#106 The Daddy NAT Interview

Trust my gut.

What's up everyone? It's America Plus. I'm your host, Cole McCormick. It's another week, another episode. What's going on, everybody?

It's Sunday, January 25th. What's happening, folks? What's happening? Beautiful day to be alive, isn't it? Host. We got

the shingles going on right now. Last week, they were not around. Now they are. Thank God I can actually pay attention to my soundboard.

Host. It's a wonderful day to be alive.

This week on America Plus, we have a interview with a musician, Daddy Nats.

Host, Daddy Nat, everybody, coming in. I played his song last week,

1 night. Did anyone hear that song last week, 1 night? Host. I I really enjoy that song, man. I really vibe with it.

And,

I found the guy on Twitter,

and he was open to doing An interview. So we got this interview with Daddy Nat.

I'm I'm gonna be going through some value for value stuff here pretty soon before the interview. Host. Before I get into value for value, a little bit on Daddy Nat.

He likes genre bending. He's like host. A modern

hip hop pop, like, he's a he's almost like a Post Malone, but he's also just like his own thing. Like, I really like this guy's vibe. Host. He's into music. He's into Bitcoin. He's into NFTs.

He told his story of him going to school in New Zealand and traveling around there. Host. This conversation was really cool. It was really calm.

Him and I really got along really well, and I'm just happy I had the opportunity. You know? Like, at at this point host. In the show, you know, we are approaching phase 2 of America Plus and

focusing more on interviewing musicians and the value verse, the value for value universe. Host. Just trying to build up this whole thing. Trying to build up this sort of decentralized

entertainment industry, you know. This is a totally new new realm, host. And Daddy Nat's a part of it, man, so I'm happy I was able to connect with him. I hope you enjoy it. I'm sure you will. I'm playing 2 of his songs, host. 1 after the intro, and then one at the very end.

Whenever you hear a song,

he's getting a 60%

host. Split of the value coming in from you. So if you're on a modern podcast app, and you hear a song play,

that means that the artist is getting 60%,

host. And then I'm I'm I'm bumping that up, to 70%

for the song at the very, very end. So because that's like a new song. He's debuting

host. A new song on America Plus. I'm super happy about that too.

So yeah, man. This is one of those things where host. I'm just blessed to be a part of this, man. I'm excited to see where this goes

moving forward, and if you're an artist, if you're if you are a musician, host. And you're trying to get involved with

a a more fair system, a more open system

with your music, with your art. Host. It's it's value for value. It's just having the option to openly distribute

your songs and voice

on the Internet with With a global payment system. That's all it is, man. It's super simple. And the funny thing, like midway through this interview,

host. Daddy Nat has only been on Wave Lake. So his whole story is that he found Wave Lake, and he put up all, some of his songs on Wave Lake, and And he just likes Bitcoin, so he was into Wave Lake because of Bitcoin.

And he had no idea about this broader podcast hosting system. This broader RSS feed

situation,

and

I think I might have, like, host. Introduce him to it. I might have inspired him to get more into it, to get more into this modern podcasting realm, because, like, this is where the innovation is. This is where host. This is the fair system that we're looking for. This

is the better world, a new beautiful world that all of our hearts know is possible. Like, this is it right here, man. So I'm happy to be a part of that.

To go we're going into the value for value section, folks. We're gonna be we're in the verse right now. Host. Value for value. What that means, this is

I do my damn best to make the best show, and, then you have the opportunity to come in with host. If you're on a modern podcast app, you can come in with satoshis,

but there's, like, multiple ways that you can be involved with this. There's 3 t's to value for value, host time, talent, treasure.

Just by you listening to this, sharing this, being interested, curious

about this podcast, you know, that's your time, that's your attention. Host. That means a lot to me, so just thank you for hitting play right now.

Talent, you know, you are about to witness some talent right now with with with Daddy Nat's music. Host. This is what I'm talking about. 2 people,

interacting with with each other, and giving the other one permission

host. To be creative with their work, you know. This is the real collaboration.

I really enjoy doing these because

I'm able to I feel like I'm able to enhance the show. Host. I really feel that way. And, the last t is treasure.

Treasure is the best one. You can, send in to PayPal if you have PayPal. Host. If you prefer dollars, you can support the show with that. The only way this show moves forward is from purely audience support, only from you. Host. I never wanna do an ad. I never want advertisements.

I I I want this to be to be like a tight knit community. I want this to be host. A real thing that that people enjoy and people get value from.

And I'm gonna be reading some boostograms from a modern podcast app. If host. You're on fountain, by the way. Go to value 4 value dot info for more info, then download the fountain dot f m app. It's the best way to support the show. Fountain dot f m It's one of my favorite podcasting apps. You can also download Podcast Guru or Podverse,

or you can go to the website, modern podcast apps host.com, and there's like 16 different apps to choose from. Again, open ecosystem.

Last week was number 105. We got some boostograms coming in from host, Joel

w.

He sends in 2 so 2 different boosts. They're both the same number. 1,111

sets. Host. Last week, I was talking about souls and space and the Pleiadians

and the UFOs

and spirits

and

the ultimate,

host. Like, story for humanity. It it went crazy. Listen to that, please.

Joel was commenting on that, and he says,

host. Not sure when that McKenna clip was from, but he pretty much called it so far. Fire in the madhouse. Host. Sounds about right. Yes, sir.

Booze. Yeah. That's a comment on

Terrence McKenna had a clip of him talking about the end of the world, the purpose for humanity, all this stuff. Host. The last boost from Joel w is,

this was a great episode. Got about a 1,000,000 thoughts running through my mind host. To to sort out now. Damn. You're making me think. Yes, sir. Bustar.

Bustar. Good. You need to be thinking more, Joel. We all gotta be thinking more, man.

Host. That McKenna clip is from 1998, by the way. I do have one more boostagram to share, but I wanna save that for the very very end before the last song.

Host. So we'll leave it there. What we're doing now, this song that I'm about to play is called Wish Me Well.

It's by Daddy Nat. It's taking us into the interview. Which you're gonna flow right into it.

Host, sir. Superstano

supervision.

Superstano

superstition.

Host.

Tell me about the music. How long have you been, like, doing music? How long have you loved music? And, like, when did you start doing music on social media?

Host. Yeah.

Thanks, bro.

So so

I've been doing music for as long as I can remember. You know, I sang whenever I was

very, very young. And then,

the story goes that whenever I was host. In middle school,

a couple of my buddies played guitar, and we all skateboarded. Right? So we, like, you know, would skateboard and play guitar.

And,

one of the guys had the bright idea of starting a band,

and, you know, they needed a lead singer. And so I was the guy who could sing Even though I was terribly shy at the time, had zero interest in like, you know, performing on stage and was, you know, it definitely made me,

I think nervous just to the thought of it. It also sounded cool. I was like, oh, maybe, like, you know, maybe that's maybe that's who I am, you know. And and,

and so we used to form the band called the Suffocating

host who did ACDC rock covers and just like, you know, like, any, like, classic rock cover you can think of, we played, basically. Host. And,

you know,

strangely enough, I grew up in a very small town called Athens, Texas,

about 11,000 people there, host. Northeast Texas, and it's

a a very small Podunk town that's quite Redneck and quite dated in a variety of ways. But somehow, there was, like,

people who embraced us for doing this. You know what I mean? In our small town, like, we would play

not huge, but small private parties, and we would play, like, you know, at a a venue here or there. Host. There's a city, you know, called Tyler that was close to us. It's a little bigger that we play shows at too and just kinda like just had a platform, you know, strangely enough. And,

host. From there, I got the itch. Didn't write me original songs till I was probably, like, 16. And then once I started writing original songs, I was just like, oh, wow. You can just, like, host. Make shit out of thin air,

you know, and it's and it's fun.

I did that and I would just basically write songs on guitar until I was,

host. Honestly, probably, like,

23, 24.

And then

for the whole time, I was always like, man, these shows that we play, they're host. They're so fun and and the people there, they'll sing the words to the songs and they and they vibe with everything, but there's nowhere for them to consume them afterwards. And if you listen to our records host. Compared to how we were playing, it just

they just didn't translate. You know, you couldn't have the same experience at a listening to a song after a show as you would at a host show. And so I kind of identified that as an issue. And I was like, okay, like,

how do you produce? You know, what do you what do you do to, you know, actually, host.

Like,

songwriter

or write songs on, I guess, a computer.

And,

that kind of evolved into

host. Me diving into a huge, you know, train of of, what they call video digital audio workshops, which are basically like, Ableton or Logic or, host.

Pro Tools, any of these, you know, platforms you might have heard of. Basically, just download them on your computer and you can make

host. Really any music in any genre and that was fascinating to me, but but it was also a step backwards because I was not great at production at the time. So I had to

Kinda teach myself that and almost reinvent myself and eventually

did a complete 180 from, like, you know, rock and roll where I was the lead singer of a rock and roll band, host. Which I've been doing for years

and, to do kind of more of the the pop and,

hip hop and genre bending stuff that I that I do today, I would say.

Host. And, it's been a hell of a journey, but, you know, it's been the one thing that, like, has made me happy and and made me feel like, host. You know, I was doing what I was supposed to do the whole time, and,

I don't know that everybody has that, but I think, host. You know, I hope that everyone does deep down, and I and I think once you find it, it's it's kinda hard to ignore it.

Yeah, man. That's really cool. Yeah. I like to think I feel the same way about movies. I make movies.

I'm trying to build my name up. Yeah. I'm trying to build my name up as, like, a podcaster who makes movies. So I just put out a short film a few weeks ago. Yeah. Though, thank you. Thank you.

I did the short film called Magic Mushroom Fun Time, and I put it out on all the podcasting apps host. Where your music is as well.

