The ElevateUT Disc Golf Podcast

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In this episode of the Elevate Utah Disc Golf Podcast, host Nick Jennings is joined by co-hosts Dustin, Sean, and Scott, along with special guest Rob Bullen. The conversation kicks off with Rob sharing his journey into disc golf, from his early days inspired by his uncle in California to his involvement with Innova and his role as a tournament director and volunteer. Rob's passion for disc golf shines through as he recounts his experiences, including his memorable moments at the 2021 World Championships and his unique announcing style.

The discussion transitions to the development of disc golf courses in Utah, particularly the creation of the Fort and its significance in hosting major events like the World Championships. The hosts and Rob delve into the challenges and triumphs of organizing such events, including the infamous "Holy Shot" by James Conrad. The episode wraps up with a preview of the upcoming US Women's Disc Golf Championship, highlighting the collaborative efforts of Elevate Utah and Team Thunderpuss to make it a success. The hosts express their excitement for the event and encourage listeners to get involved as volunteers.

[00:00:26] Nick Jennings:

Welcome into the Elevate Utah Disc Golf podcast. I am Nick Jennings joined by Dustin.   And Sean. And Scott. And today, we have a very special guest with us. I'd like to introduce Rob Boland. Rob, how are you doing today? I'm doing pretty good. Good. Good. Good. Good. It's good to be good to be with y'all in this capacity. And,  

[00:00:48] Rob Bullen:

yeah, Elevate Utah is where things are happening in Utah right now for disc golf. So excited to be here. It definitely crossed my mind that we should give you a big intro,  

[00:00:57] Dustin Hanson:

you know. Rob Olar. Everybody's I can't do it anymore. Where you are.  

[00:01:02] Rob Bullen:

So I I grew up,   a huge fan   of, wrestling was a was a big thing, and I loved,   you know, the announcing and the the pageantry of wrestling. I had a tinfoil belt,   you know, got on the trampoline, beat the shit out of my buddies, and they beat the shit out of me. And then,   yeah. So I always,   somehow   the twenty seventeen Utah Open, it was like, we don't have anybody to announce, Rob. You've got to announce. So I just harnessed my inner WWE.   And,   yeah, like like, when I watched the Katrina Allen,   trophy presentation from twenty twenty one worlds, I was like, ew.   You crossed the line. That's cringey. That's a little bit too much, dude. That was a little bit too much.  

But, you know,   I've always had fun announcing,   players on the TPAT.   And, yeah, I did it before it was cool and popular.  

[00:02:05] Scott Belchak:

Well, we're we're happy to have you on the podcast. Before we get too too in in the weeds with you about,   the fort and worlds and upcoming US women's,   we we have to catch up a little bit about,   what we've been doing because   that's kinda how we we do it. Sean, what what's been going on with you, buddy?   I've been spending a lot of time out midway at the wonder course.  

[00:02:28] Sean Kelley:

Me and   a a select few group of people have been, we basically been updating,   putting in some new features,   cleaning up some fairways,   adding some new holes,   and, basically just revamping the Wonder at this point. Was that episode one? We already have an episode on the Wonder. We had an episode on the Wonder. I think it was already talked about. Three? Okay. But,   no. We're we're so we're providing some   some,   I wouldn't say, highly needed, but definitely   much appreciated   upgrades   to the course itself.   So I'm happy to see and hear   people's reactions actually when they get out there  

[00:03:05] Scott Belchak:

to see all the new updated features. Which that tournament is coming up pretty soon. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, we have three weeks of all. Three weeks of all. September.   Yeah. You'll definitely be listening to this as sign ups are going.   There's only a handful of people that are signed up and and,   it always fills,   which makes me want to say shame on you if you're listening to this and you haven't signed up yet because you know you're going to and you make my life way easier if you sign up early. Like all these douche bags who don't sign up for tournaments   early, they drive me nuts. It's like, I work my ass off   to get to bring these tournaments. You work your ass off to bring the course up to shape and then you get, like, the dudes who are just like, oh, okay.  

Wonder falls this weekend.   Oh, better sign up for that. You know? And so it's just like, just sign up already. You know you're gonna play. Alright. I'll sign up right now. You know that there's gonna be a chili cook off. We've got a sauna experience and cold plunge going for you. Second place. Is it a lot of the   Thursday night doubles. Unbelievable   raffle. Well,   not this one. Oh, I thought for sure this was, like, the best one. Still better than all the other raffles because there's zero raffles than the other ones. It's true. It's gonna be a good time. And then and then, Ben Ben from another round is coming up on Friday night, and he's gonna light the whole course up for Glow the way that he does. Yeah. And so we're gonna have a good a good just come up in camp, enjoy the weekend. Don't put your camp here. Enjoy shines all of the kids together. Your way. You gotta get you gotta get out to the course. Enjoy enjoy the end of the summer because fall's breaking out over there right now. I just broke mine in, and I I should probably just throw it away after Idaho States. That was terrible. Yeah. Well But I got it ready. We're ready. I'm ready to go. It's it's, So WonderFall twenty twenty five presented by Climo Discs. That's kind of exciting. Yeah. We've got we've got I got to touch over the plastic. It's nice. Yeah. It's pretty good. And and we've got we've got a great new logo that really personifies what the wonder is and the feel of it. And,   I I just hope you all come up because it's gonna be a a really good time. And please come enjoy Sean's We just got we just got some mint tea pads poured. Mhmm.  



[00:05:10] Sean Kelley:

Yeah. I mean Yeah. It's gonna be smells good. No. It it it is. Like, I will I will say I'll give a shout out to for to Jumbo, to Chip, to Bobby, Maddie, Gabby.   Even Isaac today showed up for work.   And people have been people have been busting their ass out there, you know, and just basically, just giving that whole course of manicure.   And like I said, I'll I'll let I'll let the features speak for themselves once they get out there to actually see them. I'll make you guys come down and, take a look at it. You you you've been very you've been very moom on it. Moom? Moom? Well, it's funny because   to work. It's it's been funny. I I haven't really wanted to just because we've been working and we've left the course open, we didn't wanna, like, absolutely close down the course while we were working. So it's been a lot of fun having people come through the course as we're as we're revamping it. And it's just been a it's been a ton of fun getting the feedback from the people because every time,   something new comes up or, you know, we open up a new fairway because the funny thing is some of the new holes actually have not been presented to the players yet. Right. So it will be very interesting to see   where you're starting is not where you usually start Yeah. At the forks. Yeah. You're gonna show up one day. You're gonna show up one day. You're gonna be walking in a new whole one. And you're gonna be playing a whole new whole one. And   for the most part, I'd say, like, the first the first five holes are all gonna be new, and then you'll get back onto the same course. But at the same point, it's just gonna be like I said, it's been a pleasure being up there for the past, like, two months just kinda, like, working up in the mountains. What's what's the weather like there right now? Like, in Utah, out of the valley everywhere, it's, like, 90 degrees roughly. Right? So what's it like there? It's cool mornings, which has been very nice,   But I would say it's like that   like that two to 05:00 hour is just it's the sun's right above you, and it's hot. Kinda beats you down. Yeah. It beats you down. Like, the last like, you know, most people at the end of the day are beat up, but, you know, I would say progress is a is a good morning.  

Morning to lunch, we get a lot done, and then we just kinda, like you know, people people said to us, people tend to get beat down by That's every job I've ever worked, though. Yeah. But it's been,   you know, I'm excite I'm excited for its, like, you know, the new debut for the wonderful.   But, I mean, it it's like I said, there's there's gonna be for the most part, the the course is gonna be fully playable. There's gonna be a a few different details that will come out come out in the spring.   Our signage our new signage and stuff will come out in the spring.   There's we built   three new raised tee pads. Well, I mean, we moved earth. Like,   there's And tons and tons of earth. Like, little tons. Earth. Yeah. Where we we place some tee pads in some certain areas where, like I said, we just we want the we want the winter and the we because we haven't really had a lot of rain or anything out there, but we we just need the earth to compact before we can pour those last three tee pads.  

But,   I mean, like I said, the feedback I've been getting from people coming through, like, they're super excited.   They definitely love all the new little upgrades that we've put onto the course.   And, like I said, I'm just excited. I'm I'm excited to see how, players react to it. And like I said, you know, hopefully hopefully, they come up over over the mountains into the backside to play this, this   wonderful course. Well, and honestly back there. Pun pun, fully intended.  

[00:08:29] Scott Belchak:

Nailed it. Honestly, and who cares if they come up and over the mountain to go play it because that course is not for the people of Salt Lake. That course is for the people of Heber, you know? Oh sure, absolutely. And Park City. And that's their home course. And   that's their spot. So it's like all   the Salt Lake City and   the Wasatch guys and the Nugget guys, please come visit, but you know, like, because that's what they do. They come for wonderment, they come for wonder fall, and then they don't play it anytime in between. But there's, when we put that in, and if you go back to listen to episode three, the reason, one of the main reasons I was excited about installing that   was that it gives it gives, an entire population of people   the chance to play and learn and fall in love with this game, and and which we've seen, you know. And and we we could talk for hours about the the wonder, and we're definitely not here to do that tonight.  

But really quickly before we go into into Rob and,   Worlds and the Fort and US Women's, I do wanna, briefly talk about the arena because that last time we recorded,   we we we were talking about that, and it was under construction. It is now fully open for play. I flipped the switch on UDisc to to make that public over the weekend. I got a text from a friend who said, hey, buddy. There's a new course here. And I was like, yeah. Yeah. Duh. Listen to the podcast. No. Listen. Here's the link to the podcast. Zipped it over to him. I was like, I didn't know you're doing that stuff. You're like, yeah. Kind of a big deal. Yeah.  

[00:09:49] Sean Kelley:

I don't know if you've seen me, my socials or anything, but I'm kind of an important guy. I know. But Many leather bound books. Just to just to piggyback on on what on what you mentioned about it being, like, a a Hebrew midway course. But   a big shout out to those. Like I said, the people who I see, like, you know, coming in after work or early mornings   before work or just, you know, coming through in the afternoon. It's it's it's been a lot of those people, like, all the locals down there that have just been giving us, you know, nothing but praise and gratitude. And they're just super happy to see this course be revamped.   And, like, shout out to you guys. You deserve it. You know? It's a at this point, it's a it's a beautiful course right now.  



