, an hour south. Near Sedona. Okay. Yeah. Nowhere near Sedona. But Oh, really? Scottsdale, Sedona. You know, just classic. I don't know anything about Arizona, but the major spots. But I was in Sedona. I loved it.  

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When were you there?   I was there I feel like I was there, like, probably, like, a year ago. Yeah? Yeah, dude. Sedona's perfect, dude. I went there. I'm I I always try to go out there when it when it, like, feels right. Before I moved out here, I took a Sedona trip with a couple of buddies of mine.   And, you know, that that was just a it was like a random, like, just impromptu thing for us to do. And one of the biggest,   like, very impactful, just, like, moments with my friends, just, like, moments in nature   with me out there. So I like Sedona is, like it's weird how it's magic.  



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Did did you feel that?   Well, they say that, in Sedona,   underneath   the surface, of course, they have,   the Galactic Federation bases and that Do you believe   that? I do.   But I believe things a little too deeply sometimes. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sure I could be catfished. But Yeah. What I've what I've read   is that there are vortex points over there, and most people just think it's, like, due to the way, like, the plates shift or how the water runs or whatever other Mhmm. Lame scientific explanations there are. But to my understanding, it's because there are crystals underneath there,   and,   you know, the crystals were placed there by extraterrestrials.  

So when you're out there and,   you know, you're walking amongst the different vortex areas, they   say you're meant to feel energy. It was funny because,   I booked this, like, pink Jeep tour. I guess it's like a popular thing to do out there. Oh, yeah. And I specifically booked the spiritual one.   I was like, I just wanna go deep in nature, you know, and be guided by someone, like a shaman, ideally, to take me to these places to feel what it is. And then the guy, like, did not have an ounce of spirituality to him. He was like, this sounds real woo woo, man. Not really my style, brother. Like, what the heck? Like, why are you leading this tour?   But it was it was a great time out there. I saw a a medium out there as well, which was, which was a really cool experience.  



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Really? Yeah. I've never met with a medium. That was a What? That's crazy. I know. I should probably.   Well, I I'm sort of planning on meeting with one. I I have cousins in Vegas, and one of them wanted to hook me up with their friend who's a medium. And so next time I go to Vegas, I'll probably talk to one   then. But what was that experience like for you?  

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I feel like that's the gateway. I mean, I feel like kind of, like, how I set up my podcast is, like,   here are the steps you must go through to go from not believing at all to believing.   And for me, the first time I saw a medium was actually during the pandemic.   The reason I saw a medium was because   my wife was speaking to a medium, actually. And during that session,   the medium started talking about me.   And I   it's funny that we're here now because years and years ago,   you know, if you told me I was on a podcast talking about aliens, mediums, I just would have assumed something went horribly wrong with my life. Like, he really ended up in the loony bin, didn't he? So it's quite the transformation over time. But,   while my wife was meeting with the medium,   she started talking about me and a lot of health issues I was having at the time. I was having a lot of stomach issues. I was working like a really stressful sales job. Probably wasn't eating that well. Definitely wasn't eating that well. And I just thought it was trippy that she was talking about me, but also still wasn't, like, quite convinced.  

And then my wife, who is quite spiritual, convinced me to see that same medium,   and that experience was, like, extremely mind blowing because   a lot of the things that we discussed about my family, about my deceased grandfather,   about the history of my family,   it's not Googleable. It's not things we even really talk about. A lot of it dates back to, like,   my grandfather being, like, a holocaust survivor. Like, my dad didn't like to talk about that stuff.   So that, like, was really shocking to me   because   if this person knows these intimate details about my life that I don't share with anybody and neither does my family, and if these things aren't available online,   then how the fuck do you know that? And I think that was sort of the   the sort of, like, one eighty transformation of, like, I don't know shit.  

And everything I'm going to do moving forward   when I have free time is going to be understanding as much about this as humanly possible. So that really was the gateway. So to me, you have to be careful because there's so many frauds out there, so many frauds. And I've been duped by some myself,   but I I have great suggestions, and a lot of them do online as well. I don't even know what the medium looks like the first one I ever,   met with. It was all over the phone. I I couldn't even identify her in a police lineup, but she changed my life,   which is kinda crazy to think. And, you know, someone who's a medium,   probably a star c two because   can't be talking to the dead if you're human. You know? How's that possible?  



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That's really interesting, dude. So that all so okay. So the reason why I wanted to talk to you is because of your podcast. So that medium experience I appreciate it. The and thank you for having me, by the way. I appreciate it, man. Of of course. It for some reason, it just felt right. You know, some things just, like, feel right when you ask a person something. So I just wanted to lean into that instinct. But your podcast is hilarious, dude. It's Thank you. I appreciate it. I never   I'm not one to, like, listen to, like,   to, like, a lot of spiritual podcasts. Like, there's, like, a few that, like or I guess the the there's a few, like, individuals that I like listening to, but at the same time, it's not always, like they're not always giving, like   like, they're not entertaining, or they're, like, talking about something that doesn't resonate with me too much. But your stuff is actually funny, and it's entertaining. And Thank you.  

You've been focusing on a lot on what Cabe has been posting on Twitter, which I also feel really interesting. Him. Yeah. Him. Like, tell so tell me how, like, the medium experience leads to the podcast, but when did you start following Cabe on Twitter?  

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I don't know if it's pronounced Cabe or Cobb. I I'm used to calling him Cobb. So if it's Cabe, I've totally been blowing it. I say Cabe because I'm an American, so I'm just gonna put everything before the sport a.   No. I I like it.   I I mean, I would say after the medium   and then I'll get to Cobb, if you don't mind me calling. I'm just so that's just ingrained on my DNA. That'd be like calling my dad Dave. You know what I mean? Like, it's just I can't can't wrap my head around that. I   kinda, like, first got introduced to aliens through   have you ever heard of j three films? They got really famous for a movie they made called, extraordinary, the Stan Romanek story.  

That was later debunked as not being true.   But I had not seen anything, like, alien related at all. So it was, like, in the middle of the pandemic.   I watched, that documentary.   And although a lot of it was embellished,   I was introduced to the concept of the grays, and they later came out with a movie called extraordinary the seating, which is again about, like, abductions and stuff like that, which I do feel is, like, less important. And that's something that Cobb talks about a lot that the grays are sort of like pawns in the whole thing, whereas a lot of people make them out to be these remarkable gods who are really more like, I don't know, lame ass chess pieces.   But I didn't know that, so I got, like, really, really obsessed with it.  

Then later on with Cobb,   honestly, I hopped on to Twitter. I don't even really know why.   But   I started coming across his post, and he was posting, like, a lot of conspiracy theory stuff, like, really out there stuff, like,   stuff about clones,   stuff about, like,   you know, like, the high level, like, Diddy freak off stuff, like dark shit.   Mhmm. Clear look. Clearly, the algorithm, like, understood me very quickly.   But he also would post, like, UFO videos   that I was seeing, like, in the online sphere,   and he would just say some crazy shit. He'd be like, this craft is being   operated by a Syrian extraterrestrial   that is seven feet tall and has an elongated head   confirmed by   my Pleiadian brother who's not incarnated. And you kinda read that. You're like, what on earth are you fucking saying? Like, what?  

That's the craziest thing I that's the craziest sentence I ever read in my life. Clearly, you're severely mentally unwell.   On the flip side of that, I was, like, utterly captivated by, like, everything he said.   And it's funny very briefly.   The other night,   my wife and I were having a conversation.   And one thing I don't like about, like,   people on the Internet in general with alien stuff is I don't like when people   act like they're oracles or like they have insider information or like they know stuff. So one thing if you're, like, a huge part of, like, the United States government and you've seen, like, stuff like Bob Lazar, for example, or Lazar. I don't know how to pronounce it. But there's just, like, random people on Twitter that are, like, fellow starseeds. I have the answers. And it's like, no. No. You don't.   Right. But, my wife was kinda saying to me, she was like, you know, you're putting a lot of stake into this this Cobb guy. Like, you've never seen him in person. He's never done video. He's never done audio. Apparently, a lot of what he gets is from his mother who you've never seen. Like, I'm not saying he's not legit, but you are getting a lot of information from him. And I was like, that's fair. Like, I've gone pretty deep down this rabbit hole, haven't I? Like, if he's not legit, I'm pretty screwed.  

Which is part of also why I think it's a little difficult for me to promote my podcast sometimes because, like, I don't even fully believe it sometimes.   But, anyway, we had this, like, whole conversation about that.   And it's fair what she's saying. It's totally fair. I mean, you know, my wife is clearly my better half. And then we get home,   and I look out my window,   and I post this on my Twitter. I don't know if it's legit or not, but I was like, that might be a fucking UFO.   And I was like, are these things connected? You know? Are the Pleiadians like, no. It is legit, brother. You know? And we're right here just to prove it to you. So I don't know. But the way I got into Cobb just to answer that, and sorry for,   so many parts of that answer, is really just   being captivated by somebody so confidently posting things that were so  

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out there unfamiliar and unique to me. That's really the answer. Yeah. Was that during COVID, or is that, like, in the last year and a half? Like, is this, like, post Elon buying Twitter?  

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Trying to think of the timeline. I I feel like it probably started, like I mean, I feel like I really got the idea for my podcast probably, like,   two   two and a half years ago. I actually recorded a season with, like, a bunch of guests, but I was, like, super, super inexperienced with, like, audio and stuff like that, and I really like how it sounded. So I trashed a lot of that. And then right around that time when I was, like, let me, like, take a pause on this and recalibrate.   I discovered a lot of his stuff. And he sort of became, like,   a version of, like, the like, a a check mark for me. Let me go do a little bit of research. Let me get an idea about what he is saying about it, this alleged star seed.  

And if he's an alien, literally, and if he's getting this information from, like, his alien family,   surely there can be no better resource than that.   Obviously, it could be AI generated too. That thought always goes in the back of my head. But for some reason, I've just always found myself, like, magnetically attracted to that information. I don't know why. Like a fly, you know, like a fly going to a light.   Mhmm.  

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Yeah. It's strange because I felt I've had a similar experience with his posts. And I I was looking back   a a little bit ago trying to figure out, like, when did I really start to see his posts.   And, I had a I had a very similar experience as you did. I was just I I just sort of saw something that he posted, and then I just kept reading. I was like, what is this guy saying? And it was, like, extremely   detailed and straightforward and   not seeking   to, like   like, there's so many, like, disclosure type posts that are, like,   try to paint fear around what we don't know. Yes. And   nothing that he was posting was saying, like, they've been lying to you or something like that. Yeah. Or it's like, what's suspicious about this picture?  

Like Yeah. Yeah. I hate those type of posts, and he's do. Like, so clear with his words. Yes. And I I think I found him around, like, October   2023,   I think, is when I started to read his stuff.   And,   like, I always think about maybe it could be fake, but he's also the only it seems to be the only one who has, like, a clear answer. If it's not the answer,   it's a clear answer.   And it's actually something to actually go off of and to actually discuss, which I think is   more valuable than anything else. Because so many other people who are in the disclosure space, whether it be someone from the government or someone who might have worked on some secret project,  

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they're always like, I don't know what I saw, but this is this is weird. And it's like Right. That doesn't help us. That doesn't do anything.  

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And if there   are stories of, like, our past government officials   having discussions with these beings   and making secret deals, whether it be nefarious or positive,   like,   I would rather know that information   than   be strung along   with what have they been lying me to. Like, it's just it's so strange. So I've I've always,   appreciated Cade for for what he's he's done in that sense.   And I don't think it's AI personally. I feel like I know when something is written by AI. The key thing is when someone whenever you read,   it's not just a computer. It's a tool to expand yourself or something like that. It's always like, it's not just this. It's this. Like, it's there there's, like, that similar sentence in, like, in all these AI written   things. So that's just, like, a little thing that I've identified.  



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Mhmm.  

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Did you, like,   think about souls and aliens as the same way? Because that was sort of an unlock for me when I was reading Cabe. Like,   in my own head and in my own words, I've replaced the word alien with soul. Was that something that happened with you as well, or how did you rethink   that relationship?  

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It's an interesting question. I mean, that does remind me, like, of the kind of, like, conceptual   idea of a starseed. Right? This is like an alien   that has chosen to forget their life   to live a life   as a human or theoretically   as another race on another planet that's of, like, a, quote, unquote, lower vibration   to learn lessons,   to see what it's like to not be perfect.   And then it's kinda trippy to think that, you know, if you are a starseed, like,   theoretically, if I was a starseed or you were a starseed, when you die, you wake up and you're just back in your backyard on your alien planet. Hey, honey. Work trip was pretty good. Good to be back. You know? Like, that's sort of, like, the trippiest virtual reality game ever. I think,   I think when I think about the soul,   I think more about, like, death.  

And   when you die,   it's obviously   just the beginning, and you sort of have   from what I've read, I've not experienced this, of course.   You have, like, an evaluation,   if you will, where   kind of look at your life and the mistakes you made and maybe things you could have done differently, and you reunite   with people that passed.   And then it's quite crazy to think that   you then gear up to do it again. I mean, according to the family of Taygeta,   because I did, like, a soul reading with Judith, which I talk about later.   One of my episodes, I've lived according to her 582   lives.  

I don't know if that's true, obviously.   But for my wife's birthday,   couple years ago, I got her a past life regression,   and   she, like, didn't enjoy it. My wife's, like, very   my wife, like, probably is, like, a medium, like, if she wanted to be. But I think it's, like, as that stuff gets closer to her, she, like, pushes it away because it's, like, a lot of energy.   She's almost like the type, like, if we went we went to, like, a dog adoption event, and she's, like, couldn't handle it. Like, she's just, like, too empathetic for, like, the dogs. You know what I mean? It's, like, very like, would love to have a dog, but, like, very upset by the fact that these, like, animals don't have a home. And I I was too, of course. But, like, her her empathy was, like, needing to step away for a second because she was, like, absorbing that emotion. But, she got the past life regression. And, obviously, it could all be, you know,   bullshit. But we always have this joke   that,   like, of who dies first in our relationship.  

