The ElevateUT Disc Golf Podcast

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In this episode of the Elevate Utah podcast, host Nick Jennings is joined by Dustin, Sean, and Scott to discuss the development of disc golf courses in Utah, focusing on the Tetons course in West Jordan. The conversation begins with a nostalgic look at the Tetons course, a project that holds personal significance for Scott, who grew up nearby. The hosts share amusing anecdotes about the course's design and the community's involvement, highlighting the contributions of Robert Bumgarner and the support from local officials like Mayor Dirk Burton.

The discussion expands to the broader impact of disc golf in Utah, emphasizing the importance of well-designed courses that cater to various skill levels. The hosts delve into the challenges and successes of pitching disc golf projects to local governments, sharing insights into the process of securing funding and community support. They also explore the economic and social benefits of disc golf, noting how courses like Tetons can enhance local communities.

As the conversation progresses, the hosts discuss future projects and the potential for new courses in Utah, including a significant upcoming project in West Jordan. They express excitement about the possibilities for disc golf in the state, envisioning courses in diverse landscapes from deserts to mountains. The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to engage with the disc golf community and support the growth of the sport in Utah.

Proposal Booklet for Teton's Disc Golf Course

[00:00:27] Nick Jennings:

Welcome into the Elevate Utah podcast.   I am your host, Nick Jennings, joined by Dustin,   Sean, and Scott. Awesome. We are here to talk about   what I believe the first project that Elevate Utah kinda like, the first disc golf course that Elevate Utah kinda took in as a project. Right? Yeah. So it's well, I mean, the Wonder was the technically the first. Right?  

[00:00:52] Scott Belchak:

But the Tetons was one that that was   I don't know. It kinda started off as as a conversation between myself and a and a wonderful gentleman named Robert Bumgarner   who,   Shout out to Bob. Bob's the best. Bob's awesome. I feel like I recently bought a couple of used Discmania discs from the shop that had his name Oh. Written on the bottom of them. Bob's awesome. I I I I think he's my disc golf dad. Like, if if if I were to ask for a disc golf dad, I'd be like, Bob, will you please be my my dad?   And no. So, yeah, the West Jordan Course has has been the Tetons.   If you're not familiar with it, it's a nine hole course that's a lot of people think is in South Jordan because,   Hole 9, which was supposed to be Hole 1, but people kept throwing their discs into that lady's yard. Mhmm. And so Bob figured that that if we moved it to Hole 9, everybody would be warmed up and people would stop did stop yeeting their discs over there.  

And I think it worked. Plus, we put that that giant mando. We call it the swole pole.   I've never heard of that before. That's awesome.   Yeah.   And and so yeah. That that project was actually very special to me because and is very special to me even though I haven't played it since a little while ago, but,   I actually grew up in that neighborhood. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Yeah.   Back in the eighties   when South Jordan was just dirt,  

[00:02:12] Nick Jennings:

we moved out there. And there was not a lot out  

[00:02:14] Sean Kelley:

there. Yeah. There was a lot of driving around with Scott when we were looking at that course and him just pointing things out from his childhood.   Like, down that road was my friend who lived down here. Yeah. I kissed my first my first girl over there. He's like, alright, man. Alright. Cool. Cool story nerd. Yikes.  

[00:02:31] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. I I lived I grew up probably,   eighth of a mile from that place. Oh, wow. I watched that park get installed,   in the nineties. Yeah. So it's it's,   for me, it was kind of it was kind of fun because I because, you know, I would come visit in my folks from Minnesota, and I'd drive by in that park, and I'd be like, oh, man. That would be, like, a perfect little spot for  

[00:02:53] Sean Kelley:

for a disc golf course. And so to be able to design,  

[00:02:55] Scott Belchak:

although I didn't design Bob Bob designed that course. But to be involved with a project like that that's so close to my home,   was just really, really satisfying.   And,   and I will say this. If you are a West Jordan resident,   you need to do whatever you can to keep mayor Dirk Burton in office because that guy is a total badass.   He is awesome.   And I wish he was my Sandy Mayer.   I'm sick of the red hat.   Tired of this red hat lady.   I want I want a guy like Dirk.  

[00:03:30] Sean Kelley:

He was good. He was behind the whole  

[00:03:33] Scott Belchak:

project. Yeah. He was great.  

[00:03:35] Nick Jennings:

Yeah.   So T Towns is quite a fun course. It's actually the first course I ever played when I first got my first starter set. So why did you choose to go there?   Because it was short. It was a it was a nine hole.   It was something   I actually didn't choose it. My brother-in-law, who got me into disc golf,   he was like, hey. There's this course that's kinda centrally located. They live in Taylorsville.   I live in Riverton.   American Fork.   So we all kinda   met there for our first round of real disc golf. Real, quote, unquote, disc golf. What was in your first bag?   I got the   the five disc.  

I I splurged. K? Mhmm. I got the five disc   base plastic. I think they call it classic blend   dynamic discs Okay. Set.   And on my on my second throw k. Again, I I had never really played with real discs. Like, one of the the few rounds that I had played as a kid or as a, like, a young adult,   I played with an ultimate Frisbee Frisbee at Creekside as a youth. Because because your background is is is ultimate. Correct. Yep. Yeah. I played competitive ultimate. I coached for a lot of years as well.   And Played against Brodie Smith? I did play against Brodie Smith. Highlight of your life.   Oh, don't even get me started. I don't wanna get  

[00:04:54] Sean Kelley:

yeah. We're not we're not gonna go into that.  

[00:04:58] Nick Jennings:

But, and then when I was doing commercial real estate and I closed my first deal,   the the brokers I worked for thought that Ultimate Frisbee was disc golf. Yeah. And so they got me, like, a dynamic discs, like, cooler bag, like, shoulder   Mhmm. Sling bag and The soldier bag. Yeah. And two two discs.   Any anybody can guess what those two discs were? The truth. Was they are they are not a mainstream   disc, and I think that they're both out of production at this Oh. The Kurobee?   Arrow? That was one of them. Nice. That was one of my first ones too. Yeah. Very nice. I still have it, actually. Oh, no. I threw mine in. Is that the one with the with the weird rim? Yep. So that the That was the second disc. That's the epic. Okay. So you got an epic. I got an epic. So the arrow is like a putter. It's a yeah. Straight putting approach is what it's called. Alright. And do you still throw the epic?  