[00:10:32] Scott Belchak:

And I hope, like I said, I hope everyone enjoys it. It makes me wanna move move to to Heber. That's for damn sure. As if you need one more reason. I don't want to the zero.  

[00:10:40] Sean Kelley:

Like like everybody in Heber's like, shut up. Don't move here. Besides Swiss days because that was a pain in the ass getting to and from work. I'm sure.  

[00:10:47] Nick Jennings:

I'm sure. It's fun, though. Have you ever lived in the business days? No. I've never been down there, but it was I mean,  

[00:10:54] Sean Kelley:

I I I learned my lesson after, like, the first day of sitting in, like, close to an hour of traffic trying to just get out of   you know, from Wasatch State Park back onto 40 there. But it was I'm like, nope. Go to the pass. So now I just kept using the   the the pass back and forth. But,   yeah. I mean, like I said, I I just I I I I just hope people appreciate the hard work and everyone that's put into it.   And, you know, shout out to the DNR department down there for letting us, you know, run rapid around their campground.   Apologize to all the campers.  

Every Saturday, we're there. We're running saws and everything else, waking them up. But, no. Like I said, I just I just hope every the response that comes from it is, is positive and, you know I've seen some pictures. It looks impressive. Yeah. It's pretty cool, man. We got some cool cool new features that will definitely enhance the course. Yeah. Absolutely. It's gonna it's it's it's  

[00:11:50] Scott Belchak:

from the very beginning it was an experience   and now it's an it's a   it's a curated experience.   So I'm I'm definitely very excited.  

[00:11:59] Dustin Hanson:

I'm in the middle of registering right now. Wonderful 2525  

[00:12:03] Scott Belchak:

presented by Climo Discs. Yeah. Make sure you click that sauna box, buddy, because right now it's just me. If   that seems really creepy. That sounds like a personal invitation. That was an easy wants to go in the sauna with Scott. That was an easy click. What are you talking about? Yeah. Exactly. Right? Yeah. So I'm not I'm I'm not sure why people aren't clicking that. It's like, why why don't you wanna enjoy a sauna and a cold plunge? Well, here's the thing. I could say late September evening. If If you register, I ever get late. An o box or a box.   Yeah. That's every tournament, buddy. No. If you register though through and get the chili cook off entry fee, whatever registration, you save $25. $25 off for everybody who brings a chili because you're gonna spend at least that making the chili and you're feeding all of us. So please take 25  

[00:12:48] Nick Jennings:

off your entry fee. I'm definitely doing that and gonna voluntold my wife to make some fantastic chili. I, I'm gonna bribe people like a certain somebody who won last chili cook off   with, like, instead of little quesadillas, I'm making homemade  

[00:13:01] Dustin Hanson:

rolls. Oh. Like little bite sized rolls to go with homemade chili. Apparently, it's the accessories that that when you use the the The the controls. Yeah. Okay. I I don't know how to say French words, but you nailed it.  

[00:13:14] Nick Jennings:

Anybody else been up to anything new and interesting before we jump in today?  

[00:13:19] Scott Belchak:

Not interesting. I mean, I got lots of stuff to talk about, but Yep. We could probably do do that when we have more time. Because tonight's guest is gonna gonna take a little bit of time. Yeah. So we should probably just hop into it. Yeah. Let's do it.  

[00:13:32] Nick Jennings:

So, Rob,   why don't you tell us a little bit about your background with, with disc golf?  

[00:13:40] Rob Bullen:

Yeah.   Let's see. So I,  

[00:13:43] Dustin Hanson:

Do we need more beer? Just kidding.  

[00:13:47] Rob Bullen:

You just got us started. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. Let's let's let's hold off on that for a second.   I my uncle,   was big into Frisbee sports,   in Southern California.   Not to get too far into the history of our sport, but   back in the late seventies, early eighties, you didn't just play disc golf. You played freestyle. You played   ultimate. You played double disc court. You played Guts, which   is crazy game of disc throwing dodgeball.   So much fun. Yeah. Epic. You watch some of those videos of Simon just   blasting people   in guts. It's it's crazy.  

So my my uncle was this all around disc performer   or athlete in the early eighties in California.   Goes up to   Northern California,   Grass Valley, Nevada City   with a couple of guys, puts in some object courses,   is instrumental   in Northern California disc golf. So he got me into the sport   when I was 10 years old. I think it was when I remember playing my first round of disc golf and I threw in like this 150   foot   shot at Auburn Regional Park, old Mach one baskets, and it it was so cool. I was hooked. Just hooked. I   had a Aviator XD   that I used for a lot of years, and I remember when the Cobra came out and the the Viper and the Skipper.  

The game no. No. They were. They were all, like, game changers.   In 1995,   I think, I was a senior in high school and the cheetah came out. And I was like, woah. This is gonna change Maximum distance.  

[00:15:32] Scott Belchak:

Maximum. Yeah. You It's just right there. In in in pre flight numbers. Right? It was like PFN for those initiated. Yeah. Thank you.  

[00:15:41] Rob Bullen:

It was like ultra, ultra long range driver, long range driver, ultra long range, super max ultra long range driver,   you know? And so   you didn't really know what disc really did much. It's just when a new disc came out, it was it was really it was really great. But,   before I had my driver's license, my parents would probably take me down to Creekside Park   when we moved to Ogden. I live up to up Ogden Way, One disc golf course in the state. A lot of people probably don't know this, but   Creekside   existed in solidarity   for   decades over a decade. Creekside was the   only course to play.  

And so,   I I get taken to the course a couple times a year.   When I could drive 16 through 18, I played a little bit more at Creekside.   Ironically,   I went on a Mormon mission back to Northern California   into the same area where I started playing. So The Lord does move in mysterious ways. Yes. Yes. Yes. Almost as mysterious as, like, random chance.   So I go Sorry. I go to I I go back to to Grass Valley, Nevada City,   Auburn, the first course I ever played. I'm I'm playing, like, weekly.   And so,   it re kindled. I came back in '98, I believe, and   there it was, Creekside, the only course. But   in 1999,   we got Bicentennial   down in Provo. So now now I could travel, like, 70 miles to go play around rather than just 40 miles.  

And then there's there's this oh, shit. It was so shitty.   This object course up on the East bench of   Ogden, and these guys, bless their hearts, would install a basket, and then, like, two weeks later, it gets stolen. Is that Joker's Peak?   No.   I can't remember what it was. Oh, Ogden. Up in Ogden. Ogden. Okay. It was a it yeah. You you one hole hole one, you threw a telephone pole. Hole two was a rock.   And I'm sorry. But, like, once you get used to playing with baskets You don't want to hit the object. Yeah. Object courses aren't real. Yeah. Yeah. It's just not not great.   So,   but was   I know Riverpark's   another discussion for another day.  

But around that time, the late nineties, early two thousands, there's some guys,   in the Ogden area   that were brothers in law, Kent, Gary, and Rod, and they worked at a fabrication shop. And they, with scraps, would build these homemade baskets. And that's how River Park   started is finally by 02/2003,   they had built nine baskets and put in River Park.   And so   So you had another place place to play? I had a I had a place to play real close to home. Mhmm. And what I will always remember about River Park and my oldest child and being,   2003   is when my oldest child was born,   and River Park was put in the ground is my highly pregnant wife would come out to River Park and fetch me every night really angry, like, are you gonna come home tonight? You know?  

And so,   that's my River Park story. I mean, because I mean, at that point, I'd I'd play, like, I'd play daily. And,   yeah, it was great. So I was I was the t of the,   before there was a river park open, there was the river bottoms open,   and our   logo,   was a scantily clad clad gal with her butt cheeks that said river bottoms open. And so   we quickly changed the next year and got it sanctioned to be River Park Open. But the   the one and only River Bottoms Open   in 02/2003,   great event.   Great logo. I'm trying to picture this logo. Was it was it was the o's, the butt cheeks, and the t's were just hanging out in in between? No. I believe river was on one cheek and bottom was on the other. And I believe open spanned both, if I remember that. That's terrible. I didn't That's terrible. An old school an old school nugget by the name of John Flagle  

[00:19:50] Scott Belchak:

designed it. He illustrated it. I'm I'm just waiting for for that nine that late nineties, early two thousands disc golf style to come back, you know? Because everything always comes back in cycles and waves. Mhmm. It's like it feels like We could have a river bottoms two point o,   you know, in the future. Right. That's true. Hopefully. Draper would love that. Draper would be behind it. So Rob, you're Behind. Behind being the operative word. Pun intended. There you go. Nailed it. So Rob, your your relationship with disc golf isn't isn't just,   playing and being recreational.  

It's also you you you actually have a pretty a pretty,   interesting history with   Inova.  

[00:20:30] Rob Bullen:

Yeah. So let me let me just say I I learned in about 02/20   02/2006,   2007 that I probably was never going to be a great open disc golfer. But I love there's just something about the flight of the disc, the sound of the chains,   being involved in disc golf. I realized I was a better volunteer, a better tournament director,   a better   support staff than I'd ever be a player. And I love the sport, so I just kind of focused my efforts   there in that regard. And,   by career,   I am into   plastic   and decorating plastic and   printing   and   really work have worked a lot in   in packaging.  

And I   developed a technology   for packaging   cosmetic tubes   that,   was really awesome, really cool, involved   decorating   the the container inside the mold.   And I,   was one day   looking at this machine doing this and thinking,   okay. This is blow molding. Can we can this happen with injection molding? So I can't I can't go into a lot of details, but I,   I got the opportunity to work within of the special projects team and take   my career   and my hobby   and merge him. And it was like pinching myself, like, is this really happening right now? Am I am I am I ruining my only hobby?  