So we would always say, like, she has she would always say, like, I have to die first because, like, I can't handle.   Sounds so fucking corny. But, like, it's a joke. It's like a bit we do. We're not that we're not like some lame Romeo and Juliet. I promise.   She's like, I would die first. You're hanging back. Sorry, buddy. That's like over beers we would say   that. You know? But then she got the regression, and according to her during the regression,   she saw us together in a past life and me   witnessing her death and me being extremely   upset about it, naturally speaking. I'm sure I was a great guy in that past life. Mhmm. And,   so she came back, and she was like, alright. You can die first. Like, that was, like, the joke that came from it. So, you know, they do say that you also incarnate in life   repeatedly   with people, like tribes. Like, you've incarnated in the past. I know you talked about your mom recently in one of your podcasts. Like, presumably, you guys have been together   through, you know, more than one life. I think with my sister or people who you, like, have, like, strong reactions to, like, I love my sister to death, but she drives me, like, out of my fucking mind. I mean, we're like oil and water. So,   like, I'm sure that there's a reason that she does that because she's meant to mirror something or teach me a lesson as I am to her. And, you know, throughout lifetimes and generations, I guess, you stick together with these people. So I guess I think of this soul as this, like   you know, we kinda   sort of corresponded about this on Twitter,   but   I I I strongly dislike two things. One, I dislike negativity   when it comes to extraterrestrials. I really don't like it. I think that's, like, kinda lame. And you're right. It's like so many people in the space are, like, in a world, you know, where something terrible   like, it's not a horror movie, so I don't like that.  

And then I also don't like this bullshit   about   it's a trap.   We're trapped on like, just stop it with that. This is, like, victor it's very negative. You know? And you're not gonna progress   spiritually as a person if you think that way.  

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Or show me how to get free. Like, if you think it's a trap, show me how to free myself. Like, do it. I double dog dare you   to get out of the trap, dude.  

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Yeah. Good good luck with that one.   Exactly. But   so yeah. So I guess,   I don't know. The soul is just   I hear I hear the word container in my head because that's how people think about it sometimes, but it's not that to me. It's just this sort of, like,   godlike part of us that, you know, is all knowing and kind of puts us in these different situations to grow.  

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Yeah. Yeah. I grew up Christian, and so the idea of the soul for me,   it was never really clearly defined. It was always just,   like, an essence,   something to just go to heaven.   And in the Christian narrative, it's always about, like,   your flesh is sinful, and your soul needs to be saved.   And something that has been sort of an unlock for me spiritually from reading Cabe   has been,   like,   just like it's like the opposite. It's like your soul is influencing your life.   And within,   some some, religious narratives, it's it's your physical life that influences your soul. Even though your soul is from god and your soul is a higher version of yourself, somehow,   this flesh   has, like, dominion over where your soul goes, heaven or hell.  

And and so, like, that's been, like,   a very comforting thing to, like, to to to think about. Like, there's actually a purpose. Like, god's plan for my life is actually   my plan because my soul is of god.   And so that's just been, like, a real, like, big thing for me in the last couple years, just thinking about   the plan, god's plan. Like, how do we engage with other souls that are that might be visiting with us,   and that just, like, the whole, like, like, there's, like, a victim mentality   that's online. And there's a victim mentality when it comes to these subjects of aliens and UFOs and   life on Earth.  

And,   I think there's a big parallel between science and religion, between, like, the victim mentality. You know?   Like, the Christian narrative that I grew up in is, like, there's, like, an original sin, and, like, we are inherently sinful.   And then, like, on the science side, it's everything is random, and there's only death. And it's like those two things are sort of paralleling to me in my head.   And but, like, there in the middle, what I think is as truth now is that there's actually   a plan, and there's actually light. And the purpose of life is to learn lessons and to   not not not just learn lessons, but learn lessons from your relationships. You know? There's a purpose for your relationships   and all these things. Like, you were saying about, like, your sister, you and your sister being water and oil. You know? That's such a that's a great concept. You know? But you're but you mirror each other, and you learn these lessons, and there's a purpose for this.  

So, yeah, that's just really that's cool that you have that mindset, man.   So do you, like so you're a believer that there is a galactic federation. You really think that there's Pleiadians in the UFOs.   Did that, like was that was that an instant belief, or did that was there a gradual   change in your in your thinking?  

[00:27:24] Unknown:

I mean, I I think, you know, there there again, there always is, like, the skeptical side. Right? Like, I think   I don't know if you ever see the show Catfish, but, like Mhmm. People   watch like, people fall in love in these relationships, and   they think that they're dating this beautiful human being on the other side of the the Internet,   and it turns out to be untrue. I think that the the low vibe, you know, fear does exist of, like, you know, what if I'm being fed a false narrative? And then what does that   say about me? Because in terms of, like, conspiracy theorists, like, people who   listen to conspiracy theories,   tout conspiracy theories, which is me. I do that.  

Often take solace in the idea that maybe they know something other people don't. Maybe they do have some sort of extra wisdom. Maybe they see things,   that other people don't or sort of have this inherent knowledge of, like, you know, the world doesn't turn as we think it does. So I think that there is always that,   you know, little   buzz in my head because I haven't necessarily   had   light like, I've had light bulb moments, but I haven't had, like, there's a UFO saucer hovering outside of my apartment building. I haven't had I've traveled into astral, and I've seen things in person. I haven't had,   somebody come to me in my dreams that passed away to speak to me. I haven't necessarily had, like, a super, super, super obvious, like, this is undeniable.  

However, I have had a lot of, like, similar to that medium experience,   strange,   thought provoking,   interesting, fascinating moments. And, arguably, the medium experience I had since it was unGoogleable   does sort of classify as that, but I think   for me, I I am very much intrigued by the concept and have explored   so much of the idea, for example, that   Pleiadians are these benevolent,   angelic,   godlike,   incredibly good looking   extraterrestrials   that look over   humanity and have been with us for,   you know, millennials.   I I am interested in that. I am interested in the idea that it isn't just,   Pleiadians, but it's   Syrians, it's reptilians or Orions, it's Andromedians, it's Arcturians that are, you know, nine foot tall blue aliens.  

I think   I'm, like, super deep in all that stuff. I'm super deep in the idea of, like,   then who are some of these aliens that have incarnated   to Earth,   to sort of represent these races? Like, you know, that's   the depth with which I've gone as well because I I've probably tried to read every tweet that Cobb has ever sent out. So I've read things like Jim Morrison   was a starseed. Prince was a starseed.   I've read things like,   Elon Musk is the reincarnated,  

[00:30:14] Unknown:

Nikola Tesla. That's my favorite that's my favorite one. That one's crazy. Crazy.   Insane.  

[00:30:21] Unknown:

It's completely insane, but I love it. So, I mean,   you know, and I've read about the good ones, and I've read about the bad ones. I mean, I've read theories that, like, you know, Ellen DeGeneres is a star seed, but not a good person. I've read theories that Obama is a starseed and not a good person. I mean, I voted for Obama when I was younger. You know what I mean? So you kinda just go through this trial and tribulation in your head of, like, you know, what's real and what's not real.   But I think that where I constantly find myself coming back to as I sort of wrestle with those thoughts, and then me, people like you seem to have similar thoughts. It's like there's something here. Are we all fucking crazy? Maybe. But is there something really going on here? And I do think that, like, as time goes on I mean, obviously, a concept Cobb talks a lot about is the shift, which I'm I'm sure you've heard of. Oh, yeah. This sort of, you know, like,   Thanos snapping his finger concept, but in a positive way. Like Mhmm. All of a sudden,   as Earth comes to this sort of   grand moment of just not grand, but sort of disastrous   apocalyptic things are not going well, then in an instant, we're kinda gonna be yanked out and put to a new planet. That sounds great. Who doesn't love that idea?  

But at the same time, like, you know, being of sane mind, I hope that also is, like, a little challenging to swallow. You know? So I think I I live on both sides of it, but   I'd be lying to you if I said I stopped contributing to my four zero one k at work. I was like, I'm not gonna need it. I'm not gonna be around here when I'm 60. You know what I mean? So I think there are times when I'm, like, super, super deep in it, and I'm like, this this stuff is legit. Like, I I do. And then I think there are other times when,   I'm like, well, hold on a second. You know? Like, what what true proof do I have? I think I go much further down the rabbit hole in the classic proofers that, you know, guys on, like, Reddit   or, like, the communities I kind of, like, check out. It's like they see anything,   like, anything that resembles evidence. So they're like, that's bullshit.  

Like, you're a fraud. And it's like, how are we supposed to make any progress at all if everything we ever see   is bullshit? So but to me, it's also and not to go super off, like,   people that are waiting for disclosure from the government sometimes feel kinda silly to me because it's like they've been hiding this shit forever. Yeah. What are you expecting to hear from the government? Who cares what they have to say? Yeah. Because that's why when you have these alleged starseeds,   these people that can talk to the dead, these people that can   allegedly channel extraterrestrials   like a Bashar,   I'm far more intrigued to listen to those folks   Mhmm. Who seem to have this, you know, not human like ability   than some random dude from The United States Government that might have a script in front of him that's being told to communicate to us a certain way. Anyway, that was, like, 4,000 concepts to explore. But, you know, I always say to people, don't get me started. You know?  



[00:33:07] Unknown:

No. I I it's such a rabbit hole, and there's   it it's connected to everything. It's connected to how you see life. It's connected to how you grew up. It's connected to what's going on in the modern world. It's connected to what happened in the ancient world. You know? It this concept and the things that he's posting about is   it's incredibly deep. It's incredibly   sprawling,   and it touches every corner. So it's like,   I I understand that because, like, I I go through these loops in my head as well. Because, like, I'm thinking about the ancient civilization conversations, and I'm thinking about religious conversations, and I'm thinking about conversations with my mom, and I'm thinking about conversations with my boss. And it's like, all these things are, like, disconnected and intertwined at the same time.   It sort of stresses me out sometimes because it's like, what are the answers?  

Yeah.   But I've been I've been taking more solace in this   in, like, how to, like, live my life,   and,   I've been really trying to lean into, like,   inner peace and, like, meditating   excuse me.   Meditating on inner peace and,   gratitude and compassion   and these things. And I was I've been getting into,   this thing called heart brain heart coherence. I'm not sure if you've heard of that. That's like a, type of meditation where when you put attention on your heart,   more information,   comes from your heart than your brain magnetically and energetically.   And so, like, that's, like, one way you can, like, align yourself with spirit   is when you focus on your heart and meditate on these emotions,   these positive emotions within your heart. And that's,   that's,   that overlaps with people   like Buddha and Jesus and what their real teachings were,   of, like, how to live a good life. And so,   have you thought about that side of things at all throughout this journey? Like,   when it comes because when it comes to spirituality, it's not just aliens. It's also   how you think about,   your own spirit and your own calmness. Like, like, what is your own if you wanna be open about it, what's your own Yeah. Spirituality, your spiritual practice?  



[00:35:16] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I would say   part of this journey also and, you know, part of why I named my podcast the spiritual skeptic is because the spiritual component, like, just became,   so important to me. I also think that,   you know, my father passed in,   2022.   Mhmm. And he and, you know, his death was was hard on me, especially because,   you know, he he was sort of like a disintegration,   if you will. Like, he just, like, was in poor health for a while, and I was sort of always taking care of him.   And,   I saw a medium   because I was actually in Las Vegas, when he had gotten taken to the hospital. And my dad had sort of gotten to this point where   he would   he was bipolar. So most of the time, he was, like, super depressed.  

And then when the, manic side came out or, like, the up of bipolar, if you will,   it would usually escalate to the point of, like, him going to the hospital or him getting into a car accident,   him just doing something crazy,   losing control. And he was a my father was a physician, so he was the one,   managing his own,   medication,   which is dangerous. You know, you have a guy who's really smart,   managing his own medication,   mentally   unwell, alone, in a house, divorced.   My sister was traveling at the time. She was, like, living in Vietnam. So it's really just me about an hour away   coming back to take care of him. So when he went to the hospital when I was in Vegas,   like, obviously, there's one party that's, like, get on a plane right now and go home, like, immediately. Like, you gotta go take care of him. The other part is is, like, this is routine.  

And thank God he's in the hospital because you can't hurt yourself in the hospital.   I'll I'll be home tomorrow kind of vibe. You know?   I came back the next day. I spoke to my dad on the phone. COVID was tough around that time still. He had contracted COVID. So they were like, don't come in. Don't visit him. And then he died that night. So that was obviously very upsetting because you have the guilt of, like, I should have been there.   So then when I saw a medium,   she said to me, she was like, you know, your father is telling me   you could have been there every single day. You could have been there from morning to night. You could have showed up thirty days in a row. It would not have made a difference. I was ready to go. I wanted to die. And that was probably one of the most important things I ever heard in my life. I I needed to hear that because I had this immense guilt that, you know, I should have been there for him. So I think from the spiritual side,   you know, one of the like, stepping back a little bit, like, one of the first books but, you know, that experience makes you spiritual because you understand there's a higher power. You understand that my father underwent a rebirth. You understand that me and my dad were meant to meet and have this experience together, and I was meant to grow that way. I was meant to feel the pain that I felt, and he was meant to have the story that he had. Of course, it was a tragic one, and I didn't want it to end that way. But you have to believe everything happens for a reason. Right? But hearing that from the medium   just gave me this belief in just, like, something bigger, which I I needed to have. I grew up in a very, like, black and white family.  