[00:05:45] Scott Belchak:

I have a couple of times. I haven't in probably a year. I play with a guy who who play who who who throws who throws that. I've actually thought about putting it back in my bag to start learning how to do, like, tomahawks and thumbers, because it's supposed to be really good for that. In fact, you get the barrel roll. Hole 12 hole 12 at at Dragonfly. Right? Oh, yes. That tunnel shot? Yep. I saw someone hit the cage on a barrel   epic shot. No way. Yeah. Yep. And it just he threw it in a way that popped up and then it turned itself into a hyzer. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And then just glided down at it  

[00:06:22] Sean Kelley:

and just pulled up. That was my first ace was a Tomahawk from, like, 200 feet. Oh, that's pretty steep. And so the beast, it it, like, just did one of those swoopy things and smashed in. That's really cool. So anyway, I had this Dynamic Discs starter set. And we went to Tetons. And  

[00:06:37] Nick Jennings:

I had a green Escape,   k, which is like a a nine speed. Yeah. And you don't need that down there. No. I didn't know that though. Right. Like I said, it was my first real round with real disc mix. You're a beginner, so you're not doing it 400 feet. Well, with my ultimate background, I could I could throw pretty far. And I didn't know that at the time because I do You couldn't yeet. I couldn't throw the epic   worth a damn.   And I step up to the tee pad hole too.   And I   yeet this thing   into the trees, like, above the fairway  

[00:07:10] Sean Kelley:

of Hole 7. Past the creek and everything. Past the creek. Yeah. Like, up the hill,  

[00:07:15] Scott Belchak:

never to be found again. Yeah. Yeah. Gone. In six acre park. Just  

[00:07:20] Nick Jennings:

Well, it was green too. And it was, like, it was the June. Uh-huh. So everything was lush and everything was green. And it's, like, we we spent, like, an hour looking for that thing.   I ended up getting a leopard three, a purple one,   that my brother found in one of the bushes on Hole 9, like, back behind the basket. But that's fine. Yeah. So anyways, that that was my first course that I ever played, like, for real for real. It was really fun. It's a pretty park. Have have you played it, Dustin? So I aced Hole 9. Oh. I played there a number of times. Oh, okay. So you know Cody. Yeah. I come and visit him  

[00:07:52] Sean Kelley:

a bunch. And so sometimes we'll go and just, you know, play a quick nine there. So Cody lives here in town? I thought he was North. No. He's not North. Oh. West.   Old Hole 9 or New Hole 9? The pole. New Hole 9. The Pole Hole. Swole Hole. Okay. Okay. Swole Pole.  

[00:08:08] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. So the it it it always turns out this way. But the the woman's whose whose house is right next to that Mhmm. City council. Oh, of course. So people people are throwing their diss into city council's yard. Yeah. And How?   From the tee pad that like, the current tee pad? It it's a beginner course. How did you how did you throw your green escape all the way across the freaking gulch and almost go into the road? Yeah. Well, yeah. But isn't there isn't her house, like, straight to parallel? It's adjacent. Yeah. Yeah. So four hands were going in there, like, oh, no. And, like, lefties  

[00:08:39] Sean Kelley:

and, you know. So I just got in the Kansu   from Infinite.   And we after I after I it's a real flippy mid range, like a minus four. I'm not sure.   And   but it's only It's not even 200 feet. Right? Yeah. It's like one ninety. Yeah. And so I just kinda It was like It was like a catcher's mitt. It was a Yeah. Almost a jump putt. And so afterwards we called it the Kansu Mate.  

[00:09:02] Scott Belchak:

Oh, very nice. I see. It's a it's a triple entendre. It's a group. That's right. Wow. That's right. Wow. A triple entendre. You consumated  

[00:09:10] Nick Jennings:

on the swole pole hole. Wow. I know.  

[00:09:14] Scott Belchak:

Is is that a quadruple entendre?  

[00:09:18] Sean Kelley:

Well, I and I was with Cody, and he and I are, you know, pole brothers. Right.   Oh, man. So tell us more about Tetons. Okay. Yeah. So Tetons,  

[00:09:28] Scott Belchak:

Tetons was born from from the idea of Bob   because he would go walk his dogs through there. And every time he would walk his dogs through there, like, twice a day, would be like, man,   why why do I have to drive all the way to Taylorsville?  

[00:09:42] Sean Kelley:

Didn't he throw, like, a fictitious course? Like, he had, like, just kinda areas he was just, like, throwing disc to?   Yeah. He he was He was just like like, oh, there's like a Uh-huh. Oh, he would, like, put like a pole or something. Object course type of thing? Yeah. Like but he just had it like like like Scott was saying. He was just walking his dogs, but he would just kinda, like, you know,  

[00:10:02] Scott Belchak:

aim at something and just kinda throw a disc out there. I could be wrong. I could be maybe. Well, he he he had he he had a design in his head that had been there for years as he was walking the the park, and and,   he he's he's good friends with the mayor because I think that everybody who sees the mayor is good friends with the mayor because,   Dirk is is the kind of guy. He he rides his bike to work every day. He never takes his car. He rides his bike to the grocery store,   and he's out in his community all the time. Yeah. And and That's how it should be. And and he's an engaged civic leader.   And and so he's always out there. So if if you see him and if you talk to him, he's your friend, and he'll give you his cell phone. And you can text him, and he'll text you back. And because he's he's your mayor. It's how it worked. That's cool. Scott gave me the address of where the, course was gonna be put in.  



[00:10:54] Sean Kelley:

And he was like, yeah. Meet me over here, blah blah blah. Sent me the sent me a pin.   And then I had showed up, and he he had mentioned Bob, and I had never met Bob. But I had pulled in with my big, giant white van, and I had the disc golf stickers on it, this and that. Yeah. The one that makes Sophie nervous when you come over in. Yeah. I It's gone now. Alright. I called it the rape van.   I love that van. But it was, I could see why. Yeah. It's not not quite as nice as the ambulance, but it's quite as good. But,   and so I pulled into, like, the the little parking lot right there, and I was just kinda getting out. And,   Bob, I I guarantee you, you just saw the van, saw the disc golf, and he'd be like, hey. What's up? I'm Bob.  

And before Scott even got there, I'm just, like, walking   this course, and he's just showing me these pins because he had walked around and spray painted holes   and spray painted certain things and just put, like, metal poles into the ground. And he was just kinda describing his vision. And but at the same point, from the moment I met him, he was just like I'm like, this guy's my friend. Yeah. Bob's  

[00:11:54] Scott Belchak:

great. Yeah. So so we got we got, an audience with,   then then,   public works director Isaac Astell and,   Dirk, mayor Dirk, to, pitch this idea to them.   And so I went to work with with my with my little package,   and we can put some pictures of that up,   on the podcast two point o app because, by the way, this is a podcast two point o app.   So if if you have a podcast two point o client, which you can get at pod podcast   podcasting 2 0 r g. It's just podcasttwo.   Podcast 2 0 r g. We'll be able to put images up, and you can see them. But we'll have an image up of of kind of   of   what the package that I put together to go and sell this idea to Wes Jordan.  

I try to very visually describe,   stories   to to these people because we only get,   we only only get about a half an hour with these people at a time. And so it's very important that that you go to these meetings with a well packaged plan and,   have it be concise   and have it be very eye catching and have it be something that that they look at and they say, wow. I want that. So   I try to do everything that I can to to make our visual representations pop. And then another thing that's very important is that you cannot roll into these meetings with digital media.   It's you cannot do it. If you roll in with something that that looks like it cost you $40 to print   and you put it on their desk, they cannot throw it away. Yep. It's human nature. They'll take it. And even if it's a no right now, they won't throw it away. They'll put it on their shelf, and they'll look at it. Somehow they they still operate with fax machines?  