[00:22:07] Dustin Hanson:

It's like meeting your first porn  

[00:22:11] Scott Belchak:

star.   That one got robbed. I'm sorry.  

[00:22:18] Rob Bullen:

Well, it's it's because it hit close to home. I've actually,   Ron Jeremy actually put his hand on my shoulder one time. He's your favorite porn star? No.  

[00:22:28] Scott Belchak:

No.  

[00:22:31] Dustin Hanson:

He's my favorite porn star.  

[00:22:33] Rob Bullen:

He's the only porn star I've I've ever met.   But, anyways, that's why that one kinda hit close to home because I have PTSD from Ron Jeremy's hand being on my shoulder thinking we're we're all that. God. I hope it. I hope it was his hand.   Yeah. Yeah. I I hope so too.   So so no.   So I I started   I have a good relationship with the Innova. I'm an, an ambassador   for Innova, and I've been able to   go and help put on events, with Inniva. I get to volunteer at the Las Vegas Challenge every year. I get to go and volunteer at the USDGC   every year.  

And,   USDGC   volunteering at USDGC is unlike volunteering at other event any other event because   your volunteers have been there for   years. Many of them since the inception of the event, and everybody has their job.   And the I'm if I'm the spotter on Hole 5,   I'm I've been the hole spotter on Hole 5 for twenty years.   And so it's really,   it's a really good event to go volunteer at. A lot of your volunteers come in from around the country.   It just it's it's a really elite event for a sport. So,   yeah, I really enjoy doing that and then   enjoy,   throwing Innova plastic. I've really   never thrown   much other plastic,   than Innova even in my life. I mean, I grew up throwing  

[00:24:03] Dustin Hanson:

whippets and cobras and sharks and It's interesting you say you were, like, a spotter at USDGC because every once in a while, I'll see coverage and be like, that fucking looks like Rob Bollinger. I know that guy.   But I then in the back of my head, I was like, why would he that doesn't make any sense. It just looks like him. He also made an appearance on USWGGC  

[00:24:23] Scott Belchak:

this year on camera on Jomez. Oh, yeah. He's he was famous again for all the wrong reasons. Yeah. Yeah. I got to read the rule book on live TV.  

[00:24:33] Rob Bullen:

Yeah. So,   so yeah. So I I also   marshal   major events for the PDGA,   one or two events a year.   This year was US women's.   And,   yeah. The player's caddy   asked   me to read, so there was no confusion what a casual   area looked like. So I got to do that. And   I was thinking, okay. It made live, but there's no way in hell this makes Jomez.   And then sure as shit, I'm watching Jomez. Face. And there I am, a partial area that moved.  

[00:25:13] Scott Belchak:

So so let's so let's let's let's, zoom out a little bit because, kind of kind of what we do on this podcast is is chronicle the history of of our venues. And and one of the reasons I wanted to have you on, and, you know, honestly, we have so much to talk about that that   discussing the four,   could probably take an entire episode. But I do wanna talk   about, team Utah Open, and I wanna talk about Mulligans. And I wanna talk about,   the road that led,   the team team Utah Open   to establishing the fort and bringing worlds here?  

[00:25:48] Rob Bullen:

Yeah.   So,   at the time, I was working at the business depot of Ogden, which is on the North end of town   up against this city called Harrisville.   And Harrisville had   recently installed this nine whole course less than five minutes from where I worked. So I'd play this course, and, I met the course designer   who,   had a ton of energy. And his name was Jade Sewell, and he,   I mean, from day one was just like, yeah, I have I have plans of putting in world class courses here.   I have plans of bringing the world championships to Utah.   I have, you know, connections and,   by trade, Jade's an architect and he runs an architectural firm that's done a lot of work for cities and buildings and municipalities.  

And so he had   connections,   a lot ready to go, and he knew the process.   One of the things that I think worked to his advantage   is this he knew   by attending one meeting whether or not the project was gonna be real close to happening or not or whether it would be,   not Just bogged down and not gonna happen. You need some power to Yeah. Red tape.   Mhmm. So so so he had the connections. He had the wherewith to really get it. And   to his credit, he is the hardest worker,   I've ever met in my life.   And,   I'll tell a story   here in a minute when we talk about the fort. But,   so it started it started with these small courses and then   Mulligan's.  

Mulligan's was the first   pay to play,   disc golf on a golf course course that we   had to make it in   that we had make it more than just a temporary   one or two weekend thing. Like, it was Permanent installation.   Yeah. Yeah. Like like, Mulligan's was committed.   That course was crazy,   because   the guy that owned the course also owned some property, the original owner. And so he just one day decided he had a great idea. To get more water rights, He was gonna   build a lake or a pond per fairway of those nine whole little   par three course and just make half the property water. And he did that. And I think it it drove some of the originally drove some of the the golfers away. And   so they were pretty happy to have disc golf, and it was unlike anything   we we had. I don't know if any   any of you,   played   Mulligans back in 2015.  

In 2016.  

[00:28:27] Dustin Hanson:

It was It's it's on a, for those who don't know, it's on a ball golf nine hole, like a par three course. Right. Yeah.  

[00:28:35] Rob Bullen:

And   Jade   built it and designed it   so you could literally play   golf and disc golf at the same time. In fact, Mill Dog   would would play,   golf with, his his wife. She'd she'd play golf, and he played disc golf at the same time.   Because a lot of times,   it doesn't always flow right. This one flowed really. Mulligan's flowed great.   So,   so   we had the first Utah Open   there,   I wanna say in 2015   and invited   Ricky Yulee,   a germ,   Will Shustrick.   So we we had some big names that first year. And And it wasn't an a tier right away. It was a it was It was unsanctioned. It was a x tier. Unsanctioned. Unsanctioned.   100%   unsanctioned.  



[00:29:28] Dustin Hanson:

If you go back and look, I think Macbeth won 14,   which was at Riverpark,   surprisingly. And  

[00:29:35] Rob Bullen:

Well, that was a Riverpark Open. Was it Riverpark Open? Okay.  

[00:29:38] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was Utah open, but I I might be mistaken.   No. I remember him showing up, and I was like, yeah. Maybe I should go watch Inspectate. Nah. I don't that's fine. That'd be alright.  

[00:29:49] Rob Bullen:

Yeah. No. Opportunity. Different tournament. Okay. Okay. Different tournament, different organizing committee.   Like,   so   one of the things that was really awesome that Jade did is we put the touring pros up in condos up at Wolf Creek. Oh. And,   so it became like this experience. They go down through the canyon, and there's a waterfall in Ogden Canyon. Mhmm. And then they'd go over to Mulligan's and   and play and have this experience. So we were unsanctioned in 2015,   unsanctioned in 2016,   and then,   we started,   in 2016 meeting with Steve Dodge,   who was hatching the Pro Tour in 2016.  

And Utah was,   part of his plan of expansion in 2017.   And so   we were part of the,   Pro Tour in 2017.   And it's funny you mentioned sanctioning because here we'd ran one of these   highest paying unsanctioned events in the country that all the pros were raving about in 2015, 2016.   And   the the PDGA says, oh, great. You're part of the pro tour. It's your first year running a tournament. You're a b tier. Congratulations.   You know, your your pro your your payout was like twenty   twenty b tiers combined last year, but we're going to have you be a b tier. So the first year the Utah Open was a b tier.   But it was on the Pro Tour. It was televised. And   who who remembers what happened in 2017?  



[00:31:25] Nick Jennings:

Ricky. Ricky. Yep. Ricky. Ace. Ricky Ace. Walk Off Ace. Yep. Really? I did not know that. Yeah. Really?  

[00:31:32] Dustin Hanson:

'18   at Mulligan's.   Yep. Was it a harp?  

[00:31:36] Rob Bullen:

Yes. It was. Just a short little forehand harp. It was a forehand harp. Yeah. And just  

[00:31:42] Dustin Hanson:

I believe I believe going into the hole, Josh Anthon was within a stroke. Mhmm. And Jerm was on the card. And Jerm was on the card, of course. But I don't think he was close anymore.  

[00:31:52] Rob Bullen:

No. But Anthon Anthon could have been within striking distance. Enrique just threw it in. Threw it in and wrapped her legs, went full force up to the island.  

[00:32:02] Sean Kelley:

Side note. Had to run around the water.   Long raptor legs run.  

[00:32:06] Dustin Hanson:

I know. I have a walk off ace myself. Oh. Kinda cool. I would tell you what I'm doing with my son. I know, but I'm important though. I don't want you to forget how long it is. He's on a podcast. What's that?   I drive a Dodge truck. Was it like Clinton Park? No. It was at Walk Off Face. It was at Roots. Oh, Roots. Okay. Hole 7. So, you know, we had a shotgun start. So the last hole, I I already had the one stroke lead. Maybe it was two. But I definitely skipped it in there and I got tackled by my buddy Cody   and, I thought he was gonna break my collarbone because he outweighs me by at least 50 pounds. So Ricky Yeah. It was cool. Ricky has raptor legs. What was your signature? What was your signature celebration? I'm gonna lay down. I'm gonna lay all the way there. You were close. I'm gonna lay down and be tired because I'm I I was at the time playing MA 40 and that one was MA two.  



[00:32:54] Scott Belchak:

So Yeah. And and we all know around at Roots is is vigorous. Yes.  

[00:32:58] Dustin Hanson:

Yeah. Especially when you're pulling up a bunch of MA two guys that are like 20 years old and they throw 50 feet further than you every time. So so so,  

[00:33:05] Scott Belchak:

team Utah team Utah Open was an organizing committee that that that established   team   established the Utah Open Mhmm. At Mulligan's   for,   three or four years   before before   before before Jade Jade realized that if if he was gonna fulfill his grand plan of having worlds here, he needed  

[00:33:26] Rob Bullen:

an open course and a wooded course. Right. The second the second course. And so   probably I wanna say late twenty seventeen   is when the original   process of working with Weber County on the   on the fort took place. There was a meeting with Weber County,   in in late twenty seventeen.   I had the privilege of being there for that that meeting. And one thing that was really great about Jade is is the county was gonna   trying to steer us, it felt like, towards the old garbage dump property, which I think they call OP,  

[00:34:06] Dustin Hanson:

observation park. Observation park. Yeah. Yeah. Which now they have a course, a general course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And  

[00:34:12] Rob Bullen:

and and so that that's its own course now. But in that original meeting at we actually met. They had us meet there first, and we were pointing down,   from the old garbage dump down into the Fort Buena Ventura, which was all fenced down, off at the time. Oh. And for those that don't know what Fort Buena Ventura was famous for for the previous ten years. Before it was   a disc golf. It was it was the it was the   illicit activity hookup spot.   Primarily   for men. Yes.  