So there's, like, so there's, like, a way to, like, to to use the same system you use, the same system I use for my podcast host. For

movies. And, yeah, man. I'm definitely, like, building that. Like, there's, like, opportunity

everywhere on the Internet. Host. And,

I I was curious about how you got into Wave Lake, how you got into

using this new system to put out your music because host. It's totally different. And, like like, did you know about Bitcoin beforehand? Like, what's Mhmm. What's been that happening for you?

Host. Sure. Sure.

Well, I gotta ask one more time, though. So you dropped just to just to clarify, though Yeah. Before I answer that question. Yeah. So you dropped,

host. Your short film on Wave Lake or you dropped them to Lightning Network?

Lightning Network, technically. Not on Wave Lake, but so what I'm saying is by the same system is host. Your muse like, so your songs are on Wave Lake. You upload it to Wave Lake, but they can be found on a bunch of different podcasting apps because of the distribution.

Host. And so and so I did the a similar path, but through a different a different video website.

Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. That's that's awesome. Well, I definitely wanna watch it now and,

how I discovered Bitcoin. Yeah. So

host. I had a very

unique privilege, I would say, to go to university in New Zealand. So I lived in New Zealand and from 2,010.

So I grew up in a very small town, very sheltered small town. Right? Host. And,

I basically

really wanted to go to school out of state.

And,

my dad is host. A fairly open minded individual, fairly entrepreneurial individual, and was just like, you know,

and and also, you know,

host. Were hell bent on me going to school and were willing to cover my education expenses, which I'm, you know, forever grateful for. Right?

Host. But at the time, I'm 18 or 17, and, you know, applying to, like, University of Colorado,

NYU,

you know, USC.

Host. All these schools that are extremely

expensive,

and, my dad being conservative probably wasn't the most excited about me going to

host. Some of these, you know, maybe not so, conservative schools, particularly Boulder, which I was super interested at the time. And so he, suggested to me host. That I should go to, you know, look at international options. And so I had the opportunity to go to New Zealand,

and and got my degree from the University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand which is on the South Island. So I had some friends that I lived in there at one point.

We lived in this, like, host. Basically, ex backpackers, which is I don't know if you're familiar with the backpackers, but it's it's it's sort of like like a host. A shitty hotel or a shitty motel where they just have, like, 15 rooms,

and, you know, people who are traveling, who don't wanna spend a lot of money host. We'll go and crash there. Right? And maybe offer, you know, 20, $30 for a night. Right? So there was one that was at was an ex backpackers that me and 14 other host. Kiwis basically moved into,

and one of those individuals, his name was Matty. He's a very

very very clever individual. He was

host. Quite good with tech, quite good with technology. This is 2011.

And we're hanging out one day and,

host. He'd been in his room like most of the day so I like came in there. I was like, what's going on dude? And he was like, dude, I think I just discovered this like

this, you know,

host. Sensational technology that's gonna change all of our wealth system. And I was like, what are you talking about, dude? And he was like, yeah. It's called Bitcoin. And And it was a dollar 25 at the time. And I was like, holy fuck. Like, what what is this? Right?

And,

and, of course, immediately was like, this, host. You're right. Like, you know, I'm I'm a you know, there's a little bit of naivety. Right? Like, I'm 19 years old,

not very educated when it comes to computer science or anything like that. Right? But I did know that 2,008 happened. My parents worked in real estate, and they had some real hardships that came from 2,008.

And so anything that was going to kind of host. Rebuild the structure of our financial system. I was like, that sounds dope. Which at the time, like, the narrative was host. Kind of that, but it was really a speculative asset mostly at this time. Right?

So didn't touch it, host. But, you know, didn't have really any money to put into it anyway. I was barely, you know, paying my rent, you know, each. You didn't have a dollar? You didn't have a dollar? I mean, host. I did. I definitely had a dollar. So that's fucked up. Right? And and I think a dollar 25, I think it was literally probably, like, a dollar 25 host. New Zealand? So it was probably even less than a dude. That's a that's a Costco hot dog, dude.

Dude, I know. I know. I know. I know. But I I gotta be honest about it the first time I saw it. Right? Yeah. So then,

it went to $8. And at this time, like, I hadn't

done really anything risky like that. That's just it wasn't you know, I was gonna do music. That was risky enough for me. Right? And, like, you know, I studied international business at school. So host. It's crazy because, like, I knew the opportunity was there, but I just didn't Yeah. It just didn't I didn't do it. You know? I didn't have conviction, and that's something that I'm sure we'll talk a lot more about,

host. You know, and everybody talks about in Bitcoin. But,

but yeah. So then, a few months go by, maybe even 6 months go by, and I see it again. It's $8.

Host. And so I always laugh because I sent

my mom, my dad, my brother, basically everybody I knew who had money host. That look. This is a yes. A very speculative asset, but just throw $1,000

at it. Please, for the love of God, Throw a $1,000 at this, and, like, if I'm wrong, I promise you I'll pay you guys back whenever I get a job, and, like, I can make my thou you know, I I got promise. See what I mean? And just fucking

30 emails saying back of just all this what is this like, not even they weren't even like that. They were just they were being nice, but they were like, This is speculative. This is

ridiculous. Like, I I keep my money and whatever. You know what I mean? And,

you know,

host. There's so many buying opportunities, I'm sure, that were available at the time. Right? But this is before Ethereum, before anything else. Right? It was just Bitcoin.

So,

host.

Then I moved to Austin,

in 2014.

Right? And 2014 was actually a pretty significant year,

for Bitcoin.

2013 maybe also, but at 2013,

here's really where it it messed me up was that Bitcoin went to, like, a $160

one day, host. And, you know, a dollar

probably was in my budget. A $160

was definitely not in my budget, you know, at the time. Right? And so I I saw a $160

Bitcoin, and I was just like,

boys, it's over. Like, I you know, like, we missed our shot. Like, it's all over. We lit like, that

on this. Right?

And,

and then, of course, like, 2014 happens, it's sitting in the, like, 80 mark. I think it probably went down, host. Retraced probably 80% just like it normally does whenever it hits an all time high. Right?

And so,

and so I moved to Austin. And then I literally am looking for a job, and the first place that I go apply for is a Bitcoin mining organization

in Austin. Host. So I was so close again to getting into Bitcoin,

but it had all I like, I was I was starting to make decent money from that point for the next 3 years. Host.

You know, like, had a pretty decent job in in technology sales. And just

like an idiot was just like, you know like, the thing was, dude, I wouldn't have had conviction. I didn't believe in the technology. I didn't believe in host. If it would have gone from a 160

to a $1,000,

I would have been, like, whoo, I'm rich. You know what I mean? Like, it it would have been host. Such a quick flip at that time. Didn't have conviction. Didn't really understand

why it was so important, but knew I thought it was cool. Right? You know what I mean? And I was just like, that's host. That's a cool technology.

Then

2017 happens.

I finally and I would call myself class of 2017

A Bitcoin. That's that's when I came in. I don't I don't know if you're kinda familiar with that vernacular class of whatever. But For sure. Yeah. I I consider myself class of 2017,

host. For Bitcoin

and bought,

all kinds of altcoins,

speculative trash, just like, you know, like, he just was, like, Like, literally doing exactly what I shouldn't have been doing. And towards the end of the cycle,

I started to,

host. Realized that Bitcoin was the big daddy. You know what I mean? It was like you know? And, of course, there were other speculative assets around Ethereum, all you know, Lite

host. Basically, I ended up making enough to buy a Bitcoin when it was under 10 k. You know, I'd like I'd like flipped, like, you know, a few 1,000,

host.

Into, like, probably 9,000 and bought Bitcoin around that market. I think that was kind of like and that that might have been early 2018,

mid 2018 when that occurred. Host. And, finally, it was just like, okay. Cool. Like, you know, I'm here. You know, I got I got my Bitcoin. Right? And and, definitely had a hard time. There were times where I sold a little bit of my Full Bitcoin and then would buy it back. Right? You know, just based off of

lack of conviction. But I had more conviction at this point now, and I and I really saw the future.

Host.

And then I would say when 2020 occurred,

that's when it was, like, oh my god. Host. Like, this is

forever.

And,

like,

not only is it forever, it aligns with all of my core values and beliefs, host. And it,

you know, I think

is a direct correlation of of

host. A lack of responsibility

from our system, you know, I'll call it that. I won't even go into Specific things. I think it's just a lack of responsibility.

You can't print

if you just continually

print dollars,

you know,

host. 50 to a 100% additionally each year, our dollars will be worth nothing eventually. It's not pegged to anything. You know? It's it's so it just kind of that whole narrative Again, I talk about I'll talk a lot about narratives probably on this, but that narrative finally set in with me. And I also had some a community around it. I had a few people who also believed in Bitcoin.

Host. One individual,

his name's Brad,

who I kind of, like kinda brought him in, you know, a little bit, like, in terms of it. And now he is host. He's not a whale, but he's I mean, he's he's got a lot of Bitcoin, and he's a firm believer in you know, the craziest thing is is, like, No matter what the dollar amount is, I I don't know that he would exchange it for dollars. You know what I mean? Like, he's he's that much of a believer in Bitcoin. Host.

And so,

I

still love Bitcoin. I'm still a a a a huge lever of Bitcoin. Host. I will

say I'm also

into so many other things. You know, I'd say about 50% of my portfolio. The the majority of my wealth

is in Bitcoin, host.

More than US dollars. However,

I love to

I love to dabble in, you know, all the other ecosystems. It's fascinating to me. Host. I think, non fungible tokens are,

will play a role for music in some capacity, even if it's just live events at some point in the future. Host. And,

and so I have a speculative side to me as well that that I like to, you know, basically go to the crypto casino and and gamble, I suppose if we're gonna be completely honest. But Damn it. Bitcoin, I I I have conviction I don't have really have conviction as much conviction with those items. I do with Bitcoin. Host. Right. So long Yeah, man. Answer, but hopefully, that answers it. No. I mean no. I mean, Bitcoin is a long winded topic, so it makes sense, you know. And you and you and you saw from the very beginning. So that's cool that you you've had that journey of

just, like, like, like, understanding, like, resonating with the truth of it host. And knowing that the system needs to be rebuilt on some sort of strong asset

and just you going through that, you know, like like, that's important for people to So that that's really cool. I'm also curious about

what,

like, going into the pandemic,

I was I was getting into, like, NFTs. I was following Gary v on that. I was following Yeah. I was getting really big into the NBA Top Shot. I was into, like, a few other random stuff.