[00:13:38] Sean Kelley:

It's alright. You you you hand these people a piece of laminated paper or a lemonade I know. I under I understand what you're saying. They take they don't get rid of that. They can't get rid of that thing. They can't get rid of it. No. I know. It's it's We started laminating all these pictures and, like, layouts of courses and stuff. You walk in with a laminated, they they can't get rid of it. They can't crumple it. They can't do anything. So it sticks around. It's on their desk forever. And laminated is one thing, but if you go to a professional print shop and get and get a 16 page book printed on eight pages saddle stitched Mhmm. And have it in full high gloss,  

[00:14:07] Scott Belchak:

they're they can't throw it away. Yeah. And and and they'll they'll look at it. In fact, I remember,   Mayor Dirk, when he opened the thing, he said, wow. This is just for us?   Because it had West Jordan, and it had, like,   all the stuff. Like, yes. It's just for you because this is what we're doing. That's cool. This is why we're here. We're here to talk to you about this, not about disc golf. We're here to talk to you about nine holes in this park for this amount of money,   and this is why this is the reason. These are the people who need it. Your community needs  

[00:14:41] Nick Jennings:

it. And mayor Dirk said, yeah. This is awesome. Let's do it. That's what we did. Yeah. So, Scott, what all goes into that packet? Like, when you when you sat down with mayor Dirk and Bob, like, what what did you bring in that   $40,  

[00:14:54] Scott Belchak:

you know, saddle stitched packet that you brought to me? So it's a it's it it opens with some very, good visualizing   you know, visualization of of disc golf in the mountains.   Right? Like, disc golf basket, moose,   you know,   mountains.   And then, on the inside page, it's it's what is disc golf with a bunch of pictures from professionals playing to kids playing,   all taken in our mountain scapes and in our in our local scapes to show to showcase what disc golf looks like in Utah, specifically.   And then the page after that is,   I believe it's it's,   numbers and statistics based off of,   how many people play this, based off of UDisc numbers that we've seen.  

Every year, UDisc puts out a growth report that, I take and I and I put into these booklets. It's a good reminder to myself that I haven't updated that document for this   year. But it's interesting, though, because the UDisc numbers are slightly down because we're going through, like, a little bit of a weird taper. Mhmm.  

[00:15:57] Nick Jennings:

But no one has to know about that. We'll just keep talking. Maybe I'll just keep using the old tapers.  

[00:16:01] Scott Belchak:

You know? I I don't know. And then and then then we go into,   what disc golf   means to cost,   like, for your cost ratio. Mhmm. Like, how much you're gonna spend versus how much recreation hours you're gonna get out of it. Because that's that's what a lot of these parks departments look at is is what's our what's our our ratio of cost   to   hours spent in the park? Like usage. Mhmm. Mhmm. Right. And disc golf is, like, astronomically   higher than any other thing Oh, yeah. As far as as as that goes.   So the cost to install. And then,  

[00:16:40] Sean Kelley:

the Well, the the statistics at that point too, like, we were just coming out of the pandemic,   and worlds had happened in Utah. Mhmm. And the holy shot had happened in Utah.   And I think just the the bum rush to go play disc golf outside because it was one of the few little sports you could get played. Like   Mhmm. I mean, going back to your the talking about statistics, like,   the amount of people who were playing at that point and then the amount of courses around. And then you could show, like, the traffic of, like, how many people how many people are playing certain rounds at different courses here, and then just the need for more courses.  

[00:17:15] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. And then and then we finish with,   a case study.   And the case study that I'm using is is a course called,   it's the stadium course, in Carson Carson City, Nevada.   That's that's the the poster child for what I'm for what I'm calling the future of of of how desert disc golf needs to look.   And,   it's designed by, landscape architects that specialize in disc golf course design, and they've they've they bring in a lot of hardscapes and,   local natural   local materials from the region   to   accent the course and to set up the out of balance lines and to create,   pathways   and tee areas and hangout zones. Yeah.  

And they do a very good job of of setting it up because   we we don't we don't wanna sell   this golf short. I think I think, actually, that's that's one of the reasons why we've never been taken seriously because we go into these city council meetings   and and we just say, oh, well, we just   need $18,000   for baskets, and we'll do the rest. You know? Yeah. Well, we could build build the tee pads or something. Yeah. And, you know, it's that's that's one of the things that that happened to Dragonfly, quite honestly. And I I was I was there from the very beginning   with that process. I was at the very first city council meeting when when the idea was presented. And and,   the same story happens all across The United States because   disc golf is such a a a grassroots   movement and a a kind of a groundswell   kind of thing.  

And the people who play are very pick yourself up by the bootstraps and have it in their mind   that   all we need is baskets   and all we need is tee pads. Tees and sleeves is what we call it. Right. But that's not all we need. We need we need a park we need parking lots. We need bathrooms. We need a kiosk. We need,   a a practice   warm up area. We need,   our our whole one to be,   Signage. Yes. We need good signage. We need multiple tee pads for for skill levels. And when you're thinking about tee pads, you can't just think tee pad. You have to think,   like like, Hole 1 at Creekside, new Hole 1 at Creekside. Mhmm.  

That's that's how every single one of our of our tee pads should be.   And it's funny because they they started to get   it, but then they did it too small, like Hole 8. Mhmm. Hole 8 at Creekside. Right. Hole 8 is like, you get up there, and it's like, okay. The idea is here where you've got the bench and you've got the tee pad, but why do we have all this soggy grass? Right where we wanna right where everybody wants to walk. Right. So it's almost there.   The intention is there. The thought is there.   But the implementation lacks. And and that's because they don't have   people with disc golf experience   designing these things. They have they've hired landscape architecture firms to go in there and determine,   how to build these things, but they but they need to include   disc golf into that. And   I don't understand why they why they don't do that. They they don't realize it's a high traffic   area. Everyone is walking through this area. I think they're starting to. Yeah. Well, they're gonna get it soon. Yeah. But it's interesting to think about the Tetons through the lens of of instead of us just spending because what basically the way that that that got spent is is we essentially told them just buy baskets and then and then put put these tee pads in, and that's what they did. They hid all of that budget in in in the street team's budget because they had their,   street   team   who's in charge of paving all the streets. They had them just come on their day off essentially,   like, to come just put the the put the tee pads in. So that was all hidden in some other budget.  

And same thing with the with with those sleeves that are in there. And then so they basically built that whole thing with with   the cost of some signs   and some baskets.   And   we we gave the signs for free and the design for free,   in exchange for having our logo on it. So they put that they put that park in for   less than $20.  

[00:21:24] Sean Kelley:

Yeah. Wow.  

[00:21:26] Nick Jennings:

That was actually gonna be my next question. It's like about how   much is just the, like, nine baskets and nine tee pads. Because that's all that's there at t at Tetons. There's no alternate tee pads or anything like that. Right? It's just The the most expensive thing we found out out of the whole process was the benches.  

[00:21:43] Scott Belchak:

Really?  

[00:21:43] Sean Kelley:

Yeah. Because   you just need you you just need to have,   most park departments,   in general, don't wanna be like, they want something that's gonna last.   You know? So, like, you can't we couldn't just go out and,   you know, build some some wooden benches or something like that.   But they had a standard of, like, benches that they put in their parks.   So,   I mean, benches were what? Like, $3,500?   Yeah. Seriously? It was there's what? Four of them out there? You're kidding. Yeah. But they were like yeah. And then and they need, like, at least, like, a,   you know, a two foot by six foot, poured concrete   pad. Like, they can't just be anchored in. Like,   it was a good learning lesson on, like, how moving forward because, like, I would have never I would have never ever estimated that benches were that expensive. Mhmm.  