Like, my family, we are Jewish, but   there was no, like, life after death. There was no, like, real conversations around that ever. My mom is, like, a really practical person.   But I first got into spirituality, like, it's there was this book that came out called,   you are a badass by Jen Sincero. I forget the second part of it. It might be Sincero.   But I think my mom reads that book. I see that book above my mom's toilet all the time. It's, like, it's a great spot to have a book. I have many.   Super popular book, and there was this one part that I I liked her because she was very funny. Like, I I thought that was and that's one thing I try to bring to the alien conversation when I can. I try to bring humor. It's always so serious all the time. You know what I mean? It's like we gotta laugh.   But in her book, she said something   like she was, like, living in, like, Texas or Tennessee. I forget where.  

And,   they were doing line dancing, and she thought it was, like, really stupid.   But then, like, she got a pair of cowboy boots, and then she got a cowboy hat. And then next thing you know, she was, like, dancing her, like, achy breaky heart out every week. She kind of compared that to spirituality.   She was like, it's the same way. It's like,   it doesn't happen overnight.   But if you do bit by bit, piece by piece,   suddenly you can get really into this thing. And I just thought that was such a cool way to describe it and so digestible   versus, like, other stuff that hadn't maybe hadn't resonated with me the same. Or maybe I wasn't ready to hear it at the time. So the first thing to me that kinda came into play then was, like, manifesting of, like, I'd seen my wife manifest. Like, I've witnessed it, like, before me. She's, like, a very   optimistic,   positive,   hardworking   person.  

And, like, I'd see her set goals and accomplish them. She has something like she's a musician,   Ali Schwartz, shameless plug.   She has, like, 12,000,000   streams on Spotify.   She's released songs that have, like, over a million streams. It's unbelievable.   And I've seen her manifest   partnerships   and opportunities   just by putting the thought out there. So to me, like, the first thing was just, like, manifesting. Like, we used to joke, like, in New York City, like, sometimes, like, you sit at a table and you're fucking on top of people. And, like, I don't like, like, too much noise. Like, I don't really like, like, hearing everything someone say next to me. Like, I need, like, just a little bit of space to enjoy comfortably.   But in New York, it's like you're crammed the fucking.  

So we would always joke, like, I'd manifest in advance, like, we're gonna get a sick table. Like, we're just gonna get the best fucking table in the house. And then it just became, like, a theme in our relationship. Like, I was always just really good at making sure we got sick tables, and that was something we would always say. Like, it's gonna be perfect.   So I think as far as my spiritual practice, I mean, obviously, like, you know, I meditate.   I try to do that daily.   I I really try to think positive. I mean, even for this, man, even for this, like, opportunity for this moment, like, I've been saying in my head   forever,   the podcast is going to blow up. I don't know when. I don't know how, but people are gonna listen to it. They're gonna enjoy it. They're gonna laugh. They're gonna resonate. I don't know where they are. I don't know who they are, but I'm gonna find an audience, and that's gonna be my people, and that's gonna be my community. I've been saying that forever. I say it in the shower. I say it in the mirror. I say it while I'm getting dressed in the morning. I just always say that. Obviously, I have my moments where I'm feeling down, where I feel like I wish I was getting more downloads. Who doesn't have that? But I just try to constantly put that positivity out there. Then the other   day, I said,   let me change it. I'm gonna say in the short term, people are gonna start listening to it. People are gonna start discovering it. People are gonna start loving it. That fucking next day, you messaged me, and you said, dude, I I fucking love your podcast. It's hilarious. You should come on my show sometime. You know what I mean? So Yeah. I think I think if you put   positive thoughts out there,   good things come back to you. So I think that's a big part of my my spirit's journey overall because I was not always like that. I used to be   negative,   moody,   of course, that would happen to me   kinda guy. You know? My wife is SpongeBob. I'm Squidward kind of vibe, honestly.  

That that's that's just the truth. Just a negative Nancy. And God bless her for the year she stayed with me as I was sort of just always, you know, moody. And also in, you know, relationships, I I joke around sometimes, like, 99% of fights happen when people are hungry. No one's nice when they're hungry. But   hunger aside,   hopefully, that gives you some insight. But but then for me, it's like the stuff that really,   like, opened up my soul, opened up my mind, opened up my heart, were those, like,   those mediumship experiences. I've seen some really cool, like, tarot card readers as well. There's a woman, like,   20 blocks up from me here on 90 Second And Second. Her name is Veronica. She's a tarot reader. And, I saw her recently, and,   she's really good, but she keeps it fucking real. Like, she tells you how it is.  

And,   you know, she brings a couple cards out. She looks at   me, and the session just started. We're, like, two minutes in. And she just starts making chicken noises.   Just right in my face. I'm like, the fuck are you doing?   And she goes, you know, I know you have your your little podcast, and she's like, and you're too chicken shit to to promote it.   And I was like, I I mean, obviously, she couldn't she couldn't googled my podcast. That's fine. But she couldn't have known I was scared to promote it. She couldn't have known that, like, I wasn't, like, posting about it online all the time. She couldn't have known that. Two seconds in, just chicken noises, you know, and just pulling these different cards and   telling me stuff about my mom and how she's doing, talking to me about my sister, talking to me about my relationship with my wife, you know.  

She doesn't know this stuff, you know. So I think to me, it's just like an overall understanding of, like, there's so much I don't know,   and   I'm a student,   ultimately. I just wanna learn as much as I can.   Yeah. So I'd say that's that's a TLDR,   which is a long TLDR.  

[00:44:09] Unknown:

No, dude. It's it's that that shit's powerful, dude.   What you said about your dad is really impactful to me because my dad died   coming up on ten months ago last August. Oh, man. Very sorry. That's very recent. Yeah. It's it's still super fresh. And so just I'm just been, you know, moving towards it. I feel like I'm a do my best to, like, identify,   like, where I'm at in, like, the grief stages. You know? Just trying to Yeah. Of course. Just trying to be aware of that, and, you know, I and that's happening while I'm   working and meditating and stuff like that. So I think, like, right now, you you're sort of getting me in, like, a I think I've been in, like, the depression stage   for a minute. You know? Nothing too crazy. Like, nothing, like Not yet. Super down, down, down, but, like, I still have motivation to work out and things like this. But just, like, you know, the overall feeling of just, like,   sadness or lowness or, you know, sort of burnt out,   just, you know, just sort of moving through the through that motion. So that's, like, at my dad's death, super impactful. You know, that is the   that's,   like, year zero. That's, like, that's that that that's   what do they call 911? Ground zero? Right. Right. Right. Right. Well, that's, like, that's ground zero for my spiritual   Mhmm. Journey in this era, dude, because   I was present for the last week of his life. He had cancer.  

And   it was so it it was just a surreal moment. It was so crazy, you know, just to to see the   continued   deterioration   of the body.   And then, like, when the moment happened, it was just like   the   it was, like, devastating   and holy at the same time. And so I've sorta that's been, like, a big thing   for me, you know, just, like, thinking about that night, thinking about that moment. And I actually have had him come in my dreams,   since then. And Yeah. That's been a big,   big impact on my spiritual   spiritual journey. He hasn't said anything to me,   but, there's been moments where I just sort of see him standing. You know? He's, like, standing in the kitchen of of my childhood home and just, like, smiling at me.  

But the biggest thing that happened to me that really   that really made me,   I don't know, just, like,   trust that my spiritual journey is, like, authentic is, I had this dream. It was, like, September, I think.   So he died in August.   I'm waking up or   I'm sleeping in September. Right? And I have this dream where I I'm in my childhood home, and I'm standing in my living room, and I see him sitting on the couch, just casual.   And   but I'm aware that he's dead. Right? And and I know that, like, this is a different entity. This is different, but it's my dad. And I go over to him.   Sorry. I'm not crying. I'm like, I'm I'm getting over a cold. I sound  

[00:47:06] Unknown:

Not crying, bro. Alright?   Cool. That's something in both my eyes.  

[00:47:12] Unknown:

But I go over to him, and I sit on the couch, and,   he I I see him how I, like, remember him as, and I was, like, in his mid thirties when I was, like, a little child. So he's, like, fresh. Like, he's he he he looks good.   And, I say to him,   I just wanna feel you touch my back.   And then I'm sorta, like, laying on my stomach on the couch in front of him,   and then I   physically   felt his hand on my back.   And then the moment he touches me, I'm feeling   electricity   in my back, and it's, like, in my mid back. Right? I'm feeling, like, shock   in my mid back,   and I'm, like, twitching. You know? I'm, like, convulsing in the dream.  

And then   before I knew it, I'm waking up in real life,   and I'm actually, like, convulsing   in real life. My body is, like, shaking,   and my and my back is spasming.   And I'm, like, dry heat dry heat. Like,   and I'm just like, what the I I wake up, and I'm like, what the fuck is going on?   And,   I didn't expect it to happen, of course. And   it took, like, five minutes for my body to calm down, and   I'm just sort of just, like, you know, stretching out my back a bit. Like, holy shit. What is going on with that? And Right. You know, that that made me really believe that I had a real encounter   with the soul   and,   just the whole concept of   of, like, the soul being real, their, like, souls coming from other places, you know, that really that was a big,   big signal to me that everything that I've been reading from Cabe   was real and authentic. Because   if souls are real and they can interact with me like that,   what else is real? You know? Maybe there's other souls on other planets. Maybe everything he's been sharing is is real. Maybe UFOs can   cloak themselves to be clouds or invisible,   and there are secret bases in Sedona and Antarctica   and elsewhere.  

Right.   You know, what else that is unseen   can actually   manifest in the physical?   And so that moment actually that that moment specifically had a big impact on me. And so,   that's been a big thing   with me, man. So it's crazy that your dad died too, dude. I feel like and I have so many friends in the last year whose whose dads have died as well. So I'm not sure if that's, like,   a recency bias. You know? Like, you buy a Prius, and all of a sudden, everyone has a Prius. Everyone got a Prius. Yeah.   Or maybe and and I don't know. And death isn't like buying a car, but, like, it is strange. I actually have, like, close friends whose whose dads have died.   And so I've sort of   it's not like a group.  

We don't have a group chat, but, like, there is, like, a group of people that I know that I can   talk to,   who are who know what I've been going through, and I know what they've been going through on some level. So that's been a that's been deeply spiritual, dude. Like, have you experienced more   positive,   spirituality, or, like, are you still, like, dealing with the death of your dad? Like, what's that been like for you?  

[00:50:26] Unknown:

I think that   learning more about, like, spirituality and learning more about life after death and learning more about reincarnation,   I feel at peace with it. I think you have moments, obviously,   where you miss,   you know, where I miss my dad, of course. Like, I   a lot of times when I'm at the gym, if it's, like,   super quiet in the gym, I'm not to serve anybody, I like to just call people, like, catch up, give my mom a call, give my sister a call, give some friends a call.   Probably, like,   four to five months ago, I went to give, my dad a ring without even thinking about it. I just, like but it was just routine.   That, like, that hits you. You know what I mean? Because you're like, fuck. You know? He's not on the other end of the phone. But I think that,   you know, I would say you're you're overdue for a medium reading. They say definitely don't do it for first three months because it's super raw, and it's still raw for me when my dad passed away in 2022. So you're on the you're on the raw end of the spectrum, obviously. I I have close friends whose fathers have passed. One of my friends when he was very young, one of my friends a couple years before mine, and we definitely sort of we have, like, a dark sense of humor about it too. You know what I mean? I I heard somewhere online. It's like, you know who loves dead dad jokes? People whose dads are dead. You know, who doesn't love them? People whose dads are not dead, which makes complete sense. So Yeah. My friends and I like our you know, when   we get together, we can have some pretty dark humor,   but, you know, like, big Bill Burr fans and stuff like that. So Oh, yeah.  

So, like, that kind of humor, like, resonates with us sort of, like, direct, ridiculous, out there,   inappropriate.   So we joke around, which, you know, you kinda need. You you need that in a way. But   on the spiritual side, like, you know, I I believe   my dad   was   entranced   by   quantum mechanics, which is random, but he was, like, obsessed with it. He would watch documentary   after documentary,   like, through the wormhole,   learning about black holes, learning about space. Like, he watched so many documentaries about that. He was obsessed with Star Trek. He was obsessed with Star Wars.   So I I do believe my dad was probably a starseed as well or probably starseed bros.  

The person who took it harder, I think, is my sister. The medium that we saw and,   you know, you can't believe everything that a medium tells you because sometimes their own thoughts can get in the way. But she said that my dad and my sister were soulmates.   So my sister took it really, really hard. Like, my sister, like,   she had to walk a my dad's name was, Bernard. We called him Bernie. She had to walk a dog named Bernie recently, and she was, like, hysterically crying over it. You know?   So   but I I think what I envisioned for my dad is is peace. And anytime I've seen   a medium, the one,   theme that comes up over and over again,   also in other medium readings I've watched, like Tyler Henry on Netflix, if you ever seen him, he's a very famous medium. No. You'd probably dig the show, Surviving Death. That's a fucking crazy show. I don't know if it's all real, but they go in on mediums.  

And I really enjoyed that show. And the one theme that comes up time and time again is,   guilt.   Guilt for not being,   there for them more.   Mhmm. Thinking you could have done something, thinking you could have done, like, everybody has that. And, like, the message that comes back, like, again and again   is the spirit, the soul   doesn't want you to have that. It's a human manifested emotion. It's certainly not what the soul feels because the soul, my father, your father, I mean, they're free. They're on fucking vacation right now. You know? Mhmm. That's how I see it. Like, can't wait to get to where they are. I don't wanna die. I wanna keep experiencing this life. But   so for me,   obviously, like, you know, you have your moments where   you profoundly miss that person. And it was tough for my dad similar to your dad because   the deterioration was the worst part. There was,   you know, and it's even hard to say out loud, but a slight relief when my dad died because,   you know, we had gotten to the point of, like,   we probably weren't far off where I would have had to, like, help him, like, change his underwear kind of vibe. You know what I mean? Like, he was at, like, the fucking end. Like, you know, just not using the bathroom the right way, not able to support himself when he was moving.  

