The ElevateUT Disc Golf Podcast

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In this episode of the Elevate Utah Disc Golf podcast, host Nick Jennings is joined by Dustin, Sean, and Scott to discuss an exciting new development in Utah's disc golf scene: the Arena project in West Jordan. Unlike previous grassroots projects, this initiative is backed by local government support, with Mayor Dirk Burton championing the cause. The team shares insights into the project's origins, challenges faced, and the collaborative efforts with city officials and the community to secure funding and bring the vision to life. Special guest Jake Taber from JDS Construction joins the conversation to provide an insider's perspective on the design and construction process, highlighting the unique features of the course and the passion driving the project.

Jake elaborates on the course's design, which includes a beginner-friendly red course and a challenging pro-level course, both set against the stunning backdrop of the Utah landscape. The episode delves into the thoughtful considerations for player experience, safety, and community engagement, with plans for trails, seating, and artistic elements to enhance the space. As the opening day approaches, the team discusses the final touches needed and the excitement building within the disc golf community. Listeners are invited to join the grand opening on August 11, promising a vibrant celebration of this new disc golf destination.

[00:00:26] Nick Jennings:

Welcome in to the Elevate Utah Disc Golf podcast. I'm your host Nick Jennings joined by Dustin.   And Sean. I'm Scott. Awesome. And we are here to talk about a very exciting update in the world of Utah Disc Golf. We're talking about the arena.  

[00:00:41] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. Quite quite a different project than the last one we discussed.   On the last episode, it was Art Die, which was built by the community grassroots, and this one's  

[00:00:49] Nick Jennings:

completely opposite from that one. Yeah. Yeah. Kinda taking a step in a different direction,   which is a very exciting direction for sure. And we do have a special guest. We'll we'll get to him in just a little bit.   But, Scott, why don't you tell us a little bit about the arena and, like, where it's at, like, what kind of property that is there, and kinda get us going. Sure. So this project started, I wanna say, it must have been 2023,  

[00:01:15] Scott Belchak:

and   it kinda fell in our laps.   We were   exploring the idea of the Tetons with,   Isaac Astell and mayor Dirk Burton. Isaac Astell was the,   the director of public works for West Jordan at the time. And, we were able to get a meeting with the mayor and the public works director and talk to them about the Tetons 9 hole course and about what we wanted to do there. And the mayor in that meeting was like, yeah, that sounds fun. Let's do that. But we also have this property down here that we really wanna really wanna take a look at. And,   so   it kinda just fell in in into our laps, this one. This was an an idea that that was championed by   mayor Dirk Burton from West Jordan. He he wanted this to happen.  

And so when the mayor wants something to happen, it it usually gets done. And we we we've seen that happen in this case.   It it definitely had a rocky road to start. A lot of people told us that it would never happen.   They they they said if we went after the amount of funding that we're gonna go after, that it would get shot down.   And   it didn't, in fact,   get shot down. And so those naysayers, I think, are eating their words a little bit, and and that's kinda fun.   But, Isaac left and,   a new guy came in, Corey, and and he's been,   a really a really champ a really big champion of of this idea. So,   when I first started looking at the property, it was just on Google Earth, and I and I pulled it up. And I was just like, oh, okay. Well, I mean, we could could put a disc golf course here, but there's no trees. You know? There's there's nothing special about it. But then I went to go visit it and realized, okay. There's there's some elevation here. There's there's some it's it's pretty expansive. You know, it's a big property.  

There's always gonna be wind. The views are incredible.   And you're sitting up above the valley floor, so,   it's slightly cooler than than down in the valley and and realized pretty quickly that it was gonna be something special as long as it got done the right  

[00:03:20] Nick Jennings:

way. Yeah. Yeah. So where is it located?   I know you're saying West Jordan,   but, like, where in West Jordan? West Jordan's pretty big. Sure. It's at the terminus of 7800  

[00:03:30] Scott Belchak:

South all the way up against,   the the Kennecott Rail Line.   So it's it's neighbors to the west are the Kennecott Rail Line and then Rio Tinto Land, up into the Ochres.   And so it's it's it's kind of a drive to get out there there for a lot of people, but, I mean, if you're if you're downtown Salt Lake, you can get there in twenty five minutes. You know, it's no different than than driving it's it's closer than driving to Bingham Creek. It's gonna be closer than driving to the fort. Right. Art Dive. Art Dive. Right? It's just gonna be another   solid option within   twenty five minutes.  

So I think it's gonna it's gonna fill,   a pretty dramatic need in in that part of the valley.  

[00:04:07] Nick Jennings:

Yeah. Yeah. There's really not not much on the West Side   Of I 15 outside of I mean, now we have river bottoms in Bingham Creek and Tetons,   but those are still pretty close to the freeway. Like, this will really serve the West  

[00:04:20] Scott Belchak:

Valley, like, really well, I think. Yeah. And and, a little bit more backstory about the project.   They the city of West Jordan,   I had I had successfully,   kind of   navigated my way   with trying to instill in them the ideas of of embracing the Utah Outdoor Recreation Grant Program,   because it still is a relatively new program. It's only four years old. So a lot of these municipal leaders don't really fully understand that that grant money is available.   So I was able to educate them on that and and start start moving that forward.   And   they   they   they I sent them a big grant package that that had a whole bunch of information.  

Basically, all the stuff that they that was required to be able able to just copy and paste into these grants because that's what that that's what Draper did. I I sent them a package, and they just essentially took the package that I gave them and just transformed it into a grant package.   And these guys did that too.   Although there was a slight misunderstanding   on the the types of grants that they could pursue,   they they went after what's called a regional asset tier grant, but then they also went after a tier one asset grant.   And the tier the the regional asset tier grant lets them get 750,000.  

The The tier one asset grant lets them get $250,000   And they thought that they could combine those together. So when they submitted their grant application, they they asked for a million dollars.   And then they were hoping,   with that million dollars to be able to put their own million dollars into it so that they could approach this project with $2,000,000 worth of funding. Oh, wow.  

[00:06:02] Jake Taber:

That's a lot of money. Yeah. And unfortunately,  

[00:06:05] Scott Belchak:

the Utah outdoor recreation grant program came back and said, well, did you read, you know, did you read our our rules? You can't you can't do this.   And then they still Corey   at at at the city still went back to his city manager and said, look, this the the they're only gonna give us, you know, 200,000   out of what we asked for. We we asked for a million, they only gave us 200,000.   Can you just please release the the other 800,000   so that we can continue this project with $2,000,000?   So he went to bat for a $2,000,000 project out out out of the arena. And of course, the city manager was like, well, no. I mean, that that'll blow our budget up. Of course, we can't. We don't have $800 just sitting around.   So,   they decide to stick with with the original budget of $200,000   from the city, $200,000   from the state, and, a total project value of or a total project, a budget of $400,000.  

And then,   they asked me if if they asked me very politely if I could just design the course so that they could take the design   and be able to to,   hire a contractor to build it because this we've gone over this RFP stuff in in the past.   So I've you know, we don't necessarily need to rehash all of that.   But   the the the sequence of operations was they wanted me to provide a a design because I had a preliminary design.   But I'm pretty passionate about,   you know, the public market setting   the standard   and knew that there's probably somebody out there that could probably do a better job than me. And I've been on record   over and over and over again that we should hire   professionals   to do this work. And I'm certainly not a professional because one or two courses doesn't make me a professional.  

Right?   Really wanna have someone that's gonna put their reputation on the line for something like this. And and so,   they decided to to do it as a design build project, which means that that, whoever wins the RFP   has to provide the design and then implement the the build.   And and so, the RFP process went up, and we had, I think a dozen,   RFPs come in, anywhere from,   from   you know, we had one one RFP come in for a lot of money and and just not just not a ton of of you know, it it it was very competitive.   But there was one bid that that kind of rose to the top, and that was from a company called JDS Construction. And I think it it it won handily, and and that's our guest today is is is Jake Taber from JDS Construction.  

[00:08:37] Nick Jennings:

Hey, Jake. Hey. How's it going? Good. Good. Welcome, Jake. Thanks.   Why don't you introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about you said JDR Construction?   JDS. JDS Construction. I apologize.   Tell us a little bit about that and and how you got involved with the project.  

[00:08:54] Dustin Hanson:

Okay. Well,   so JDS Construction, we do a lot of, property maintenance,   which consists of installing signs, doing concrete pads,   asphalt work. Whatever companies need, we try to accommodate. But,   when I saw this,   opportunity, I was like, oh gosh. That looks fun.   And,   I had never done a disc golf course before.   But as I'm looking through, like,   what it entails and and what components   consist of it. I was like, well, we do all of those components.   But then it was also the design factor. And I was like, well, I'm not a designer.   So   my partner and I, we started   going disc golfing, and and we started talking to as many disc golfers as we could. And we're like, what do you what what do you like? What do you dislike?  

What's good about this course? What's bad about this course? And in the process, we found,   Philip Romney, who is a professional disc golfer and   going to to school right now for,   landscape to   or landscape design? Architect? Yeah. Landscape architecture. Landscape architecture. There you go. Anyway, so he was giving me all kinds of information,   told me about Scott.   And so I was like, okay. I gotta reach out to Scott. And then one day, he called me, and he's like, hey. I'm out here at the course, and Scott's out here. You should come out and meet him. So I was like, awesome. Let's do it.   Anyway, I ended up hiring Philip to design the course for us.  

And he took a lot of what Scott had already designed and,   kind of   implemented a lot of those. We walked it all together. And so it was really a collaboration.   I'd love to take all the credit and be like, yes. I got this sweet course that I designed.   But,   most of that credit goes to Scott and Philip.   And then,   I mean, it's a it's a it's a great course. It's got a beginner level and an intermediate and a pro level.   It spans over 50 acres. And so the $400,000   budget, first, I was like, sweet. That's a lot of money. We'll get this really good. And now as we're wrapping it up, I'm like, holy cow. I could use another 400,000. Yeah. Good job. Yeah. It goes fast.   But Becomes a bit of a passion project. So it does. So it does. And,   that's that's one of the great things, though.  