But it goes back to our whole thing of, like, standards. You know?   And   but it was. It was   just the the simp because most of the work done there was through volunteering. Yeah. Yeah. We got a lot of people coming out. Clearing the fairways,   destroying the the the little   the buy the bike track, which I think was kind of our only real pushback.  

[00:22:58] Scott Belchak:

Bike track? What was that before? Yeah. There's There was a Those poor those poor kids. In fact in fact in fact,   Zach Troff, who's who's a local disc golfer in American Fork, grew up in in a house across the street from there. Just like I remember the right next to from that. Yeah. Right next to Hole 8 and Hole 7, He grew up in that house, like, where he hid the park.   And he built a BMX   pump track back in the back in the late nineties, early '2 thousands. So that's why there's, like, a nice little trail there. Yeah. He built he built a BMX pump track on on Hole Seven's Fairway. Mhmm. There used to be this little small little little turnaround spot Yeah. That the local kids Had a couple couple jumps, couple, like, you know, banked turns. Yeah. But I remember I remember  

[00:23:40] Sean Kelley:

the day like, it was I think it was they came in with the skid steer and, like, flattened it off. Just gone. It was just gone. Just gone. And I remember us being out there. And it was it was like it was like early March too. Yeah. Like, it was it was on the first nice day where they could get a skid steer in there, and it it would it was also coincidentally the first nice day that a local kid might wanna come out and check out his punctures. Two kids that show two kids that showed up on bikes. So they, like, rode down into it and they were like smiles on their faces. What the hell? Yeah. Spring is here. Where the hell's our bike track? And we're just like, smash. Shrill over. We're like, we're gonna play disc golf. Get out of here,  

[00:24:16] Nick Jennings:

kids. Gone.   So what year was this? That this was 2022.  

[00:24:20] Scott Belchak:

Twenty '20 '2. I knew. So I just had a good idea.   So so we're gonna be posting these on social media and Instagram, and,   the the podcast is up. Let's play a a a game of of,   Price is Right. This won't even work. This won't even work because because people are gonna listen to this and they'll have the answer before they post. But who who knows? Right? Yeah. Yeah. But with us three, let's play a game of Price is Price is Right rules. Alright. K? For stats for for this place. K? So we're gonna do two of them. No. Let's do three of them. Price is wrong. So Price is Right means you guess without going over. Yeah. Right? If you go over. And we'll start with you Okay. Nicholas, and we'll go around the table this way.   And we're gonna do three categories.  

Play count,   unique players,   and steps taken.   Oh. K. So we're so we're gonna start with play count. This is lifetime, all time since 2022. K. When in 2022 did it, like, go live? It must have been   June.   It was late no. It was early spring.   Yeah. It was spring. It was May. It was May. Yeah. Like, maybe late May. Yeah. It was May.  

[00:25:24] Nick Jennings:

K. So coming up on   so, like, two and a half years at this point that it's been installed. I feel like I got a ton of traffic right off the bat.  

[00:25:33] Sean Kelley:

Yeah. Yeah. It was a fun, like because you could you could you could whip through there,   like, play two rounds, and you got your 18 holes.   It was April.  

[00:25:43] Scott Belchak:

April? April. April. April. So it was three years ago. It was April of twenty twenty three.  

[00:25:47] Nick Jennings:

Oh, 2023?   April of '20 '20 '3. Okay. So almost two years. I'm losing track of space and time, you guys. Yeah.   I feel like Flippy could probably help you with that. What's going on? Should be like four. You idiot.   Okay. So total rounds played? What's the first category? Count. Total rounds played. Yep. And we're just gonna do   that one. I'm gonna say in the almost two years,   four thousand.  

[00:26:16] Sean Kelley:

K. I was thinking 5.   5 thousand.   You're going 5.   5 thousand and 1. There you go. True price is right rule. It's where I was gonna go. It's either $1 or way over. No. 5,001  

[00:26:28] Scott Belchak:

wins because the real Yeah. Yeah. The real number is 12,383.  

[00:26:32] Sean Kelley:

Oh, hell yeah.  

[00:26:33] Scott Belchak:

That's impressive. That's huge. Yeah. So as far as unique players, the number of unique people who have visited the park according to uDisc.   To play disc golf. To to play disc to that have scored scored rounds on uDisc. Alright. Are we going Dustin first this round? Let's go let's go yeah. Let's go Dustin first. Okay.  

[00:26:50] Sean Kelley:

This is tough. I don't like going first.   First. Well, pretend you're second. Yeah.  

[00:26:57] Nick Jennings:

Pretend I said $1. Right.  

[00:27:01] Sean Kelley:

$2.   7 hundred 50. K.  

[00:27:05] Scott Belchak:

What do you got? This is unique Unique players.   Unique players? Yes. Gosh. Because it's two years. There's so many.  

[00:27:16] Sean Kelley:

I'll go 600.  

[00:27:17] Scott Belchak:

Alright. 600.   6 hundred for 12  

[00:27:22] Nick Jennings:

In two years, I'm gonna say I think it's  

[00:27:25] Scott Belchak:

probably close to a thousand. K. So what are you gonna say? A thousand? Thousand. 1 thousand 9 hundred and 40. Oh, wow. I'm way off.   And steps   taken.  

[00:27:34] Sean Kelley:

Oh, jeez.  

[00:27:35] Scott Belchak:

This one's a huge. This is a tricky one. Well,  

[00:27:38] Sean Kelley:

yeah.   Weren't the steps thing step tracking By an individual player or by everyone that has attended?  

[00:27:45] Nick Jennings:

Steps taken. It's just Like, in all 12,000 rounds?  

[00:27:48] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like, 4,000 rounds. All 12 because I feel like that feature on UDisc has only come out within the last six months. No. It's no. It's been out there for a while. Okay. They they I thought it was see your thing. No. Thought so too. No. They they did pedometer before where it was, like, bouncing around in your bag and they were just like, oh. Now the new thing is it tracks. It maps your GPS location. Right. Whereas before it was like, oh, boing, boing, boing, boing. Yeah. Yeah. I know that.   K, Sean. What's your guess?  

Steps taken. Steps taken. Steps taken.  

[00:28:21] Sean Kelley:

This is this is engaging content. Ripping. Yeah. What do you got? This is I don't know. I'll just throw it out there. Okay. I'll go,   500,000.  

[00:28:31] Scott Belchak:

Five hundred thousand, Five hundred thousand steps taken.   I think I may have taken 500,000 steps taken. I was just saying, like, I don't even know how to, like I'm still kinda wary of You got your calculator out? You can't you can't get calculate it out of prices. Right? You're on just like, oh, let me just look on the Internet. Oh,   well, good to see you. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna guess I'm on Amazon right now, and it says the TV is $600.  

[00:28:50] Nick Jennings:

I was a music major, not a math major. I need I need some help with this type of stuff. I'm gonna say   60,000,000.  