[00:34:44] Dustin Hanson:

And so Well, what's the Miles Goodyear Park? Right? Correct. And so there's a parking spot there and,   we can always cut this Right. If we have to. But there's   a parking spot at Miles Goodyear, if you park your car in backwards,   then that is the sign that you are there for,   meeting with another  

[00:35:05] Scott Belchak:

gentleman. Spoken like a true Interesting detail, Dustin. Spoken like a true Yeah. Yes. And you're like, oh, wait. There's disc golf here too? Yeah.  

[00:35:13] Dustin Hanson:

I have I have discs and other  

[00:35:17] Scott Belchak:

things. You might have just increased the popularity of that parking spot by by by putting the secret out. It's been since then, it's been heavily since we became known, it's been heavily  

[00:35:27] Dustin Hanson:

policed, I would guess. I don't know. I heard that it's no longer the the main hookup spot of,  

[00:35:32] Scott Belchak:

West Ogden. Well, disc golf has done such a It it driving as many people as we've drove into there. Yeah. It's like a a light Yeah. To to dark places. You know what? I think I think in order to get more disc golf course as places, we just need to get more illicit activity. Hook up spots?   At the At at spots we want. Alright. As spots we want, disc golf courses. We just need to organize   large hook ups.   This is not the first time that we that we have heard of,   you know  

[00:36:02] Nick Jennings:

I don't know if this is the right word that I'm going for, but riffraff using a particular property, and then disc golf drives them away. Yeah. Like, we just need to put, like, together a case study or something Or then go create or Craigslist ad. Yeah. Craigslist ad. Yeah. Yeah. Create the problem. Why do you do it yourself?  

[00:36:19] Sean Kelley:

Yeah. Dustin, we're gonna need a place a list of places you hang up, and we're gonna go put courses.  

[00:36:26] Rob Bullen:

So true true story. When we designed Miles   Goodyear Park Course,   there was   somebody in the woods that was just bouncing from tree to tree as we were trying to lay out our fairway in the hole. So finally, we just stopped and we're like,   come here. What are you doing? And he said, I just want somebody to play peekaboo with. And I was like, oh, man.  

[00:36:49] Scott Belchak:

Okay. Alright. Fine. I'll show you your y'all should be mine if you show me yours. This is my chance to get this over with. It's only gonna take a minute.  

[00:36:58] Rob Bullen:

So, you know, that that was one of the big that was one of the big driving forces,   to get into the fort. But Oh, yeah. We're talking about we made it very clear that we want the fort to hold   world championships in Utah.   And   we focused   most of us when we design a course, we start on Hole one.   In Jade's wisdom, he started wanted to start on Hole 18   and visualize this finish.   And so we designed those first three holes, sixteen, seventeen, and 18,   and then kinda connected the dots and the   the woods through there.   And   he always had the vision of Hole 18. He he he saw he he, like, literally saw the shot   five years   four years before it happened. Like, he talked about, okay, if we we have a playoff, we want the playoff to be sixteen, seventeen, and 18.  

And, you know, we we had that planned, like, from day one. Like, these are gonna be the playoff holes, and this is where the gallery is gonna be, and this is where the excitement's gonna have. And actually, little little known little known fact,   I tried to kill   Hole 18 as a par four. I don't know if this has   gone public. I think Terry Miller's mentioned it once before on his podcast.   They we can only have 2,000   spectator passes once they started opening COVID back up.   And,   the county was pushing us to get some more people the in in there. And   I said, Jade, what if we just   bring eighteen's basket up by the fort or by the road,   almost honestly,   where Conrad threw a shot from Yeah. Was where I wanted   put the basket up there, make it a hard par three, put bleachers all around it,   cram 500,   seven fifty more people in there, and then gives us more area to walk behind,   more vendor area.  



[00:38:54] Dustin Hanson:

Thank God he said no. Yeah. They almost ruined, like, the most memorable thing about our sport. Two. Two. The women's was great. I would've killed that one too. I I remember sitting at at Worlds with Katrina winning and throwing, like, a huge Annie around the tree and everything and it like, how it landed and stayed in bounds. We were sitting right there watching it. Right. And I I looked at my wife and I told her like, that's the most amazing thing I've ever seen. She, one, we're never gonna see anything more incredible than that. And it was just a few short hours of work. Uh-huh.  

[00:39:24] Rob Bullen:

James Conrad showed me that. And we'll get to that. Well, I wanna talk about that in a minute. But,   let's talk about let's talk about the fort a little bit. I wish   you all could have seen that place before.   Hole one was complete.   Oh, I I played it. And weeds. It was a jungle. It was it was not playable. It was not playable. Yeah. And so the county to work on it, the county got us a a brush hog, a brush cutter, and we named it the beast.   And I   back to Jade being the hardest working son of a bitch I've ever met in my life.   I looked at his hands one day, and I'm like, dude, you've worn the skin off of your hands   from under his gloves. Dang. He was just on that brush hog for, like, eight, nine, ten hours straight, just   and it was it was kind of, therapeutic.  

I don't know if you've ever ran one of those things before, but when you can just run over just about anything,  

[00:40:20] Sean Kelley:

oh, this feels so good. He's probably done it. Yeah. He at the Wonder recently. We had a brush hog for about three days out there. Oh, and you mean you can run that thing over anything.   Oh. But just choose it. Sage. Anything that just turns it into mulch. Yeah. It's   wild. Yeah. But I never They get away from you too because   the the wheels themselves, like, there's a you know, you you can you can basically, the wheels engage as you, like, stop moving those things. And pretty much, you're just trying to hold on to the thing as it just, like, mows through anything. Right. Yeah. Right. And that while  

[00:40:52] Rob Bullen:

yeah. And so   yeah. I mean, that course that course   took so much work in such a short in such a short period of time to get it ready for the worlds. And then, of course,   we have the whole pandemic. Right? Yeah. Now one thing, I wanna talk a little bit about and sorry. This feels like really one-sided. Maybe I should You're you're the guest. This is the way it's supposed to be. Okay. Alright. I'll insert jokes when ready. Okay.   So   the sport in 2018   was a hell of a lot different than it was in 2021.   Sure. Sure. And that's when we got the bid. And we got the bid the 2018.   Started working on the bid in early twenty eighteen before it went in in in   2017,   2018.  

We got to bid at the 2018.  

[00:41:39] Scott Belchak:

We just switched it. Which I remember because because when that was announced, I was in Minnesota. And, like, the second that it was announced, I told all my friends in Minnesota, we're traveling to Utah   in in 2020,   and we're gonna be there. And lo and behold, I was living here by that time. Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. No. No. No. That's good. I mean, it was just like it,  

[00:41:59] Rob Bullen:

and the thing the thing with it was is so   we have the the to open on the Pro Tour in 2017   and in 2018. We decided in 2019   to step back from the Pro Tour and focus our efforts in getting ready for worlds, but have the Utah Open as an a tier and play it at both the Fort   And Mulligans.   And,   just like nature likes to do sometimes,   that year was a crazy snow snowpack year. Yeah. And,   the week before the Utah open,   the whole four ways Of 54 And 54 And 5 were flooded. Yeah. Four turned into a river, so we had to divert,  

[00:42:39] Dustin Hanson:

make some extra holes. And like the the two best holes on the course. Hardest anyway, I think. And and we didn't get to play them. Yeah. Yeah.  

[00:42:47] Rob Bullen:

Yeah. So that 2019,  

[00:42:50] Scott Belchak:

That was that was a Matt Bell victory. Right? That was Yeah. That was a Matt Bell. He bought He bought ball as well. Beat out beat out Ricky. Yeah.  

[00:42:57] Rob Bullen:

And,   Grip6 wrestling belts. I got to fulfill kind of my childhood of WWE   passion,   and Grip6 made us these really cool It was pretty cool. Big belts. Yeah. So that was really That's the only time I've been on Jomez,  

[00:43:14] Dustin Hanson:

but I was a spectator. Like, it was me and my bad ass and my wife. Okay. Yeah. That was kinda cool.  

[00:43:19] Rob Bullen:

Okay. Yeah. And,   so I'm trying to remember. Did did Joe Jomez did film that, didn't they? Yeah.  

[00:43:27] Dustin Hanson:

Okay.  

[00:43:28] Scott Belchak:

And and it was great because malt ball was just dropping putts. He was making everything.   He was electric.  

[00:43:35] Dustin Hanson:

Eight out of nine on the back nine or something. Electric. Yeah. He went crazy.  

[00:43:39] Scott Belchak:

He's he's got a great stomach, by the way. And that's when,  

[00:43:42] Dustin Hanson:

like abs Like, washboard abs. Yeah. Yeah. No. I agree. So for sure. Not many of those guys are built like us.  

[00:43:48] Scott Belchak:

Like like, man. I think I think malt ball's,   like, sneakily one of the most attractive dudes on tour.   I'll just and I'll die on that sword. That's  

[00:43:58] Dustin Hanson:

fine. I'll go with you on that one. I don't know. There's not necessarily how you wanted to phrase that.  

[00:44:05] Scott Belchak:

Yeah.   Carry on. What's next?  

[00:44:08] Rob Bullen:

Considering   with some of Scott's social media posts about, how he likes to erect things. Yeah. His massive erection. Oh, it's the sword.  

[00:44:18] Dustin Hanson:

It's  

[00:44:19] Rob Bullen:

a great thing.  