Like,   so so JDS   Construction is part of an organization called Basecamp Solutions.   And,   so we have an organization of several different contractors.   So when a company comes out or when we get hired to do a job, it's not just a bunch of jack of all trades. We got specialists.   And so I've been able to utilize a lot of those contacts,   and a lot of them have been having fun doing it.   The guy doing our trails,   cutting stuff in, he's going over there a lot of the times after. He he's he does most of our asphalt work for,   properties and stuff. And so he's going over there a lot times after work and spending three or four hours,   and he loves it. And he's like, no. No. This is a great one.  

And, it's been fun for him. He's like, I love just being out here. Gets a little dusty sometimes. But,   so we've gotten really good deals and and stuff and   and, because people enjoy   building something.   It's not just a parking lot or it's not like you're painting   a a coal sign or something like that. You know?   It it's something that people will use and appreciate. And so it does it does become that passion project a lot.  

[00:12:32] Nick Jennings:

Oh, man. That's really cool.   I love hearing that from somebody who's maybe a little newer to disc disc golf, it sounds like. Just kinda got started with this project.  

[00:12:41] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. So I'd only played a couple times before.   Down in Texas was the first time I ever saw it on a trip, and I was like, hey. What's that? I was like, do I kick my shoe in there? What's going on? Yeah. Do you have a shoe in there? Deer feeders?   No.   Anyway, so the guy was with me was was the avid golfer, and he was like, no. Let's go let's go play. So that's the first time I played, and then,   not much between then and now. So,   going out and playing,   was was very educational for me. I I golf.   I don't wanna say real golf on here, but  

[00:13:15] Scott Belchak:

The correct term is ball golf. Ball golf. Okay. Okay. As as a real golfer, all about it. There you go.  

[00:13:21] Dustin Hanson:

So As a golfer. I do that a lot. And, so I was like, okay. There's there's a lot of similarities.   You know? The idea is to get the ball in the hole or the disc in the basket, but,   there's a lot of differences too. And so going out and talking to to golfers was the way to to figure a lot of that out.   And our designer, Philip, he's very precise and very specific on what he wants, and,   he's been very,   informative and, like, no. You can't you can't do that. That's crazy. You know, things that I don't even think of. So   and then out here, one of the big components was the community.  

The the area, there's people that walk their dogs out there all the time. Kids are playing out there.   There's   a little bit   of   pushback from one or two.   So we went out and met them. Did a lot of walk throughs with them.   But since we started building trails, the kids are running up and down them daily. Kids are mountain biking down there way more than before.   And so it's a space not just for golfers. It's space that people can go. It's created more recreational activities for them.   We've got informative stuff   stuff on our t signs,   all all about birds and stuff. So that's kinda fun. Very cool. We'll do have a we'll have a historic walk with signs that you can do now to talk a little bit about the space out there. So we've done, you know, tried to make it a multifunctional   space as well,   because that was big a big factor  

[00:14:54] Scott Belchak:

in in the bidding process. Yeah. Let's let's talk about these trails for for a little bit because   in   a lot of disc golf courses get made by by, putting in tees and sleeves, is what we call it,   which is, you know, it's not very forward thinking. You know, you gotta think about everything in between.   And   it's interesting that that that, an outsider, a non disc golfer comes in   and instantly has the intuition of, oh, well, we, of course, need trails   in between these things. We can't just be walking, you know. Whereas,   if traditional disc golfers would just be like, oh, okay. Well, we just need tee pads and baskets. But you but you've been really thinking about this   at the entire holistic level   of what what is everything that a disc golf course needs and one of those things is trails. So how many how many miles of trails have you built down there? Gosh. I I knew the answer to this a couple weeks ago.  



[00:15:49] Dustin Hanson:

I don't remember. It's gotta be around three.   At least at least. There's a lot of trails. Trails.   We're in the process now where we've scraped them. We're just starting to grow back, so we gotta go back down and do a final scrape, and we'll start mulching them. And I'm just looking at the amount of that we're gonna need. And,   I've been pushing the arborist from West Jordan to give me as much as he can, but,   it's not really tree cutting season. So,   so we're getting a lot,   a lot of lot of, mulch that'll be coming in now   and delivered all over.  

And it's gonna take us a little while to get all that distributed just because there's so much.   And one of the big things with trails was,   Scott and I talked a lot about that when we were walking. It was you don't wanna walk behind each other when you're playing a game. You wanna walk with each other. And so having the trails wide enough that you can, you know, enjoy the person you're you're golfing with, not just reach over your shoulder and, like, hey. How's it going back there? You know?   So so those little little details make a big difference, I think.   And so that's as we've been when do there there's a couple spots that are narrower as you're coming down a   hill or something like that. But overall, we tried to make them pretty  

[00:17:07] Jake Taber:

accommodating for the enjoyment of it. I mean, as an avid disc golfer, I will say every now and then after some of my shots, I kinda want a lonely walk. You know? So that's still an option. Still an option. So Yeah. Well well, also, they don't build trails for where you throw your disc.  

[00:17:25] Dustin Hanson:

That's true. Hey. Hold on. Shots.   No. It's been fun. And another another thing that that,   we've paid a lot attention to,   the tee pads, and we're still throwing out some ideas as far as how we we,   finalize those. But   sitting sitting,   options.   And so   we put a lot of attention into, like,   the benches that we put out there,   spots for for players to put their discs and and things like that.   The,   approach, all of that stuff has been thought out and walked through, and I think we've changed the plan probably 45 times or more. That's just how it happens. I mean, it's those things as  

[00:18:15] Jake Taber:

as you start building these things or start seeing things come to fruition,   other things start coming to mind. You start seeing other things kinda, like, unfold in front of you that weren't part of your plan, but you almost deem, like, it's necessary to do this for a lot of, like, the little courses.   I mean, some of the details you're talking about seems as though you've kinda gotten into the project here. Is   it is it one of those things where have have you grown a little bit of passion for disc golf? No. I have. I have.  

[00:18:45] Dustin Hanson:

My my buddy too that,   I call him my partner. Is that John? Yeah. John.   He's got a his company is EBS,   building, and, we work really well together. We've been doing stuff forever, and   he he's always like, hey. That's what I got in for Christmas was some disc golfs. Nice.   Or discs. Discs. Not disc golfs. We call them disc golfs. Discs golfs.   Some discs.   And so we went out and played with him, but he's like, hey. Let's do some more of this. He's he's actually started telling his other contractors, hey. Let's go do let's go play. Let's maybe get some discs. Let's go. Nice.   So, yeah, the passion grows. It's that job that I wish I was down there all day long doing.  

But, unfortunately, it's a busy time for contractors. And so you got a 100 jobs you're you're juggling. But Yeah.   It's it's a it's a good place.   My designer, he I I swear he spent   five hundred hours down there. But I was watching him the other day. I pulled up, and he's just sitting out there just, like, doing some Zen meditation.   Yeah.   Then he comes back. I got an idea. You know? And so he spent so much time out there doing that, cutting trees. There's one hole that I love. You You throw through some trees. There's almost no trees on the course, and so it's a special hole. And he was out there with chainsaws cutting all the dead stuff out.   And the entire time, we've been trying to preserve as much of it as as we can, like, not just go in and trample down the Not just scorched earth. But,   so that that that's a difficult process when you're building something, but we've been,   really careful careful with   with that. But, he went in. He's cutting stuff down. He's been hands on the whole time, and,   we've got some really, really cool courses or holes out there that I think people are gonna like.  



[00:20:35] Nick Jennings:

Yeah. I was actually talking to Philip last weekend. He came and played, the Draper Open that I ran. Yeah. And I had an opportunity to to speak with him for, like, ten or fifteen minutes after the last round,   and just kinda pick his brain   about how it's coming.   I actually   we ran into him in, what, February?   Mhmm. When we were down there, we were walking the property. Like, as the RFP process was   getting initialized Yeah. When it was open Yeah. We went down and walked it, and I think Sean was there as well. And Yeah. He was kinda he was kinda  

[00:21:07] Jake Taber:

he was just walking, throwing discs, and seeing how things lost. Yep. Yeah. He was just kinda throwing things, seeing how seeing how holes played and how disc flew. Like because, I mean, going back, there is a lot of elevation out there, elevation changes.   But, yeah, it was good. I mean, we the three of us were walking. Every now and then, we just kinda stop, and we'd look and see where he is and just be like, what's he what's he thinking over there? You know? Thinking of the same hole that that you are? Yeah. Yeah. You know, well, when when we saw him walking out there, I I had the thought of, like, of, like,  

[00:21:39] Scott Belchak:

well, it was first dread because because he was he was on a hole that that I was just adamant needed to play the opposite way. And he was testing it out, out,   going going going up instead of going down. So I just had this feeling of, like, oh my gosh. Like, you know,   like, the one hole that I felt like it needed to to be.   But no. I've I felt I felt like like it it it was a little weird seeing somebody out there, you know.   You know, it's like it's like someone's fooling around with your wife or something, you know. But it's it's what I asked for. It was just You know? So it's   but but then but then,   I think I think I I think you can you can owe a large a large portion of of the success of your RFP   to   the amount of time that he spent   getting getting that design ready initially.  