[00:28:57] Sean Kelley:

Oh, I probably way off on that. Okay. I'll go 1,000,000. Okay. 1,000,000 wins it because it's 34,000,000.  

[00:29:04] Nick Jennings:

Okay. Jesus. I guess I 60,000. I was just going based on, like, what my step is for an 18 hole. I was gonna say 2,500 steps times 12,000.  

[00:29:13] Scott Belchak:

So you're talking you're talking about higher math again. Right? Yeah. You're talking about,   busting out the calculator. They spent $20,000   on that,   divided by 1,271.   1 thousand oh, wait. What is this? Ripping content. What  

[00:29:30] Sean Kelley:

I mean, while he's doing math, going back to you said you aced what? Hole 9? Hole 9. Because on me and Scott's first round through,   I aced Hole 7. Right? That's a that's a good ace. Oh, the one up on the ridge there? No. No. No. No. No. The I could I could have the number wrong at this point. Is it the one in the back, like, field after you throw down onto the island? Oh, yeah. Six. Is it six? Yeah. Right. That's just shy of three good ace. Yeah. That is a good ace. So that yeah. That was, we we aced that one on our first round three. What what'd you throw?   I threw, Emerson Keith. That was a,   a jade.  



[00:30:07] Scott Belchak:

So math math update here. So for $20,000   investment that that they made,   they had twelve thousand eight hundred and sixty one hours tracked by   uDisc,   which takes their their return on investment to a dollar and a half per hour   Wow. For that. Maybe I did that wrong. Maybe it should have been the other way. 12,861   divided by I think it's this is people using it. It's this is people It's the other way around. Yeah. These are you get These are recorded. Yeah. Recorded. 64¢   per recorded round in UDisc. And   judging by the by the data that we have, the so there's a there was a study that was done by BYU statisticians   Wow. Done at ArtDi   and other places that have determined that that the factor that you would multiply   the rounds on u disc by to determine actual play count is by five. Wow.  

So That makes sense. So if we're saying Technically. Especially at a place like Tetons Yeah. Beginners. Where it's beginners   and We don't even know if u disc exists. I wouldn't use u disc at the Tetons. No. I'm just gonna go there and blast I wanna finish in a row. I wanna finish around in, like, twenty minutes. Yeah. I'm not I'm not scoring it at at the Tetons. So we I have a course. Yeah. We can take all these numbers and times them by five Yeah. Realistically at the Tetons and and call that good. Because, honestly, it's prob it's probably very true. Mhmm. It's probably more like six or seven. Yeah. People take tracks around that thing all day long. The people are there all the time.  

[00:31:34] Nick Jennings:

So it was a very interesting investment. If I lived within walking distance or a short little hike to that course, I've gotta play it all the time. Every time. Oh, absolutely. I play in the morning. I play it at night. Absolutely. There's a one of my buddies that I play with probably, like, once every couple weeks or so, kinda in that same group with, like, Lee and Jason, he doesn't play a lot of sanctioned rounds. But he lives, like, one street over from there, and he plays it a couple times a week. Yeah. You know? I would I would say I would say out of all the inventory that we need to shore up in Salt Lake County for disc golf courses, it's probably  

[00:32:05] Scott Belchak:

beginner level nine hole courses and pocket parks and underutilized spaces. I mean, yeah, going back to Bob, this was after we put that course in, like,  

[00:32:13] Sean Kelley:

this was a standard for him, like, take his dogs for a walk, play a nine hole round of disc golf. Like   Yeah. Imagine if you could do that where you had to go take your dog for a walk,  

[00:32:26] Dustin Hanson:

and you could just, like, easily walk across the street, walk into a park, play nine holes, and then be home. Be like, yep. Dogs have walked. Yeah. Good. I that is the dream. Yeah. That is literally the dream. I could not do it with my dogs.  

[00:32:33] Nick Jennings:

One of them is too old   and can't make it through a nine hole course,   and the other one is a crackhead,   and wouldn't make it through. I wouldn't make it through because I'd get dragged through the creek. They were like the little ravine there because she would see a squirrel or something and go  

[00:32:50] Scott Belchak:

chasing after it. Well, the good news is is is that we are getting more or or at least the idea of more. There's there's a there's a conversation happening with Draper about about putting some in the wetlands that's down by,   Tenth East and and a Hundred And A Hundred And 18 South. Between Seventh and East and Tenth East. Yeah. Seventeenth and yeah.   And then and then one amazing thing that that happened in this conversation with,   the public works director and the mayor when we were pitching this idea   is we pitched this idea of of the Tetons to them, and the mayor said, yeah. That sounds great, but we also want it here as well. Oh, wow. And and that was the Sycamores   Slash Arena, which,   tomorrow is the deadline for, the RFP for that. So  

[00:33:39] Sean Kelley:

tomorrow, we've got excited about this course. RFP.  

[00:33:42] Scott Belchak:

That's a request for   pricing, request for project, request for I'm not exactly sure what the I think it's request for proposal.   Mhmm. That's what it is. Yeah. So that's basically West Jordan saying, hey. We've got money, and we've got a project here that needs to be be implemented because city council voted on it, and we have this cash. And we we wanna do this thing, but we don't necessarily know how, and we don't necessarily know who's gonna do it, but we got cash. So we got cash. We want a disc golf course. Flocks with cash. Can can someone come help us out with that?   So they so when a municipality   has that, they they go on to   a pro their procurement website,   and they upload something called an an RFP, which is a request for proposal   that outlines what they want.  



[00:34:28] Sean Kelley:

And then it it opens up the it opens it up to the public, meaning ourselves or anybody who who fits the requirements. And out there, you got some friends who wanna build a disc golf course. You got a construction company. You gotta build a company. Or you just wanna  

[00:34:42] Scott Belchak:

form a group with friends? Yeah. You gotta pay attention. And and,   West Jordan wanted me to design the course, and then they would take that design   and put it up for,   public.   But I I said no. Let's   let's just do this the right way   and just put it up for public bid and just see what happens because, you know, like, if you believe in the capitalist system and if you believe in free markets,   then you have to believe that if you put these things up, then the best thing will happen. Right?   And   we live in this system, and so we kinda have to believe in it.  

[00:35:20] Sean Kelley:

That's good to see everyone different ideas, though. And we're we're getting some great ideas out of it. Thing about it is, like, you can you can show the piece of property to so many people, but,   you know, everyone looks at it differently. Everyone will design it differently. And it's I think it's that's the blessing of the the whole process is give everyone a chance. What kind of course can we expect? So there's a lot of cool ideas coming out of this.  

[00:35:43] Scott Belchak:

I've I'm I'm privy to a lot of a lot of the   the items that are being discussed when it comes to,   these RFPs,   all of which I'm sure that I can talk about now because by the time you guys hear about it, it'll all be past the deadline because the deadline is tomorrow morning at 10AM. Yeah. I'm not getting this edited before tomorrow morning at 10AM. What? Yeah. There's probably a few people right now out there trying to get their designs in. So there's a Is that There's a lot of firms involved.   There's one that's that's that's led by disc golfers, which would be kinda cool to see.   There's there's one there's a bunch of of there's probably a few that are done by larger landscape architecture firms, international landscape architecture firms.  