So that's not how I wanna remember my dad. You know what I mean? Like, my dad was my hero. Like, I always looked up to the guy. Super successful guy, busted his ass his whole life, great sense of humor,   great family man. You know?   So,   of course, you do have those moments. But I think what keeps me sane,   what keeps me happy,   what keeps me,   present   is knowing that ultimately, one, he's with me, you know, and and his life goes on. Two, we've we've known each other before.   Three, we were meant to have the experience we were meant to have. And four, he's in a better place, you know, as they always say. Doesn't matter what religion you are, he's in a better place. So I guess that's where I sort of lie, you know, spiritually on that spectrum.   Mhmm.  



[00:55:35] Unknown:

It's I mean, I I agree with you on all that, dude. It's it it blows my mind how   there's any sort of narrative that   isn't that positive. Like, how come humans   haven't always   sought the most positive   idea   when it comes to these things. You know? It's like,   some people   wanna proclaim about hell, and some people wanna proclaim of, like, life just ends, and it's just blackness. It's like,   why even entertain that? You know? Because   the idea of your dad being with you and   there being a plan   for the life that you lived with him,   that's just so much more useful.  

It's just like it's For sure. Yeah. Much more practical   than anything else. Like, it's so practical. Like, of of course,   there was a plan. Of course, my dad and I made a plan to become our human selves and and live the life we lived and have the relationship that we did. And, you   know, and luckily, my dad was loving. And I   the the the lessons and the message that he sort of left behind was   that you're able to transform himself. You know? Because he he he had a his whole faith journey   to get with my mom. My mom was a pastor's kid, and my dad was just a guy   drinking beer and getting into fights. And he loved my mom so much. He was willing to change his life and go to church and, you know, change his perspective on things, change his behavior   to be a bit more healthy so he could sustain a marriage and have kids and run a business. And,   you know, there being a plan for those things to happen, for that for those lessons to to come forward,   it just seems so much   better to me than it just being random or it being   it it leading up to nothing. Like, I I don't know. So, hopefully, like, as we move as humans move forward in time, I feel compelled to just, like, try to give people hope that they're   things are not random.  

You know? Things are not just, like, willy nilly out here in space. Like, there's actually   a track. You know? There's some sort of a goal, and there's some sort of, you   know, there's some sort of criteria   when it comes to or I should take maybe curriculum.   You know? You know what the lesson is. You know what the little details are, but how you implement it, how you   really read about it, how you engage with it, that's life. And And so it just seems more useful to me. So I I I just really appreciate that you're sort of experiencing something similar,   that, you know, there's a there was a purpose to your dad living, and that was   to engage with you and to, you know, just to live that that good life with you, man. So   good on you for understanding that, dude. That's a powerful thing.  



[00:58:19] Unknown:

Appreciate it.  

[00:58:21] Unknown:

Same to you. Yeah, man. It's it's it's a crazy journey, dude. It's,   I didn't   no one thought   that like, I I I'm not sure if anyone really thinks this, but, like, I I would talk to my mom sometimes after he he passed. And   my mom would say things like,   you know, like, ten years ago,   we weren't even thinking about this possibility.   Uh-huh. Like, there because I'm 28 right now. And and she would say, Cole, there was nothing in my head that would make me think   that when you're 27,   you would have to   not have a dad anymore.   Like, there's nothing because, you know, because my my my family is very lucky. My grandparents are still alive. And so,   like, it's like every like, my my grandparents lost a child, and   the kids lost a father. It's like every every generation   was impacted by this,   which is not, like, the common cycle   of things. And it's like so you never really think about what you're gonna experience. You can never plan   on that. And so it just   sort of surrendering to that, surrendering to, like,   I don't know what I'm gonna experience,   but I also have the capabilities of manifesting   what I want to experience.  

And so, like, where I'm at now is, like, I want to experience healing, and I want to experience   immense growth from this. And I want this to just upgrade   myself. I wanna up I want my life to be upgraded from this experience and not   deterred or anchored down or hindered in any way, shape, or form. Like, it's only going to   help me. You know? That's what I want. You know? I don't I don't feel that right now. Like, I feel   sad and depressed, but, like,   I'm fighting towards that, like, towards that North Star. Like, this will bring me to something better. This will bring me to something brighter.  

[01:00:10] Unknown:

So I don't know. Just a random thought I had. No. No. I mean, that's cool. I I think you're you're spot on.   I mean, I think in the immediate aftermath,   and   the aftermath   period   is whatever length of time that person requires. You know, grief is different for everybody,   But no one is certainly thinking like, this is gonna make me a better person. You know? It's kind of like, well, this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me. You know? Like, you don't think that in the moment. But I think over time as you   you come more at peace,   with it,   you know, it's still always a scar. Right? Like, it always kinda lives on you as, like, that scar tissue,   but you end up just sort of crystallizing   it and thinking about it in a different way. And   you can maybe just have that half smirk on your face when,   I don't know, you're, like, walking down the street and   I I see a restaurant named Bernie's out of nowhere. And I'm like, what's up, dad? And then you just kinda   keep on keeping on. You know? So it lives with you, but, it lives with you in a different type of way. It's not it's not pain and sorrow and depression and sadness,   but,   you know, a scar, but   happiness kind of looking back on it all. Because for sure, like,   my dad died young. He was 68.  

I think that's young.   So never in a million years   did I think I'd be I'm 36 now, so I didn't think I'd be I thought my parents would be around for fucking ever, man. You know what I mean? You don't think about that kind of stuff. You know? Because it's just a blessed life. So Mhmm. When it happens, it just, you know, it shocks you. So for sure. Yeah, man.  

[01:01:48] Unknown:

Yeah. I feel that way in terms of, like, random things hitting me. I felt they recently rereleased,   that Star Wars movie,   revenge of the Sith. And, like, my dad took me to that when that came out when I was eight years old. So I was, like, rewatching that. I was like, I love this movie. But, like, I said, for sure. I have that memory. I have that movie theater memory   with my dad.   And then,   I like, so I love movies. Right? I moved out to LA to make movies, and my dad always supported that.   And, I have, like, these deep memories, just, like, core memories of just, like, watching Mission Impossible with my dad. And so now we got this like, the last Mission Impossible coming out right now. So, like, now I'm watching Tom Cruise interviews thinking about my dad.   Of course.  

Just silly stuff. Like, thank you, Tom Cruise. It's that scene in Talladega Nights. Like, help me, Tom Cruise.  

[01:02:42] Unknown:

No. I mean, I get that, though, man. I mean, me me and my dad went to the movie theater to see   Star Wars for sure. I remember   Jar Jar Binks,   I forget which one, was in the movie. And I was like, what's up with that guy? And he was like, just watch the movie, Seth. You know what I mean? I was like, super young. I just kept asking questions.   Hell yeah.   So, yeah, I mean, certain things trigger the memories for sure, but, you know, it it leads to gratitude for the memories too as well, which is which is nice.  

[01:03:09] Unknown:

Yes. Yeah, man.   A lot of gratitude. Focusing on gratitude.   When it comes to your podcast,   are you gonna get into, like,   the spiritual soul side, or are you just gonna focus on the alien UFO stuff? What's that been like?  

[01:03:26] Unknown:

That's a good question. I definitely do wanna get into the spiritual stuff. There was,   I I'm I frequent, Reddit a lot to get advice on podcasting, and then there was a guy,   in New York City who works at,   a podcast studio that basically said, like, hey.   We're looking to make more relationships with people. Like, come in, like, have an hour on us, video and audio on the house. And I was like, that's dope. So that was my first time doing video. That was very recently,   and that was sort of an approach of, like,   five unconventional   but spiritual lessons,   you know, from   a TLDR. That's it. Mhmm. Because we've all heard   the have gratitude,   meditate,   journal,   take a mental health day. They call it wellness days at my company now. Take a wellness day. Like, all of that stuff has been said   time and time again. So we've already talked about it. But to me, the spiritual stuff is, like,   with reincarnation,   that is super spiritual to me because I'm Jewish, for example, and I have family in Israel, and I'm sure that they are not fans of Palestinian people.  

Mhmm. I believe that if I was Jewish in this life, I was probably Palestinian in a past life. That's my belief. I've been every race. I've been every religion. I've been every color.   So it's very silly to feel hatred towards people   because you're just hating a different version of yourself in a different life. I believe that. So to me, that's quite spiritual because   if all of a sudden the government came out and was like, hey. Just so you guys know, you've been reincarnating forever and the person that you hate was probably you last time. They'd be like, woah. What the fuck are we fighting about? You know what I mean? Like so that's sort of my belief.   Life after death, obviously, is is everything we just talked about, you know, and all these sort of spiritual thoughts that come with that. I think a big thing that I took away from Cobb and the family of Taygeta is   I often see them talk about,   giving   and just, like, acts of service for other people. I run into a lot of,   sad characters here in New York City,   you know, have some sort of, like, mental health condition, homeless,   unwell.  

So I've tried to be more present in those moments because it's really easy in a in a city like New York City when it's so prevalent to be totally numb to those things. You don't even, like, think about. I remember, like, years ago,   my friends and I left this improv class, and there is this man walking with a cane, and he was just hysterically crying, just hysterical.   And, like, none of us even processed it. This is like a group of, like, 30 different people,   every race, every religion, every demographic, and all 30 of us just kept walking,   which is really insane if you think about it. Me too. Like, I I'm not proud thinking back on that. Something they talk about a lot from the family of Taygeta as well,   which is like a pretty trippy concept, is the idea of,   by local service. So they have this theory that they talk about, which is there are extraterrestrials   that have the ability to both be in space, and then at any given moment,   kind of like, an X Men or, something like that, populate themselves on earth to be   a a human being or, you know, sort of shape shift in a kind of way for a particular reason.  

I feel like I have had so when I did my,   I I did, like, a consultation with Judith who is,   Cobb's mom from the family to get to, and she was like, you have had experiences in your life where you have interacted with Pleiadians. You wouldn't know it because they wouldn't show up as a Pleiadian,   but you've interacted with them. And, of course, that could just be a person feeding me BS. But if I'm choosing to live in it and to believe in it,   there have been moments in my life where people have come to my rescue   or looked out for me or just spoken to me and have left a lasting impression on me. And maybe that person in that moment was an extraterrestrial   just right in my face. Something that comes to mind, is   I was on the train years ago on the subway, and sometimes you just have strange interactions on the subway. There's a lot of, unfortunate characters on the subway who, you know, need their own version of help. And this guy was just staring at me. He's just kinda, like, mean mugging me from across the train. And out of nowhere,   he just looks at me and he goes, yo, I should fuck you up. Like, he just says that to me out of nowhere. I'm I'm literally just standing there not saying where my headphones on.  

And, this other guy   gets up, like, immediately and just, like, restrains the dude. He was like, don't, like, talk to him like that,   and just completely deescalate the situation. Like, before I could even move any further,   he didn't acknowledge me. He didn't look at me, and then he was just gone.   And I feel like I've had   sort of these random moments throughout my life. It could just be, you know, humans being kind. It could be,   these sort of, like, extraterrestrial   connections. I don't know. I don't even know I ended up on that thought, to be totally honest with you. But, That's a great story, man. That's really cool.  

[01:08:30] Unknown:

Yeah. Really cool, dude. I wish I could, like, point to a moment like that I had with that. Like, that's   that's really powerful, dude. I mean, I don't I'm not sure if I've ever had an an experience like that before, but I   did do the consultation with with Judith as well. Oh, nice. Nice.   I've paid,   paid that money. It it's funny because, like, whenever people wanna, like, be skeptical about these things, it's like Always hard. What's the money side of it, and, like, what are they selling? The hardest part. Yeah. And I've sort of been like, well, they just have a buy me a coffee page. Like, that's what you're   paying into. So it's like that's it's like, is that a cult? You know what I mean? It's like, how are you are you wasting your money if you give Tarantino's   podcast money or, or the spiritual   lady money?  

But,  

[01:09:16] Unknown:

It's a good point, though. And it is fair. Right? Yeah. The red flag definitely goes up when you just have these sort of, like, potentially all knowing individuals sharing information that say, hey. You wanna learn more? Give me money. I've had experiences with people,   that are kind of like, this looks pretty bad. You better give me $20 more so I can tell you. Right? So nothing has ever really given me   pause to be like, what's really going on here? But you can't help but think of it. But anyway, please, I I wanna hear more about what you're gonna say. Yeah. I mean, I was just gonna say, like, $4 a month. You know? That's like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can live with that. Yeah. Which cults are $4 a month, dude? Please Not many. Not many. Typical cult is rather expensive. I I have extensive, experience with Benny. So Exactly.   Recovering cult guy, and I've and I've, you know, really sank my life saving into those cults. But, yeah, that's true. Did you do, like, the the soul reading or whatever? Yeah. I did soul reading one and two, and then I did a consultation.  



[01:10:09] Unknown:

And so she told me she didn't tell me   how many times I've incarnated. I'd also I asked that one. Yeah. You asked that one? Okay. Yeah. I did not ask.   I forget the questions that I clearly asked, but I remember for this for, like, the soul name reveal,   my my my soul's name is Liasaki.  

[01:10:27] Unknown:

I thought I thought that was cool.  

[01:10:29] Unknown:

Sound I sound like a samurai.  