Host. What was your reaction to,

like, NFTs,

and, like, every everyone just talking host crypto all of a sudden. You know? Like, you gotta they gotta invest everything in it.

It was crazy, dude. I mean, I I still and I see it happening Right now, again, I don't know if you're dabbling in that, but, like, these new ecosystems,

it's like Solana and say, it's literally, like it's just taking me back host. To the times where I was up at 4 o'clock in the morning on Discord

in 2021.

You know, like, just, you know, just host. Living the life of an NFT, DeJin, basically. Right? Yeah.

But, but, yeah, I'll I'll I'll go again, dude. I,

I was sitting, host. When ETH was, like, less than $2,000

and I was sitting at my laptop

when Gary v was launching VeeFriends.

Host. And I had a bid in for I was gonna put in a bid for, like I don't I think I actually did have a bid in for half an ETH and somebody outbid me by, like,

host. Point o one. Or, you know, very small amount. Right? And,

and I was just, like, screw it. Whatever, dude. Host. 2 weeks later, it's like it's like

oh, dude. It was such a big miss. But, but,

It was, like, 30 ETH or something. I couldn't even remember, but it was just, like, such a huge,

opportunity.

And host. When that happened, I was like, oh my god. Like, this is

so obviously here. And then I just started diving in deeply. Host. I wasn't really early on any, the NFT projects except for maybe, like, there's one called Supducks that I still am a a big fan of, host. Just the artwork and the kind of the story behind it.

Definitely not

doing it's definitely it's had brighter days, in terms of floor price

host. But it does right now. But,

but, yeah. You know, I I just saw I kinda saw I saw the PFP side and that was where I think a lot of people were just, You know, spending their time and energy and definitely made,

made some good money, but mostly converted it all over to Bitcoin in the end. Host. You know, like, I made some money, lost some money throughout that cycle, but but it but it was really just because I wanted to

I just I have a hard time learning if I'm not, like, diving in deep. So if, like, I'm not, like, understanding

why this did this huge,

host. You know, pump overnight,

you know, a 10 x overnight, or if I'm not understanding why,

you know, the technology

like, host. It was just it was just a fascinating human experiment, really is what it was. And it was just, like, I I honestly look fondly upon those times.

Host. Like, you know, I I I think, you

know, I think NFTs are an all time low,

you know. Not financial advice, doing your own research, but if you're gonna buy an NFT and you have host. Thought of them coming back on ETH at any point.

Now's not a bad time to look at them. And, and, yeah, I think, you know,

host. For me, the biggest part was is that when the bear market came,

I was

very aware of how the cycles worked at this point. And I was very aware that the core underlying technology

was still going to be around, and I'm very aware that deep fake videos are going to host. Be something that I think, you know,

it's going to really

screw up a lot of things on social media for people and it's gonna be a big narrative over the next few years, and I don't see whether it's ordinals, whether it's, you know, it could all be on Bitcoin, and in fact, I think that'll be awesome. Host.

But I I ultimately think that blockchain solves so much of these so many of these issues,

and I think there's also music. You know, there's out I I don't know who they are. I don't know how they're doing it, but I would almost guarantee that there are people out there using my music and not giving me any sort of, you know, recognition

host. Or

financial, return for them using my music out there, and that'll all be solved with blockchain. You know? So,

host. Doesn't really matter to me which ecosystem it's it thrives in.

I'm here to dabble in all of them at this point,

recognizing that Bitcoin's

The the one that I mean, if if Bitcoin doesn't work out and I look. It's everything's speculative. I'd I have zero doubt in my soul that Bitcoin will one day, host. You know,

like, we've it's only just begun. You know what I mean? Like, I think we've got a long, long way to go,

host. But, you know,

I'm I'm here to dabble in all the technology. You know, I I love all the technology. I I love that we're in this host. Era that is basically giving us a 1999

Internet window all over again. And not the bad part of 99, which was the bubble that happened, But the good part which was that we finally embraced a new technology. Not everybody did. A very small percentage of people did, but they were awarded heavily for embracing that technology, host. Over the coming decades. Right? And so,

you know, I'm not gonna lie. There's definitely financial sides that that I love about it, you know, and and being able to make a quick buck. Host. But also there's it's it's the underline

I just like being in the game, I guess, is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? And I think,

host. I sat on the sidelines for a little bit too long in the past, so maybe it's kinda like making up for me sitting in the sidelines and feeling like I Had a lot. I mean,

$10 in Bitcoin at a dollar 25 would have been pretty sweet. So Yeah. Like,

you know,

host. Recognizing I missed that, like,

whatever. You know, you can either be sad about that your whole life and feel like, you know, it was the one that got away, or you can host. Show up and start spending your time and energy in learning it. And,

you know, I would say

it's it's kind of

host. It's kind of,

you know, been a huge part of my life, you know, and and I and I think,

I think the other side about NFTs just to kinda,

I guess put a a button, a ribbon on top of this is that or a bow on top of this is that

I was a huge host. Huge Pokemon fan growing up. Just absolutely enamored in it. And I think the collectible side of things I think Pokemon has a long runway also also in a market right now. But but, you know, like, even beyond a speculative asset, it's just

regardless if you wanna bid it or not, like,

host. There's value there. You know, you get attached to these items. Right? And I think NFTs are, you know, At at least in the 2021 market, that was the iteration that we were seeing. Right? And I think eventually, like, people used to collect vinyl or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, I think

host. That is going to evolve

into

it already has. I mean, Wave Lake, you know, we have Soundxyz.

We have,

Vault Music. We have

All these new organizations that are coming out of the woodworks right now. Right?

And one of them is gonna win, and one of them has become the de facto for crypto, host. With music. And I I think I think anything that's associated with Bitcoin will have a longer shelf life than the rest regardless if it becomes the de facto or not. Host.

And also, like, more so than ever, I've seen yeah. So so I think there's a collectible element, I suppose, to to to

all this stuff. You know what I mean? And I think,

I think a lot where

sure. There's people over Bitcoin Maxis who watch the host show. But I think of where a lot of people kinda go wrong there is just like,

yeah,

you're right. 99% of it's gonna fail, but 1% is gonna be a pretty large host. Group of companies in the end. You know what I mean? And, like and, look,

it

you're right. Host. Like, you know, like, maybe they are gonna

be most of it's gonna be snake oil, but there are a,

percentage of them host. That are going to benefit

could very likely benefit an independent artist's career and an independent creator's career.

And,

host. Dude, the stuff that goes on the banks is no different than a record label. You know what I mean? Like, a record label is literally the exact same shit. It's just a bunch of host. Nepotism,

mostly. Yeah. People getting hired because they know people there, and they don't know the answers. They're just shooting things in the dark, and they're,

host. Unfortunately, you know, playing a game where they

are gambling with artist careers and lives. You know what I mean? And and and it's

host. It's changing very rapidly, and I think all this technology is going to fundamentally shift it, in the long run. So

So tell me how you got involved with Wave Lake. Like, what's Your understanding of that because

I've been aware of Wave Lake, since, like, the summer of, like, 2023,

summer, like,

early fall. Got it. Host. And,

I'm not sure if you're aware, but all the music that's on Wave Lake can be found in podcasting apps. It's actually

Distributed similarly

as a podcast. So there's this it's it's like the complete inverse of an NFT or and Blockchain.

Right. It's open distribution. It's RSS feeds.

It's all this. Like, how did you become aware of,

of this one website, first of all? Host. Be com be completely honest, man.

So I have a shotgun shell approach to all of this right now, so that's why Wave Lake became one of those. Right? You know? Host. Meaning I just think that,

like, crypto and music should be tied together, and it will be in a meaningful way over the coming years.

Host. Last week,

same day that the b ETF got approved,

I went to a,

meeting, which is actually the first time I had been to 1. And the They call it the Bitcoin Commons here in Austin. A lot of basically people who,

this particular forum was for how small businesses integrate host. Bitcoin into their,

basically their balance sheet, and they can start taking Bitcoin for their companies. Company called Zaprite who's based out of I believe based out of Austin,

host. Who hosted it, and, just some phenomenal

people there who believe in Bitcoin and believe in, like, the future of Bitcoin.

And

host. And obviously, I've been heating up over, you know, the la I I've

in a bear market, often it becomes sort of like a lone soldiers host. Kroll. For me, historically. Right? I just haven't had, like I've had a couple friends here or there, but not people that I see on a daily basis every single day who are,

host. Don't take this wrong way. Drinking the Kool Aid. You know, truly believe in the future of Bitcoin. You know what I mean? And truly believe in,

you know,

host. The life changing technology that we have on our hands. Right?

And so going there, I was very refreshed and and had some really cool companies. Host. Like, one was like a rancher who, like, basically,

has

his entire like, he accepts Bitcoin, And 35 to 40% of his revenue comes from Bitcoin, and he literally sells,

like, yeah, produce basically. Meats, host. You know, from cows,

I think he does, you know, chickens too. Like, just just a farm basically. You know, a family farm that has been around in East Austin for a really long time. Host. And he's a part of it. And then there's also a company called Crowd Health, which was a, basically a payer

side where they accept Bitcoin and they're, you know, Kind of trying to redefine what the

medical insurance company side is and and and how,

host. You know, how it can basically, you know,

be integrated with the world that, that aligns with the values that people have with Bitcoin host. Or Bitcoin holders have.