Oh, yeah. Sure. Like, that thing was just like, I I saw all the RFPs. I, you know, because because I got on all of them. I got on every single one that that got submitted.   And there was there was one that stood above the rest of them and it was an obvious choice. There was no other choices that could have been chosen.   And, like, your RFP knocked it out of the park. And and it's because Philip put together such a good package   that was visual.   It was it was, you know   and and I remember seeing him down there and talking to him, and and he was surprised to see us because he because because he had been down there all week long,  

[00:23:03] Dustin Hanson:

every day of the week Mhmm. And we were the first ones that he had seen. And that right there shows you why you won the bid. Yeah. Because he worked his ass off. He did. He when I get when I was like, hey, you wanna help me design this? Like, he was thrilled. And then, like, he was telling me before he saw you out there, Scott,   he's like, Scott Scott Belichick, he's the guy you gotta gotta get in contact with. And then he calls me on the phone. He's like, he's out here. It was like his celebrity meeting. You know? He was he was like a little kid at a candy store. He was very excited about it. It's just funny because it's just I don't know. I'm just a guy doing stuff. Well, it is funny going back to that because the amount of times, like, we've gone out to just look at it and look at it again. We we start in the winter. We start in the summer. Like, we just kinda  

[00:23:46] Jake Taber:

and, again, nobody was ever out there. There may have been someone like walking a dog from the neighborhood or something, but   I feel like once you because the amount of times we'd, like, look over, like, this would be a potential good hole. How would you do this? Or we wanna use this elevation.   And then seeing out someone's out there with the same process going on in their brain, you almost just wanted to suspect, what are you thinking? Yeah. What are you thinking here? For sure. Like, you know, because it was. It was just like someone playing in your backyard, and you're like, those are my toys. Get away from it. Right. Don't touch it. Well, and it turns out he was thinking about things completely opposite than me.  

[00:24:21] Scott Belchak:

And and he he came up with a plan that, like, uses every single square inch of that property   by by by putting in this red course. Can we can we talk about this this layout a little bit? This this red course layout? Well, yeah. First, so so originally, when when I went to the pre bid meeting,  

[00:24:39] Dustin Hanson:

I'm standing there and it's snow on the ground. It's cold, and it's windy.   And I'm looking around at other other,   competitors,   I guess,   with with Frisbee golf,   discs on their shirts.   And I'm like, crap. I'm going up against the big guys here. And my buddy was just like, we might be outgunned, Jake. And I was like, no. We're not. We got it.   And it's because, like, the building of the course, I'm, like, 100% confident in my ability with that. I was like, we just gotta design it. And so I started designing it while I'm sitting there, and then they're like, we only wanna use half this space, though. And I was like, well, there goes my whole stupid design. Right? Yeah. And I was like, no. And then we keep going in this pre bid meeting, and they're like, like, well, we could use some of this space. But right now, we're just planning on using half the space.   And they're like, but we want a pro pro level course too,   but our main focus is just on a beginner's course.  

And and I told my John, I was like, hey. They've They've kinda given us, like, a mixed message here. We're just going big.   We're gonna use the whole space. I was like, but the part they didn't want us to use, I was like, let's go around the edges, and then the whole middle is still available for whatever they did choose to use in the future. Yeah. There's there's a big flat,   kind of meadow sagebrush meadow right in the middle of the property. And I don't know that they'll ever use it for anything, but it's there. They can.   So that was the only thing like, when Philip came out, I was like, like, hey. This is what I'm thinking is that we go around right here, and then we do this red course over this section.  

And he took it and ran with it and made something beautiful. So the red course,   was   I thought I'm like, Philip,   for a second, I was I mean, I was a little bit concerned because he was so focused on the pro course because he's   a elite Yeah. Elite player. And so I was like, hey. We really gotta put some focus on the red course too. He's like, oh, I got that down. So I was like, okay. Just making sure. And he did. He had it down. So,   then he starts showing me, like, what he's thinking. And there was a couple of, like, shots that I was like, as a beginner, I'm like, you gotta have this. It's gotta be in there. And he's like, it it it's in there. I was like, okay.   And I really wanted to throw from the top part,   originally.  

There's a playground there, and I was like, it's just the very top. I was like, we gotta throw from up here.   But we went away from that idea because   then then you still have a park.   And and it's two separate entities, kind of.   And and,   the alternative   is we're thrown from a couple other spots that are   higher elevation,   better views, actually, I think. And so so we were able to to   to get those. But,   the beginner course, though,   I went out and I've thrown from every spot.   Every tee pad I've thrown from.   A lot of times with Philip. And most of the time when I'm throwing or when he's out there with other people throwing, it's it's safety.   That at first was like, when we throw this   and I'm a bad golfer, guys. I'm horrible.  

I was like, where where is this gonna end up? Is this gonna end up hitting somebody? Is it gonna end up in someone's yard? Are we hitting fences, going over fences? And so that all all of those were details to think about, because we want kids to come out and play. And this Red course has got some fun shots that I think, like, I'm not a pro level guy, but I think they're gonna love playing the Redcourse even,   because some of the holes are fun.   We've got a couple of Mandos going in,   that'll that'll make it a little exciting as well.  

[00:28:13] Scott Belchak:

So how does the red course interface with   the pro course?   Be more specific. So is it just short to use the core? I show up and I'm like, okay.   What course what course am I going to? Like, Like, you get to the kiosk. The kiosk says the kiosk has all this information on there. Yep. And then you've got   long hole one here and then   and then a  

[00:28:37] Dustin Hanson:

a different a different you have two different hole ones. Yeah. Yeah. So hole one is the same hole for everybody. And then hole two, you go is where where it splits and you can go red red course or,   yellow and blue course. Mhmm. And so and then it's just different tee pads. We have different sometimes you share on the tee pads, some you you're not. But it's not just shorter.   Sometimes it's   it's,   not as difficult of a shot.   Sometimes, though,   gosh, there's a couple red ones that I think will will be challenging for anyone.   So there's still the challenge factor.  

I I don't think I I personally think the reds will probably be played more than anything.   But the pro course is pretty pretty exciting   too. It's got I think it's gonna be the longest hole in Utah. Is that right? Hole 2? Hole 2. Yeah. Hole 2 is probably  

[00:29:32] Scott Belchak:

it's probably up there. I think there's there's one in Cedar City that's pretty long.  

[00:29:37] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. It's just, like, nine it's 900 feet or something. Yeah. I'd have to double check, but it's far. Yeah. Par four or five? Par five. Nice.   Yeah. We got some distance. We got some good elevation in all all all the all all levels.   You're throwing from elevation. You're throwing,   difficult shots. You're throwing   short shots on some.   There you got par threes and par fours. And,   yeah, I I I think it's gonna be exciting for everybody.  

[00:30:05] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. The gold the gold course is, you know, I've I've gone out there and and and really looked at at these and done some done some soul searching on whether I'm ever gonna play the golds,   you know, because they're they're made for thousand rated players. Yeah. They really are. And the blues are made for   for me, you know. So it's like, why would I wanna go it's like going and playing the Blacks at a really tough golf course. Yeah. You know, it's like and what what that's what's really exciting about this is because we don't really have a course that's gonna that's like that has the Blacks.   You know, it's a lot of par three. It's a lot of it's a lot of par 54,   you know.  

Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:30:41] Nick Jennings:

So on the on the blue and gold course Mhmm. You were saying that some some of the holes share the same tee pad. Will they have different baskets?   Or will they will they be like a long pad and a short pad for the same hole?  

[00:30:54] Dustin Hanson:

So it depends on the hole. So there's,   if if,   so so a lot of times, there's just two different tee pads for the same basket.   Sometimes I don't think ever it's a different basket.   We have multiple positionings   for the basket.   It's just like   oh,   I'm trying to think of which hole it is.   Anyway so so no. It's if it's shared,   it's it's because it's it's probably an easier hole. Or, like, hole number one is shared.   It's all going to the same basket. Mhmm. And it's because it's a fun hole.   You're throwing from top down,   easy hole.  

And then when you go to two,   two, it's a shared.   No. Two, you have two different baskets. It's a whole different it's a whole different whole. Yeah. It's a whole different whole it's a whole different,   take on the whole,   or approach. Mhmm. Because sometimes they're positioned   far away. Sometimes they're not so far away, but it's a completely different angle or things like that. Yeah. I think I think hole two of the red course plays to hole sevens basket.  

[00:32:07] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. So   it it's it's going to create   some awkward moments out there when you're just like, okay,   who are these people and why are they throwing out my basket?   But at the same time,   they they're only on   that hole once for for that course.   The they're on they they only share   a similar hole or basket or tee pad area   for one hole,   and then they take off, and then there's two more holes that get done. So these these red players will be able to essentially,   like, teleport through the course,   And you'll see him once, and then you'll never see him again. I mean, you'll you'll see him out there playing because you can see everybody playing anywhere you're at, which is why we called it the arena because, you know, it's feels like an arena. Yeah. That's the the exciting part about that course, like, the first time we went out there and looked at it, and we showed up at the parking lot, walked out to the edge of that park,  

[00:33:04] Jake Taber:

and you just looked down into this Yeah. This area. I mean and you can, like,   for,   like, any type of, like to throw a tournament out there, you could literally just watch   everyone playing from this one area. Like, you can look left, look straight across, or look right, and you just see the whole course flowing, like, as you're playing. That was kind of the one of the captivating,   you   know, essence of that course was, like, you just you're looking down into this course. So it's kind of exciting, and I'm I'm I'm excited to see how people actually, like, once they show up and look at this. Because most of the time, it's   you get out you get out of your car, kinda walk into the woods, and you just disappear for a while. Yeah. But this one, at any point where you're playing, you can look around and watch other people playing holes.  

And it's I think it's gonna be pretty exciting to see. So that's actually something we've considered  

[00:33:54] Dustin Hanson:

is putting benches right there. I don't know if that would make it better or ruin the ability to maneuver through there.   And there's already a couple benches, but they all face the park.   But when you're standing at the top of this, you really can look down and see everything.   And there's no jeopardy of, like, safety or being hit with a disc while you're up there.   And so that was one of the things that we thought a lot about is   you can stand up there. You can watch. You could put benches, bleachers, whatever, and watch the whole thing play.   There's only a couple holes that go around the corner that you wouldn't see. But Yeah.  

So so, no, that's one of the exciting spots.   We also thought a lot about,   you know, the coming together of people to play a game. And so,   let's see.   I think it's   holes,   twelve and eleven. Eleven and twelve,   or ten and eleven for the red. But,   we have a pergola with a picnic table that'll go under there. It's the tee pads are in the same spot.   You throw one way, come up the hill, and throw another way. And so it's a spot where people will come. They'll be able to, like, associate with other people playing.   You'll be able to hang out together for a minute and then move on. It's also one of the best views on the course, so you can kinda sit, relax, hang out, and have some awesome views while you're doing it. Yeah. It's it's it's on the the westernmost part of the property.  