[00:44:21] Scott Belchak:

It's called marketing, you guys.   Sex sells. Like, let's just be honest here. Like, it's just a telephone pole. I don't know what you guys are talking about.   Jeez. Hand painted by another dude. Alright. I'm addicted.  

[00:44:39] Rob Bullen:

Once a week. Okay. Well, moving,   moving forward,   yeah. So   so the twenty nineteen Utah Open, a tier,   we got to play the courses, flooded courses.   Unfortunately,   the courses weren't able to be in kinda of the condition that we wanted to showcase leading into worlds. Right?   And then   all the focus   all of a sudden turned on the pandemic. Right? And little little did we know that while I was stressing every day,   that   we weren't gonna get to have a world championships or what that would look like or how can you have a world championships if people can't travel or have to wear masks or have to social like, we can't have spectators. How the hell is this gonna even work and happen?   I I personally didn't know that the sport was blowing up in the capacity it was. I think the one indication I had   is that, disc production   was having a hard time keeping up. It It was the only indication. Did you all I don't know. We all kind of are in different   spots in our disc golf lives during the pandemic, but I don't know what were what were some of you guys' thoughts during the pandemic? Well, Macbeth made his big change  

[00:45:51] Dustin Hanson:

at, what, twenty eighteen when he went to Discraft.   And that that feels like that was the turning point when he started selling even more discs.  

[00:46:01] Scott Belchak:

Yeah. But there was definitely a spike during COVID. Oh, for sure. I'm not saying that that  

[00:46:05] Dustin Hanson:

but also, that's it felt like it's  

[00:46:08] Rob Bullen:

it started to turn with Macbeth at that point. Well, I feel like there was an announcement in '20 was it And then Was it the $10,000,000  

[00:46:16] Scott Belchak:

contract in 2021?  

[00:46:18] Dustin Hanson:

It was a   BC. It was a $4,000,000 contract, like a four year 4,000,000   and then they restructured after one year, I thought. And it was a 10,000,000 and I don't remember how many years or whatever. But then also Brodie Smith came around   and he kind of introduced the sport to a lot lot  

[00:46:35] Scott Belchak:

of new people. He has a huge following. Yeah. I think Regardless of what you think of him. I I think the way that I noticed it was because because I was here I had moved here   during 2020,   and   and maybe I just I just attributed this to Utah, but I was just like, oh, I'm all of a sudden in a place where if I wanna get into a beach here, I need to, like, have a timer set so that I can register within the first minute of it being open. Otherwise, I'm gonna be wait listed and not get in. You know? And and I just I just chalked that up to Utah   being just starved   for good tournaments that everyone had to sign up for the good ones. Alright.  

By the way, if you listen to this, sign up for Wonder WonderFall.  

[00:47:14] Rob Bullen:

Ding ding ding. Presented by Climate Discs. Sign up early because I think everybody, like, was like, you know what? I had to sign up on the very first day of opening for two or three years.   Screw off. Yeah. I'm doing it right at the end. I'm gonna do it at the very end. Reverse. You had my money early for many years. I'm now going to take this take take the power back. Yeah. They've got timers set for one minute before registration closes  

[00:47:38] Scott Belchak:

so that they can be like, oh, it's time to register. It's all about Better let Scott know I'm coming so that so that he can prepare for me   two days early.  

[00:47:46] Rob Bullen:

Every player   so you get one year. This is Rob Bullen's if if Rob Bullen was his executive director of the PDGA.   You get one year to learn the sport, to kind of play tournaments and   have fun. And then your next year, in order to register to play tournaments,   you have to be the assistant tournament director   for another man. We won't throw you straight to the wolves,   but you you have to see what it's like to deal with the last minute changes.   Hey, you know,   dude, is there any way we can change my tea time because my girlfriend has Pilates?  

[00:48:20] Dustin Hanson:

You know, all those phone calls that a TD has to do with my friend's playing. Can I get on his car? Yeah. God, I wish I had a girlfriend who did Pilates.   Like  

[00:48:29] Rob Bullen:

like, there's so much shit. So many phone calls that a TD takes that, like, 75%   of them   aren't, like, needed. Like, some of them are, but,   like like so everybody should have to deal with that, like,   stuff   as an assistant TD. And then you have a different   you have a different outlook   going forward. You think, okay, I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be that guy. I'm not gonna email the TD, you know, the night before   asking him the line question. Because   I'm sure, Scott, how many how many how many questions do you get  

[00:49:04] Scott Belchak:

night before a tournament? Not too many. I'm really good at communicating.  

[00:49:09] Rob Bullen:

And he has Scott's a good team. I'm blowing up. Scott's a very good team. And steering people to the frequently asked question page. Yeah. Yeah. Good at communicating.  

[00:49:18] Scott Belchak:

Like, I already thought of your question. It's in the FAQ. Go read the fucking  

[00:49:27] Rob Bullen:

So worlds. Yeah. Worlds.   Okay. Worlds. Pivot.   Okay. So so it's funny you bring up Brody. I gotta tell some a story I haven't told. Brody, I was   at the fort, I wanna say   Sunday   night before worlds.   Real late. Maybe it was Monday. Sunday or Monday with Brody. He locked his keys in his car,   and we were trying to get into his car for a long time. Kinda jacked up the rental car. So what's interesting though is   then during the event,   Paul Macbeth   also locked his keys in the car at Mulligan's when the round was at the fort.   So he he'd go to Mulligan's   to warm up on the driving range that Brody helped rent. Mhmm.  

And so,   yeah. So so so those are your two   your two pros that locked their keys in their car during Worlds. So 2018,  

[00:50:23] Dustin Hanson:

I think, maybe 2017, Big Jerm did the same thing coming to Utah Open, which they talk about on the Jomez podcast. Where he locked his car keys in his no, out, locked his keys out of his car, which I didn't know you could do. But this was in the time when you had the push button starters, right? And all you need to do is have the keys   close to your car while you put them on top of his car as he went to start his car and then drove off with the keys still on top of his car. So then that's from Boise,   five hours away. He makes it all the way to the Utah Open before he realizes, like, like, I need to fill up with gas. My keys are in Boise. And now my I I never found my keys again. That's and this is him telling the story, I think, on the Jomez podcast.  



[00:51:02] Rob Bullen:

So hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I guess I guess   I guess if your if your fob   Yeah.  

[00:51:10] Dustin Hanson:

Your car's gonna stay running. It doesn't reach, like, a point where it's like It'll just keep going. Yeah. It doesn't realize, like, the keys aren't Oh, we got it. Got it started. Okay. We're good to go. So mine works the same way. I never heard that.  

[00:51:20] Nick Jennings:

If your key is not in your car, like mine has   a fob and a push start. Mhmm. If your if your key is outside of the car, it'll beep at you and say key not detected. Right. Sure. Yeah. Okay. So I'm curious what kind of car you had. Maybe we'll have to go back and listen to that,  

[00:51:34] Dustin Hanson:

whatever Joe Mez podcast it was. So in 2020, Joe Mez had   a basically a podcast,   but it was I don't know what to call it. I don't remember what it was called. Well, we can't talk about podcasts on a podcast. That's too much podcast inception. Yeah. That's true.  

[00:51:48] Rob Bullen:

Okay.   So so   so we get the bid for worlds. It gets pushed back 2021.   We all we all gather. It's,   it's a week.   Little known fact that,   people don't know is my dad was, battling cancer at the time,   and, going through treatment at the time was extremely sick   during that time. So I had I had a lot going on. I had a lot on my plate. It was hard.   But,   we ran, and I still think it was a good idea. I'll I'll I'll die on the sword, Scott. I think running the Utah Open   preparation event for worlds before   the world championship was   a was a good tune up. I think it was,   it was a lot of work.  

Maybe we could have spaced it a little bit   different. But,   so we ran an a tier   the week before we ran the world championships on the same courses. Mhmm. Mhmm. And that was before,   that was before,   the resistance open   jumped on the schedule.   I believe it was the Beaver State Fling that year   canceled,   and there was a hole.   And so,   some players and I I believe the PDGA   contacted us and said, hey. There's a hole on the schedule.   Let's and okay. Let's do a warm up eight here. And we did a warm up event. I remember that. It was, like, super weird. But,  

[00:53:19] Dustin Hanson:

what's his name? Emerson came out.  

[00:53:21] Sean Kelley:

Emerson. Emerson Keith came out and  

[00:53:23] Rob Bullen:

dominated that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so that was, that was that was the story there.   You know, there was   there was some   you know, y'all can go back and watch the holy shot about all the controversies, but, you know, Brody goes in and rents driving range. The pros don't feel like half the driving range   was was adequate for warm up. We did secure the schools   next to, I believe, a hole 17,   the high school, the private school there. We had their fields for warm up. That was the intended area was over there.   I   in all honesty,   I didn't think that renting the driving range was   was an option in our meetings.  

That's how Mulligan's   made money   was the driving range. Right? That was their source of income. They weren't making it off of the golf rounds. They weren't making it off of disc golf rounds.   It was the kiddie amusement park, and it was   it was the lighted two story   driving range. I mean And their and their water water rights. And their water rights. And the   massive amounts of water.   And so,   yeah. So what's what's interesting too, and I'm just gonna shout this out right here. And, you know, Matthew Rothstein, I'm I'm sorry you   you put together a great documentary with Josh Deacon, but,   like, so many of my comments talking about   the controversy   of the driving range were spliced into the other controversy,   which was painting the lines.  

That, like, so much of what I said, it was taken so wildly   manipulated to tell the story in a different way. And Like it was a a terrible experience.  

[00:55:12] Sean Kelley:

Yeah. Yeah. Well Like a a bit out of context. Yeah. Yeah. Well well, okay. So Well, the lines was a consistency thing, wasn't it? Yeah. So let's The one round, there was no lines. And then the second round, it was there was lines. Okay. So  

[00:55:27] Rob Bullen:

so I it's it's the second day of competition. So we have the first day of competition,   the a pool is at Mulligans.   The second day of competition, a pool as is at the the fort.   So   I I stayed with the April.   K?   So I'm at the fort the morning of the second day, and   somebody with the PDGA   comes up and says, hey, we're tossing around the idea of going and painting   all the lines at Mulligans.   And I said, please don't. Please please please please.   Competition started. We already had one round. Obviously,   the bee pool has to play over there today. Please please don't paint the lines.   And then,   the water   our water guy over filling the jugs   calls me later in the day and said, hey.  