And then, there was also, like, a, you know,

a a doctor there who had a a practice that they accept Bitcoin for. Right? And And so they're all talking about their experiences with it. And there was an individual there. His name's John. He goes by the at the Bitcoin Yogi who Who was there and I was telling him about my music and he was kinda telling me about,

his life. He he,

you know, has been a part of Bitcoin for some time, but also is,

host. You know, like, has a family, is, like, a yoga does, like, fitness, does yoga instruction, stuff like that.

And he was, like, host. Wouldn't stop talking about Wave Link. He just kept bringing up Wave Link. So I was like, okay. Well, you know, I'm gonna take this as a sign that I don't need to go see what Wave Link is. Host. And I went on Wavelink and I started listening and I was like, wow. Like, not only is there some real talent here, like, this is it feels pretty early. You know, it feels like this is a platform that is,

that's backed by Bitcoin. I mean, it's backed by the Lightning Network, and it's and it's

host. Only going to grow in my opinion because, you know, there's no

like, Bitcoin fans are different than the rest of host. The fans. You know, like, a Bitcoin fan, somebody who believes that truly believes in Bitcoin

compared to somebody who truly believes in Ethereum or host. Go down to whatever coin you want to. Right? Like, they're just different breeds. Like, I I there's

it's host. Mhmm. Orders of magnitudes greater for conviction for people who hold Bitcoin.

And so

to see that Wave Lake Has come and been like, yo. Like, we're here to stay, and we built an environment

that, you know,

can

host. Like, for me, you know,

when I've I I have slowly come to find out that they are fed through other feeds and they and they are,

host. You know, making it accessible to other platforms so people can leverage them, but,

I wasn't at first. When I first got on there, I was just, like, Oh, cool. There's, like, a chart here, and if people like your music and they, you know, send you satoshis, cool. I'll climb up the charts. You know what I mean? And,

and

host. Then I was just started digging a little bit deeper and trying to really embrace it. And,

and yeah. Like, I'm I'm only been on there about a week now,

but I but I

host. And I probably don't truly understand the technology, so I'd love for you to kinda if you have any other thoughts or things that you wanna break down for me, I truly love and appreciate that. But ultimately, I know that

it's just a gut feeling that that's where I'm supposed to be. And that, like, there's going to be value here long term. And that,

host. Like, I'd be an idiot not to upload my music on the Lightning Network if I had the opportunity to, you know? And up until recently, I just didn't know that that was even, like, host. Something that was happening. You know what I mean? Like, it it it,

kinda just all hit me once, I guess. Yeah.

Host. Yeah, man. I mean, so that that that's really cool that you've only been on it for a week because you were, like, number 5. I only found your song 1 night because you were number 5 on the chart, art. And I was like, oh, I like this song. Crazy. Yeah, man. So, like like, that's definitely like, it it is new. Like, you're super early. So this is a move that's definitely smart.

Host. You're definitely on it. Yeah. I can go into it because,

so this is a side of the Internet that's been,

host.

Quieter than the NFTs. It's a totally different vibe than any other

company or any other pitch for crypto because what's going on is So,

like, you listen to podcasts. Right? I'm guessing you do? Of course. So

there's an individual

who this guy, host. The inventor of podcasting.

He he created it back in 2003.

And throughout the last 20 some years, host. He's been doing his own show. He's been involved

with, which is, like, the infrastructure of a lot of different things, and,

he realized during the pandemic that Apple was like the de facto

podcasting

situation,

and what and why that's dangerous is because of censorship and and everything. Whenever you centralize

host. The technology, there's a higher, chance of that happening, and,

he didn't want that to happen. He didn't want podcasting to be centralized and be taken over by Big Tech,

host. And so he so he started, like, an open source project

to strengthen

podcasting.

Host. And with that, all all that means is that he had developers

help him

create more,

more interoperability

with RSS feeds. Host. So the same tech that you use for a blog or for a podcast,

he wanted to enhance the ability or the usability

of an RSS feed. Host. And he sorta had this vision of, like, all types of media can be an RSS feed and then can be distributed,

host, openly.

And and and the whole caveat to all this is, like, okay. Well, what's what's the payment? Like, how do you get paid for your work?

Host. And because of and and he, Adam Curry is a Bitcoiner.

He got into Bitcoin and, like, he was given, like, 70 host. 5 Bitcoin in 2013 or something like that. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He's he's that guy,

and his story No. Yeah, dude. Yeah. Host. Hit now his whole story is crazy because when when Bitcoin hit a 1,000,

he sold, like,

all of it, like, most of all of it. Host. And I mean, that's what I'm dude, then we didn't know. We had no idea we did not know what we were doing at that point. Exactly.

Host.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So so so he has a similar,

journey that that you had. He sold it. Host. He knew that it was a mistake, and he was just trying to get back into it.

And, he decided to to put a, to invest heavily during the pandemic when it went down to, host, 6 grand.

And then along with that, that's when the project started. That's when he started getting developers,

with him, and

and

slowly but surely,

The whole thing is called modern podcasting or podcasting 2 point o, just like a as like a loose term.

And,

so all the focus host. And in 2020, 2021,

most of 2022

was how can we,

make podcasting stronger.

Host. And then it got to a point where they said, okay. I think we're I think we have all the little things that we need for a podcast. Host. How can we expand that to a new medium, and, like, what's that medium?

And everyone focused in on music,

host. And this is when the developers for Wave Lake stepped in

and people's, and this is like an open source project. People just from around the world Listening to Adam Curry talk, you know, they're just deciding

to code something. They're just choosing to help out and volunteer.

Host. There were already a bunch of different,

like, modern podcasting apps that were already

using,

using this modern tech.

And host. Wave Lake came out, and when Wave Lake came out, that enabled

the artist to upload their music. They essentially became host. The Bitcoin, Spotify. You know? That's, like, that's sort of, like, how I see that. But, Just distribution, basically. They're, like, hey. We're gonna allow you to distribute

So that other people can have access to your music. Exactly. Exactly. So and that all happened, and it's been an evolution of host. Different,

I'm not sure if you know anything about, like, producing a podcast, but you need a a hosting company. You need a hosting site to host all your files and to host your your media.

Host. And so what's been and so what's been going on is there's hosting companies

that are opening up, that are allowing artists

to host upload their songs directly to the hosting site

so so you don't have to give a chunk of it to Wave Lake. You can have full control of it with your own hosting site

host. Because that's the same yeah. Because that's the same technology Same thing. As a podcast. Yeah. So and then during that project,

All it is is just a Bitcoin wallet. They just plug in the Bitcoin wallet. So Wave Lake, all they did was plug in the wallet to your feed,

host. And it's the same situation if you're to have a podcasting host. But the real innovation is that you're able to openly distribute on podcasting apps host. With the payment system lightning

with Bitcoin lightning,

and

that's not centralized.

You know, it's decentralized.

It's open

source. It's open source media,

and the reason why I'm not sure if you saw, you actually got A few 100 Satoshis last week when I played your song. Yeah. From Joel w. And that's all because so in my hosting site, host. When I was creating my, my episode,

I'm able to just search for your song, and it's just like a little click and add, like, just copy paste.

Host. And then your so it's, like, it it's all just it's all RSS feeds connecting to each other. Right? So your feed connected to my feed, and then I was able to host. Give you a split of money coming in. And so for the duration of the time that your song plays, so as soon as your song starts host. And as soon as it ends, that period of time whenever someone,

we we call it boosting. Whenever someone sends in a boost, host. You get whatever that split is, and I usually set it to 60%.

Other podcasters will give you a different host. Split, if your song is on That's so sick. Yeah. It's crazy, dude. It's crazy. And and so this is all from Adam Curry. Right? Like, Adam Curry had this Had this vision. The inventor of podcasting

had this vision, and

the other side of this whole thing is music podcasting.

Host. And so what you have now is

the

it's just like the radio, but it's a podcast. You can play independent music host. And on a podcast,

and you can set it up for the artist to get paid directly.

And that's what I did on my podcast last week. Adam Curry does that every week on his

music podcast, Boostagram Ball. So you can reach out to him and try to get your music on that show. He told he's totally open for for that. Host.

And then so the so so this is the real new ecosystem, dude. Like, big like,

NFTs are real. Blockchain is real. Like, I'm host. Like, I'm for that and and I see that vision for for collectibles and stuff and and for live events and tickets,

but in terms of

open distribution

host. And the individual having control

over their work,

in my opinion, it's RSS feeds, and it's this system that that we're using right now, Wave Lake, host, and and Lightning Network.

And is it all automated? Like, do you basically have, like, the or do you have to manually kind of Send the payments through at the moment. Like, how how does that all work? All I need to do is link up your wallet.

So what I was gonna do so so there was actually host. So this is where we get into, like, splits and and money splits. So I gave you Sure. So last week, I gave you a 60% split

for the duration of your song. Host. For this episode,

I'm gonna be editing it. I'll I'll be playing some of your songs fully,

and so that same so that same scenario will be happening. Host. But along with that, whenever we whenever the episode goes back to just us talking,

I wanna give you, like, a 30% split. Host. So whenever someone boosts in

and,

you'll get 30% of that if it's during the moments of us just talking.

And so you'll just need a That's so cool. Yeah. I just need a lightning,

a wallet. That's all you need. You just need a lightning wallet, and then I copy paste that into my episode,

host. In my hosting site, and then

that gets distributed to all the modern podcast apps. And they all have they can see my feed. So they have, host. Like, they know what wallet to go to. They know

what the percentages are. It's not I guess it's automated, but, like,

it's just, like, the Lightning Network.

Host. That's so cool. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, man.

It's nuts. Yeah. I I see what you're saying. Yeah. It's the so so host. This is so fascinating. Right? Like and how long has this scene been happening? Since early 20

or, I guess, early 2021, probably? Yes. So around then, like, host. The pandemic is when the project

podcasting 2.0 begun.