[01:10:31] Unknown:

In the Yeah. That that's got some I think mine is,   Epikiso   Oomakitech.   First time I ever said it out loud. I named my headphones that. One of my, my Bluetooth.  

[01:10:43] Unknown:

That's that's Stoney's new brand.  

[01:10:45] Unknown:

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So I didn't tell I I pulled off. I'm like, there you go. What's up, bro? That's awesome, dude. Did you, find out if you were a star suit? Did she tell you that?  

[01:10:55] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, yeah. She said my soul's name is Liasaki, and I'm from Solano. And I Oh, that's the Pleiades? Yeah. Yeah. Pleiades.   And   I I should have asked more clarifying questions, I guess. I I think I need to do it again because, like, I It's a trippy experience.  

[01:11:11] Unknown:

Yeah. It's like you I was told I had, like, 19 children, and I had a home that was octagon shaped, and, you know, there's dragons flying around. I mean, it's it's the kind of thing where it's like you read it and you're like   you're kinda like Job in Arrested Development. I've made a huge mistake. You know?   You have you have that thought because, like, you know, obviously, logic dictates, like, this is crazy. Like, this is fucking nuts. But she told me that my house was made from a single crystal.  

[01:11:38] Unknown:

I have a statue   of the elder of Solano in my house. I got giraffes   running in my backyard.  

[01:11:46] Unknown:

And Fairies. Just, like, crazy shit. Yeah. Like, that's, like, so deep down the rabbit hole. So it's it's it's crazy, but it is interesting of, like Very I said to her, I was like I was like, you said that I   my soul origin   was of the Pleiades. Can you please confirm? Does that mean I'm a starseed?   And then she obviously said yes. And I was like, damn. I was like, so is that what this is all about? Is this, like, obsession?   Is this drive to learn more? Is this also me being just a fucking weird human? You know what I mean? You know how many years it took me to   understand how to socialize with people,   understand how to, like, read people,   understand how to, like, be in a relationship. Like, I was like, I used to watch the show Dexter when I was younger, and he's a killer. I'm not a murderer.  

But you've like that. But you felt you felt like that. I felt the disconnect that he felt often. Like, how do people so comfortably   interact with each other? You know? And I like, you know, I'm I'm older now, but,   I've I've felt that sort of, like,   misunderstanding   of humanity, not on this deep, like, I don't know why people are nicer to each other. Just like, I just don't get you guys. Like, I just don't get you. So I I think, like, as I learned more about starseeds up to that point, because they talk about it a lot   on Reddit. You know? Like, I never felt homesickness. I never had extraterrestrial   contact to my knowledge.  

I never felt like   my home was somewhere else.   But I did always sort of feel this, like,   strange word, alienation. You know what I mean? Just sort of like,   we're not not the same, but we're different. And not in me thinking about myself in some special kind of way,   but more so just, like,   feeling out of place.   So to hear that, I think, was   very interesting for me. And then all of a sudden, I'm making a podcast about it being like, this is the all knowing. Go get a fucking soul. I've I've had friends. I'm like, go get a soul rating, bro. I'm like, let's find out. You a starseed or not? I made my sister do it.   So, yeah, I'm I'm super into it. Wow. That's cool, dude.  



[01:13:57] Unknown:

Yeah. I think I did I I I gotta go to her again because it was actually fairly useful stuff,   what she gave me for, like, advice and, like, creating and and things like this.   But, you know, I I didn't do it. I think the last time I did it was, like, December, so maybe I should,   just save up some cash, save up that $33,  

[01:14:16] Unknown:

and I'll do it again. Yeah. Save up that cash. I mean, she, encouraged me to keep going on my podcast. She specifically said that. I asked her. I was like, I, you know, I do I used to do, like,   there's so many opportunities to do stand up comedy in in New York City. So I used to, like, jump to a bunch of open mics. I had a couple of friends who are into it as well. You could you could go down one block and just, you know, hit, like, multiple mics. So I used to do a lot of stand up. I used to do a lot of improv.   Used to do a lot of, like, humor writing, just, like, writing in general.  

So I was kinda saying to her, like, you know, like, I wanna find, like, my creative outlet. Like, I feel good when I create.   And then she specifically was like, you know, I wanna encourage you to keep going with your podcast. So to me, that was like,   hey. If that's what Judith says, then Yeah. I I yep. You know? Let's keep going.  

[01:15:03] Unknown:

I I yeah. I gotta be more specific with my questions. Like, sometimes my questions are very general. It was like I think one question I had was like, how can I maximize my life?   It's just some super general thing. I get that, though. Yeah. Like, I just not knowing exactly what to ask. You know? That that's been, like, sometimes a a a an issue for me, like, not knowing the exact question to ask, or I sometimes ponder on, like, am I asking the right question to myself?   Or, like, before any of this before I even moved out to LA, I was I would always think about, like, am I praying the right prayer? Am I thinking about god the right way? And so, like, I I sort of get caught up in that sometimes. I get caught up in my own head and thoughts.  

[01:15:44] Unknown:

I mean, I think it makes sense. I didn't really know what to ask her either. Mhmm. If I was using chat g p t a lot back then, I've probably been like, what are some good questions to ask an oracle? You know? Like, I didn't really have them top of mind. I think what I became obsessed with was   I had seen a lot of practitioners. Like, when I got, like, super into it wasn't aliens first. It was just,   you know, alien like peep people, mediums, tarot, astrologer, like, whatever,   channelers.   I just like, I literally was, like, meeting with animal communicators, people that call themselves pet psychics, authors,   people that did progression therapy that helped you remember   extraterrestrial contact if you had it before,   people who remembered their past lives, people who had children who remembered their past lives. Like, I met with, like, so many fucking people.  

That's something that's cool about, like, the UFO, alien spiritual community is, like, since I think people are coming more open to it, but since   and to some people, it's a little bit like,   social suicide is the wrong way to put it, but, like, since some people view it that way, you know, you can access some unbelievable people in this space   more easy. Like, I'm not gonna go on a podcast with LeBron James tomorrow. Yeah. But, realistically, I can find some really cool people in this space that really might not be far off from being the LeBron James of the space, you know, which is, like, really dope to me. And I had a lot of great conversations and reached out to a lot of really cool, like, authors. Barbara Lam was one person I reached out to. I don't know if she's still practicing, but Barbara was, like,   one of the first people   I saw,   in a documentary.  

She was in a documentary called, ET's Among Us. I think it was number four.   And I met with her, and she was like, the director just gave me the mic and told me to talk. And she was the first person I ever saw ever   talk about   extraterrestrials in a positive way, and I thought that was, like, super captivating.   Mhmm. So then, like, I she does regression therapy. So if people will get abducted by the grays, as you might know, the grays would then   wipe those memories or put screen memories in so they didn't remember. So I thought maybe since I was so obsessed, I had been abducted. So I, like, hired her for a session to see if I was. That wasn't the case, but it was still just, like, a super cool,   experience. I don't know how I ended up on that point, though. Where were we at the beginning of that?  



[01:18:04] Unknown:

Who even knows? They had done.   I'm just vibing.  

[01:18:09] Unknown:

No. Yeah. But, I mean, I guess also,   thinking back towards Judith, that's where I came from. I became obsessed with   understanding,   are these people I'm interacting with frauds? Yeah. That's what I really wanted to know. Here's this person's Instagram. Here's their website.   Are they legit?   Because I've been taking their word   in many ways as gospel.   Mhmm. And there was one person I've been interacting with. I don't wanna, you know, get to in the weeds of   that person's identity because even if what they were doing wasn't legit, I don't need to, you know, dox them.   But or maybe I should. I don't know. But,   Judith was kind of like,   I watched what you just sent me, and it made me laugh out loud. This is not legitimate.  

I don't want to come off   negative. I don't wanna come off   like a hater, you know, in layman's terms. Mhmm. But do not give your person that money. And that was kinda like, goddamn.   And then there's the wrestling of, like,   but should I be giving you money? Like, can I really trust you? You know?  

[01:19:13] Unknown:

So so she was telling you she was telling you to not pay someone for spiritual information,  

[01:19:20] Unknown:

and that's what that was, like, a little thing for you? Like That became, like, the rabbit hole for me. I was like, well, what do you need? Because I've been spending a lot of time with this person. I've been   not only,   we were I was sort of doing with this person, like,   I would help them out with, like, aspects of their business, and then they would give me, like,   spiritual advice. And one thing   that this person did was not only mediumship, but also channeling. Mhmm. So it was, like, a rather, like,   profound thing to witness when they do it.   To my understanding,   the promises this person was making,   the things on their website   were illegitimate.  

So that was kind of like a,   oh, shit. But then also, like, from my wife's perspective, it was like,   you shouldn't just listen to one person tell you it's not legit, and then that's just the word. Yeah. But that was kind of,   like, where I went, with that. And then also just the   fascination of, like, who are these undercover Pleiadians I've been interacting with? Like Yeah.   Who could that be? And, you know, there's there's more that are in my head too of just these random encounters I've had that were, like, just crazy. You know? Mhmm.  

[01:20:27] Unknown:

So what do you think about,   like, the immediate future, dude? Like,   are you sort of just, like, disconnected from the world now because you have information about   the quote, unquote coming shift to new Earth?   And, like, how do you think about your,   like, your life, like, day by day? Like, do you are you struggling with finding meaning if you think this is all gonna happen? Like, what's that been like for you?  

[01:20:55] Unknown:

No. I mean, I think something that's interesting that Judith kinda shared,   again, not to keep bringing up the family of Figuettes, but I do love him,   is, like, as time goes on,   the human side of you aligns with the soul side of you,   which really just is like, you know, it's like the ultimate, like, phoenix rising metaphor. Like, you become more of who you truly are. My identity   as Seth is not truly who I am. My identity allegedly is, you know, the extraterrestrial,   the starseed in origin.   So as time goes on, I feel like   I know myself better. I become more of who I was meant to be and perhaps closer to whatever my purpose might be, which could be just talking about this kind of stuff. You know? Helping bridge a gap between the insanity of how it sounds and the reality of it. So I think that I also think that   I mean, listen, man. Cobb, like, talks a lot about, like, what's to come and, you know, some of it is sobering. Right? Like,   just so you guys know there's gonna this is his words. Like, there's gonna be more fighting.  

There's gonna be more strife. There's gonna be more economic challenges.   Things are going to be at their absolute worst before their best. I mean, he posted at one point, he was like, I'd recommend having three weeks worth of food, three weeks worth of water. I'd have,   a weapon for protection.   I would have   preparation if there was a blackout. You know, you're like, holy shit. Like and you know what's funny is because, like, when my dad was younger,   we lived, in the suburbs, and hurricane Sandy,   came through.   It didn't hit us too bad. Thank god. But   my dad was obsessed with having a generator, like, obsessed.  

And we would roast him. We'd be like, what do we need a generator for you, doomsday prepper? Like, what are you talking about?   Also, we didn't have power for three weeks, and the guy was, you know, a hero. So   I think,   you know, my wife thinks it's strange when I'm, like, ordering extra cases of water to stuff into a little closet in our in our apartment. She's like, what are you doing, you nut job?   So I think that, you know, you you straddle the line between   I'm becoming more of who I am. I'm growing spiritually.   I'm learning to put myself out there. I'm attracting   people that are within my tribe, within my community. You know, it is possible that we know each other, and we're just two alien homies that used to hang out. And we're on a little journey here together, you know, in life and having our dead dads and struggle in a little bit at times, but,   didn't mean that in a bad way, obviously. No. I'm Deep dead dad club. I'm I'm a part of it. Club. You are a part of it, man, and and you are more than welcome to be a part of it. You're you're you're still new. You're only ten months deep, but, you know, you're putting the work in. I'm kidding. But, I'm paying I'm paying my dues still. You're you're paying your dues. You're paying and my friends say I'm paying you know, my one of my best friend's dad died when he was, eight. And he always makes, like, ridiculous jokes. Like, I don't know if you ever watched Curb Your Enthusiasm.  

Yeah. But,   there's a moment in Curb where   Larry David says, let's roll. And, like, claps his hand, and then a rabbi he's with gets really offended. He's like, how could you say that? He's like, you knew my father or someone died on 09/11.   And Larry is like, with all due respect, he was on 50 Seventh Street. It's just ridiculous.   So, like, one of my buddies, like, I'll just say random stuff. I'll be like, man, like, I go for Chinese food tonight. He could be like, how how could you say that? Like, you knew my dad loved Chinese. It was just, like, stupid. You know? Like, his dad died when he was eight, and we'll just joke around like that. But I think I feel   I think   over time,   hopefully, what we're going to see more of is more crafts in the skies,   more conversations   on social media,   more people starting to get it,   more people realizing something's up.  

I think, unfortunately,   twisted in that is gonna be a little bit of mayhem, a little bit of chaos. I think it's gonna be really, really important in those times to kinda, like, you know, cleanse your aura,   meditate,   get your sunlight,   ground your feet in grass. I don't know. You know, whatever gets you back to normal. Mhmm.   I'm not an all knowing person.   I'm not an oracle. I don't know shit. Right?   But I do. I'm certainly, you know, an investigator. Right? So that's what I've   investigated. So I think be prepared,   but also,   do what you love. Right? If theoretically,   you know, all this is gonna be gone I've seen on Cobb's website 2030,   because, you know, the the cabal has evil plans or something like that. You know, if that's really true and all that crazy stuff is true, then   I mean,  

[01:25:34] Unknown:

it almost reminds me of the go ahead. I I I I want the shift to happen, like, before the Olympics. That's just, like, some weird thing to me. Like,   I would love to have some, like,   perfected world by 2028,   and then LA will be awesome   somehow.  