One of the PDGA guys,   called and asked where I,   where he could or talked to me and asked all the places we could buy he could buy white spray paint.   So   I I tried reaching out.   Anyways,   long story, I live, like, two miles from Mulligan's. I live really close to Mulligan's. So I drive by about dusk.   Great. They decided not to. There's no lines   because nobody in their right mind   would spray fucking lines on a golf course   in the dark. Yeah.   Day three.   The sun's coming up over the mountain. I pull into the Mulligan's parking lot. I get on my golf cart,   and there they are.  

Wacky,   not great,   straight white lines. Yeah.   But   what I don't realize in my morning round   is that the casual area on  

[00:57:16] Scott Belchak:

Hole  

[00:57:18] Rob Bullen:

14, I believe,   that was the irrigation water to get   the water from the golf course to the guy's land   is casual.   The little creek. It's not it's not OB, but it was sprayed with white lines. I didn't realize it. So we talked to the groups and said, hey. There's been lines. And that's what a weird conversation. Right?   Hi, guys. There's line made in Welcome to the world championships.   There's,   been some changes to the course. Yeah. My courses have changed. Whole bunch of spray   paint on the on the course.   Yeah.   Okay.  

Ironically,   the staffer that did that   got on a plane and went home. He wasn't even there for the finish of the event. Oh, no. K.   So,   I don't realize   that the lines have been painted on 14 until there's a couple of groups that have gone through. And somebody's like, Rob, that casual   creek has been painted white.   14 misplays.   Ricky misplayed it. Oh my god. Gannon misplayed it. Cole Redelyn misplayed it. Like, there was, like, a ton. And and Gannon and Cole are, like, teenage kids at the time. Right? And so I I remember their moms, Michelle and Karen being, like, like, oh my gosh. Like, what's gonna happen? What's gonna happen? Like, you know, like, they were painted.   We we ruled on the side of the players and all that. And and the thing was is I was the one dealing with we were the ones as the local staff, like, dealing with, like, these 1,480,000.  



[00:58:56] Dustin Hanson:

Who messed up. Well, there's a misplay. Who else did they talk to, though? That's the the other thing. Like I love the Eagles. Someone has to be blamed, but then, like, go I could see against the lines too that that year.  

[00:59:06] Rob Bullen:

I mean, there was a Where where where he would have been safe Yeah. Had the line not been there? Yeah. Yeah. It was Yeah. Yeah. I mean   and so   here here's here's here's the thing with with all of that.   What what was portrayed?   Yeah. It it was an issue. Yeah. That was not a great look.   Yeah. Like, I I could not believe it. I could not and and and and be transparent.   Say, hey. We're gonna do this   whether you like it or not. And then I would say, okay. Do it in the light. Yeah. Yeah.   Yeah. You gotta make sure the sun's out, please. Like, okay. Let's   but,   yeah. So that was   that was,   that was hard. But,   you know, at the end of those   two days and the end of that, the the bottom line was is there was a world championship   gonna be crowned, world champions being crowned,   regardless of all this stuff going on in the periphery. And we needed to execute, and we needed to execute   a great event, and we needed to,   you know, push through. And,   you know, I   it's it's it's hard to say.  

I I see   there's a lot of,   there's a lot of reasons.   The the Mulligan's   head ground keeper was an old retired guy.   And one of our early events, we had put string out on the course, and it got chewed up in some mowers and some things.   And so that's why he did not want string at all.   And then we've all seen   how spray paint does for   week long events,   and then you have to touch up over the top of it. Right? And   so I I get it. I hear I hear it. There was there was situations   involved that   that made it feel like that that was the right decision at the time. And,   one thing I really liked about us as a tournament staff is   we we stuck to   we stuck to the guns. Like, okay, we're not gonna alter the course.  

Let's go. And,   you know, we just have to deal with it. I don't I don't yeah. So any other any other questions on the fun stuff? I mean,  

[01:01:26] Scott Belchak:

I just like to say thanks thank God for for James Conrad, like,   saving all of your asses with that amazing shot because,   like,   you know, it seems like, like, with outside looking in, going into that round, hit that final round,   it definitely felt   like, definitely felt   like like there was   there was a lot of stuff going on that didn't feel great,  

[01:01:51] Rob Bullen:

you know? Yeah. But I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree to an to an extent. If if James if if James doesn't throw that in and Katrina doesn't make a miraculous comeback and Paige and Paul   were our champions,   I still,   at the end of the day, think it was it was a great event, and   it it   you you had to see   you had to see all the different things going on to understand   really what was going on.   At the time,   understand   that the national tour was still around by the PDGA. The the   the pro tour had not absolved all the PDGA national tour events. So there was this power struggle between the PDGA national tour and the disc golf pro tour. K?   There was this element of the pros all of a sudden have gone from,   you know, hey. We are real athletes in a real sport   that now has million dollar contracts, and   we're gonna command a different level of professionalism   than existed when you, the local organizing committee, got the event in 2018.  

Right? So   all these things were going together, and I   I I felt like I felt like it the the   regardless of that, if you go back and you watch that final round, especially MPO final  

[01:03:19] Scott Belchak:

round, it's exciting. Oh, yeah. I don't think there's electric. I don't think there's more birdies the back time. It was electric. It's wild. It's such a hard one. 60 footers. Yes.   Conrad goes nuts. And and and Kevin Jones too. Yeah. Yeah. Kevin Jones. Like, KJ was there, just jump putting.   Jump put Jones? It was awesome. Fantastic  

[01:03:37] Rob Bullen:

round. Whole like thirteen, fourteen, 15 when they all just started making these Everything.   Circle two. Yes. And you know,  

[01:03:45] Dustin Hanson:

Jones is fist bumping and Conrad's, you know. 15. Going crazy. And then there's the Like, every time I'm on 15, that's why they're like, I'm right here right where you made that punt. Boom. Well, and and Nick Sexton was on the card too. Right? Yeah. No. He was on second card. He was on lead the previous day. So Who was the guy on the on the game? It was Calvin. It was Calvin. Oh, yeah. He just shit the bed. Yeah. He did. Well, the best part though was his reaction.  

[01:04:09] Rob Bullen:

Like,   Calvin's reaction to the shot Everything.   Is is is epic. Yeah. Because he's just like his Calvin   emotionless Calvin's mind   hit the ground.   And I I loved it when, John Boy Media did the open mouth Yeah. Festival That was so good. Commentary because it was. It was just like,  

[01:04:30] Scott Belchak:

Open mouth. Open mouth. Open mouth. Open mouth.  

[01:04:33] Dustin Hanson:

Mouth. Yeah. It definitely hit mainstream at that point.  

[01:04:36] Rob Bullen:

And and, you know, I'm I'm I'm sorry. Some some people he was a hot button topic,   at worlds and going into worlds. But Zach Ralphs,   god bless you   for wearing those American shorts,  

[01:04:50] Dustin Hanson:

not wearing a shirt. I just saw him the other day at at Creekside. And I was with my buddy from Alaska. And I was like, that's Zach Ralphs. That's the dude that was running around in the worlds. He did the whole thing. And then he's like, oh, that's a celebrity. Should we get a picture with him? I was like, I don't know if he's sober. He's doing pretty good. Right? Yeah. I've heard he's I've heard he's doing great right now. That's that's awesome. That makes my heart, like, so happy. I've run into him a few times at Creekside, and both times he's doing great. Should we get him spotting up at at US women's with his flag shorts? We we we possibly could. Maybe maybe a photo op off of the lift. He come off the lift, and there he is. Tomorrow. Right there.  

[01:05:25] Rob Bullen:

But, no. What's funny about that story is is I was okay with lap lap   one, but lap two and I had I okay.   Let's go back to the shop.   So   I after Conrad hits the   tree off the tee and lays up, we start going to present the trophy to Macbeth mode. That's it. So I'm with Jo Shargaloff of the PDGA,   Jeff Spring, I believe Jamie Thomas with her Jeff Spring of the pro of the DGPG,   Jamie Thomas of the Disc Golf Network, and myself, we're all kinda planning,   okay, Rob's gonna do the WWF thing and then hand the trophy and then, you know, going through the song and dance. And we're just sitting right there and all of a sudden, that first, get in the hole,   you hear that lady say, get in the hole.  

And it was like,   and we're right past that high of 18.   And it was just like looking up and then just like,   oh, it has a chance. And then it just goes crazy. And you go into,   like, crowd control mode. What the fuck do you do? So Yeah. So I'm looking, okay, we got a disc here, we got a disc there, we got a disc there, we gotta make sure nobody touches the it was gonna be playing keep away from the discs. Right?   Mhmm. So I'm like, okay. Where you know. And then I see Zach do lap one. And I'm like, okay. Okay. This is cool. Like like, this is cool. This is exciting. You know, we have the we have the one local guy, and I I can't remember his name. He gets snubbed by Conrad on the high five. Right? Yes. He's in there. That's that's one of my favorite. There's so many good moments in that one. Fantastic. It's great. It's perfect for John Boy. Yeah. Yeah. And then,   okay. So Zach goes to make   round lap two. And I'm like, not today. Mhmm. We're gonna go. So,   you know, with live mic, I'm yelling some words that my mom probably would not be proud of and point at him, get off the fairway, you know. And there's a there's somebody caught it on their phone, like,   from me to   for across the table, like, within 15 feet, like,  

[01:07:23] Scott Belchak:

recording that interaction. If you have that recording, please email it to [email protected].   Yes, please.  