Music was introduced.

They started working on music in this project host. In 2020 late 2022,

2023.

So cool. Okay. Yeah, man. So so there's a whole new rabbit hole to to dive into.

Host. In the RSS feed, like, is there would you be able to send me over, like, a couple,

people that I could, you know, kinda Yeah. Absolutely. Set you up on this? I mean, yeah. So The whole thing the the the first thing I can tell you is, there's this guy named Kyron Down. He produces a show called the Value for Value Show, host. And that's a good overview

of,

of what the value for value system is, but also he talks about the apps. He talks host. About the technology, he talks about

how an individual can implement it for themselves.

That's on I I think if you just look up host. The value value for value

in any podcast. I think he does it on YouTube as well.

I just don't remember. I think he's on, like, a break right now, so I just don't remember. Host. But Kyron Down for sure. Look him up. And then just look up any value for value thing, value for value Adam Curry,

or look up any

Anything with value for value in Bitcoin in that? Because that's sort of, like, the overarching

idea.

Yeah. My head's spinning right now a little bit, but I think

No. That's cool. Let's go, dude. It's crazy.

And this is, like, what I like, I am very, like,

I trust my gut. You know what I mean? And I've had to learn that the hard way. I think, like, early twenties. I think just becoming a I think it's kind of become part of becoming a man, host. And a lot or maybe just a a decent human being. It doesn't just it's not just it's not gender biased. But, but yeah. Like, you know, I think,

host. That is part of, like, embracing who you are is do you trust your gut? And I just knew from the moment that I heard Wave Luck that I had to go explore it and see what it is. And it sounds like, You know, you're you're explaining to me why that was. You know what I mean? It was, like, there there is a a huge opportunity here. And I I think, like, the beauty of it is to me, host. Even beyond, like, I mean, money is one thing and, like, getting actually paid for your for your I mean, it's necessary. Right? It's just it's just how if we're gonna do this as our careers, that's just part of what has to happen. Host. Right? But beyond that, man, like, it's really more about, like, a transparent

ecosystem.

It's really more about a fair ecosystem.

You know, it's it's really about, host.

You know, like, even this whole thing that I went to last week, right, at the Bitcoin Commons where I heard about Wave Lake,

host. Our values are all aligned. You know what I mean? Like, the doctor and the the the butcher and the or the rancher, sorry, and the, host. You know, the the health insurance company and the guy who put on the event, like, ultimately, like, our values are are are very similar, which is that, like, host. You know,

the system hasn't done us that greatly

and, you know, there's a new way of happening. And, like, it's so host. Cool. Because to me because I think it it's

we're reinventing

thing. We've reinvented things over and over and over again, but we're starting to actually go in the right direction

of what benefits creators. And I think,

The right time, and I I think I've,

just feels right. I don't know how to describe that. It just feels like this like, as soon as I got on wavelength Wave Wake's website. I was like, okay. Wow.

This this is, like,

obviously

obviously, like, host. The UI is is dope, and I I like the UI. But just, like, even being able to go on there

and

see other musicians

who have dropped, like, host. Exclusive songs on there and then to see that they're, like, there's a leaderboard and you can get discovered and, it just the whole thing is

host. It's very exciting to me. So I got a lot of research to do, but I think, I'll we'll be in touch, dude. I think you'll be able to help guide me through it quite a bit. Yeah. Yo. Please, message me anytime because this host whole thing. Like like, I'm just chill with it. You know? Like, this is a whole new thing. I want more artists to do it. Me as a filmmaker, you know, I'm the only filmmaker in this system as well. So host. I'm sort of, like, I'm sort of the first one trying to put movies in this system,

so I'm sort of running with scissors there. But,

host. The, another,

there is one other artist you should look up,

who's been really capitalizing on all this. Her name is Ainsley Costello.

Host. She's in Nashville.

She is a similar she's, like, she describes herself as pretty punk. That's her vibe. Oh, cool. Sort of like an Avril Lavigne type. She's really cool. Host. Wow.

And she was actually Into it. Yeah. Automatically. Right? She has this dope song named Cherry on Top. You gotta listen to that, Cherry on Top. Host. Done. Done. Ainsley. So Cherry on Top was the first value for value hit.

So in August 2023,

host. Ainsley

skyrocketed to the charts, and she was, like, the first artist to really, like, blow up and to make a splash. Host. Wow. And and her one song

got over 1,000,000 satoshis

in just, like, 2 or 3 weeks.

Host. Wow. Yeah, man. So that's the real and that's the real opportunity. And that this whole thing is so when it comes to, like, discoverability

and leaderboards,

host. Like, it it it's good to have those on a website,

but the opportunity with this RSS situation and the podcasting apps host. Is you're able like, as an artist, like, you you're doing it right now. You're on a podcast,

and I'm playing your music,

and you're being able to be

paid for it. Host. And that's different than if you were to do an interview with, like, Apple or BBC or any other thing. You know? For sure. Host. So so it's about it it it turns into the artist

should be engaging with other people's other humans, podcasters,

host. And people are sharing music, and people are sharing ideas, and

it's like a like this is the human

the system, you know, like, that's how I view it. Host. And that's I I I think it's beautiful. I think it's amazing. And this year, I'm leaning into interviewing more artists. That's why I I reached out to you. That's why I was just wanting to do that because, you know, anyone using Wave Lake, you know, that they're just experimenting with a new thing. So just trying to get, like, you know, what is this host. My situation, like, how is everyone thinking? How is everyone

observing this? And it's, totally new thing. Ainsley, and Ainsley is, like, on it. She just did a live concert host. And,

it was her and another artist,

named Just Loud,

and they did a live show in Nashville,

host. And they actually live streamed the concert

on the modern podcasting apps as well. They streamed the concert

on the apps, host. And the 2 of them made, like, 1,000 of dollars, like, $3,000

each. I'm pretty sure.

Wow. Yeah. It is. Yeah. So cool. Yeah. So so it it host. So, like, in terms of, you know, whether it's video,

whether it's music,

it can handle all of it. Like, there's no challenges

and live streaming even. I'm sure, like, live streaming, there's probably more complicated than just uploading music or Doing a podcast and uploading the podcast afterwards. Right? Yeah. But it sounds like, you know

because RSS feeds. Like, I remember them. Right? You know, I can remember the blog era. I can remember trying to get my music on blogs way back in the day and having no idea what I was doing. Right? Mhmm.

So it's it's it's It's just so interesting that that's, like, come back full circle. And,

and you know, Adam Curry,

I've seen him before. I I can't remember exactly where, but I've definitely seen Adam Curry on several different,

maybe Joe Rogan's podcast. I don't know. I'm I've definitely seen him on, host.

On the Internet before. Yeah. He's been on Joe Rogan that quite a bit. Research to do. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. The father of podcasting. Yeah. Podfather. That's why he's called the Podfather host. Because he invented

podcasting. You know? That's where that comes from. So fucking cool. Yeah. It it a little research to do, you guys. Host. Yeah. Sorry to the audience. I'm I'm out of the loop here, guys. I'm I'm, like, literally, you know, Cole's freaking doing god's work here, teaching me, you know, the way, man. So, I apologize for my ignorance. Like, it's I'm I'm just I'm being honest, I guess.

No, dude. No. It's all love, dude. Host. It's all love, dude. No. Because the the crazy thing is actually,

this thing has been so niche,

and when Ainsley came in, you know, she She's 19. She's, like, 20 years old,

and the and the only reason she found out about it was because,

her and her parents, host. They were at, the Bitcoin Park in Nashville, and and Wave Lake was there.

And that's how they found out about Wave Lake, and they're just host. Interested in the technology. Interested in being able

to post and distribute and make

have a payment

host. Open source and and decentralized. So it it it started out niche, but you're in that, like, next wave, you know? Like, that's what I think is happening. We're getting, like, that first wave

of true artists to see the opportunity

and to really, like,

try to go for it because then it's about in my view, I think it's about host. Combining it with the social media. Right. Combine it with your with your reels. Combine it with your shorts.

Keep going on podcast, you know, like, because this this episode is gonna be on YouTube as well. So people on YouTube are hearing about Wave Lake. People on YouTube are hearing about the modern podcasting apps, and host. It just And I'm all about that. You know? Yeah. I like I've almost thought about,

you know, a lot of host. I don't know about a lot, but there are, you know, probably

somewhere between

50 to a 100 musicians host. Who come to me for advice for a certain, you know, how to promote their music. Right? And,

I'm not gonna lie. You know? Like, I think There's a lot of people out there who just struggle

super, super hard with, like, what what is, you know, the next best thing. Host. And, you know, also there's more content created than ever, so there's so many people giving people opinions out there.

And, you know, to like, host. I you know, you talk about how Itunes or or Apple is the,

you know, 800 pound gorilla in podcasting. Right? Well, Spotify is that for music. Spotify so much that people won't even like they'll they'll go from not thinking I'm a musician at all, like, basically, like, you know, giving me a cold shoulder To looking at my Spotify monthly listeners and being like, oh, wait wait wait. We should, we should, collaborate or we should, you know, do x, y, and z. Right? And it's it's just host. And I don't even have that, you know, in the overall scheme of things, I don't even have that many. As an independent artist, I do.

But, like, think about it, dude. Like, today, I have, like, a 160

some odd 1,000 monthly listeners on Spotify. Right? But I don't know those people. I mean, I know some of them, but, like, host. There's no way for me to develop a relationship with the majority of those individuals. Imagine if a 162,000

people,

like, were host. Listening to my music on Wave Lake. You know what I mean? Or Mhmm. Or or or even just

ex had exposure whether through podcast or host. Through a movie that you upload, you know, or whatever. You know what I mean? Like,

if they had exposure my music that way, like, imagine

host. How much different of a life I would live is I mean, not only from a monetary perspective, but just from a community perspective.