[01:25:50] Unknown:

That would be dope.   Yeah. I've I've heard '20 I mean, something on his side is like the cabal has some sort of plan   to do some evil shit by 2030.   Yeah. And they're gonna go for it anyway because they know they have nothing to lose because the shift is gonna happen, but, allegedly, there is a, you know, a plan to move things along. You know, obviously, like, conversation of how my wife, she's like, okay. So let's say twenty thirty comes around, then all of a sudden, Cobb is like, you know, due to an error and the system is gonna be another five years, how are you gonna feel? And I'm like, I don't fucking know. I might not be so happy. You know what I mean? I'd be like, there were promises made, come. Yeah.   Get me the fuck off planet Earth for starters.  

Yeah. But I think we'll see. You know, I I don't think I'm,   all knowing enough to be like, here's what I would do, podcast listeners, if I was you. But, hopefully, something we discussed along the way can be applicable to people. Mhmm.  

[01:26:41] Unknown:

Yeah, man. It's just something I've been, like, sort of struggling with right now. Maybe just because I'm still grieving. You know? It's that that those emotions are still so fresh.   The ideas of just, like, future and just, like, living my life. You know? I'm just sort of just this guy in LA work I'm I'm just working at a kitchen. You know? I'm just like a a prep cook at a steakhouse.   And it's like I have these other goals of making movies, and then I see   the industry is, like, changing and morphing. And it's like, well, I don't really care about,   like, the system at large. I don't care about being   liked by Hollywood. I just wanna, like, express myself. That's always been my biggest thing. I just wanna   tell the stories that I wanna tell, and I wanna make sure I'm expressing myself and directing and being a good leader for my people who are around me and   wanting that system to be somewhat fair. You know? I don't wanna, like, screw anyone over. I want my people to be paid well. But it's like, how can that even happen when   everything is going to change and everything is, like, sort of crumbling? And   and so it's just like,   I've been sort of, like, caught in between of, like, negative emotions of, like, what's happening   and the the destruction of things, but then believing that there will be a more beautiful world coming into view soon   and just, like, trying to just pay my freaking bills at the same time.  

Right. It's like, damn. How do I even and then it's like, oh, I should manifest a better life for myself. Okay. How do I fucking do that? Yeah. Yeah. I I can't even you know, it's it's like I know what to do, but I don't know what to do. And I love doing this podcast, and I love making movies. And it's like there I I I've made two short films, and I can tell you with a with a clear conscious that   the the making of those   short films, I felt at peace. And   it was like time didn't exist, and it was just,   like,   a beautiful creation. You know? I was able to focus on something   that, you know,   I was just able to to focus on creating something, and that and that brought real joy to myself. And it's like, how do I do that on a bigger scale? How do I just   how can I thrive   while doing something that I love? And then I guess there's this fear that I have of that not being able to be accomplished. You know? Like, I have to have a normal job.  

I have to, you know, I I at least I need a full time job because the the movie thing is not full time.   And so, you know, the the it's just, like, random stuff like that that that that keeps,   circling through my head of, like, how how can I actually do this when   it's going to get worse?  

[01:29:14] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, it definitely resonates. Right? I think I have   days where I wake up and I have anxiety, and there are things on my to do list, personal, professional.   And,   you know, like, I remember I was talking to one of my buddies one time, who was in a new relationship,   and   he's, like, super skeptical. And I was, like, kinda talking to him about aliens.   And   he had been saying to me for a while, he felt really uncomfortable taking, like, a shit at his girlfriend's apartment. He was like, we're just not there yet. He's like, I just feel genuinely uncomfortable.   So I was, like, selling him on aliens. I was like, dude, you gotta believe this stuff. I mean, this is really life changing. And then he was like, great. I believe it. But guess what? Still gotta pay bills and still feel weird taking a shit in my girlfriend's apartment.  

And I was like, man, if there's ever a fucking honest PSA. Right? So I think I I resonate with that. Right? Like, I I wanna make money. I wanna grow my career. I wanna do a good job. I wanna have nice things. I wanna travel. If my mom ever needs help, I wanna help her out. Same with my sister.   Anything like that. Right? I wanna have that stuff. I think,   you know, there are, like, small moments. Like, I was at, like, a dog park recently because my sister was walking a dog. She's like a dog walker.   That's a whole another thing, by the way. She's, like, totally, like, a pet psychic. But,   there was just, like, this interaction in the park where people were just, like, fucking, like, jarring at each other. Like, all these really nice people   with, like, fangs in their mouth all of a sudden because, like, one dog, like, attacked another dog, and the owner got upset, and the other owner got upset. Nobody was taking accountability.  

And there was this, like,   maddening energy,   just chaos   and so many different people and so many different opinions.   And that was the first time where I had a moment where I was like, maybe we're getting closer, man, because these people are acting fucking crazy. Like, I was just looking around. I was like, I don't even know what's, like, what's being fought about right now. I don't think they do either.   So I think you have those moments, like,   of just, like, where do I land then? Right? Like, I wanna make a podcast, like, but I need to pay bills. So I I think it's challenging, man. I think I resonate with all of that. I think,   I guess more than anything else, I try to stay present, you know, not to be an advice giver, but I I think I I agree with you. You know? I try to stay present. Yeah. But you've been paying your bills in New York City. Like, that's one of like, you and I are in, like, the hardest cities. Joe, gosh. City's kicking our asses, man. Yeah. Like, what the fuck are we doing? Are we even smart?  

No. We're we're just signing up for pain. You know? Like, when I look at, like, my credit card statement, bro, like, or the fucking monthly bills, I'm like, why on earth am I living here? You know? My buddy moved to,   to Arizona,   like, years ago and got, like, a beautiful house that he put a mortgage on. Mhmm. It was like and then he sold it, and he made a fucking chunk of money. Of course. I was like, I thought he was a dumbass. You know? I was like, man, you're moving to a desert. And   I was like, well played. What was my dumbass doing? Thinking, oh, it'll be cool to live above a restaurant in   You know what I mean? Like, the fuck was I thinking? So He he moved to a desert of   money. He moved to a desert of fucking just   straight money, bro. You know? So well done. Good job, Barry, if you're listening.  



[01:32:31] Unknown:

So yeah. Yeah, man. If I could buy a house, I totally would. I would move back to to Arizona for sure and just buy a house,   or just pay, like or just pay off my my mom's house. You know? Because that that's where my sister still live and stuff.  

[01:32:46] Unknown:

For sure. Your  

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family lives just, like, outside the city? Is that what you said? Yeah. My my mom right now lives,  

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about   a hour outside of the city. After,   after my dad passed, she was kinda just like, fuck it. She moved to a   really nice little beach town, on Long Island.   She's kinda living her best life, reliving her youth, going on dates.   I was like, more power to your mom. Fucking have at it. My sister actually lives,   probably, like, 50 blocks away from me here in New York City. Cool. She was a digital nomad for many years, and she finally settled down. Also decided to experience some pain and come to New York City.  

[01:33:27] Unknown:

Yeah, man. I'm the only one in my family who's, like, moved out.   My sister still live at home. My,   one sister has a kid. The other sister, she's just working, but they're just, like, you know, just doing their thing, helping my mom. You know, everyone's still moving through the motions of trying to   grieve. So it's like I'm also caught in between of, like, should I move back there and, like, help them out if they need to?   It's like I don't wanna, like because I don't wanna be selfish. You know? It's like moving out here was totally, like, because of myself.   But now that it like, in this current era, it's like, okay. Should I where, like, where are my,   priorities, like, as a man? Like, should I move back and help my family? Do they really need that?  

Is that, like, a wise choice? So I'm actually seeing my family this coming week, so we're gonna discuss that. I don't think I'll move back, but it's, like, it's just one of those things that I'm thinking about. You know? It's, like, the priorities of life. Like, how can I   be present? And and, like, what's the best best version of myself staying present? You know? I mean,   it's very interesting.  

[01:34:26] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, I I think I I struggle with that too. It's kind of like,   I saw when I saw the   tarot reader, she said something very interesting to me.   She said,   that after my dad, I lost the ability   to be able to be needed by people.   She was like, you   were needed   on such a deep level   for so long from the most basic things like a trip to the bathroom,   to eating,   to   carrying this guy's ass to the hospital. You know? Mhmm.   So she's like, you don't have that ability anymore. You cannot   handle being needed, not in a critical way. And I was like, damn. That's some real shit.   So I think for me,   that was also a good realization of, like,   boundaries. You know? Like Yeah. I do   wanna spend time with   family and friends,   but   I also gotta recharge sometimes, man. Like, after a long day at work,   I I need the TV and just to relax or whatever it is. So I think you do what you can.  

You know? And   sometimes that's enough. You know? Mhmm. Yeah.  

[01:35:39] Unknown:

It's real stuff,   dude. For real as hell. How much time do you have left? We said we're gonna do, like, ninety minutes, but I'm sort of vibing. Do you have, like like, thirty more minutes, or do you gotta head out?  

[01:35:48] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I'm chilling. Would I would I I don't know if we'd be able to edit this, but I'd love to take a leak and then maybe come right back. You're just gonna use Russian. Yeah. Go for it. Go for it. You're you're too good. Go for it. Alright. Alright.  

[01:36:01] Unknown:

Okay. So,   we're so we've talked about a little bit of what Cabe has talked about with, like, clones and stuff. I just I was just on my email,   and the New York Times   just broke that. It says   Biden has been diagnosed with an aggressive form of prostate cancer,   like, just just now.   And Cave has talked about how president Biden was a clone the entire time. So it looks like they're about to kill off the clone.   What do you think about the clone situation? What do you think about Biden the Biden clone presidency?  

[01:36:34] Unknown:

Yeah. I mean, that's like the million dollar, like, let's go down the, you know, the furthest edges of the conspiracy theory hole. Right?   I've definitely looked into this a lot. I've researched   so much. I've looked at, like, all of Cobb's posts. I have,   two episodes that I'm gonna drop about it in the near future.   But,   I mean, it's wild, man. It's a wild concept. You know? It's actually funny. Biden was at a restaurant literally. I could throw a rock at it down the block for me. So I was like, is there a clone at the restaurant?   Yeah. There is.  

Yeah. In fact, there is. I think what do I think?   For me, one of the most   interesting   it's like the more you look at it, the more you're just like,   You know? That's that's kind of the feelings that you have. Like, for example, years ago,   Hillary Clinton I don't know if you ever saw this or heard this was on a podcast,   through, BuzzFeed. I forget,   the name of the, podcast, but one of the hosts I think her name was,   Hebben, h e b e n.   She was like, you know, Hillary, I have   watched a lot of your,   you know, like, press,   and I'm so impressed by you because you, like, always kinda keep your composure. This is an exact quote, obviously. But she's like, I also noticed you, like, physically do not sweat,   like, ever.  

The other person's like, we are the sweatiest people. You know, like, we are very sweaty. You know, humans are sweatiest mammals on the planet, whatever. Like, makes a joke. And then Hillary goes,   she's like, you're actually the first people to realize I'm not even human, which is funny. It's actually funny. They all laugh. But then she says,   I was actually constructed   in a garage   in Palo Alto   by a man who shall remain   unnamed.   And, you know, people think I'm, like, something I'm not.   And then it was kinda like, what the fuck? I've never seen life. That's crazy.   Yeah. So she said that,   and when I saw that on Cobb's website,   that was weird. And then another thing that was weird with Hillary Clinton   was there was, like, a rally in, like, 2016,   and   she was she just, like, froze. She just, like, stopped talking.  

Alright. People freeze up sometimes. Maybe she's nervous. Maybe she doesn't feel well. She could be elderly. Whatever.   Then a guy rushes on stage. His name was Todd Madison.   And he says to her, keep talking.   Keep talking.   Mhmm. And he and you hear it in the microphone.   First of all, why is he doing that? Why is he telling a human being to keep talking? It's weird.   Then, like, a week later,   Todd Madison was dead.   So what's going on there? So my thoughts on it are I mean, listen. When you hear Cobb talk about it, he says there's a billion clones in existence.   Like, a billion,   one out of every six people   or whatever.  

One shut the fuck up. Eighth of Earth is clones. That's cool. Like, come on. There's no fucking way.   And then there there are moments like Janelle Monae,  

[01:39:39] Unknown:

singer, if you're familiar with her. Yeah. I I saw that clip. I saw that clip. She has a clone for music, a clone for music, a clone for press. Yeah.  

[01:39:48] Unknown:

And then I I think   yeah. It's just like I mean, it's crazy. And I I think, like, I just started looking into more of, like,   for example, Cobb had said that   Will Smith's   clone   was the one who slapped Chris Rock.   He was like, why would Will Smith ruin his reputation?   Clones have been known to have outbursts  

[01:40:11] Unknown:

of anger. Yo. That makes sense, though. Because That does make sense. Why would Will Smith do that? Like, that was always the question. Like, because the whole, like no good reason. Because Chris   Chris Rock at the Oscars makes a little joke,  

[01:40:27] Unknown:

and it's like Which was funny.  

[01:40:29] Unknown:

Yeah. It was funny, and everyone is like, everyone there knows it's all in good faith. And why would all I mean, everyone gets roasted at these events. Exactly. And why would Chris Rock wanna pick a fight with a guy in the front row? Yeah. It's also his homie. You know what I mean? Like And you don't have to remember decades. Decades.   So that makes so much I didn't I did not read that, so that makes so much sense that the Will Smith slap was Will Smith's clone.  