[01:07:30] Rob Bullen:

Yeah. It it's I I can send it to you.   So,   so, yeah, the the the shot happened.   And,   yeah, they're they're really   you know, and when you talk about the success of the event,   one the thing that stands out to me that's really special is that my dad was able to be there with me.   And, literally, that was the first time he'd, like, left his house in six weeks, and I could I knew that he was really sick because   there's no way in hell he would have missed that moment. Like, he was at all the Utah opens. He was at all the River Park opens. He was at every event   I ever hosted. So   day one, he's not there. Day two, he's not there. Day three, so I'm like, hey, mom. He's really sick. She's like, yeah. So I'm like, alright. We're gonna get him in the shade.  

He's gotta be there for last, you know, last day. So,   yeah, it was really great.   It was it it it it it was it was good. And then, you know, the one thing the women's finish was great too. Like I said, I do have,   I do have, like, that cringey thing when I when I hear my voice, for Katrina Allen. That was, like,   yeah, that was way too WWE,   like, by, like, two notches. That dial needed to be dialed back a little bit.  

[01:08:43] Scott Belchak:

But I mean, it's hard to dial your WWE   your e dial down. You know? It's like like there's either it's just like 11,   like the spinal tap. Right? Yeah.  

[01:08:52] Dustin Hanson:

So it's the same reason I don't listen to our podcast. They're like, oh. If you do I don't wanna hear that guy. If you do a seven, it doesn't work. If you do a nine, it doesn't work. It's gotta be eleven. I I think it was Albert Tom that said  

[01:09:04] Rob Bullen:

when people were talking about being on the course when they announced Katrina's win,   saying, oh, I think I think the people actually heard that in Europe.  

[01:09:13] Scott Belchak:

Well, I think they actually heard I think they actually heard that in traveled, you know. So So, I mean, I was watching these things pretty closely being being a native Utah and living in Minnesota   and watching you guys all do this. And I watched every single   tournament round. And and and I remember the first time I I I watched you do the intros, I was like,   why did they put this retard?   I thought on the coverage. I was like It's like they let an artist in?   One of us.   One of us. Sure what. Yeah.  

[01:09:45] Rob Bullen:

You know what you know what the best the best part is is is I have a daughter that works with autistic children, and she's getting a master's degree to be a clinician for, you know, kids with autism.   And then,   somebody said the other day, you know, she probably gets lots of practice dealing with her autistic dad.  

[01:10:05] Dustin Hanson:

You know?  

[01:10:07] Rob Bullen:

And and it's funny that you mentioned that too because, like,   one of the companies,   I worked for was,   in management. They, they do a funny thing. They put together reels of the Rob Bolin   and intros.   And,   the best one is the, I believe it's the twenty nineteen Utah open where I've got the championship brand. I've got the belt and I've got it upside down.   Pulling the championship belt, like,   upside down, fumbling over my words. But,   yeah. No. I I I I try I try hard.   This year at US women's, I announced a few of the champions, and then I was like, you know what? I'm gonna let   I'm gonna let somebody else do this.  

I've done this enough, and these   nice little girls deserve,   you know, somebody that will pronounce their names better and not go get too excited.   So,   but yeah.   I'll never,   you know, as probably none of us will. I'll never forget twenty twenty one worlds, and   I'm not sure in our lifetime we'll see,   a finish  

[01:11:15] Scott Belchak:

like it. I don't think We'll probably get close. We'll probably get close. I think you're probably right.  

[01:11:20] Dustin Hanson:

Interestingly, 2019 almost finished the same way with Ricky almost throwing in   at Illinois at Peoria.  

[01:11:29] Scott Belchak:

I can't think of the name of the course  

[01:11:33] Rob Bullen:

where he had a Lake Hurrica. There you go. Thank you.  

[01:11:36] Dustin Hanson:

Where if if he throws in there and he skipped it up and it went chain high right by it, it would have been   wild for Macbeth to   to lose   at Lake Eureka   and then again  

[01:11:48] Sean Kelley:

technically two years ago. There would have been a whole change of events. Yeah. Everything The whole shot would have never happened. Yeah. That's true. Well  

[01:11:55] Rob Bullen:

yeah. And and the thing is the thing is though too, you never   you you didn't know   about the play   the playoff could have gone the playoff could've gone either direction, but Conrad had that thing dialed Yeah. All week. Just   knew exactly where he was gonna put it and   put it in the same pot spot every time.  

[01:12:17] Sean Kelley:

And then the envy blew up.  

[01:12:20] Rob Bullen:

Oh,   one final funny story.   So,   my brother-in-law helped me design the trophies for,   twenty twenty one worlds, the train bells. Right?   And so   as   Conrad's getting   footage on ESPN,   there's the train bell, him holding the bell from that logo. Does anybody remember what   anything different about the train bell that's not on the stamp, the MVP stamp of the disc. Oh, no. There is something different.   Mm-mm. With the women's   earlier in the day, the bell was making a shit ton of noise as we were hauling it around the green and and stuff.   So we   shoved   that paper, the packing the tan packing paper,   shoved it up into the bell for MPO, especially if we had to cart that thing around for the playoff. Right? Mhmm. So   we didn't take damn paper out. So Conrad's holding this trophy up, and there's this janky ass paper   sticking at him. And now that you I've told you, you will see it. You will never unsee it. Less than that too because because him raising it up should've been like gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong gong. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It was silent as it was silent. It really sucked. So I I I   I blew it. I didn't take the damn paper out of the out of the   out of the trophy. But,  

[01:13:45] Dustin Hanson:

those were called trophies. Right? Yeah. Super awesome. They're awesome. Yeah. And, like, the stamp that went along with it, all of it's fantastic. Yeah. Grip Grip six. Represented well. Yeah. Grip Grip six was awesome. We definitely so we definitely need to figure out  

[01:13:58] Scott Belchak:

a lot of trophies for for for US women's, which is which is a pretty good segue into US women's.   And it feels like at this at at this point, we're gonna have to invite you back on to have a conversation about about US women's because there's just so much to talk about when it comes to to worlds and stuff, but,   let's maybe let's let's maybe talk about it for for five or six minutes. Yeah. Yeah. So,  

[01:14:23] Rob Bullen:

Elevate Utah, Team Thunderposts,   two Utah nonprofits are manning together, which I think is awesome,   to put together US women's. And,   we're going to be  

[01:14:36] Scott Belchak:

utilizing four courses. We're we're manning and womaning.   Okay. We're personing. We're personing. Personing? Yes. That means I can go.  

[01:14:46] Dustin Hanson:

Kind of a gray area there. As long as I buy a ticket to spectate. Is that right?  

[01:14:53] Rob Bullen:

Yeah. So,   right now, the the courses are Brighton,   Creekside,   Roots, and   Dragonfly.   Yep. And there could be there could be, a change to that within a few weeks when the PDG the PDGA is coming out   in a few weeks for their site visit. And so   that'll be exciting. Huge shout out to Brighton. Huge shout out to Chaz Critchfield.   That course has grown on me   this year so so much.   So many things have come together   with Brighton. It's going to be   really unique for a major.   There has not been a major where people have rode a chairlift to the whole one. So   that'll be exciting. It'll pose some challenges too.  

And,   it's gonna be very spectator friendly. That's what's I think that's the most exciting thing for me is to see,   you know, a thousand people on that mountain  

[01:15:52] Dustin Hanson:

watching disc golf. There's a lot of good spots up there. So many. Yeah. And not just to watch disc golf. You know? It's it's such a beautiful property just to look across the Met, see the mountains and everything. It's beautiful. Mhmm. Right.  

[01:16:04] Rob Bullen:

And I I always thought, like, Solitude was the creme de la creme of mountain courses,  

[01:16:11] Scott Belchak:

and this one's better. Brian's better. He's not even in competition. Way. I agree. Agree. Yeah. I mean, the Brighton's way better. The only way it's not better is is the the village at the bottom is and and Hole 18 at Solitude is a much better finishing hole,   and then having the the village at the bottom with the restaurants and stuff like that. I think that that's like, if you could just pick up a whole 18 and and the village at Solitude and put it at at Brighton Mhmm. It would be  

[01:16:38] Sean Kelley:

out of this world. I mean, I think I think Brighton,   at this point, with its farmers markets on the weekend and then the the beer and food on the deck. Like Yeah. It's almost more disco. It's almost it's almost more of an like, a an after like,   a unplanned after party   after year round. Mhmm. So, like, yeah, it's got the village, like, walking through the streets, but like there's a pizza place and one other place that's open. Yeah. Other than that, like, there's nothing else to do in that village. Well, there's there's there's rooms to stay in. Like like just just Sure. Just imagine if the Disc Golf Pro Tour or or a major were to come in into town and take over all of Solitude's,  

[01:17:13] Scott Belchak:

like, lodging for the weekend or for the week. Which it probably will. It would be yeah. It probably will anyways. Right?   But yeah. So so so we're currently going through   many, many logistical hurdles with many, many different things. We're talking to municipalities and and organizing,   the the venues. We're we're trying to figure out, transportation. We're working with getting hotels lined up. There's there's so many things that go into a major. And and   if if you're interested in helping,   please go to teamthunderpost.0rg/2025uswdgc.   We've got a volunteer,   sign up sheet there. We will be giving out, jobs in order of people   who sign up on that.  

I've had a few people who were just like, hey, save me save me an awesome job. Give me an awesome job. I said, well, where are you on the volunteer list? Because last time I checked, you weren't on it.   So if you want an awesome job, you you need to sign up for it. Yeah. Because we're not I have that link to the just gonna give you this because you're cool. Right? We're gonna give this to you because you signed up and you wanted to help. So,   like I always say, if you wanna be involved, you need to involve yourself.  

[01:18:24] Rob Bullen:

Well and that's that's how us as guys in disc golf, that's how we can show we support the women. Let's get out. Let's volunteer.   Let's   make this an awesome event. We're gonna need a lot of volunteers. We're gonna need a lot of help. We're gonna   have some opportunities to raise funds. And I wanna shout out Elevate Utah, and I wanna shout out the leagues. And I wanna shout out, in particular,   Britton Best. And who else? Who are our big who are our big contributors from the league to US women's? Gosh. We've got we've we've got so many.  