And so I think about that, host. And I I I think,

I'm very blessed and very thankful for the opportunities that I've had from a platform like Spotify. But at the end of the day, like, it's

host. Technology changes constantly. There's always new opportunities.

And if the Internet's taught me anything, it's that there's

host. Niches are the way of the future. You know what I mean? It's like there's all these corners of the Internet, and and I think,

it's it's, You know, what is the Internet? Like, how could you even singly define what the Internet is today. Right? You kidding. You know what I mean? And then you put web 3 on top of that or you put, You know, the Lightning Network on top of that, and I think it's just,

it's a really promising future that we have here and,

you know, it it's

host. The vehicles that we're using today that sort of define what the industry is,

I think they

host. Could be gone tomorrow. You know what I mean? Like, it's as simple as that. So so I'm, but whereas I I do not think that this technology,

host. You know, it's gonna be gone tomorrow. You know? There's Yeah. Bitcoin's kind of prove proving everybody wrong for a long fucking time, and it will continue to do so. Host. Yeah. Oh,

so, so anyway, that's that's awesome. Yeah, man. It's I think it's key. Bitcoin is key for everything. Bitcoin fixes everything. Host. So it's one of those things where it's it's like if you have the viewpoint that Bitcoin can strengthen,

the banking

host them, or bitcoin can strengthen any economy. You know, right now with this system, bitcoin is strengthening

host. Open source

distribution,

and that's insane. Like, that's the real opportunity.

Sure. Host. So that it it it it's brand new. So we're just moving slowly, you know, taking it day by day.

For sure, dude. I I wanted to also know about,

host. Who, like, who inspires you as an artist? Like, you you went from rock and roll to to sort of more pop.

Who who's influencing you with all this stuff?

Host. Man, I think it's just, like, I am a true nineties baby. So so I I mean, there's I I can go I'll go through a lot of influences in particular in a second, host. But, like, I'm a true nineties baby. Whereas, like, in the same week where I was listening to, you know,

Fall Out Boy or whoever, you know, whoever was, like, You know, the the awesome rock band back in the early 2000,

or even before that, I had grown up my whole life on hip hop and, host. Like, old soul records. Right? And,

and pop, of course. You know, the first,

CD I always tell people that I ever got Was an Aaron Carter CD, RFP.

But but yeah. I know. Aaron Carter Aaron Carter CD, dude. And it was, host. You know, Aaron Carter was like I mean, his music was good at the time, but it was, like, you know, in sync or Backstreet Boys, Little Brother. I I can't remember which one. Right?

Host. But yeah. Like, Aaron Carter was it it he had it,

and so,

you know, the singing and the production there was instilled in me at a very young age. I also think I had, like, a Now 5. You know, that's that's Now that's what we call hits 5 CD or something like that. So just all this, like, A collection of, you know, a a collected group of music that I was listening to, r and b, hip hop, pop, and then rock. You know, those were kinda like the 4 ranges.

Host.

But growing up, being like a at least for me, you know,

as time went on, I got host. Even way, way more into hip hop and way more into rock too. You know, I was making rock music,

singer songwriter, Dave Matthews Band, all these groups kind of just I was into everything. Right?

And I would listen to it just on my ipod, you know, that would be the craziest mix of songs that I would have. Right? And I always kind of host. Lean towards

there's this music that I want to make, this broad horizon of new music, this new era

That we're living in. The Sean Rabin ding that I could see coming. You know what I mean? And especially when I was, like, in high school, I could really

see, you know,

host. And I guess, like, Kanye and certain people were, like, doing the singing and rapping, but I wouldn't necessarily call that the true genre bending that I was like, host. You know, I saw coming. Right? I was like, eventually, this is gonna change where rappers aren't just gonna rap. They're gonna sing and rap and host. Play instruments,

and it's just gonna be like this fusion. Right?

But I was absolutely terrified

of doing, you know, anything

That had that wasn't, like, me being the lead singer of a rock band because that was my comfort zone and that's what people identified me as, and that's what I built my whole, like, name, live like, livelihood host. Really, you know, like,

and so

eventually I got over that fear. And I would say particularly when I started producing, I kind of, like, host. You know, started to lean into

what do I actually like and, like, what what kind of music is, like,

innovative to me. Innovation is a big part of it. It's like how I wanna make music that, like,

hasn't really been made

necessarily before. Make I'm sure there's similar music to the music that I put out, but, like, I wanna put the daddy Nat stamp on it. I want it to be, you know, true to,

who I am, which is an individual,

you know,

and

host. And I and I didn't want

to be defined by just being, like, a a lead singer of a rock band. So, you know, I I kinda would say that, Look. Because that'll make a little more sense when I sprinkle into my biggest influences.

But, like, from a very young age,

I think you could obviously say, like, all those host. Aaron Carter, the now five hits, and all that stuff definitely influenced me.

But I would say

beyond that, host. It was,

it was

really, it evolved into classic rock. So Led Zeppelin played a huge, like, And while I was in early, you know, probably early 2000. Right? You just Led Zeppelin, ACDC, all these rock and roll bands. Host. I just fell in love with that. Tom Petty. You know, these just

amazing

sounds. These these these people who, like,

host. You'd walk into a bar and I'd see all these people older than me singing it and younger people singing it. And it was just, like, these anthems that were created. And And I think there was a lot of anthems created in the classic rock era. Right?

And then that eventually,

you know, alongside,

I I was also listening to Lil Wayne. I was also listening to Eminem. I was also listening to, you know, these sort of complete opposites. Right?

And,

but But I was very private about that for the most part. Unless it was, like, at a party, you know, like, it it's, like, you know, there was but but, but for the most part, I was, like, host. You know, I loved it, but I was never gonna make that type of music. Right? And,

then

sort of sometime along the era, host. You know, I I kind of, you know,

took a liking

to probably, like,

host. And some people are gonna take this the wrong way too, but, like,

Drake really inspired me in a way because Drake like, early Drake.

2008 Oh, dear. 10th grade. Oh, my. All

I know. I know. It's gonna shock a lot of people. But he was doing shit that, like, nobody else is willing to do, which was making R and B host. And making hip hop, you know, and making rap. Right? And,

and

I saw that on top of, like, You know, you would have, like, the Black Keys who were also kinda becoming popular around that time, and they were, you know,

not

host. Not doing the exact same thing that was reinvented the wheel, but I just finally like, I love the black keys, but I I drew a distinction in my head that I was like, I don't wanna just host. I wanna do something different, man. You know, like, Tatum and Paul, another huge group that I was a huge fan of. Like, they just yeah. They were Reinventing psychedelic music, but they were actually reinventing it. It wasn't just

the same old crap. Like and I don't that's not the right word for it. But It wasn't just the same old thing, you know. It was it was innovation.

And I think,

because I like so many different music, because everybody that I knew, host. You know, would listen to,

you know, a Biggie song and then,

you know,

freaking host. Van Halen. You know what I mean? It was like they just the the differences in sounds were so often. I I just kind of eventually got to a point where I was like, okay. Host. I want to

I wanna be in genres. I wanna not be put into a box, you know. I I don't wanna I don't wanna play

host. The same sounding thing. And that

honestly

has benefited my career as an independent artist and host.

Caused, I would say, probably

problems for my career slightly when it came to going the traditional route host. Of, like, going with a major label. Right? If I just done 1 night, which 1 night has kind of always been the song of mine that's just kind of, host. You know, floated to the top and gave me a lot of exposure and and really allowed me to do this full time.

But host. That song, if I just made 5 other songs that were in the same vein of that song, I do think there would have been some benefits from playing the corporate sort of label game. Host. But

I just wasn't willing to do that. I wasn't willing to, like, put out the same type of song.

Again,

host. Purely, like, the inner artist in me. You know what I mean? It was just, like, the I just really didn't wanna do that. So

host. So that's a long winded way again of saying, like, you know, I I really like genre bending. I really like early innovators. I mean, host. You know, if we're going to people who, like, really influence my decision making around the genre bending side, I think you go everybody from,

you know, Prince, host. Tom Petty is a big influence of mine just through and through. It really became about songwriting.

You know? It became about, like, what how do you make a good record?

Host. And how do you make a record that makes people feel good and that has nothing to do with genre? You know what I mean? In my opinion, it has everything to do with How the song was written and,

you know, I think I

have found a happy medium between those two worlds where I'm I'm putting out music that I think when you hear it, host. It does sound like a Daddy Nat song now, but I also think there's, you know, a few, few different variations of of

host. What I can

do and

it allows me to,

you know, express myself, I think, fully artistically

host. And not just be boxed into one

singular

sound.

So, you know, there's

host. Some entrepreneurialism,

I guess, tied into that too. We're just not wanting to be stuck in one singular lane,

and host. I make what I wanna make, you know? Yeah. That's cool, man. Now I remember, I think I feel like we're in the same vein of music. I if you were to see my iPod, my iPod classic from

2009 or something. You would see

Kanye, Lil Wayne, you know, there Lil Wayne was on that one rock and roll song, like, Let It Rock. Gordon. Yes, man. I was just I was on repeat all day long, dude, for the longest time for me. That was such a sick song, dude. It was, man. Park. I I got that. The only The only The only Like, yes. Park and Jay z, like, that Paul did heavily influence me. Oh, man. Not all thinking back. Yeah. Yeah, man. Blue I think it was blueprint 3 whenever Empire State of Mind. What, like, I was I had that on. I had listened to and then I was getting into Queen. I was getting into Journey. Stay. And so when you mentioned the ballads, Like, I'm like, oh, I really vibe with those ballads. I really like the ballads. And it's so interesting. It's it's funny how it's interesting how host. When you look

back and you see the different

eras of music or you can even, like, pick any anything, architecture

or whatever. Host. It almost seems like Sure. In in that certain era,

there was, like, nothing else to do or, like, there was nowhere else to go. Like, It's always like like they had to make this style. They had to make this type of movie, this type of song, and and because they had to, because it's sold, because it host. Did something to them. It was sold. Exactly. And and and it was because of like, it was almost necessary for them to do it. And if they didn't do that, it it didn't work. And now host. I feel like we're in an era where

what was once necessary

can now be an aesthetic.