[01:40:55] Unknown:

That was what he said. And then he   would just talk a lot about,   there was one thing he posted,   which was, like,   Zac Efron   decides   to   publicly   respond   to   criticisms   that he got plastic surgery because his face looked really puffy. Yeah. Then Cobb, like, posted a screenshot   of, like, the TikTok clip, and, like, the top comment had, like, 13,000   likes   from a person who wrote, like, is this one of those things where they're fronting a clone? So that was a surprising moment to me because I was like, wow. I guess more people are thinking this  

[01:41:38] Unknown:

than I realized that Oh, yeah. And it's also been for another celebrity, it's also been very   discussed just like online of, like,   of Kanye having a clone. You know? You you can see weird   pictures of him with, like, no eyebrows and puffiness and just, like, he just looks strange.   And it's like, okay. Well and then he has, like, multiple songs of, like, him   or not not songs per se, but, like, live performances where he adds in, like, watch how they cloned me or something like that. Or it's like, Yeezy not the clones. It's like the he's referenced that before as well, which is   really interesting.  



[01:42:13] Unknown:

Yeah. I actually have to look into that. I remember reading from Cobb at one point that he said something like   Kanye went to Trump for help.   Mhmm. And Trump, like, helped him. And because of that, he had this, like, allegiance to Trump. Mhmm.   I don't know   I I don't know if he has clones. Obviously, I don't know any anything, but, like, I yeah. I've also saw,   an interesting clip that,   Cobb shared at one point too was,   Jim Carrey,   going on, I think, Jimmy Kimmel. Mhmm. And he, like, kinda keeps putting up, like, the Illuminati sign, and he's sticking tongue through it. And he's just kinda talking about how, like, you know,   we're all being deceived and, like, life isn't what you think it is.  

And then because he went on the show,   they, like, killed him,   threatened his girlfriend,   and then made a clone of him. Mhmm. So they made a clone of Robert De Niro   that's, like, super anti Trump. So, I mean, it's tough. I think it's tough also because,   dude, I live in New York City. You live in LA. People are not pro Trump out here. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, that is like talking about Trump   I mean, especially at my my past job,   if you brought up Trump, you your ass would be talking to HR. Like, there is such an intense   distaste   for Trump,   for anything   conservative,   Republican   to, like,   an intense degree. My wife would probably not even like it if she knew I was talking about it right now. Like, she'd be like, I probably shouldn't say that, Seth. You know? And she is so down with me expressing my creativity. Like, I can do anything. You know? She's awesome. But it's more just the idea of, like,   she also isn't a fan. You know? Like Yeah. A lot of people think he's not nice to women. A lot of people think he's a bully.  

So it's interesting, you know, seeing cop because when I first came across him, he's talking about clones. He's talking about how how Trump   is, like, a reincarnated,   like, archangel. He's talking about how, like, Which is the complete  

[01:44:16] Unknown:

opposite of how   people who hate Trump speak of him. Like, it's the Of course. The opposite. They call I mean, Hitler.  

[01:44:25] Unknown:

Dude, I'm in conversations at this table right here   on a   a monthly basis at least where we we we have a my wife's best friend,   is gay, and he's in a relationship with a guy. Mhmm. And he'll come over, and we'll have   dinner. And, you know, when this Trump stuff was going on, he was getting hired. Like, they were, like, bugging the fuck out. They were, like, upset.   You know?   Mhmm. Mhmm. And this is this is New York City. It's a very liberal   place. So   that's kind of a sentiment everywhere. So that's, like, when talking about this stuff, like,   dangerous is the wrong word. But, like, I'm not gonna run around to people and be like, Trump's not who you think he is. You know what I mean? Like and then, obviously, like, sometimes some people that are huge fans of him   can be perceived in a certain way, you know, by liberals as there's, like, one guy where my mom lives who has, like, a bunch of flags, and then he has, like, a picture of, like, Biden being shot in the head. And, you know, people look at that, and they're like, that's a little intense.  

So it was interesting for me sort of, like, going through this metamorphosis   of, like, what are my beliefs?   Like, where do I lean?   And I, you know, was so   gravitated towards everything Cobb has said. I'm like,   maybe I just need to reevaluate,   like, everything that I ever thought to be true, which is obviously just, like,   a pretty wild thought. Not only do aliens exist, not only are there multiple races, not only have I lived lives before,   not only does life exist after death, not only could I be a fucking alien,   but the life I'm currently living, the government's lying to me. Trump is actually a great guy who's being, you know, whacked by the fucking media, run by a bunch of, like, cabal Satanists.  

Mhmm. True detective season one was actually more realistic than anybody wants to give a credit for. You know? Like, it's like a horrible ring of, like, murders   and terrible things happening to to even children.   And,   a lot of that is being run   by,   like,   evil reptilians   who, like, broke away from a galactic federation, one of whom was a reptilian. Yeah. So it's like when you kinda say all that out loud, you're like, maybe I need to up my Lexapro really quick because I guess I sound a little fucking crazy. You know what I mean? And there's not many people you can say that to   at all   Yeah. That are gonna be like, oh, yeah. For sure, Seth. Like, can I get you another drink? You know? They're gonna be like, get the fuck out of my apartment.  

So it's always been, like, a struggle of mine,   but, you know, I've I've been down, like, every single one of those rabbit holes. So what what do I think in terms of clones?   Sometimes I feel like when I'm talking to fucking people I work with, I'm like, are you a fucking clone? Yeah. Because you're pretty fucking robotic.   Yeah. Not robotic like   socially awkward. Like, the way you're looking at me doesn't even make sense. Like Yeah. Are you all there? Yeah. You know? And then I'm like, what the hell are you saying? Like, in your own head. Like Mhmm. Just go do your job, Seth. You know what I mean? So I don't know. What what do you think?  

[01:47:33] Unknown:

The the clone thing was a bit difficult for me at first, but then at a some at a certain moment, it just clicked, especially when people,   during Biden's presidency was trying to point to   him, like, being in a mask   and Cabe pointing out that it's not a mask.   Right. And, I listened to this one podcast.   They deconstruct   mainstream media, so they pull in clips, and they sorta, like, look for the tells,   if they're lying or something like that. And and they were   they they they were pretty heavy on talking about the masks   and how, like, masks are very common   and how the CIA   uses masks all the time. And but then I was also just, like, seeing on YouTube, there was, like, a TED talk with someone who used to work for the CIA talking about masks.  

And I'm like,   if they're talking about masks out in the open,   why would they be, like, using them right now if they're telling us how to identify the mask?   So it's like, if if if we're able to identify the mask, doesn't that mean that they're not using masks? And then I just kept on looking at the clone theory,   and it's like, yeah, dude. Like and and there's a bunch of images where you can see like, it's, like, six different images of Biden, like, back to back to back, and they all sort of look differently. And you can sort of tell when it's, like, 2018   Biden   or or or, like, 2015   Biden, '20 '18, '20 '20. Brought out, if you will. Yeah. And then and then I I think Kate had a post of,   like, Biden might have died or he was, like, about to die in 2019.  

And the way that you would know that is when they push his clone to be president.   And, you know, then then and then you have the twenty twenty election, and Biden was in the basement   for all of COVID. You know? And they said it was because of COVID. But it's like, why do you need to be in the basement when you are rich and you have a home and, like, you have   you know, why do you why are you in the basement when you have a home? Like, who are you hiding from? And you're on Zoom. And so, like, that was just, like, suspicious to me. And and then   it it was mainly just, like, seeing the images of the different Bidens and how Yeah. And and the variability,   of how he looked. It wasn't just normal old man, you know, because you can pull up,   like, do the same type of format of images and just do it with Clint Eastwood. You know, Clint Eastwood looks pretty   consistent   between 2018 and 2025.  

You know? You'll see some aging,   but the variability was huge. So, like, some are puffy. Some are really wrinkly.   Some are just, like, like, stupid looking. Like, some, like,   just incredibly   different versions of him.   And then, like, the idea of, like,   the cabal using clones to push their narratives and to program   certain things, and and it becomes more and more clear. It's not just propaganda   in the news media that wants you to be fearful or wants you to be angry.   It's literal   people who are programmed   to discuss those things. It's not just a script.   It's like a program that people are   simulating across   their their different circles. And that's why different people,   believe these, like, fearful narratives of Donald Trump. You know? It's because of these clones   that are programmed with with these   with these things. So I I I definitely believe it. I am looking out for more clones myself, like, because I think clones are actually stuff a lot more practical.  

I actually did an episode of this on this podcast   last year about,   specifically about the clones. I read the whole clone post from Cabe.   And the main thing that I, like, come back to is   when you're thinking about this topic,   if you think it's not true,   then you're going to have to say that the scientific community   voluntarily   obeyed Bill Clinton in 1997.   Because there's a clip that you can find on YouTube.   Right? Yeah. Yeah. And   06/08/1997,   Bill Clinton called for a voluntary moratorium   Yeah. On the on on research on human cloning. And so if you think human clones aren't real, then that means that the scientific community volunteered to not do research.   And it's like, well, that it's like, for me, just like thinking logically, that doesn't sound right. That doesn't sound logical at all. It sound like, if I was a scientist and I had access, you know, it's that whole   Oppenheimer   conversation of, like, if we can do it, should we do it? And and scientists   are always wanting to move forward. They always wanna do it be because of, I don't know, whatever reason. You know, curiosity, you know, just, like, just making those types of breakthroughs.  

If I was a scientist, I might be interested in in making a human clone. You know?  

[01:52:31] Unknown:

Yeah. Well Shit. Why not? Yeah. Exactly. Why not? It's the peak of your career probably. And it's also   strange to think that   cloning was introduced to us by aliens. Yeah. Right? Like,   nineteen fifties   Eisenhower.   Eisenhower, yeah, has a meeting with the Grays, and   the douche is basically like, alright.   You can go abduct whoever you want. Just teach us how to clone people. Right? And it's like Yeah.   Are the grays   the alpha of the universe?   Absolutely not. But do the grays have technological   prowess   beyond our wildest imagination as humans? Without question, how do you think a billion clones potentially walk around the Earth undetected?   Mhmm. So   crazy to think that. It also reminds me of,   Cobb posted this clip not long ago of a woman. I think she was, like, maybe South African, maybe,   claiming   to have been on Epstein Island,   and   she saw Michael Bay there.  



[01:53:33] Unknown:

Oh, yeah.  

[01:53:34] Unknown:

Yeah. And not long after   Michael,   Michael Bay was with Epstein, Michael Bay wrote, I believe, and directed the movie   The Island. Mhmm. I don't know if you ever saw the movie. I saw the movie when I was in high school. And it's always funny how things connect. You know what I mean? Like,   War of the Worlds when I saw War of the Worlds 02/2005,   I was in Pennsylvania.   That shit, like, lived in my soul. Yeah. I was like I was like, woah. That was fucking cool. When I saw Signs 02/2002,   I was like, damn. That was fucking you know what I mean? It's like, if I'm a starseed, is there a reason these things connect to me so much? When I saw the island,   it wasn't even a good movie. It didn't get good reviews,   but holy shit did that shit live in my DNA. I was like, that   was fucking bananas.  

Yeah. And is it because maybe, you know, there's this part of me that knows   deep in my soul,   right, that this is real, that there actually are genuinely clones. Another interesting clone   theory is Britney Spears. And because Cobb talked about how   if you remember when, she shaved her head Yeah. Got out of nowhere, and then all of a sudden, she's on camera with the paparazzi. She's like an umbrella in her head, and she's just smashing   a car door.   And he was saying, like, clones are often prone   to angry outbursts for whatever reason. Will Smith,   Britney Spears. And, obviously, all of the weird   shit going on Britney Spears. He talked about how   Britney Spears recorded   a song called Mona Lisa.  

Mhmm. And in the song Mona Lisa, one of the lyrics was, she's been cloned. She's been cloned. She's been cloned, which whatever. It's just a lyric. I could've written that   allegedly.   Mhmm. But   I guess she wasn't allowed to release it and then eventually did release it, but they made her change the lyrics. So it's like, has this poor woman always been trying to communicate to us all this time?   And there's also the insanity of cloning   because I've heard from Cobb and even I've reached out to people that follow Cobb, anybody who fucking follows Cobb. A lot of these people on Twitter   have what are allegedly their   star seed names, like the ones we talked about. I've messaged any of them they're willing to respond when I first got into this because I wanted to just learn and understand as much as I could. Mhmm.  



[01:55:58] Unknown:

Just going down that rabbit hole. Kinda lost my train of thought there for a second. But, Did they have a connection to cloning, or, like, what was that did you ask them about the clones?  

[01:56:06] Unknown:

I asked, this one girl about it, and she was like, you should watch the movie, Replicas with, Keanu Reeves. She was like, that's a really good demonstration of what,   cloning looks like. And then she was just kinda going into conspiracy theory. She was like, Bill Gates is a bad person.   Elon Musk is, you know, reincarnated Sarsi. The pandemic was all planned. You should look into the WikiLeaks. And I was just like, woah. Like, I just wanted to say what's up. You know what I mean?   You know, so that that that went heavy. But oh, yeah. Kinda going back to is this idea of, like,   cloning becomes interesting   specifically for the music industry   because it's   so lucrative.  

So you have musicians.   One that I've read about is, Katy Perry.   Mhmm. Katy Perry,   apparently, Orlando Bloom is not a good guy, and neither is Katy Perry. And Russell Brand and Katy Perry got together, and then Russell Brand was like, woah, you satanic fucking witch. Like, I'm out. You know? Then he looked like a dick when it was really   kinda her doing.   But these musicians   get surrounded   by people that want money. Britney Spears' family, her own dad, her own mom, sister, whatever,   fucking sold her out,   cloned her, kept her in a goddamn box   just for money.  

You know? It's like crazy. So the more you go down these rabbit holes   and then when you get into, like, the really fucked up stuff like the   Pizzagate and, like Mhmm. Pedophilia and stuff like that, you're like, man, I can't even read this shit. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm just trying to have a chill Sunday afternoon. You know?   Yeah. How is this even fucking real? So,   I mean, I guess, circling back to it all, it's like, do I believe in it all? I don't think I want to, but   I'd be I'd I'd be lying if I said that the the information, you know, doesn't captivate me in such a way that makes me think I I do, in fact, believe. You know? Yeah.   Yeah.  