[00:35:26] Scott Belchak:

So so you're sitting on the bench essentially with the Kennicott Rail right behind you and the Ochers behind you with the entire Wasatch Front laid out in front of you   and and the entire course. You can see everything from up there. That sounds pretty epic. It's gonna be awesome. Yeah. It looks pretty wild. It's a fun one.  

[00:35:44] Jake Taber:

So back to because we keep calling it have we  

[00:35:47] Dustin Hanson:

solidified the name, the arena? It solidified. And so Alright. When I saw Scott's design, he Scott came up with that. I think it was Scott the designer that named it. But,   he's who I took it from, and I called him. I was like, hey. This is beautiful. We gotta use that. So that's what I named it.  

[00:36:03] Jake Taber:

Because I know some, like, municipalities   are, like,  

[00:36:06] Scott Belchak:

just the towns or cities themselves Yeah. Don't allow you just to name it whatever you want. West Jordan didn't. Like, we went through the whole thing with with with the the wash. That's why I was wondering, like, we keep calling it the arena. Like, have they actually, like, signed off to be, like, cool. You can call it this. Or will they come in and they'll call it, like, oh, the West Jordan Recreation Area. Like, something like that, you know. So but we'll just, like, as to disc golfers, we'll just call it the arena. That was the one thing the mayor really wanted with with the Tetons was to call it the Tetons. Yeah. He was he wanted to alright. Well, I mean, whatever you want. It's fine. But now with this one, the big one that we're spending money on, he's like, oh, sure. Call the  

[00:36:42] Dustin Hanson:

arena. Yeah. Cool. So they were referring to it. The park there is called Sycamore Ridge Park. Yeah. And so they were calling it Sycamore Ridge Golf Course. And,   in my proposal, that's kinda what it was because I didn't wanna steal his idea  

[00:36:55] Jake Taber:

that fast. Yeah. That's why that's why I bring it up because You know what? You know what? You know what? We are talking about that too. We might have dinner first. Yeah. They wanted to be like, oh, well, it was gonna be called Sycamore Ridge or something. I remember this conversation we had, and I was like, no. I'm like, it has to have, like just because it it does. It looks like an old I mean, it looks like the Colosseum It does. Yeah. As you walk up and approach. It does. It's very aptly named the arena. The arena. And so that that was like  

[00:37:19] Dustin Hanson:

because I ended up seeing Scott's design. He shared that with me, and   and,   that's what I liked the most was the name was like, Gosh. That's powerful, man. And it's because it it it is that. It's a bowl. It's yours you can stand on actually, on either side,   of of the north or south side, you can stand stand up there and watch it happen. Mhmm.   And so,   when you go over to the other side, it's a whole different perspective, and you can still stand up there and watch everything unfold and and and be pretty safe on that side.   But it but that's what it is is, it's an arena. And and so that's on our on our kiosk. That's gonna be right center,   big name. Nice. And   I think I think that like, I agree with you that it had to be that. It had to be that. Once you see it, you can't can't go back. You   know? Yeah. So  

[00:38:11] Jake Taber:

No. I'm excited. I mean,   I think I met you when we did the ribbon cutting Yeah. Out there. And I haven't been back.   And at this point, it was just kinda The golden shovel. Yeah. The golden the golden shovel moment. Shovel moment. But, I haven't   I've been busy too with with work and travel and everything else anyway, but I haven't been back. And at this point, I'm just like, I'm not going till I can actually go and play it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't wanna go back and   just see, like, things happening. I'm like, at this point, you know, like, let it let it let it finish. And like I said, next time I can go back out there. Yeah. No. No. There's a lot of little details and little things that go into it.  

[00:38:48] Dustin Hanson:

We've had,   one of our   artists are down there. They're down there today painting,   and, they're doing some murals and little things like that.  

[00:38:59] Scott Belchak:

Can you talk more about these murals?  

[00:39:01] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. So,   Amanda Peterson, she's a,   art teacher at at West High.   I hired her to come out and do it.   And   she she drew up some some ideas, and they they were pretty good. And I was like, okay. These are kind of fun.   And then she kinda chucked all those ideas   and and went more towards, like, the disc golf vibe for a minute and came up with some really cool ideas. I was like, woah. Okay.   And and then when once they started, like, the it like, it was these like,   there's, like, the dry riverbed there, and there's two bridges   that are concrete bridges where the water can flow under.  

And the concrete right there has just been graffitied for   probably years. You know? Yeah. Lots of thirteen year old graffiti. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying. Imagine.   And so I was like, well, let's paint them. And I wanted to do a community project and let, like, the local middle schools or high school, Copper Hills is out that way. I invited them to come out and do something,   but it was too close to the end of the year. And so they kinda were like, no. We don't have time.   And so I ended up turning it over to her to, like,   turn them into something other than thirteen year old graffiti.  

If you go in the tunnels, we left a little bit of that. You know? Okay. So so you can see the difference. Places. Yeah. Yeah. And go find some That's appropriate. But she I'll see you when I grab my disc. Yeah. Right? Exactly. You will.   No. So she spent a lot of time,   way underpaid.   And, again, it becomes that that passion project for so many people working out here on it.   And,   I mean, she's just send almost basically   donating her time to do it. And so,   everybody that's seen it is, like, blown away. Nice. There's a cool rattlesnake on the backside of one that you only see as you come up to get your bad thrown disc. And you're like, oh, gosh. Well so it it kinda jumps out at you, but the detail on it is intense. I don't know if you've seen that one yet. I've I've only seen the the one on, must be Hole   8. No. Nine eight? Yeah. Of the of the kind of sun setting. Uh-huh. Yeah. So she's got another one of those on across from it, but on the backside is   the rattlesnake. And she started the fourth one today.  

And that one's more birds and stuff that she's seen out there while she's been doing it. Cool.   And so I'm really excited for that one.  

[00:41:27] Scott Belchak:

And that's above and beyond stuff. Like like Yeah. That's not something that is required   by the city to to do. That's just something that that that you as a as a contractor have decided is important to the project.  

[00:41:39] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. So there's a couple little things like that. There's that.   We have,   we're still still working on that one with, Brody,   to come out and do some some work on on the mandos and paint those. And that's Brody Duncan with Fly Design. Yeah. Yeah. I've It's a lot of good stuff. I've been,   the they're big Mandos telephone poles,   and they're hard to maneuver. And and I think I've got got a a decent way for him to paint. We'll see.   But I've been kind of, like,   late on getting him involved in that. And so,   West Jordan wants to do   an opening day ceremony, August 11, I believe. And I'm hoping to have those up by then. They might go up right after. We'll see.  

I don't wanna rush  

[00:42:28] Scott Belchak:

rush good art. You know? Yeah. Brody's plan for those is is is to put them up on   on   on sawhorses, essentially. So that he can Yeah. So he can maneuver them. And then he wants to try to stain   stain them so that it it looks like a it looks like a carved totem pole. Yeah. And and so that it it looks carved, but it's not. It's just stain. But there's a lot of them, and so we might get a couple in and, go from there. Mhmm. Instead of the seahorse  

[00:42:58] Dustin Hanson:

or the seahorse.   Wow.   Yeah. We're not using seahorses.   No. There's no water down there. Yeah. Yep. No. Instead of using them,   we're looking at placing them on tires because we've got tires out there.   We're gonna do some fun things with tires to,   point in directions and stuff, but   they roll over pretty nice and smooth on the tires. We were playing with that the other day.   But we we also like trying to think of and then it's kinda hard to come up with ideas. But,   going back to the Red Course,   that's a community course. It's a beginner course. There was a big, emphasis on on people being able to take their kids,   golfing with them and make it fun for their kids. So we've been trying to come up with at least a couple ideas of things, like, that kids can play on or do. Like, we got this giant tire,   picked it up from one of our properties that we take care of.  

Like, don't throw it away. Let's take it out here, and we'll bury half of it, and kids can just climb over it. You know? Yeah. And it's not that exciting to us, but I'll bet you you'll see so many adults climbing over it. There's tons of dads who have kids Yeah. Or even moms who have kids who like to play and They like to play. Their kids out. And so we're trying to think of some fun things like that. We can put it at tee boxes or along the way that makes a kid wanna go down and play and be like, yeah. I wanna go. And,   we got,   haven't built it yet, but Tic Tac Toe idea that you   originally, we were gonna throw discs at it, and I was like, that might mess up the discs. I don't know. So, like, we'll just leave some rocks over there. They can throw them, and you try to turn it, stuff like that. I don't know. For sure if it'll be Tic Tac Toe.  

I got a couple guys coming up with ideas for that. And,   just little things like that, though, that makes   your little kid that doesn't really   wanna play,   golf yet,   go go out and and be like, yeah. This is fun because we do this, this, and this. Yeah.   When I go ball golfing with my kids, we play a game with the tee boxes.   They don't actually golf, but they love playing the game and driving the cart. So I'm like, how can we make this something   that kids like to do too?   They could probably ride their bikes through most of the course. The red course, I think they could,   ride their bikes through it while they're playing if they really wanted to or things like that.  

Again, it's just getting those kids   more excited to come out and play too.  

[00:45:28] Nick Jennings:

Little things like that. Yeah. It sounds to me like not only have you focused on the design of the course,   the functionality, the safety,   but also the experience   that somebody has when they're when they're on the property. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Like what Scott was saying, the above and beyond things that   an a disc golfer wouldn't think of necessarily.  

[00:45:49] Dustin Hanson:

Right. So there's a lot of like, when I go,   ball golfing,   I go I go with John, and we,   we've we both bought these little journals that we rate every course in now that we play and Nerd. Hey. I know. Right? It becomes that. It becomes that. They got absolutely. There's so many different things that make up the experience. It could be the weather. It can be, you know, how fast the golf carts go sometimes. And,   but it's those little details like, are the greens taken care   of?   When you get in the golf cart, is there   a scorecard there for you? Things like that.  