That would actually be kinda cool to see too even though it'd be corporate America installing us a disc golf course.   It kinda helps us go mainstream, which is kind of a a a cool thing where,   you know,   they've got a national brand and a and a reputation to uphold,   and they can't do a bad job. Otherwise, it's bad for them and their reputation.   So Kinda going back to the standard Yeah. Of disc golf courses. Yeah. So that's that's kind of a that's kind of a an an exciting thing. It's been frustrating to work with them because,   it's working with corporate America, which has been kind of weird because, you know, I'm used to having my emails answered at a certain time. I'm used to not people not taking time off around the holidays. Mhmm. You know? And so that's been a learning curve for me because I need to learn to   that not everyone's acting like I am, where I'm just acting like I am, where I'm just like, let's go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Right. You know? But,   no. So, you can expect a   at least a blue level course with with a red level course inside of it.  

It's sitting on 45 acres.  

[00:37:25] Sean Kelley:

It's a pretty Lot of elevation change.   It's a beautiful property. I think it'd be a lot of fun. There's one tree.  

[00:37:32] Scott Belchak:

Well, there's, like, one little group of trees. Okay. So there's a small group of trees and then one other tree. Yes.  

[00:37:39] Sean Kelley:

Yeah. One other tree.  

[00:37:41] Scott Belchak:

But beautiful views of the valley.   That's desert disc golf. It is desert disc golf. And and we have elevation and, you know, it A lot of elevation. People are gonna like it. I think I think people are really gonna like it, and it's gonna be,   another place where you can go and test your skill in the wind   because   there's gonna be a few holes that are really windy.   Yep. About 18 holes.  

[00:38:02] Sean Kelley:

It's a pretty big course   for inside the valley. Yeah. I mean, you have to understand too, like, when it comes down to putting a disc golf course, you can't just be like, this would be a cool place to put a disc. Like,   the allotted amount of land where And that's running out of it. That's open. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. It's it's the the amount of allotted land   inside the valley where you could put disc golf courses is very limited.  

[00:38:26] Scott Belchak:

So, I mean, 45 acres is is a lot of a lot of land. Yeah. So what Sean is saying is that is that you're gonna get what you get, and you're gonna be happy about it. Oh, for sure.   If we could just get one further north, that'd be great. And if and if you have any complaints, don't come to me because I'm not the the the winning RFP   guy. Yeah. If you have complaints, you can email [email protected].   You Come to me. Send me it all. I'll take it. Yeah. It's it's really exciting. It's the first time that we've seen in Utah   a significant amount of money going into a disc golf course   with a a RFP behind it and a public bid. Yeah. So the free market's gonna decide what this thing is, and it's gonna be exciting. The the fort was built with $80,   you know, and a lot of a lot of love blood, sweat, and tears. But this is being built with cash.  

And the winner of this RFP will take some of that cash for themselves because they're doing the work. Sure. You know? But,   there'll be a hundred and $20,000   of materials put into it. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And and and that and That's like six benches. We put probably  

[00:39:33] Nick Jennings:

It's like six like five and a half. Oh,  

[00:39:36] Scott Belchak:

yeah. Well, we'll be optimistic. Up. Yeah. Yeah. Like the river bottoms backs, though. Only just the benches. No backs. Like, when you when you think about the amount of materials that we put in the river bottoms, including fences and including tee baths, including benches and including tee signs and stuff. It was probably in in in irrigation and trees. Mhmm. It was probably only 50 Oh, wow. Grand.  

[00:39:56] Nick Jennings:

So you're saying there's a hundred and 20 going into this? Well, there's 400,000   total. 400,000 But of equipment, specifically.  

[00:40:03] Scott Belchak:

A lot of the bids that I've seen have have have said materials right around a hundred and a hundred and 10 to a hundred and $30   Wow. Of of stuff going into it, which is I've I've heard some proposals,   you know, talk about,   bringing in boulders and and,   soccer ball sized,   Rocks. Rocks for OB lines and Oh, that'd be cool. And,   36 tee pads and, you know, trails all throughout it. So it's like they're we're gonna be terraforming that piece of property into a beautiful disc golf course, whoever wins this bid. Yeah. Because that's that's what that's what West Jordan wants. They want walking trails, and they want disc golf. And   and,  

[00:40:42] Nick Jennings:

yeah.   Yeah. So if I'm understanding   what you were talking about earlier  

[00:40:50] Scott Belchak:

correctly, when you went to go propose  

[00:40:53] Nick Jennings:

Tetons Three years ago. To Dirk Mhmm. To mayor Dirk,   he then just said, oh, hey. We also have this other so it went from a a six acre project,   for, like, a little pitch and putt type of beginner course   to a potentially championship   style course   on 45  

[00:41:13] Scott Belchak:

acres Mhmm. With some serious money going into it. Yep. That's that's exactly right. And and in fact,   there was supposed to be additional serious money going into it too. The the the project budget was supposed to be $2,000,000.   If you go look at the the grant that they filled out, the total project value was 2,000,000.   But they they got their wires crossed when they submitted the bid for for their grant funding   and thought that they could requisition two grants at once,   when you can't do that. And so   they they went into this thing,   like, guns blazing. We're gonna put $2,000,000   into this course. We're gonna make this thing as amazing as we can possibly be. Basically, the Red Butte Gardens is what they was is is what they're going for. That'd be awesome. But they Yeah. But they they they only received half the money, and so their city manager was just like, well, you know, I can't   I know you still wanna put a $2,000,000 disc golf course in, but we only got $200,000   from the state. I'm not gonna write you a $1,800,000   check from the city budget for this. Sorry. I was ready to do 1,000,000 when you had 1,000,000 in match,   but but that's the level that we're going for. We want we want these municipalities   to look at like, they're building a 45 acre park.  

Right? Like, why would we sell that as a hundred thousand dollar project?   Why would we even sell it as a $400,000   project? You can make the argument that what we're doing right now in West Jordan only spending $400,000   is a disservice to the land and a disservice to the project. You  

[00:42:41] Nick Jennings:

could make that argument.  

[00:42:43] Sean Kelley:

Yeah. That's crazy. Don't half house it.  

[00:42:45] Scott Belchak:

I mean, 45 acres. Chance to do something great. 45 acres. That's huge. Yeah. The they'll spend 2 and a half to 3 to $4,000,000   on on a on a playground.   Like, go go try to figure out how much Draper Park just just just spent to put that giant new playground in in in Draper. It's probably 2 and a half million dollars. Draper Park? Uh-huh. I didn't know they put it in there. Giant new playground that that Lehigh   that new Lehigh Family Park, That thing's huge. Have you seen that? They're all huge. It's huge. We have one in Clearfield too. Yeah. They're giant. They're giant. And they're doing that on on They have the water feature thing. What's it called? Yeah. Like the splash pads. Yeah. They're doing that on five acres. Which are awesome,   but why can't we have the splash pad on disc golf course? We we It's called a fountain. Yeah. Yeah. We get just as much use out of a disc golf course as far as footsteps and as far as as people going. And when you look at that, 34,000,000   footsteps   and you think about what 34,000,000 footsteps   does to the land,   it's irresponsible   to not prepare the land for those footsteps. Right. You know? You have to build the trails. You have to build retaining walls for where you know if you're gonna put a basket on the side of a hill, you have to build a retaining wall because people will that hill's not gonna be a hill forever. No. So you gotta keep the dirt up. You know? You gotta do it before any of those footsteps get there. So the way that West Jordan is doing it is right, where you use you get the money, you   build the course,   you put the baskets in after the ribbon cutting,   and you're good to go. You know? Like, the way that we did it at the river bottoms   probably needed to be done because it was such such a a wild piece of land. But the way that we should have done the river bottoms is I should have sold them the idea   of we need at least a million dollars because this is first of all, we gotta deal with all these goddamn gophers.  