Did that  

[01:58:09] Unknown:

so how did that, like, affect you in, like, thinking about Trump? You brought up Trump earlier. I mean, it it I I don't even care if, like, you didn't like Trump before, but, like, was there Right. How did that,   has this information or, like, was there a change in how you thought about Trump in the last year and a half? Yeah. I mean, I would say definitely. I feel like,  

[01:58:30] Unknown:

honestly, man, like, politics wise, like, I've always been, like, pretty   down the middle. I don't really like having, like, intense political conversations. Like, usually, I try   to see both sides. Like, I'll I'll say it. Like, I do believe   that, like, if a woman wants to have an abortion, she should have an abortion. But if someone is religious or Christian and doesn't believe that, like, no hatred on that. To me, I'm like, shit, man. I've never had to squeeze a baby out of my vagina, so you can do whatever the fuck you want. I'm half the man you are, lady. You know?   So,   but, you know, I I've always leaned to just, you know I I I watch show like The Handmaid's Tale, if you ever seen it with, like, my wife and, like, it's a little scary sometimes, like Yeah. Just be reality. So I always just try to be supportive of, you know, my wife and stuff like that. But as far as Trump,   it was cool to not like Trump.  

It was cool to shit on Trump.   It was cool to say he was dumb or pompous or an idiot.   It was that's the cool thing to do.   At my jobs, when I was in the office water cooler talk, it was cool to shit on him. Mhmm. That's what you did. You didn't even think about it. That's just what was happening   in any circle I ran with whatsoever.   You never even got a hint   that somebody was Republican. And if you did, you knew that they knew to keep it to themselves. And maybe that's indicative of the circles I was running with,   at the time. I have never been, like, super outspoken on either side. Really, I haven't. Mhmm. So then to be introduced,   it to COP, it was just like, damn.  

Like, that is   the polar opposite of what I've been around,   what I've been taught,   what, like, dates that I've gone on, relationships that I've been in. Like, that has been just ingrained in me. You know? Mhmm.   So I think that that was, like,   a weird transition. Now if I'm being honest, like,   listen, man. If I'm taking Cobb at his word,   if we're calling that gospel,   like, I gotta believe that, like,   this dude is looking out for us, and there's a lot of really fucking shady people out there.   And Trump's a tough motherfucker. You know? And Cobb has said before, you he's not perfect. He has his moments,   but you needed a guy that was tough. You needed a guy who had the financial resources and the savvy   Mhmm.  

To kinda take on, you know, what he's up against, which is   pretty wild shit. So,   it's weird to say out loud. It really is. You're never gonna see me, you know, running down the street with a MAGA hat on because in the neighborhood I live in, like, people will be like, what the fuck is he doing? Like, Larry David had an episode about that. You know, he put a MAGA hat on. Favorite episodes, dude. He he put nobody   wants anything to do with him. You know? That's kind of like LA, New York. Like, that's what I'm around.   I rarely even come across, like, outright Trumpers. I really don't. I've come across them a lot more, and the irony of it is is that   as I kind of started to let my free flag fly on Twitter, just like a little bit, like tweeting about clones, tweeting about starseeds, tweeting about random alien races,   tweeting about starseeds, tweeting about the grays. The types of people that would follow me would be, like,   QAnon,   like, conspiracy theorist believer,   like MAGA mom, like Mhmm. Trump forever. And I was like, That's so interesting. So it's like the message that I believe in that I'm putting out there is actually completely aligned with people that have voted for and believe in Trump. So it's interesting, man. I mean, you know, it it's the sort of thing that constantly causes you to to reevaluate. But, again, you know, like, all I really know is that I know nothing. So I'd be silly   to be so, you know, steadfast. I'm like, this is right and this is wrong. So I think I've I've certainly converted to to the other side. You know?  



[02:02:23] Unknown:

Yeah. Yeah. I've I've had a personal journey with that as well. You know? Like, my first election was 2016, and I voted for Hillary.   I wouldn't say that I was, like I I guess I was influenced by the media. I was influenced by there was a YouTuber who was, like, super viral at the time,   Casey Neistat.   And he put out a pro Hillary video, and I was just like and I and I I sort of just, like, agreed with him and,   just didn't like the way he, to how Trump was. And then 2020, I was protesting   everything,   and I've I I wrote in Kanye West. I was I I really liked his Joe Rogan,   experience episode. And and so I I wrote in him.  

And then as the Biden president presidency moved on,   the truth of, like, him being   of Trump not being   the full on bad guy, you know, and him just, like,   just, like, evaluating, like, what his real actions are   and looking at how, you know, COVID and the whole Biden president presidency was so extreme on the negative side, I would say.   I ended up realizing it was, like, coming into, like, 2020 late twenty twenty three and early twenty twenty four. I was mainly just thinking about Trump in terms of economics. I was like, I think I think I gotta vote for Trump just so my bank account is okay.   Wow. Because, like, I remember, like, during his first term, I was like, I had to I I was doing pretty good.  

The economy was pretty good. I was a tour guide, and tours were going pretty well, and people were traveling. And, you know, and Biden's presidency presidency, like, no one's traveling. You know? Very very few people are doing that. And so it just it was more about the economics for me. But then I'm reading Cabe, and then I'm reading about, like, how he's actually a good guy.   And   it wasn't until the assassination   attempt happened   is when, like, I actually had a,   like, real opinion or real, like, emotion   towards the guy's presence   because, like,   it's that meme. You know? It's that head turning meme of, like, you're, like, a centimeter away from civil war. You know? It's like, wow.  

The bullet was really that close to hitting Trump and killing him.   And and that man   like, I I don't know how else to interpret a miracle. I don't know how else to, like, think of how a miracle could happen than almost being murdered   by someone who's a 50 yards away from you. It's like, wow. He really just turned his head at the right moment,   and then he stood up and he put his fist up and, like, just the most badass scenario ever.   Like, the and there there's no way around that. Like, there Liberals have to admit that. That's a badass thing to do. Like, you get shot at, your face is bloody, and you put your fist up saying fight, fight, fight.   Like, that rallied everyone, dude. That and that was   crazy.  

And,   so just like that happening, like, wow. He's actually protected. He's actually protected. And if he's protected,   what does that mean, and who is he protected by?   And then Cabe has information about, you know, the angels being there,   both in by local service and,   archangel Michael coming in and calming the crowd with his hand   and   someone turning Trump's head   at the perfect moment.   And just that happening for a reason and   him being protected for that reason so people could see that and come together.   And, you know, and that would that I think that's a real line in the sand of, like,   who is wishing death upon a person?  

You know? And that it's like, I I I also extend that to the wars going on right now. You know? If you're able to justify   death, you know, like, where are your morals?   If you want the president to die, where are your morals?   If you want Israel or Hamas to die,   where are your morals?   You know, it's like war if war is demonic, if murdering someone is evil,   you know, then that means that   no one should be murdered   for any for any reason. You know? And that's a very hard thing to   to sort of conceptualize   and, solidify for yourself. But, you know, I I definitely agree with that sort of idea   at large.  

And so it was mainly just like that and just, like, seeing him   being protected and just, like, realizing okay. So he's protected from assassination attempts,   and Kamala's an idiot,   and she might be a clone,   and Biden's a clone. Like, there's no choice but Trump. There's no I'm choosing the human being.   Right. Right. Right. Thing for me. I'm like, oh, okay. So my choice is a clone or a human? I'm gonna choose a human. Duh. Yeah. Probably go for the human on that one. Yeah. I do. And he wants to make America great again. Like, that's a great slogan. Like, let's just say that That's a great slogan.   So Can't deny that one. And I ended up buying a hat. I just felt like it was iconic. I had to buy the hat just for myself. It's in my it's on my desk. I I don't wear it out out I I only wear it when I go to Arizona because that's, like, safe country. If I wore it if I wore it in California, it might be a little different.  



[02:07:41] Unknown:

Yeah.  

[02:07:43] Unknown:

But I, I myself have experienced like, people's attitudes have changed towards Trump because I think it's getting more and more clear that   he doesn't want people to be harmed. You know? He doesn't support war. He wants people to make money. You know? It's like   it's like a practical thing. That's like he wants practical things to be   the establishment. You know? And it's like,   you know, that's just, like, where I'm at with it. But I definitely   I turn I I had a tie turning within my own self, just realizing   that,   morality comes tie down to your actions. You know? And what are this man's   actions? What has he really done? You know? During his first term, his biggest accomplishment was the Abraham Accords,   which was peace in The Middle East. You know? And that and that,   I forget if that was, like, solidified or if something fell apart with that. But   regardless, like,   they were at the table. I remember seeing press conferences of the Abraham Accords being discussed.  

It's like, that's a huge accomplishment. You know? And that's something that's totally different from all the other administrations   that have justified war in The Middle East and have, you know, just, like, done that.   So, yeah,   the the idea of morality being tied to your actions or, like, morality being   objective,   that's been a big thing with me with Trump, just, like, seeing, like, what is he really doing, and what are these other people really doing?   You know?  

[02:09:10] Unknown:

Yeah.   I mean,   all that interesting stuff. Yeah. Aliens.   Shit. So that's the crazy thing. It's kinda, like, all, you know, tied together.   Yeah.   And it is it is crazy. Like, the further you go down the rabbit hole, it's like what you kind   of uncover.   You know?   And it does make you question everything. Yeah.  

[02:09:36] Unknown:

Well, Seth, I feel like wrapping things up right now, dude.   It's been a fucking awesome conversation with you, man. Thank you. Man. Of course. Been awesome for me too. Thank you for having me. Yeah, man. Is there anything else that, like, is on your mind right now that you wanna discuss about Cabe or, like,   anything else on your mind, dude? Anything else?  

[02:10:00] Unknown:

I feel like we covered   pretty solid ground from starseeds   to clones to   political conspiracy theories to the grays.   There's a lot of good stuff also in, like,   you know,   like, ancient times   and negative aliens that, like, broke away from the galactic federation.   But we talked about mediums.   To me, it was just a it's a great sort of, like,   dive in into, you know, all the stuff that has captivated me for so many years.  

[02:10:36] Unknown:

So Yeah. I feel like we nailed it, brother. Dope, dude. And and you talk about all this on your podcast. Right? The the spiritual skeptic?  

[02:10:44] Unknown:

Yes. Yes. The spiritual skeptic. So if you if you dug anything you heard today, then   I dive into to all this on my podcast with,   a hell of a lot of irreverent humor and,   definitely a lot of,   you know, sort of investigative   journalism as well. I I really try to make sure that   anything I talk about that I have, like, tons of, you know, sources cited because I know people appreciate, like, you know, evidence or stuff to back it up, if you will. I'm obviously not showing live videos of UFO from from New York City, but I am making sure to to read up on this stuff a lot. So if I do talk about it, there's, you know, at least some basis behind it.  

[02:11:23] Unknown:

Oh, man. Is there a schedule for your podcast? When do you release episodes?  

[02:11:27] Unknown:

Yeah. I definitely need to to drop that on Twitter. I I've been kinda doing a cadence of, like, once every three weeks, which I know is a a fair amount of time between each episode.   This first season has really just been, like, probably, like, my love letter to, like, aliens and   conspiracy theories. It took me a a long time to, like, write out each episode and kind of, like, refine it.   I worked with a really awesome editor as well to get, like, some, like, sound   effects in there and make sure it sounded good and some music and stuff like that too. His name is Lewis Palfrey. Shout out to him. He's a freaking genius. Probably a star z too. I was lucky enough to meet him on Reddit.   But, yeah, once every three weeks and then hoping to get more involved, you know, with conversations like   find gentlemen like yourself and talk about these things more and, you know, maybe release future seasons,  

[02:12:14] Unknown:

you know, just, other guests and stuff like that. Yeah, man, dude. I want more of your episodes, dude. Like, your stuff is funny. I love the sound effects. Like, shout out to Lewis, dude. Like, the how you edit, how you script it, you can tell that there's effort in it, and it's, like, a just really satisfying. It's a really satisfying way to consume this type of content because   no one else is doing it like you do, man. Like, everyone else is, like, they make it like a horror movie, but you're making it like a cozy little sitcom of these aliens coming to Earth. I love that, dude. So Appreciate that, man. I gotta quote that somewhere.  

[02:12:47] Unknown:

Thank you for making what you do, dude. Thank you, Seth. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for making what you do, man. Your your podcast is awesome and, you know, it's obviously   inspiring. You know, you've come out ton of episodes,   had some guests to do a lot of cool solo stuff, and you're obviously really good at what you do. So just wanna wanna get on your level and, you know, put myself out there more and all that kind of stuff. So pretty appreciate the love and, you know, right back at you. Hey, man. Okay. So we gotta do this again sometime. We gotta do this. I would love to talk to you more. So Yeah. That'd be dope. I would love to. And we gotta do let's just create together, dude. We'll we'll find a way. Yeah. For sure. I I got a a homie out out in LA right now, doing,   writing full time. You guys should definitely connect. Okay. Dope. Yeah. I would love to connect with him. I need to make sure, so I need a writer.  

Yeah. Well, he's he's a brilliant writer, so you guys can definitely be a good, potential,   partnership.  

[02:13:37] Unknown:

Well, dope, dude. Well, thank you again, Seth. I will,   I'll stop recording right now.  

[02:13:43] Unknown:

Alright, folks. Check. Check. Check.   What'd you think of that, guys?  

[02:13:48] Unknown:

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[02:15:19] Unknown:

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