And so   we were like, okay.   Details matter.   We're rating every course we play like that. And so it's just applying that same concept here. Like,   it's a desert course.   We looked at at doing a lot of   trees originally. I was like, how do I get water down there?   I could I could, tap into the sprinkler system and bring it all the way down, and I could plant a forest over here. And I was going really big at that at first, and I was like, no. I gotta let the desert be the desert.   Because there's a lot of courses in Utah that you could go play through the trees on.   I don't think there's a lot of courses where you can throw from way up high, down low, or you know? So so this has its own   appeal.  

There there's still a couple spots we're gonna plant trees.   A lot of wildflowers   and stuff like that, we wanna throw out there just to make it exciting.   But, most of it, we're trying to leave   natural because I think that that's   that's the experience of playing this course is   Just playing in the old days. Yeah. Playing it for for what it is kind of.   But, again, doing little things to to try to appreciate or increase that   overall experience. Bathrooms.   I spoke speaking with West Jordan,  

[00:47:50] Scott Belchak:

and they've got plans to at least have have an outhouse or two down there. Yeah. I mean, we That's good news. We we learned how many male genitalia it takes to get a get a draper at a disc golf course. One ply. And it's just one.  

[00:48:03] Jake Taber:

Yeah. There you go. It's just one. It was Sean. It was Sean.  

[00:48:07] Scott Belchak:

Hey. Hey. Hey. That's all it takes. No. No. No. So it's it's currently we're recording this, and it's it's July   21.   And the   the opening day is   on the eleventh.   That's   twenty days from now ish. Yeah. Yeah. So   what is   what do you have left to do? I mean, we like, I know this in software engineering that the the last 90 the last 10% of a project is 90% of the work. Is that is that is that still the case with this? I mean,  

[00:48:37] Dustin Hanson:

it it feels like it.   Tee pads were a big deal because you're getting concrete into some pretty crazy places down there.  

[00:48:46] Scott Belchak:

And that's all done. All the tee pads are done. All the tee pads are done.  

[00:48:49] Dustin Hanson:

I am looking at How many total?   Gosh. I think there's, like,   fifty,  

[00:48:56] Scott Belchak:

forty something, 50. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's a lot. Mix and match a little bit. There's 1.8 on every on every hole on the golds, and then   the reds have   16 of their own tee pads.  

[00:49:07] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot.   And then benches, we've got all the benches   out there. We've just gotta position them.   So a lot of that's just that. The trails was another big factor, like cutting out trails.   The dirt's pretty hard out there. And so cutting through that,   you're hitting rocks and you're like, some of that was pretty intense.   And every time we do a trail, then we'd come out and we'd throw the discs and be like, crap. That's going in someone's yard. We'd have to redo another trail, you know, moving tee boxes around.   Like I said, the plan's probably changed 45 times. And so   being able to say we got tee pads poured was huge   and then baskets positioned.  

We've got all of our,   t signs   cut and cemented in.   In. We'll be out there next week doing finishing all the sleeves. I just got those. They're big package sitting in my driveway of t signs and basket or not t signs, baskets and the sleeves.   And then,   so those will be going in. We're putting two pergolas out there or not pergolas, gazebos,   shade shelters. Mhmm.   It's it's hot out there. Mhmm. And so Yeah. That'll be both four and eleven. We have those. My shop space is, like, overflowing with, like, tables and benches and everything. You know? So I'm, like, let's let's get it out there now. So it is it is the coming together, like you said. There's still a lot of work to do, but the big projects the only thing else is, like, stairs. As I say, Scott and I walked it. We didn't walk. Well, there no. We we rode it together. Yeah. You were loving it. That's been one of the best things, having four wheelers out there. Yeah. Knowing no one else can do what I'm doing. As  

[00:50:57] Jake Taber:

he's pointing stuff out, I was like, okay. We're gonna need, like, stairs. Yeah. Like, there's I'm not I'm not climbing up. So I've been fighting stairs  

[00:51:06] Dustin Hanson:

because stairs are hard to put in and they're expensive to put in.   Just for example, like, the bars we're using are   between, like, $4 and $6 a bar, and you're putting at least two of those in. And then railroad ties are expensive.   Like, not for one, but   for 200, it is. And I'm like, gosh. The budget is it's killing me. Stairs are killing me. I think in my original bid, I had, like, 50 stairs   is what I was thinking.   And,   I had my contractor or not contractor, excavator out there,   cutting in, and   he's we had to bring out bigger machinery to make it happen. And,   I I I let Philip come out,   while he was out there, and that was a mistake. No.  

No. Philip Philip is the is the kid can dream big. And and I love Philip, and I hope that I can do more projects with Philip. But   he   isn't the guy in charge of the budget. You know? And so he's out there. He's like, we need stairs here and here and here. And I'm in Tennessee and my buddy's calling me in the excavator and he's like, hey. Hey. Your guy is just   putting me to work out here. He's like, I'm hanging off a cliff, man, in an excavator. And he's showing me pictures and I'm like, woah. Okay. Alright. I was like, we don't need stairs there. Nobody's going up there. And he's like, well, your guys should put stairs there. So we've got, like, 300 or 400 stairs. I was like, Philip. Philip.   I'm gonna have to take a loan out to do this course, man. Thank god for Philip. Yeah. So, you know, so now we're going through and we're like, k. We have to have stairs here, and we we have to have stairs here. We've got we've got materials to build about anywhere from a 100 to 200 stairs.  

And so I'm hoping that that's enough.   And if it's not, we'll have   to figure some stuff out. But there's a lot of spots we cut in stairs.   And if I just throw some mulch down, it's gonna work beautifully. I don't have to you know? Because and and maybe slowly over time, it turns into just a trail, but it's it's not bad at all. And so but there are those spots that you're like, no. You gotta put in some good stairs. And   I,   was looking at different material and this or that, but   I think,   all around every tee pad,   we're gonna put gravel, and we've moved. There's a lot of, crushed asphalt out ash   asphalt   asphalt. There you go. I need a drink, guys.  

A lot of crushed asphalt out there,   that I think will actually look pretty cool around them. Nice. And,   so and that's already there. So that allows me to put in a few more stairs. And so you're trying now, and now it's at the point of, like, trying to make it look pretty,   applying the mulch, going out and and cutting down some of the   the fairways and things like that, which   we haven't done because I if I'd had done it already, it'd be grown back. So  

[00:54:03] Scott Belchak:

it's all those little things coming together now. And do you think West Jordan is gonna maintain this once it's installed? I'm hoping so.  

[00:54:10] Dustin Hanson:

And if not, like, maybe there's a budget. I would love to,   submit an offer to to do that. We we porter our,   to clean up at   probably thirty, forty different properties along the Wasatch Front. So and then we do all of UTA's   maintenance and or not maintenance, landscaping and stuff like that. So for us to go down there once or twice a week   wouldn't be a big deal.   We could do like, we got some garbage cans that are nice, but if you don't take care of them, they're not. Yeah.   And we've got,   like, the ability to maintain   like, in the fall, you get a whole lot of mulch.  

West Jordan arborists,   they go out, they cut it, and most of that, they've gotta pay the hull off.   They bring it out here and   would hire   us or someone else to just or the city themselves just start spreading it. We can maintain thick, nice   paths.   The issue with everything is you can build it, make it look real nice, but if it's not maintained, it it it doesn't look nice for that long.   So so I hope so.   It's something that I'll I'll speak with the mayor himself about and   and see what we can figure out.   And whether it's JDS Construction doing it or the city upkeeping it, it doesn't matter. It just   it it it'd be kinda sad  

[00:55:32] Scott Belchak:

to watch it fall apart after doing that. You know? Yeah. Yeah. So, it depends on how many people play it. You know? It's like Yeah. If you do a really good job installing a a place right away that captures the imagination of the people and you get people down there playing it,   especially with that with that small course and then you create   a a farm of of people who are down there. Mhmm. You know, it opens up a lot of possibilities. But it's all about capturing the imagination and giving people a really good opportunity to play, and and that's what you've done down there. Yeah. Well, and as people use it too, they tend to take care of spaces  

[00:56:04] Dustin Hanson:

that they use. You know?   It'll probably be much,   or a lot better.   What's the word I'm looking for? They'll take a lot better care of it than they were previously. Yeah. There was a couple camps in the woods that we're we're still cleaning out some of it. Yep. I've seen that camp. The graffiti, things like that. Yeah. We did. It's probably the same kid who was graffitiing that that that graffiti that's been used in that camp. Yeah. Probably.   No. It's when it's not used,   people go down   and treat it poorly usually. And so if it's being used, people start caring about it.   They see somebody down there doing something, they get after them.  

So I I do think that just usage   alone  

[00:56:48] Jake Taber:

will will help a lot. Yeah. Getting foot traffic through a lot of those things.   Usually, like, once you're done with those type of projects, it   it kinda almost naturally takes its own form as people start walking through it and playing it. But Yeah. I mean, it sounds like there's a lot of exciting features out there where, you know, hopefully, as disc golfers come through, like,   you know, they they start appreciating, you know, the level of,   you know, I guess, care and and and   and just thought process that went into the into those areas that they actually start respecting it and just kinda, like, you know, upkeeping it, carrying in what you carry out, that type of thing, and just not trashing it because that's that's usually the hardest thing to watch is, like, something like that   that just comes out so nice and so clean. And then sooner or later, people just start, like, walking all over it and taking it for granted. Yeah. But  

[00:57:38] Dustin Hanson:

No. And I and I think I do think that and that was part of the the issue too is when we talk about the overall experiences.   If it's a good experience,   people keep coming back.   And and those kind of things, like you said, will naturally take care of themselves.  

[00:57:52] Nick Jennings:

Yeah. I know that. So opening day, August 11   Yep. Tentatively or set in stone?  