[00:44:35] Nick Jennings:

Those goddamn gophers.  

[00:44:37] Scott Belchak:

Second of all, we need we need we need   chipped   paths,   and we need chipped   greens, and we need chipped tee pads Mhmm. And we need chipped paths between   basket and tee pad because it's a muddy mess. Yeah. It is. So  

[00:44:54] Sean Kelley:

Well, these are all just, you know, these are all the the cues you've taken, and these are our learning lessons going through all these courses. And that's the thing that I mean, you people gotta realize.   This isn't a situation where, like, either one of us, like, went to school or anyone know this is just all out of our brain what we think it's gonna take. Oh, yeah. I'm a high school dropout.   Information from, you know, other players, other people.   Like, so it's just a it's literally a conglomerate of, you know, just  

[00:45:19] Scott Belchak:

what it is. Yeah. It's people trying hard and and making mistakes and learning along the way and and just   continuing because that's all we can do. You know? And   you'll go back and look at the wonder, and you'll see all the mistakes. And you'll go look at the river bottoms, and you'll see all the mistakes. And you go look at Tetons, and you'll see all the mistakes. You see all that. I don't.  

[00:45:39] Sean Kelley:

But people do. People will, you know. And that's All I do is listen to you complain on the courses, Dustin. No. It's all I do. No. That's because of my putting game.   I can't make a circle two putt for my life. I can't make a a circle one  

[00:45:52] Nick Jennings:

putt. But so, Scott, I'm curious if you have any information on the question I'm about to ask you, and I'm catching off guard, I'm sure.   But, like, let's take Tetons, for example. Those 12,000   plus, you know, five times, whatever that is,   rounds that have gone in there at Tetons,   I wonder what the economic impact   for the city of West Jordan has been for that for, like, local businesses, local eateries, gas stations.  

[00:46:20] Scott Belchak:

You know, it's it's really hard to say,   because there's so many factors to it. You know? You think about the people who live in that neighborhood who who go there to play. Right? Like, is that is that a moment where they're not going out to eat? It could have a negative impact. You know? I mean, the Taco Burria food truck Taco Burria. Just down the street, dude. Like, they're gone. You went to that place? Taco's last Tacos Los Angeles. Tacos Los Angeles.  

[00:46:43] Sean Kelley:

Shout out to Tacos Los Angeles. They were Best burrito. Tacos in the state. Right down the street. I'd go for some tacos. Yeah. Well, that was Yeah. They're not there anymore. I mean,   I I feel like every time I either you read that already had tacos in your hand when I met you down there? Or we were going up for tacos after the fact. Yeah. So I it's it's tough to say because that little nine hole course, I'm not traveling to go play it.  

[00:47:05] Scott Belchak:

You know? Like, maybe once or twice a year.   A destination course that has tournaments, I think there is a a a not insignificant   amount of economic impact.   You you almost have to think of these as as like a heat map. And and if you   picture Art Dye and Creekside, you know, if you just close your eyes and you picture all the disc golfers traveling from the different places to there, and you just visualize   this connected network of of people moving in places.   You know? Like like, almost like ants moving around.   You know? And then you think about bringing online a $400,000   installation in West Jordan with the marketing machine of Elevate Utah behind it and and a a brand new,   like, we got a course. Let's go. Mhmm. You know? And you and that thing pops up, and then you start seeing   people moving there instead of going to Art Guy and instead of going to Creekside. And it it it it creates new rivers. And then it it also creates   new new people coming out of their houses to do this thing. So it actually creates more people going to Art Die   because it's creating more disc golfers because a new installation has popped up that that's accessible   and fun and cool in their neighborhood. So it's it's a it it's a little mini explosion of growth in our in our heat map. Yeah. Well, and it brings exposure to the sport  

[00:48:27] Nick Jennings:

to a side of the valley that doesn't have a lot of exposure. Right?   So There's really nothing over there. Yeah. So you're getting all of those, like, people out there, like, oh, what are these, you know, chain link things with a a basket underneath it? Like, what is that all about? They see somebody throw a good shot, and now all of a sudden they look it up on YouTube, and they go buy their first starter set on on Amazon. Or hopefully, they go into the shop, the end of the round shop and, like, pick up something there. But,   I mean, it   I'm really excited about that that West Jordan course, that new one. Yeah. And by the time this episode releases,  

[00:49:01] Scott Belchak:

then there'll be a decision on who,   gets to build that thing.   And we'll have a lot more information   about who's gonna be involved, what shape this thing is gonna take. Because right now, it could take any shape between five or six different shapes that I've seen. And all of them have their merits, and they all have their interesting things going about it. But,   when West Jordan wanted me to design it, I I   it just needed to be designed by the team that's gonna be installing it. It. Like,   the way that they did it these don't typically happen where it's a it it's it's an RFP for design slash build. Usually, it's either design   or build, and then they'll take their design, and then they'll put in separate RFP up for build.  

But this one's a design build. And so that's kind of interesting because because there's a lot of design firms that really want in on this, but they need a contractor to do it. So there's lots of relationships happening and lots of and lots of connection happening right now   because,   lots of connection happening right now because   design firms are reaching out to us to say, hey. Can you guys help us? And and, oh, do you have a contractor that we could work with? Yeah. Sure. There's a contractor over here. You know? So it's there's a lot of connecting. There's a lot of networking and a lot of a lot of good things happening,   with this thing that I think can benefit disc golf   Utah disc golf in in the future because there's there's there's a lot of fun things happening with it. So what do I have to do to get a course in Clearfield?  

Clearfield, I think   I think you just gotta identify a spot. Honestly, this explore act is where it is where you look. I was gonna say look for some BLM land. Look for some BLM land. Look for some look for some Wasatch You go camping again. Yeah. Some some Wasatch State Forest land. Spice.   Get with Kyle Hunter who's who's who's who's up there trying to figure some stuff out. Okay. You know? Like, form your form your northern you elevate Utah   alliance and use all the assets that that we've got available Mhmm. To take to these BLM offices to Antelope Island would be awesome. Oh, that would be a cool course. I I actually had a conversation with, the Wasatch the Wasatch Mountain Manager today, and I was asking him about it. And he's like, yeah. I think it'd be great, but you gotta figure out what to do about the buffalo. Yeah. Because Yeah. Those are the moment. Well, not that. He said he said he said, because they're gonna see those things up there, and they're gonna wanna they're gonna wanna use them to scratch themselves. Oh.   So you gotta They'll just they'll just destroy it. You gotta figure that out.  