And now you can combine

the aesthetics,

host. And you can, like, just do what you want with that, and you can play with that. So you're on the right path, man. I I see that because I first of all, with this new ecosystem on Wave Lake and Podcasting 2.0 stuff. Like, I want more hip hop. I want more pop. I want more connecting stuff. Like, I want more r and b. Yeah. Like, this is important stuff. Because host. Because, the first wave of the music, you know, and I'm not saying the music's bad, but

some music is was not, like, for me, like, you know. I just wasn't resonating with host. A lot of the music that was being played, you know, and some of it is, like, specific to Bitcoin. You know, some of it is, like, specific to to a person's faith. Some of it is specific to, you know, whatever whatever the person's perspective was, you know, you're getting that independent

viewpoint.

Right. But for me There's a lot of independent rock bands

host too. You know, like and so I hear a lot of rock on there too. Sorry I didn't mean to cut you off. No. Like, I know exactly what you're saying. Yeah, man. It's it's just one of those things where I host. I saw how early it was, and I've been waiting

for more people like you with the style that you bring,

to come into play because, you know, that's where That's like like Ainsley Costello, you know. Her song went went up because it's like a pop song. It sounds like an Avril Lavigne song. It sounds like host. Something that we would, like, Brock out to in 2006 or something.

And and and, like, that's why, like, people wanna vibe with you host. And people want there's also, like, a sense of, I think, for just as me as a consumer,

like, of the music, there's, like, a sense of familiarity and, like, a safety host. With, like, if something sounds poppy, you know, if something sounds, like, a little familiar, but then there's, like, a little twist. There's a little difference. Exactly. There's a little thing. And host. Yeah. And that's the innovation.

That's exactly right, man. And that's something I really had to learn the hard way personally is, like, writing, you know, 100, if not Over a 1000 songs, you know. It's like I learned that

you really like, you do have to

host. You have to you have to, like,

recognize that people want something familiar

with a minor twist. Host. Yeah. And as you build your career, you can make that twist a little bit more. You could do some weird stuff eventually. Right? Host. But to really draw people in

like, for me, I'm from East Texas. Right? And I have a I don't know if you can hear it, but I have a southern accent. You know what I mean? And and a lot of people,

host. Well, call me out on that all the time. I don't really hear it, but I I but I know I do. Right? And forever, I would try to sing songs

like I didn't have an accent. You know what I mean? I try to sing them so proper.

And then I started to realize that, like, that's who you are. Not only is it who you are, It can also be charming in its own way, if done the right way. So it's like, to me, it's blending that

love for hip hop, That love for pop, that love for rock and and soul and blues too, and then fusing it with, you know, who I am, which is somebody who grew up in Podunk nowhere, host. You know? And and, yeah, I grew up on the Internet also. So, like, you know, I was in a podunk nowhere on the Internet, but, like,

you

host. You have to be who you are, and it takes some time sometimes of just trial and error personally. Not everybody. There are certain artists out there who just know exactly who they are host. Super early. Sounds like Ainsley knows she's 19 years old. Like, I didn't know who I was at 19 like that. Right?

So I I commend people who have that. Right? There's an artist in in,

Austin that I'm very gonna I'm gonna talk about getting on here because I think he will host. Absolutely Explode,

named Short Life. He's actually on my song Wish Me Well, which,

he might have played,

he he's like a Spanglish

host. Indeed trap

pop artist or something. You know what I mean? It's like all these different genres. Right?

And he's from Monterrey, Mexico. He's very authentic to who he is. Right? But, like, I I just think that

And he knows who he is. And he knows what his identity is. He knows what his branding is, and he knows what his music is. And I think all those things,

For me, it took a bit longer of me kinda turning the knobs and being, like, wait, who really am I? You know? And and what do I really want? And, like, You know, what do I really care about? And how does my music sound? And I I think,

it's always been there, but through trial and error and keep going, it just it gets me, host. I don't know. Like, just you just get step a step closer. You know what I mean? Just kinda like yeah. You

you have to experiment sometimes to really, like, host. Evolve.

Yeah. Totally, man. I agree with that, man. I think that's you gotta make yourself a little uncomfortable, you know, and there's, like, host. People,

it it's crazy how, like, during, like, the NFT era,

people were willing to be uncomfortable and, like, give their life savings to a JPEG.

Host. But at the same time, they were, like, they saw an opportunity with it. So it's, like, it's it's just about seeing the opportunity

and being host. K with being uncomfortable and being okay with

trying to learn something new. I mean, if yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, like and again, I I think,

host. The beauty of this is I'd I'd a beauty of, like, the lightning network and music being on the lightning network and accessible through,

the modern podcasting. That's that's the I'm saying that right? Modern podcasting? Yeah. Absolutely. Like, the the the through through being accessible is this, host. Is that,

like, the foundation

is already guaranteed right. If any of this crypto stuff is gonna work out, Bitcoin will be the big daddy. You just did. You know what I mean? It's just it's just the it's the one.

And so

I don't

some people would consider it risky. I don't think it's risky at all. I think it's just, like, it eventually was gonna happen, and, like, you know, I think I think me seeing ordinals was also part of the reason that I got to where I am now. Because host. Seeing that people were going on here

and speculating like degens on Bitcoin. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, let's just be honest. Like, again, I understand why, host. But, especially if they were coming from another ecosystem into Bitcoin and they wanted to be early here or if they just been here forever, you know, and they finally have something to do with their Bitcoin. Right? Like, host. I think,

or or something more to do with their Bitcoin. Be able to spend it easily. Like, I think

all those things,

host. Like, it's all happened so quickly. It's all happened so freaking quickly.

And,

and

In a weird way, although I might not have, like, been able to articulate it a few years ago,

I knew that this was the answer. I knew that host. Building on top of Bitcoin,

I just didn't think it was gonna happen this fast. I thought, you know, there was gonna be, you know,

host. Maybe not a layer too, but, you know, some something within,

Bitcoin that was going to

outshine the rest, host. And, and here we are. So cool. The beautiful new world.

Yeah, man. It is a beautiful new world, man.

How much time do you have left, by the way? I know you we said 90 minutes.

Host. Yeah. I got about 10 minutes left. I can be a little bit late to the next pod next not pod podcast. Like, some next meeting I have. In midnight.

Host. But yeah. Yeah. Right?

But I definitely do I would love and I don't know kinda what your schedule is,

host. But a couple things. One is I would love to do another podcast with you at some point just purely because it's,

a lot of fun, host. And I enjoy it. And I think you've got a,

very interesting background on a very interesting platform and a great personality for podcasting. So this has been a lot of fun.

Host. But number 2 is,

when will this podcast drop? Because I want to release another song on wave link or wave lake, sorry, that day. Host. Yeah. I was gonna

the original idea was this Sunday,

if if it if the song is ready. If it's not ready, I can totally wait to release it host for it to be ready. Nah. I'll Yeah. I have something in the catalog I can definitely release. I'm not a 100% sure on what it will be at this exact moment in time, But I'll take a look at it, and I will make sure that it's uploaded by Sunday. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Because, what I could do as well is host. Play that new song on the show if you wanted and give you, like, a higher like, a higher split. I'll give you, like, 70, like, 70% split. Awesome. Sixty is awesome, by the way. If I had people offering me 60 from the get go on negotiations in the real music industry, bro, it'd be a, like, host. A beautiful thing, dude. Sixties great. Don't work. Perfect. Perfect. So much. Like, literally, thank you so much, dude. No, man. It it And I mean that from the bottom of my heart. Host. That no. It's it's just the system, dude. I just want I wanna be a part of a fair system, you know. And,

looking, like, looking at this, like, host. I'm able to do that. I'm able to get I I I I think it's connected to me being, like, a big tipper. Like, I'm not trying to, like, pat myself on the back, but, like, I like, like, I like being able to just, like, host. Like, I tip my barber close to 50%, you know, just because I like the guy. That's so good. So, like, I wanna do that for, like, other people that I like, host. Other friends, other artists, other people that are doing good work. So yeah, man. It's totally doable. And I can totally play that song. I can host. Yeah. Just make sure that's uploaded so then I can, like, link it up. I just got it's all that's all I need.

That's awesome. Yeah. Well, yep. That. I'll let you know when I do. Yeah. Then we can totally do another podcast.

I really don't have a schedule for, like, the conversations. I just been I know that this year,

I wanted to do more musicians. I wanted to speak

with more musicians because, I did an interview with Ainsley,

back in August. I did another interview with another musician. Host. The, the musician I used for my short film, I interviewed him back in September.

Awesome. And I'd I'd like, those 2 interviews, like, I was, like, I I felt really good. Host. And, I got, like, the best reactions from those. So this year, I've just been trying to lean into more. So if I got another, like yeah. Let's do more content.

Let's do it, dude. I would love to. Yeah. I think,

you know, podcasting is one of those things where I have tried, like, years ago in the past to do it myself or not even really do it myself. Do it with a group of other host. Self or not even really do it myself. Do it with a group of other individuals

and it just would completely

fall apart for a variety of reasons.

You know, not everybody's built to do podcast. We literally you know what I mean? But it was a good trial and error for, like, being able to just host. Talking to a microphone and Yeah. More comfortable kind of, like, having a conversation or candid conversation.

But I

host. Have, you know, my, you know, my list to do a lot more podcasting in 2024. So, you know,

I'm sure you have other people that you're You're looking to interview in the short term, but in the long term, I would love to get back on here. Whatever you wanna have me, dude, would be awesome. Absolutely, dude. Host. Yeah, man. I I will do that. I actually have a question.