[00:58:00] Dustin Hanson:

I I think tentative I I think it's pretty set in stone. I mean  

[00:58:04] Scott Belchak:

It's probably depending on the mayor's schedule. Right? Yeah. That that's the day they gave me, and I said, yeah. That alright. I'll get to work. There's there's a certain fever pitch that I'm starting to feel in the community for this this course. Yeah. Yeah. So I think I think that once   it it's a little tricky because once once it's open, I think it's gonna be pretty busy for the first, like,   rest of the the year. Mhmm. So it's like it's like, yes, we want, it open, but we also wanna be able to still get work done down there.   So Yeah. It's just about being being smart about   when to open and getting getting getting everything that needs to be done done. You know? It's like like you said, those mandos don't necessarily have to be done. The stairs do. Yeah. Stairs do. And so that that, like, again, safety was our number one thing. Like, we've got some bridges going in.  



[00:58:49] Dustin Hanson:

And I was like, gosh. It'd be fun to do some, like,   the if like, I was hiking in the Smoky Mountains, and their bridges were, like, just a tree cut in half and that was your thing, and it was narrow. And I was like, it's kind of fun walking across that, but   you gotta go safety. So we're putting in decent sized bridges   and things like that. And so so it's those little details, but those things all have to like, from a safety perspective,   all that has to be done and ready before opening day.   So that's, like,   our primary focus is to make sure that it's safe.  

Stairs, like you said.   There's still one spot where the stairs are pretty steep,   and I don't have a solution right now for a reroute.   So we've been analyzing   the best way to do that while it what maybe it's installing a handrail there or something.  

[00:59:42] Scott Belchak:

Like, at, like, at a cedar post or something? Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:59:46] Dustin Hanson:

And so,   it's it's those little things that are   final touches. But but, again, like,   I would not feel comfortable saying let's open it if if all the safety aspects hadn't been marked and checked.   The Mandos are fun, and and they'll be fun to play it and throw through, but   it's not a   necessity. And so that will be our last last thing. And, hopefully, we're able to to still get that done. But And you technically have until, like, next year. Right? Yeah. So it's got a yeah. I have,   I don't know what the official date   is. In my contract with the city, I said I'd have it done by August 31 of this year.  

I was hoping to potentially open in July,   but,   we ran into   a lot of delays with   labor and,   finding rock or this or that,   working deals, trying to get mulch.   There's so many different aspects that have gone into it.   Concrete,   that's that's a big one. We've had   concrete cancel on us about three times. You know? We're set out there with all of our guys ready to do some pouring, and they're like, sorry. We're not making it. And you're like, oh, alright. Or it starts raining in the middle. Like, it's crazy.   Twice, we've been ready.   Like, no rain on the forecast. We're standing out there, and it starts pouring down, and they're like, no. We're not coming.  

I go, okay.   So, you know, you run into those things and little delays. And,   but,   I think August 31   is,   well, the course will be done by then.   The only thing that,   I did I did tell them might be later in the spring is as planting of more bushes or   or, I mean, in the fall, I mean,   some some of those trees and things like that. But What kind of trees are you expecting?   I I walked it with, you know, with the arborist for West Jordan, and we looked at different tree   options.   He sent me a whole list. What's currently   down there? Like, scrub oak? Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. Right? There is there's somewhere where there's one with the scrub oak. Yeah. Yeah. There's a couple of trees,   that you that we we get to throw through.  



[01:02:03] Scott Belchak:

There's that one big one that's that's that's right by the entrance that  

[01:02:07] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. Comes up Yeah. That that's  

[01:02:10] Scott Belchak:

that that only exists there because   because if you go there in in the wintertime, that thing is full of snow. Yeah. It's All all of the comes down to that tree.  

[01:02:20] Dustin Hanson:

I I wish I was better at knowing my trees, but I don't know what that tree was. Is it was it a Russian olive? No. I don't think it was for that.   Yeah. I have a list in here of the different tree options that he said would be good for down there. As long like without water? Or is that Yeah. Yeah. Really? And there'll be water. Right? Like, where I'm putting them. Okay. So on hole, three   for   the gold course,   there was a lady that didn't want the tee pad next to her fence because people get loud. And and so, respectfully,   we're like, okay. And so we moved it over a little bit. But it was a nice tree line to throw through trees. And   so to make that one and then in that same hole,   there's another house down there that's being built, and the lady didn't want us to be thrown   by her fence.  

And so I was like, gosh. This is such a cool hole because because you're throwing from high from there's two parks. It's the lower park.   And so you're throwing from high up down.   And, so we decided to put Amanda there, and then we decided to put a a couple trees so that you'll be throwing,   on each side. You'll have trees on each side that you kind of a tunnel eventually,  

[01:03:33] Scott Belchak:

that you get a throw through down through, Amanda. And that'll be a triple? A triple? Yep. So it's a it's an elevated shot down   through  

[01:03:42] Dustin Hanson:

down through a triple. Yep. Oh, interesting. How big is the triple?   It's It's not river bottoms. Not river bottoms? Probably not. No. No. No. No. That's yeah. That's a man whoo. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know river bottoms. And so I Still miss it. It'll be a difficult shot, but it was done, like, to push people away from from the fence line. And then when you're throwing, you're not going. It kinda controls your shot. Mhmm. So we've gotta plant some trees there, three or four, maybe five trees there.   And then   aside from that, we we probably won't put a whole lot more in as far as trees go.  

It'll all be   natural plants.   My wife is the plant whisperer, so   that's her her her job. Yeah. She is. His wife's on the Draper Tree Committee. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. Got an in. Got an in. Yeah.  

[01:04:35] Nick Jennings:

So where can the community find more information about, like, when the course is opening, updates to the course,  

[01:04:42] Dustin Hanson:

things of that nature? Like, where will all that be posted? That's a great question. I think it's all just online on the West Jordan's   website, but I'm not positive on that one, actually.   Okay.  

[01:04:55] Scott Belchak:

I don't know. I mean, I'll probably have a a an article posted pretty quickly, as soon as it opens. And and,  

[01:05:02] Nick Jennings:

yeah. Well, I'm thinking opening day, if we can get, like, a big group of people down there.   Yeah. I'm sure I'm sure there'll be a big group of people. Like a like a cash only league type thing or, like, just come play or whatever just, like, for opening day, get a good show of support.  

[01:05:18] Scott Belchak:

Maybe Mayor Dirk will be there as well and see how many disc golfers it's attracted. Well, see, the problem is is that is like, you know, Jake Jake at one point was talking about getting some bands going and some food trucks and stuff. And and,   that'd be fun and awesome. But it's like that neighborhood. It's like, do they want that? And, like, you know, it's like like a lot of these guys that came to came to that to that meeting works were expressing,   the fact that   the reason they moved to this neighborhood was to get away from everybody. And now you're building something that brings all these people to my neighborhood. Like, what like, this that sucks.   It's like, okay. Yeah. I'm sorry. But, I mean  

[01:05:57] Dustin Hanson:

So well and that's one thing. Like, it   like, the the big part, it's 50 acres. The I mean, it's the city's   property,   and and you don't get to dictate   that always. But you do get to have a say when when you're part of the city. So it's valid concerns and stuff.   And and one of the solutions and one of the things that that the mayor expressed was the building of a parking lot,   mayor expressed was   the building of a parking lot on the other side, on the West side Yeah. That's what I was gonna ask you about. Potential restrooms and things like that. But,   He's years away. I well and I think and then maybe it's not that far away. Oh, okay. But I think   what he has to see is people using the space,   and what has to happen is people parking in front of everybody's houses. And Sure. You know, when it becomes a problem, you create you create a solution. And So we're saying we should make a problem? You should make a problem. You should go play there. You should throw Oh, it's good at making problems. Throw some tournaments out there.  



[01:06:53] Jake Taber:

No. But You're just gonna be driving up the plane. It's just Scott yelling from the curb at someone who's like, yeah.  

[01:06:58] Dustin Hanson:

No. Because it's to put in a parking lot and to,   to really do that, I was just looking at a a job out in Herriman   to to put in a   a parking lot,   out at where a lot of guys go mountain biking. And we're looking at 1.3   to 1,600,000.0   for that job,   and that wasn't even restrooms or anything like that.  

[01:07:21] Scott Belchak:

And that's where that $2,000,000 budget came in Yeah. When they were looking at it earlier because they were looking at installing   a high quality course,   restrooms,   and a parking lot.   And they wanted to do a a disc golf specific playground for kids. Oh, neat. Yeah. And so  

[01:07:38] Dustin Hanson:

if it it's hard to for a city, I think, to spend a million or $2,000,000   on something that's not being used.   But   if they see everybody's out there, if they see parking really is an issue, and it will be because   it's not a real big parking lot. Because there's only, like, what, twenty, fifteen, 20 spots in that parking lot? Yep. And there's, you know, the side roads and stuff you can park park and go play, but   homeowners are gonna get upset if that's happening all the time. And so   that need will   create the the that push for   expanding.  

And and if there's there's a lot of space out there,   they really could expand, and   and you could always change the numbers of the holes and and whatnot. That doesn't matter. But You're just gonna see a lot of no disc golf parking.   Yeah. I think that that might be what you start  

[01:08:30] Scott Belchak:

start seeing. So Yeah.   Yeah. Well, I'm I'm I'm really excited to see it. And, you know, maybe we do something. You know? I mean, there's definitely gonna be an an Elevate Utah league being run there as soon as as it opens. You know, we'll have leagues running there weekly for sure.   Yeah. And, yeah, these   these leaks are doing pretty good. We've got 12 of them running right now.   And I think my favorite one is is running at The Tetons right now where a   magical like,   a a a warp gate opened   from the Tetons   and transported the entire Tetons Mountain Range and a school of magic   into a Walmart parking lot in the middle of West Jordan. And so now all these kids in West Jordan now these magic kids who were   discovering magic in   up in the Tetons are now here   because there's ley lines,   like, the intersect where,   three wards   line up.  

Right in between all of them. And and so, yeah, all the bag tags are like sentient Jell O molds and, like,   like, weird cursed casseroles.   And all these kids have to have to learn, like, all these weird Mormon cultures.  