Maybe maybe every single basket's elevated.  

[00:51:27] Sean Kelley:

There you go.  

[00:51:28] Scott Belchak:

Just an 18 whole course of zipline baskets. Right.  

[00:51:32] Sean Kelley:

The baskets are just strapped to the backs of the buffalo. I don't know. Moving to territory. Name of the course. Buffalo Island. Dude, that'd be cool. Buffalo Ridge. It would be sick, though. It would be cool. So Yeah. No. It I mean, going back to West Jordan, it it will be exciting   because the first few, like, courses,   you know, they were kinda all in our hands, like, as far as design work,   you know, finding finding companies to actually come out and build them,   and those type of things were fun. But this would this is gonna basically be the first one   that we kinda end up like you know, we we we we got the land.  

We we we got the money, and it's just more or less like, alright. Let's leave it up to you know, we're kinda releasing it to the public a bit. Exactly. Yeah. You you make a course now. Mhmm. Like, you know, we're here to we're here for any questions, this type of thing. Like, we   we definitely would love to be involved or at least, you know, being able to consult   about the course and, you know,   those type of Yeah. Things. But it it is kinda one of those situations where it's like the first, you know, handful of courses we made, we were directly involved in. They were directly something of us. But   I also think it's nice where you can get the course made, have someone come in and build it where we can actually go out and try to find where the next course is gonna be. Right. Rather than than waste the next, like, year and a half Right. Or so, like, or however long it's gonna take to get the thing, you know, ready and up to par to to start throwing,   disc golfers on it to play it.  

Like, it it's nice. It's kind of almost just like, hey, man. Like,  

[00:53:05] Scott Belchak:

you raised it. Now you release it and let it go. Yeah. Exactly. Let's get other people involved to see, like, what they come up with. Yeah. So we need to be you know, there's there's gonna be a lot of people listening to this where where, they they hear about this this West Jordan course, and they're like, oh, that's cool. That's that's like that's the first I've heard of it. This is awesome. You know? We're getting a new course.   And we in this room need to be thinking about   two years from now. Yeah. Because that's how long it takes to get something from the point of of idea conceptualized   to funded   and and installed   is two to two and a half years.  

And and if we're not thinking about   what's happening in two to two and a half years, then we're failing,   you know, because we're just   gonna be behind the eight ball. And that's why I'm putting all of my energy into this explorer act. Mhmm. Because   that's two years from now. That's where we need to go. We need to be thinking about that and planning for that. And then the the rest will follow. You know? Like, the momentum that we've already created by by just installing these places and getting people out and, like, putting the river bottoms in, updating Creekside, getting getting,   new tee pads at at Art Dye, getting the Tetons installed, installing the the Wasatch Wonder. Like, all of those things that we've done have created its own little snowball that will roll outside of us   and allowing us to take a step back and focus on   what's two years from now. Disc golf in Flaming Gorge, disc golf in Capitol Reef, disc golf outside of Zion. Right? Like, all these epic things that that we can now access because of the Explore Act.  



[00:54:40] Nick Jennings:

Yeah. And I I don't know. As we've been talking, I just had this feeling that   this West Jordan project   is that first, like, big step forward. It is. Right? Where it's not just   you and the the crew with Elevate, you and Sean, you know, going out there and creating a course.   It's allowing the public to have some input in it, and then having somebody who maybe went to school for design of, like, landscape architecture or whatever the case may be,   and letting them take it from from vision   to execution.   Correct. Right? Yep. And I think that, like, what you were explaining earlier where it was kinda disjointed before, where some of the RFP would be for just the design or just the installation.   And then, like, it's hard for somebody who is just doing the installation to catch the vision   of what the designer wants. Mhmm. Right? Without them being a part of the team, without, you know. So this is really exciting for disc golf in Utah just in   general, and I think this is the first step to to Utah outside of the Holy Shot and the fort. Right? But to Utah getting on the map   at a national level where we'll have some courses where people will wanna come to Utah to play, right, and and challenge themselves here in Utah where it's different elements than you than you face in Boston, for example.  

Like, you have to bring a whole different slew of discs with you because your old like, your discs that fly at sea level one way don't fly the same way up here, you know. And so it's Yep. It's kind of a fun and an exciting time to be involved in the sport of disc golf in Utah and to to to be able to kinda I don't know. I've loved kinda being a fly on the wall for for some of these projects, like like the the West Jordan Course. We went out and saw it,   a week or two ago.   And I brought I brought a disc. I threw I threw one shot. Shot was telling me. Thank you. I way overshot where the landing zone was supposed to be from what what we're saying.   But, it it was just kind of a fun experience to be able to   to to start catching that vision and to to start thinking about pieces of property a different way. You know? Mhmm. Well, it's good because,  

[00:56:49] Sean Kelley:

like, I I wanna   it was good to see, like, having you have a visual of, like   let's go let's call it, like, the blank canvas of the,   the actual course   because it was the same thing. Like, we me and Scott will go back and forth and joke. And, like, even when you see, like, Nick and stuff out there, like, the first moments out at River Bottoms, and it was just, like, you know, walking in the back by a whole You're the freaking Vietnam. Yeah. I know. Like Like, when you   done over your head. See it now and you're just like, oh, man. There's a fairway here. We got, like it it it's it's fun to see, like You guys should've seen that. You should've seen, like, nothing. But it was it was I'm I'm excited to see,   like, as the development of the course comes along and then its final, you know, conception,   like, for you to be like, I remember when I was up here and I threw that shot, like, into nothing, but you just kinda threw it that way.  

But   those are those are those are kinda, like, some of the little fun things. Because even, like, going back to what you said before is, like,   like, Utah itself,   the amount of, like, quick landscape change from the mountains to the desert to, like, the valley to, like, just some easy, like, wooded courses up to the fort or something like that.   Like, we do have   a   unique area   where   a topography   or landscape changes   so quickly. Oh, yeah. You know, we you can you can play a mountain course in the morning, and then you can come down and play a desert course, like, later in the afternoon. You know? And then woods. And then woods. Exactly. You know, where   so I think that and, like,   I don't know. I I I just think it's, like, a a very special place   for, like I said, for the the amount of different types of courses to be put in an area.  

But  

[00:58:34] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. Like like Flaming Gorge, for instance.   If we if we put an installation in Flaming Gorge, we could have an open sagebrush course. We we could have a   aspen course. Yeah. We could have a pond  

[00:58:47] Nick Jennings:

behind a pond course. Canyon course with all the water, like,  

[00:58:51] Scott Belchak:

lowering. Right? There's just so like like, we could have three different courses in in three different biomes within   twenty minutes of each other Yeah. In in one   spot. It's awesome.   Yeah. That's Utah. It's Utah. That is Utah.  

[00:59:06] Nick Jennings:

Well, thank you for joining us on this episode of the Elevate Utah podcast.   Utah podcast.   We here at Elevate Utah are super excited about what's to come, in the state of, Utah for disc golf. We hope you are as well. As always, if you have any questions, if you wanna hear about something specific, reach out to us at podcast@podcast,singular,atelevateut.com.   We'd love to hear from you. Thank you, and have a great day.