[01:18:58] Scott Belchak:

The guy who won the Super Ace, Matt, he donated,   like, $600 of the Super Ace to it.   So we've got we've got first, second, and third. I think it's it's it's it's Matt, it's Britton, and I think Blandon Adams is in there too.   All these guys who've had their their slider set to 30% or whatever that have just been out there every week just competing with the intent of of just donating it to US Women's. And you know what? We only have a thousand dollars left of our goal of $10,   and that's been raised by simply everybody just playing in in leagues and enjoying disc golf. And, you know, we we take a dollar from every registration and and put it into it. And once US women's comes and goes, we'll still be taking a dollar of your of your of your entry fees and putting it towards   something,   whether it's it's the next big tournament that comes or it's a yearly project that we have in the works for one of our courses or or if it just goes into the general course contribution fund of the course you're playing at.  

Yeah, these leagues have been great. Yeah. They've been great. Yeah. I can't I can't express  

[01:20:05] Rob Bullen:

my thanks and appreciation   to everything that everybody has done. It's it's gonna be   July 16 through nineteenth,   and it's gonna be it's gonna be hot. It's gonna be   and it's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be really fun to see the wildflowers in   bloom. And Scott's right. We gotta come up with some epic trophies.   So I'm trying to hatch some ideas in my head of what what that's gonna look like. Yeah. I would avoid lighthouses, though. Lighthouses are not gonna be it. Okay. Oh, just in in case you're wondering Melba Dan is either. You you have personally met   someone who handed out 11   lighthouse trophies   at US Women's this year.  

I I personally believe I handled more lighthouses   than any of their of the staffers at the tournament this year. So,  

[01:20:56] Dustin Hanson:

yes. I never seen you smile so big. It was just like  

[01:21:00] Scott Belchak:

you gonna put that on a resume? Here you go, baby. No. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm not.  

[01:21:06] Dustin Hanson:

I'm a handler of lighthouses of all shapes. I said I was willing to volunteer and they went colors. No. We we have a job for you. Yep.  

[01:21:14] Scott Belchak:

Take this lighthouse and give it to that 12 year old girl.   So  

[01:21:20] Rob Bullen:

so what's funny is is I I was with the APOLL week, and then for the last day, I get to go be with the CPOLL   to help,   with those 11 divisions finishing. And then also, like, one thing we're gonna make sure is totally stressed at twenty twenty six US women's. It is about the women   participating   and not   about daddy caddies, boyfriend caddies, husband caddies.   Like,   yeah. It's gonna be about the ladies. And so, I've got something really fun planned for opening ceremonies   with the yes women.  

[01:21:58] Nick Jennings:

Yeah. It it is gonna be quite the event.  

[01:22:01] Scott Belchak:

There's a lot of work going into it, like Scott was saying. And and Rob, thank you very much for your input today.  

[01:22:07] Nick Jennings:

As we wrap up here, maybe just let's quickly go around. Since we've talked about the fort today, one of the things we've kinda done on a lot of the courses is go around and share our favorite hole at whatever course we're talking about. So, Rob, why don't you go ahead and start? What is your favorite hole at the fort?  

[01:22:22] Rob Bullen:

I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and go with   one that I play horribly, and that's Hole 14 while the big tree was still there.   That hole that hole is a a killer from Wong. It's a great hole. Is that the double mando one?   No. No.   You throw up the road. It would have formed the creek.   Okay.   You have the creek to navigate, and then you have to turn the corner and go back in the in the corner. Back over the creek, like, for the long The b tree. Oh, okay. Watch it. 15 is the b tree. Yeah.   14,  

[01:22:57] Dustin Hanson:

long par four. Okay. I've only played there once. So We gotta get you up there. I know. I wanna go back up. Breeze and the b hats gotta go up. Actually, you and I played that. I Yeah. We played through a big flex forehand there and I think saved par. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Go ahead, Rob. No. No. It's just four 14. I I always when we designed it, I was like, wow. This is this is gonna be a hard hole. This is gonna be a really good hole. That whole back nine is so great. Fourteen's right in the middle of it. Yeah. It's great.  

[01:23:25] Nick Jennings:

Yeah. Scott, what about you? Mine's hole one,  

[01:23:29] Scott Belchak:

for a number of reasons. One, I think it's a it's a great opening hole.   I love throwing into the sand, which is cool. You know? And the the river's right there.   But mainly, it's because that's where I met Mark Kohut.   The the sledge end is is right there. And and I was I was teeing off with my buddy Creech. We were there on, like, a Tuesday at, like, 09:30 in the morning. We were sloughing work. And   we we had the whole place to ourselves, and we were just so excited to spend the day the day together just just throwing disc.   And then this guy with freaking three kids shows up Barefoot. And and he's like he's like, hey. Do you guys mind if we play with you? And I'm just like, mom, I mean, you have three kids. I wanna play   with   you. But I but, you know, both, you know, both Creech and I looked at looked at each other and we're like, oh, really? Are   are are we really gonna gonna play with these three kids?  

And we said we said, yeah. You know, let's do it. But we looked at each other, and we're just like, no. Really? We're doing this. And then sure sure enough,   Peyton and   and and and Kylie get their tee shots off. We're like, oh, okay. This is gonna be just fine. Yeah. And then we went out to out out to to dinner afterwards, and we went   lunch at Roosters and had a few beers. And it was   we we we actually rolled in into Roosters to to go have a drink. And   Mark from from the Midwest gets out of his car with his with his kids. And we go in there and he gets turned away at the door because you can't bring kids into a bar.   Right? So he actually went home, and we actually didn't have lunch. But Hole One's my favorite.  



[01:25:03] Nick Jennings:

Awesome. What about you, Sean?  

[01:25:04] Sean Kelley:

I'm gonna say Hole 16.   Only because   I wanna say it was it was the year after worlds.   My buddy Pat and my buddy Jim   had made their way out to Utah,   and then   they were like, we wanna go play the fort   just because of worlds. And so we're like, alright. Great. Like, let's go I'll take you up there. Let's go play the fort. And so while we were playing we were playing the whole round, and   I I wanna say it was it was hole 11 or 12.   I I found,   just a random disc in the woods, and it was a it was a West Side boatman.   And so I picked it up, threw it on my desk, and I was just gonna turn it in. And so we ended up,   playing around, went up to 16.  

And   Pat threw, went in the water. Jim threw, went in the water.   And then I was like, okay. Oh my god. Give me that boatman. Like, what disc I found. And so I ended up   throwing it  

[01:26:04] Scott Belchak:

ace tall 16. What? And so on a disc that wasn't mine. And and it was full weight probably.   Yeah. It was  

[01:26:12] Sean Kelley:

That's gotta be weird. And so got fired. And so it was kinda like a it was a it was just like a big exciting moment of, like, you know, three of my buddies from, like, these coasts, like, all of us, us, like, we were playing the fort. And then we all signed the disc, and then we turned it in. And I ended up, like, texting the guy being like, hey. Like, blah blah. Find your disc. I used to hold 16. We all signed it. It's at the pro shop. And so we left it for I don't know. I've never heard from the guy or whatever ever again.   But,   yeah, that was kinda that was kinda, like that's it. That was just a little bit of a highlight of playing the fort. And then, yeah, then we all went and we you know, the the three of us tried emptied our bags, tried to throw the holy shot. And then   but yeah. But I'd say that was kind of my most memorable moment at the fort there. That's  

[01:27:01] Dustin Hanson:

fairly memorable. Yeah. That's pretty cool. That's pretty good. Yeah. Dustin, what about you? You're you're the local up there. Hole 12. I really like it. Short par four. I've eagled it in tournament play before. That's   that's about it. The rest of the course is amazing. There's not a hole that I don't like. Off the fence?   Eagled it off the fence? No. I just threw it I threw it like a forehand flip up all the way down there and had, like, a 20 footer.  

[01:27:24] Sean Kelley:

When did you play the fort  

[01:27:25] Scott Belchak:

that time? What do you mean? Which parking spot? Which parking spot? Oh, I was playing I was playing. Did you back in? Did you back in or did you? He he always starts Yeah. He always starts at the North Fork. I wanna have fun.   I always struggle playing there. I might as well have some fun while I'm there. Alright. He's he's part of his warm up routine. He's gotta loosen up a little bit. Attaboy.  

[01:27:45] Nick Jennings:

Attaboy. Oh, man. I I think mine has to be I think it's Hole 15,   right before you go up onto the hill. Beachy.   The beachy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was one of the I think I only birdied two holes   that day that we played. You parked that one. I parked that one. Like, crazy, like, flip up with a river. Like, flip up to turn it. Like, it was just, like, perfect. Mhmm. And then I think I had kind of a crazy putt,   like a straddle, like, dad putt type of thing around around the corner. Both on the right. Yeah. Yeah. And you you had a look, and I had nothing. So Yeah. And it was just, like, the coolest feeling to to birdie that hole on a I I had never really played on a course.   Okay. I take that back. I played at Maple Hill, one time, but not on the the Diamond Way Out. But that was the first time I'd really played on a a pro tour type of course or, like, a worlds type of course.  



[01:28:37] Dustin Hanson:

And to birdie that, like, that just it made my day. Yeah. It was so much fun. Well, especially if you go back and watch coverage and be like, yeah. All these other guys were needed too. I'm as good as them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And everybody else could suck it. That's right.  

[01:28:51] Nick Jennings:

No. Well, Rob, thank you very much for joining us tonight. This has been an awesome conversation about the fort and about your kinda your history with with disc golf in general.   And a little preview maybe of a future show Absolutely. Come on talk about USW DGC.   I know there's tons more we could talk about. Yeah. I bet once we get more details on on the tournament coming up next year, then we'll have him back on. That'd be a good time for it. For sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Alright. Thanks, everyone. Appreciate the time. Thanks a lot. Rob. Well, this has been another episode of the Elevate Utah Disc Golf Podcast.   Thank you for tuning in, and we'll see you out there.  



[01:29:26] Sean Kelley:

Cheers.