[01:09:43] Jake Taber:

Yeah. It's fun. I mean, it's just disc golf, you guys. It's just disc golf. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is funny too because there's the there's that church over in that neighborhood, isn't there? Like, right over Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That whole corner there. Yeah. I wonder if, like,   I mean, we talked about it.   We've had short conversations about it as, like, during the week or something of overflow or, like,   for tournaments or something, being able to, like, park   in like, using the church parking lot as, like, a  

[01:10:11] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. I believe that they've said that that would be an appropriate spot to park, but don't quote me on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine. We just need we just need a Romney to go talk to the stake president, and I think we'll get it done. If only we had one on staff. I know. Gosh.  

[01:10:25] Jake Taber:

That'd be pretty great.  

[01:10:29] Dustin Hanson:

No. Yeah. I mean,   there you go.   Using it to design it. And to get his parking.   Maybe we just have maybe we just have him walk around all everyone in the neighborhood and introduce themselves. Right. He's a good guy to do it. You know? Yeah. He's he's he's he's a nice, wonderful human, and I'm I'm really glad to have to have met him. No. No. He's been he's been a key factor. Like, like I said, I I wish that I could take the credit and be like, yeah. I got this. But without Philip, I don't think that we'd have been a contender.   His design and the amount of time he spent on it was was pretty good. And there were too many things that I was not aware of   or uneducated in in the design process to design   a winning bid, I think, or a winning course. And   so I I like to say I input it, and I inspired Philip and you know? You let him dream, and you made it a reality. Yeah. You know, one one thing that I'm proud of myself for, though, is   is   I haven't handcuffed him, and I've been like, hey. Look. Get out there and make it yours. And I was like, treat it like it's your course because you designed it, man. I was like, put your name all over it.  

And I've tried to just stay out of his way and be like, what do I need to do? And   my a couple employees I   hired, they were out there, and,   it was kinda funny because we go to lunch. And I'm like, yeah. Let me get you lunch, Philip. And they're like, should we buy you lunch too? And I was like, what do you mean? They're like, buy buy buy my boss lunch? I was like, oh, no. Philip's not my boss. And they're like, well, he's telling you everything. I was like, well well, yeah. That's that's because he's the creative mind behind it all. But, no, they all thought I was working for Philip.   I was like, you know, that's good, though. That's how it should be.  



[01:12:15] Scott Belchak:

Well, this is this is such an exciting project for him because he's he's actually going to school for landscape architecture   to become   a career   disc disc golf course designer. Yeah. And and so having something like this in his portfolio   while he's in school, I mean, this is basically a a paid internship   Yeah. You know, and doing exactly what he wants to do. So,   you know, in in fact, we I I I probably should've talked to him about that because he probably could've used this as an internship  

[01:12:43] Dustin Hanson:

with my with my nonprofit and gotten college credit. That's true. He probably could've. Yeah. I mean, the stuff he's done has been like, and I said,   the amount of time he's been out there,   has been intense. And so,   I wish I could pay more, but,   it's just,   you know, what it is. But Yeah.   But, no. He's been very valuable. And,   I I like, he's designing the signs, the tee pads.   I I'd just be like, this is what I'd like it to be, and he was like, okay. Let's do it.   The kiosks he's designing,   we're on, like,   take 14 or something now, but,   he just keeps doing better and better. So I'm like, no. That's not it. Yeah.  



[01:13:32] Scott Belchak:

And he keeps making it better every time. So I'm like, yeah. Okay. Let's see. He actually reached out out to me because he wants to put a small little, like, blurb about the history of the course on there. Yeah. Yeah. So I was just like, well, let's just get Jake and record a podcast, and I don't have to type anything. Yeah. Just play if you want it. No. So so he could record it and send it to him, and then be like, here you go. You gotta listen to the podcast if you want your history lesson. Yeah. No. He gave me he gave me the the the kiosk.  

[01:13:55] Dustin Hanson:

And I was like, gosh. I think I think it's too much on one. Let's do a, like, a tripod or, like, three different sections.   And so he did it, and the one side was just, like,   all white, and it was was the course and the hole and the distance. And I was like, that's good information, but I was like, let's put that somewhere else. I was like, let's put a story or something over there. And he's like, I'm calling Scott. I was   like, I was like, yeah. That's a great idea.   No. So   I was like, yeah. Ask Scott. Like, put the put the history behind the  

[01:14:29] Scott Belchak:

the coming together of it. So Yeah. I actually I actually told him to go listen to our to our Tetons episode. Oh, nice. There you go. I think he'd already listened to it. Okay. Good. Well, I asked him, and he said he didn't. So maybe he didn't know. There you go then. I don't know. I mean, he he he's going to be listening to this one.  

[01:14:46] Jake Taber:

Hi, Philip. Hi, Philip. Yeah. Great job, Philip. I will I will be posting this before  

[01:14:52] Dustin Hanson:

August 11. Okay. That's fine. I'll make sure to get it out before then so that maybe we can get the word out about them kinda No. I think there. I think it'd be a blast if we could put some bands out there and some food trucks and and let people come and,   you know,   experience it like that.   And that's something that   I'm in that weird spot of being, like, the builder   and then also trying to, like, schedule because the city wants to do an opening themselves   and have a party. And I'm like, well, I don't wanna get in their way, but I also want it to be big and and fun and exciting. So I gotta find out more about what they're planning and   see see what our options are there.  

But I think a big grand opening, it'd go far.  

[01:15:39] Nick Jennings:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we could probably make something happen.  

[01:15:41] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah.  

[01:15:44] Nick Jennings:

Guess we'll find out on August 11. Yeah. Maybe as you get more information, maybe pass it along. Sounds like you got Scott's phone number now. Yeah. Yeah. And Scott, if you need any help   with any of the planning or whatever, let me know. I'm happy to to help in any way I can. I mean, I did I just get voluntold that I'm running a party? I guess you're running you're running the party.  

[01:16:04] Scott Belchak:

No. We're gonna just  

[01:16:05] Jake Taber:

we'll we'll just put it on Philip. Okay. Philip, hey. We're opening. You're a party manager.  

[01:16:09] Dustin Hanson:

I I don't know. Maybe that's a hidden hidden skill of his. I don't know.  

[01:16:14] Jake Taber:

He's gonna know some college people. He's got some fun bands or something. Yeah.  

[01:16:17] Dustin Hanson:

I got a couple of buddies, though. No. I got some guys that could come out and play all day long, music and stuff, and set it up.   I just I just need to get the green light and And and food truck lined up. I got food trucks too. Well, maybe.   One of my guys, his dad just started   a food truck company, but he's still in the process of, I think, legalizing it. So,   if that's ready, we could bring him out. But,   I don't know. I mean, one of one of the other things that I think would be fun about that   is,   like, this course has been   like like Scott said, it started years ago,   and it's been so many hands involved in making it come to life.  

And so to   have a big opening ceremony with food trucks and musicians, and it's just a continuation   of more people being involved in it.   Scott's been out there with me to walk it. He's brought several people out there to look at it,   and it's just been ongoing. And I've had my excavators and concrete guys   and laborers, and I've I've been able to incorporate so many different   different,   expertise out there. You know?   Skilled workers and stuff like that. Right.   And so   it really is like like, Philip and and   my my partner, John. Him and I walked it. And like I said, we went out and we played   round after round of golf, walking it, talking to people, trying to figure out all the input we could gather. And,   so I think that's one of the coolest things about it is just the amount of people that have been involved in making it  

[01:18:07] Scott Belchak:

happen. Nice. It's really cool. Nick, should we do should we do favorite hole despite there not being any holes in, like, in the ground?  

[01:18:14] Nick Jennings:

I mean, should we? I mean, I don't know the layout, so I I couldn't help. My favorite hole is the the first one.  

[01:18:20] Scott Belchak:

That's a pretty good hole. Yeah. Yeah. I think so too.  

[01:18:27] Dustin Hanson:

Well, how about this?  

[01:18:29] Jake Taber:

What's Jake's favorite hole? There you go. I like that. Because at this point, he's the only one who's probably throwing discs out there. I mean I mean, I've got I've got holes in it. We took my time out. And I bet you guys can have some of that.   Yeah. We threw from the Yeah. We threw from different areas. Yeah. But,   I'm excited to see if that ridge hole went in.   The one coming from Westside. We'll be at the top with that where Jake's talking about where the, the Gazebo. The gazebo is gonna be. We had the one where, yeah, you shoot down that, but then there's another one where you shoot across and down that ridge. Uh-huh. I wonder if if if that one went in, that I'd be excited to play that hole. Well, I mean, the map's been on elevateut.com  

[01:19:07] Scott Belchak:

for, like,  

[01:19:08] Dustin Hanson:

five months. Yeah. It could've been it I don't it's almost a different map now, though. Yeah. It's gonna be like Christmas morning when I show up to that Yeah. That course.  

[01:19:17] Scott Belchak:

You're right. You're gonna be unwrapping a present.  

[01:19:20] Dustin Hanson:

Or knocking a neighbor's door. So what is your favorite hole out there? On the red course, Hole 8 is gonna be   probably most people's favorite hole for that that course, I think. And why? It's the one where you're throwing through a tunnel of trees.   Oh, yeah. And and it's cool. And we actually switched it.   Where we were trying to put a tee pad was just   not working. That's where that guy, like like like, took his entire backyard pool and just, like, spread his Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All that dirt out there and then built a fence. And then we were excavating and we were digging up, like, shares from, like, old school cars and stuff like that. We're like, holy cow, man.   On the gold course,   it's gonna be Hole 16, I think, would be my favorite. That's the one where you're bombing off the top of the hill. And you're shooting into another like, there's only a couple trees. And so you're shooting the the the the baskets   up there, and it's hiding. And And   and, originally, we had   two tee baskets for that hole.  

And the one just wasn't fun. It was just out in the open, and   and we're like, no. We're getting rid of that one. There's just one Mhmm. One position for that hole.   And,   it's it's my favorite spot to be, I think, on the course. It's because you're up on the you're on the west side of it. You're up high as you can go. And you there, you truly can see everything on the course.   And you got   it's it's just the most amazing view. Mhmm. And I was gonna do   a a gazebo up there as well.   But there's a there's a tower, and I was like, I don't know if I'll be in the way or anything. So wish you could put benches up there and I think it'll be a p a spot that people just walking by will stop and sit there all the time though. Yeah. Maybe maybe we could build like a lean to shade structure in the future. Yeah. Yeah. But the sun kinda goes in front of you anyways. Right. Right. It wouldn't really be a shade structure right there probably. Right. Really wouldn't suffice. And so,   also,   it's I've I've decided to put the shade structures where   multiple holes come together. And so you get that The two fer. Camaraderie. You know? Mhmm. Yeah.  