What's been your experience with podcasting? Have you produced a podcast before? Do you know how to do that? Host.

So not

I mean, yes, in certain regards. Like, I have gone and Set up the camera.

Right. Had everybody sitting in, you know, a living room space

with 4 different microphones

and, You know, recorded an hour and a half, and then put them out, like, a few weeks in a row. Right? Or maybe a few months in a row. Right?

And we do it once a week.

Host. You know, I would say

a lot of it was just, like, you know, I I I do a lot of video editing And I have done a lot of video editing for a long time, so that part was fairly easy to me.

The production side

host. Was very much so lacking, which is part of the reason that I didn't wanna continue to pursue it. Mainly just in, like, you know,

host. With like it like even the setup that I'm in right now or whatever, this is kinda like my office.

This is

you know,

host. I think

I think you need something like this. You don't need something like this, but I think it in order to have, like, a group of individuals show up in person

host. And have the lighting right on everybody and do it, like, the very traditional style of podcasting.

I just saw it was a very difficult thing host. For me to do at scale. I Yeah. You know what I mean? And The reason I ask is, yeah. The the reason I ask that is because, like, I feel like artists, like, musicians should, like, Like, they have an opportunity to to do their own podcast as well, and you can just focus on the audio. You know, music is only audio.

So so I mean so in my opinion, like, if you wanted to do it, host. Have more exposure. You know, have more, like, musicians or other guests on your show. Yeah. You know, just focus on the audio, and then you can also like, That that's how you can promote your own music. You can say, hey. So true. I'm a musician. I play my own music. I play other musicians' music. Like, you can be your own platform

host. For the music, and so, like, that's the opportunity with the podcast. That's why I brought that up, and I can help you with that if you wanna help.

Yeah. Absolutely. I think,

I that's definitely on the radar, and I definitely

look, man. Like, candidly,

I would say just uploading to Spotify once a week, which is how I've always thought about Podcasting or or even YouTube, you know, once, once a week has been

just not that appealing. Like, it hasn't been that straight up. It just hasn't been that sexy to me. Host. But being able to do it on this platform, the modern podcasting platform, dude, that's very exciting to me. Also, because I think there's just people who want this community to thrive, who want this community to win, and therefore,

host. Being an early adopters makes a makes a lot of sense. So I could see myself doing a modern podcast,

you know, and,

we'll definitely need your help to be able to do something like that. Yes. But,

but but, yeah, I think, I think that's a great idea, man. You might have just, you know,

host. Recreated the daddy nap podcast. Also, I wanna say one thing. Yeah. Please. All of you out there who may be wondering,

why does he call himself dad? Host. Why is daddy integrated into his name at all? I'm gonna give you a quick story.

So my name is Nathaniel Stewart. Host. I'm doxxed now, I guess. But, Nathaniel was my first name. Right? I was named after my great great grandfather

who, went by Nat, host. Kurt Wright. It was actually on my,

my dad's mom's side. So, you know, different last names. Right? But host. Daddy, we all called him daddy Matt. I called my grandfather daddy Bob. My my dad, whenever I have kids, will be called daddy David. Just kinda like the the, you know,

the way that, it's a very southern thing, I suppose. But daddy Nat is who I was named after, and then there was a daddy Nat The second who came after him who,

like, was alive during the depression and made sure that my family did okay during the depression and, You know, kinda took care of the family in a lot of ways. And so,

meant a lot to my family, obviously, my dad.

And then, of course, I got passed down,

you know, host. Being named after him. And so daddy Nat is in my lineage.

I'm not like a daddy Yankee thing. It's not just I do think it is, like, host. Very jarring. So when people see it, they either have a positive or negative reaction,

and I think that's

host. Better than just a stale reaction, personally. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'd rather be polarizing than not. But, but, yeah, just so everybody knows, you know, I'm gonna say it here first. You know, it's It's not just because I like it's not like a daddy Yankee thing. It's it's literally in my lineage. It's who I was named after.

And names are really hard. Host. Like, I couldn't even give you the number of names that I've had for bands and aliases

and, you know,

host. Like, rapper names that I've had in the past. Right? Mhmm. But

I landed on daddy Nat because it was true to me and, you know, true to my history, true to my lineage. Host. And,

I'm carrying the torch, you know, for the daddy nats. So

I think it works, dude. I like the name. Like, the names are so weird too. Like, host. I feel like it like, it's, like, one of those random things, but it's a really important thing. But it's also Right. You can be aimless, but you can host. Meet at Target as well, like and so yeah, man. I when I saw your name, I was, like, I I just saw it as, like, okay. Hopefully, this guy's good. Host. Like, if if you have to

I love that. Love that. Yeah. It's a bold name. If you don't if you don't believe in what you're putting out, it's a bold host, man. Exactly.

That's funny, dude.

Well, the dude That was funny. Nathaniel, daddy Nat, host. This has been really cool, dude. Like, thank you so much for being able or just being available and being willing to to come on to the show. Like, this is host. I I I love doing these conversations. I really been enjoying just trying

to spread the message of what this new system is, talk to artists who are host. Just barely diving in, man. Like, it's cool that you're innovating. Like, it's really cool that you're innovating. And you're just one of the few, you know. I wanna be, host. I'm reading this book right now, and they're describing

the audacious few. And I feel like you're one of the audacious few, dude. I'm I'm trying to be one of those as well. So We're going for it. Dude, you are. You were you certainly are, man. I appreciate you so much, and, and I and I dude, like, even just, like, the, host. You know, good faith and, like, you know, audacity that you had to reach out to me is

it shows that you're on the right path, brother. So, like, I think,

I think both of us have a very bright future,

hopefully, all on the lightning network. And so, you know, like, dude, like, I I think,

host. You know, it's a very exciting time, man. Like, it I've been

waiting for this it feels like I've been waiting for this moment For all my life. No. I like that. I've been it feels like I've been, like, it feels like I've been waiting for this opportunity to come in and,

host. And it just feels so perfect, dude. I don't know how to describe it any other way. It just the like, normally, I wouldn't just say yes to a podcast, but I did with you. So Right. Like, You know what I mean? Like, it just Yeah. There's no more weight. I wouldn't post all this yeah. I would normally, I wouldn't be posting all this stuff on Twitter, but I did. Host. And so, like, here we are. And so to me, this is just a sign to double down and,

you know,

host. Drop some more music, and I'll, you know, on the Lightning Network, and then furthermore, potentially start a little podcast. So you got me excited, dude. I'm I I feel fired up. Host. Hey, man, dude. Hell, yeah. I'm happy I did that. I didn't expect to do that today. That's cool.

Well, well, cool, dude. Well, let's,

let's, I guess, host, Chad. We'll chat over x or whatever over the next couple days and just kinda I'll make sure when the song's uploaded, you let me know when this is uploaded. I'll blast it out on my platforms. Host. And then, definitely gonna be leaning into you to learn a few more things about how I can get more integrated in this ecosystem. So host. I appreciate you, brother. Thank you so much for having me on. Hey, man. No. Thank you, man. Thank you.

Well well well. What'd you think of that everybody? That's daddy Nat one more time. We have a round of applause for him. Host. I think he's a swell guy. I think he's cool. I think he's chill.

I think he's one of those guys that actually is going for it. And, you You know, I just want to see the people around me thrive. I want young people to be thriving. I don't want anyone to have a negative mindset

on anything, you know. Like, I want it to be host. Positive, you know. And Daddy Nat seems to be one of those positive guys, you know. So hopefully, he keeps on going. I want him to keep on going, man. Host. I mentioned this boostagram I wanted to share. So again, value for value,

the boost, everybody. This is how the show this is the only way this show survives is your support.

Host. This last boostagram coming in from at the mere mortals podcast, my buddy, Kyren Down.

He comes in with a host, Qwapping. This is the largest boost of the week, everyone, and you could be a part of this too. You could send in the the biggest boost if you want. He sends in 8,000

host. And 8 sats, everybody.

What? That's crazy, dude. Hang on. Where's the record? Waltz. No. Waltz. Nope.

Host. I thought there we go. He sent an 8,008

sats?

Thank you, Kyren. That's you're the man, dude. Host. What do you have? That's, that's a boob donation, if you didn't know.

8008

is a boob Donation, if you just remember that. Okay? For America Plus, that's some real shit.

Kieran has to say, and that that he was commenting on number 104. Host. He says,

2024 is going to be a dope year. Value for value in Bitcoin is on the rise. And if you're if you're here on fountain host. Or another podcasting 2.0 app right now. In a couple of years' time, you'll get to look back smugly and say, I was there. Host. We are the new generation of hipsters.

Hashtag

in before it was cool. Yes, sir. Boosting is loving.

And now As the French say, it is time for the boost.

Thank you so much, Kyron, for sending in,

that boostagram. Thank you to Joel, And thank you to everyone else who's choosing to to donate right now. Again, I got the PayPal up. I have the boostagrams up on modern podcasting apps. Host.

Your Boostagram

supports

daddy Nat and me, and the people who are involved with the Makaym of the show. Anytime you hear an artist, man, like, this is the real thing. This is the real collaboration that we're looking for, man. No one else is on this innovation Except for you right now. You're you're in this, so be a part of it. Damn it. Be a part of it because it it's loving. Boosting is loving. That's host, the foundation, dude.

And with that, we're gonna go into,

this new song, this new song from Daddy Nat.

He sent this to me. He posted it. Host. He was supposed to post it to, today, Sunday, but he accidentally posted it a couple days ago, which is totally fine. But it's Gabe Ewing, on America Plus for the first time ever. This is Daddy Nat's new song.

Happy birthday, everybody.

Enjoy. I might be lost,

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4 nights telling

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Hey, darling.

I can't talk to you, but I feel like my luck might

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And I host. Oh, you too much too much, babe. If I'm all good,

why do I call?

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Ryan.

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I might not

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Host. That's America Plus, bitch. Stay free.

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