Nice.  

[01:21:33] Nick Jennings:

I'd change my answer from Hole 1  

[01:21:36] Scott Belchak:

to whatever hole the par five is gonna be. I think that's Hole 5 or six. Is it six?  

[01:21:41] Dustin Hanson:

Well, we have two. Hole 2.  

[01:21:45] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. Hole two's hole two's like a par four and a half. Okay.   Hole hole 6 plays plays uphill   for the first shot and then uphill for the second shot. And then you gotta stick it on a, like, a, like, a a mound,   like, way far it's it's gonna be a tricky shot.   There's gonna be there's gonna be lots of interesting holes up there. You know? So I mean Yeah. Hole six is a hard shot. Because hole six, you're you're down and you're throwing up. And  

[01:22:16] Dustin Hanson:

I don't know if you can see the basket. That's the only spot on the course. Yeah. Oh, no. You can't see the think you can see the basket. You might not even see the basket till your second shot. Or you won't. You won't. Or till till your third shot. Third shot depending on where you throw. Depending on how good you are. Right? Yeah.   So that one, I was actually a little nervous about because you can't see the basket. You can't see where you're throwing.   So we were, like, really clear on tee pad position to make sure that that kinda gave you a good indication.   And then we moved stuff a little bit so that you could see anybody that would be walking or things like that.  

But that that'll be a fun one, and that'll be a hard one because you're throwing up,   instead of down.   Yeah. Most of them, you're throwing either straight across or downwards.  

[01:23:01] Nick Jennings:

Yeah.   Well, Jake, is there anything   else that you would like to let the the listeners know about, with   JDS construction or   with the course going in,  

[01:23:13] Dustin Hanson:

kinda as we wrap up tonight? No. It's just been it's been a blast for me. Like,   you know, we do all kinds of different work for for companies, and,   every now and then, a fun one comes along. We did,   some painting of buildings for the BLM out in the middle of nowhere about an hour,   West Of Delta.   And that was fun. You know? Hammock camping and painting.   But it's it's not that often that fun jobs come in,   that you're really excited about. And so,   I was really excited when we got this one, and I put like, I spent so much time on this bid.   Normally, our bids are quick and, like, do do do do. Put the numbers into the computer. And this one, I was like, I got no idea. So I was really happy when they said 400,000 is what your budget is.  

And then I'm like, okay. How do I make a profit on this? And I was like, yeah. If I do, I do. If I don't, I don't kind of attitude. But,   it was, how do we make this this cool and fun? And   there's been so many people that have have have,   enjoyed the process.   Some some some not. Like, one of my guys was complaining because I had him out there raking,   you know, stuff so that it wasn't, like, bumpy. And he's like, oh my gosh. This is a hard job.   He's like, you said it was gonna be fun.   But most of it's been really fun. And so   those are the jobs that that you get excited about.  

We're continuously looking for jobs like that.   We've put a couple in, you know, just doing trail restoration or things like that because it gets you out in the wild, in the wilderness. And and so we were just really excited about that. A little bit different than what we do, but   also the exact same thing we're always doing. So,   like, we just did   a whole new subdivision of street signs and   and,   speed limit signs and stop signs for out in Tooele. And that's what we were doing all day today.   And, you know, like, that that's fun, I guess. You know? It's not like building a a golf course, though. So Yeah.   It's it's different. But  

[01:25:26] Jake Taber:

In a previous life, I worked in land development. Mhmm. And   it I don't know. It was hit or miss. There weren't a lot of actual fun projects. I got to work on the Hale Center Theater, which was pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun. Yeah. But most of them were,   you know, putting in a subdivision.  

[01:25:43] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. No. We do some fun fun ones still. Like, demo jobs are always fun. You know? You get to tear down a house or,   we had one that was a massage parlor, and   they're doing some stuff in there that the owner got arrested for.   And, you know, so so we gotta go in and demo everything. Red sign one star. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  

[01:26:08] Jake Taber:

Worst massage I've ever had. One of those places. Coming back once a week. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you were the bad Reddit review?  

[01:26:16] Dustin Hanson:

So we gotta go in and tear all that out and, you know, vanilla box it for the next client. But,   no. Working outside in the wilderness is fun. So so that's been fun.   Working with Philip has been fun. Scott's been awesome. Scott gives me text messages or calls regularly   asking what he can do to help out or you know? So,   seeing other people's passion towards what I'm doing kinda puts some pressure on me. Yeah. And I'm like, crap. I gotta make it look good. My wife's like, you know, that's that's gotta be a good job. Right? Yeah. Everyone's gonna look at it. No one's gonna go see the stop signs you put up into a room. Right. Right. Everyone's gonna look at this and be like, oh, JDS did this. Right. Exactly.   Philip was on the kiosk. You know, he's got his name and   Elevate Utah on West Jordan logo. And I was like, do I put my my logo up there? Yeah. I think Well, you know, it depends on how it looks at the end. No.  

No. So it is it's got my name on it, and that's important. But mostly, it's Just don't put your phone number on it. Yeah.  

[01:27:19] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. I'll put Scott's. All the plates go to. It's fine. I'll take them. Yeah.  

[01:27:24] Dustin Hanson:

No. It's it's when people are are passionate about something, you wanna do a good job. Nice. And I'm sure there'll be complaints and be like, gosh. You didn't do this. Anything that we didn't do is because we ran out of money.   I'd love to get another 100 or 200,000 and go in and do a lot more. But,   you know, it's just not always in the cards.   Money goes quick and it's projects. It does. When you're dealing with 50 acres, it goes fast.   That's a lot of land. Yeah.   And rock. Wow. Like, I wanna put a lot of rock out there, and rock is so expensive right now. And, there's a lot of rocks out there, but digging them up and stuff but not trying to ruin the space out there has been been challenging too. So,   we came up with some new I alternative ideas.  

We'll still have a lot of rock, I think, but   it'll be   a little bit of a combo,   which I think will actually probably make it look nicer. But,   all of those things,   when you start adding it up,   we're looking at doing   a job up in   Ogden   and, just taking out some grass and putting in rock and stuff. And the bid's at, like, 58,000.   And   one of my guys is like, oh my gosh. We're gonna get rich. I was like, no. We're gonna make, like, $2 on this job. It's all material.   So, you know,   it's it's how it goes. But but I I I do think in the end, it's gonna be a pretty cool  

[01:28:52] Jake Taber:

course. Anyway, I think it'll be something you can at least come back to if it's one of those projects that Yeah. Doesn't  

[01:28:57] Dustin Hanson:

I don't imagine you run back into certain subdivisions. You're like, look at that sign. No. No. That sounds great. But but but So the the idea of you you you putting a little staple in the world where it's like, you know Yeah. We made this happen. You know? No. No. My my boy will make fun of me sometimes. We're driving past properties. I'm like, hey. That's one that I do this for. I painted that building. You know? And he's like, yeah, dad. We don't care. Yeah. This is when he cares. Like, he's he's came down, and we've gone on the four wheelers, and he's helped, you know, stake out and,   tee pads and and and run ribbons and stuff. And,   so he he's happy about this one. I can be like, hey. I did that. And he'll be like, yeah. Good job.  

The other ones, he's like, shut up. We don't care.  

[01:29:40] Nick Jennings:

You put in a stop sign. You know? I've had that same conversation with my dad countless times. He was in the roofing industry. Oh, there you go. And we would go wherever in the valley. He's like, oh, yeah. I sold that roof. I sold that roof. I was like, dad, I couldn't get two shits. Yeah. Right? No. That that's how it is. Many times my wife is, like, at curb and gutter. I did all this stuff. Oh. She's like, that that's stupid. Yep. You're dumb. Good good job. You know? Pity clap.  

[01:30:07] Dustin Hanson:

I do real estate.   I got into it just to, like,   flip houses, and I have never flipped a house, but I've sold a lot of houses.   But it's the same thing. I'm like, I I've been in that house. I I almost sold that. He's like, dad, I don't care. Okay. Let's go to the golf course. You know? Yeah. So so it is it is something that I could be like I can go out and play play with my kid and He'd be like, I know, dad. You built it. But I'm like, yeah. I did. You know?   So so no. You you do have a lot more pride in that in a job like this.   And, my kid won't he'll give me a little more leeway on saying I did that   one.  

So you know?  

[01:30:45] Nick Jennings:

Well Any any final   thoughts or comments before we wrap up?  

[01:30:50] Jake Taber:

Just thank you for all your work, man. Oh, no. Thank you guys. It's been a great opportunity. There's not a lot of shade out there. It's been a pretty hot summer. Yeah.   But, yeah, I'm I'm excited to see the final product, and, you know, I'm sure it'll be great. But, yeah, very exciting. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.  

[01:31:06] Nick Jennings:

Yeah. And thank you for joining us tonight, Jake. We appreciate you coming on and spending   a couple hours out of your Monday night   and way too late, probably, because I know I'm sure you had to get up early to to get out to a project somewhere. But Yeah. We really appreciate you taking the time and kinda shedding some light on the project of the arena.   It's   we're we're all looking forward to it. No pressure. Yeah. No problem.   I'll see you all out there. Sounds good to you. Well, this has been the Elevate Utah podcast,   Elevate Utah disc golf podcast. We had to add that in. Yeah. We don't wanna get sued by some tech bros.  

No. Was it tech or was it religious? No. Well, I think it's religious tech.  

[01:31:45] Jake Taber:

Oh, interesting. The the worst of all. Interesting.  

[01:31:51] Nick Jennings:

Well, this has been the Elevate Utah Disc Golf Podcast.   Thanks for tuning in. We look forward to to talk to you next time. See you out there.